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Q: Can we reward upvotes for comments?

user1108Users have the ability to upvote comments, as well as answers. Upvotes for answers give an increase to reputation. Upvotes for comments give you nothing. Can we give rep changes for comment votes?

 
11:07 AM
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Q: Can we reward upvotes for comments?

user1108Users have the ability to upvote comments, as well as answers. Upvotes for answers give an increase to reputation. Upvotes for comments give you nothing. Can we give rep changes for comment votes?

Can a mod lock that one before more answers come in? It's about a core network feature so there's very little point in discussing it on Workplace as nothing can be done about it here.
Though one the answers actually come from a mod... :)
 
 
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12:36 PM
Welcome to the workplace Cecilia. As written your question title ("do I qualify?") is off-topic on this site since it's too specific to your situation and, as you suspect, this probably differs from employer to employer. Would you mind rephrasing your question to something more generic? I'd suggest some variation of "Will employers accept students on academic leave or with deferred admission for student internships?" As long as it's worded properly I think your core question is both topical and useful for this site. — Lilienthal 28 secs ago
I think that with some edits this could be on-topic here but it probably still risks closing as company-specific. Any thoughts?
 
Of the three 'questions' -> 1 is certainly valid (do they have a legal obligation). I'm not aware of any such laws (although I suppose it could occur for a case with grants [must provide X intern spots]). 2 - Company specific, 3 - Company specific. Enderland's answer basically generalizes as to where the requirements might/not apply and what pitfalls might occur based on the situation
 
1:02 PM
I think the general question "can I get an intership intended for a student if I'm not currently enrolled in a program [but was and will be]?" has merit.
Answer would be something like "yes, for most companies since you could still be considered a student." along with the caveat that "specific company policies might require applicants to be enrolled (as you are) or actively taking courses (which you're not). In the absence of a specific policy the decision would be at the hiring manager or HR's discretion"
In this case the answer is that it's company specific, not that we can't answer because it depends on company-specific policies that we don't know. But we can only answer like that if the question is expanded to the general case.
As limiting it to the OP makes it off-topic.
 
Do we want to make a distinction for it between 'matriculated but not enrolled' [deferred] and 'not currently pursuing further education but intending to in the future'?
 
Yeah that's another complication. Ideally, answers would indeed separate that case out and basically divide people into "qualifies as students" versus "doesn't qualify as students"
But then, realistically, it might be closed as primarily opinion-based, given the lack of any legislation or clear interpretation of student status.
 
1:19 PM
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Q: How to go on interviews while in resignation period from outsourcing firm, without offending the manager where I'm outsourced?

Jack D. RipperI only had my job last month and resigned today due to not liking my job. I submitted my resignation to my hr managers (im contractual) and Im going to leave the company where I was deployed on for good after 3 weeks from now. Now I have pending and upcoming interviews that I am expecting this we...

I just cast the last reopen vote here (well there were 3 already), maybe folks want to upvote it?
 
It's a valid question (and a bad situation if the firm isn't advising the client).
 
"Guess who's back, back again?"
[Shady's back? :)]
 
@JonathanLeech-Pepin yeah that gets really messy if the contracting firm isn't responsible...
 
Hmm, so he's resigned with his actual employer but the client that he's contracting for doesn't know he's leaving?
That does make it an interesting question, but I'm not upvoting that until it's been substantially edited and I don't have the time to tackle that right now.
But I'll reverse my downvote at least. :)
 
1:47 PM
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Q: Should I tell the client that I am resigning, if my consulting company isn't doing it?

Masked ManI agree with this answer about not telling the client directly about your resignation from a consulting company. However, I am now facing a peculiar situation related to this. I work for a consulting company A, and have been deputed to work for their client company B. I offered my resignation t...

That question, with OP's clarification brings back some pleasant memories. ;)
The difference being that I already had a couple of other jobs lined up before I resigned.
 
Closest I ever was to that was had a coworker there on friday, and then on monday they were gone, no goodbye, even our manager had no clue until she contacted his firm
 
2:33 PM
@komali_2 I asked my junior colleagues I work with (who are contract employees in India). They indicated that in many cases, if a junior makes a meaningful mistake infront of a client they are either warned or lose their job. Your suggestions might be a good way to make the client happy, but are not advisable for the employee/team making the mistake.. — enderland ♦ 4 mins ago
 
Wait, so the question was closed, edited, reopened only for it to now presumably be closed again as a duplicate of that? Unfortunate.
 
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A: "Advice on what to do" close reason is over-broad

user52889My proposal: It is not practical for us to answer a question that depends so heavily on your own abilities, preferences or circumstances. Consider instead asking a factual question that will help you make your own choices, and that can be answered without detailed knowledge of your personal s...

consider some votes on this answer. I think its perfect
 
@Chad I already upvoted it, I really like that wording
 
@enderland yeah that about fits my experience with India.
I remember being on-site at our Mumbai office one time where one of the cleaning staff was blocking a hallway when she was grabbing supplies from a closet. I politely asked her if I could pass and she nearly fell over herself apologising with a look of sheer panic on her face. I can only imagine that she feared for her job after inconveniencing the Important Foreigner (who was not in the least bit important I should add).
 
@Lilienthal Yeah
 
2:40 PM
We had an indian firm handling our cleaning services at one company and they would wait until i left which was often after 8 or 9 at night to clean my office despite my telling them they were welcome to come in and do their duties while I was working since I often had to work late.
As an aside the most thankless job in the world is that of help desk manager
 
Haha yeah. that's probably true, though any retail customer facing jobs pretty much are awful too (for the same reasons)
 
I'd say that managing a help desk that's adequately staffed and budgeted and can respond to all requests in a reasonable amount of time could be very fulfilling but you'd be hard-pressed to find many of them. :)
 
2:57 PM
@Chad I'd say being on-site HelpDesk (multiple sites with customers + offsite support) with no on-site IT management is almost as bad (since you end up an 'escalation point', but have no authority)
 
There is no position on Help desk that is pleasant, or that would not be in violation of cruel and unusual punishment provision of the constitution if we tried to force prisoners to do it as punishment.
 
I was a student intern at an internal help desk for 4 or 5 years and had a great time, it certainly beats filing invoices all day. I imagine that external customer support would be its own special form of hell though, especially if you're not allowed to make fun of any idiots that call in.
 
our internal help desk is awful, tier 3 or whatever the first line is...
 
Tier 1 would be first-line surely? :)
unless you're using a reverse scale
 
yeah I don't remembrer
 
3:09 PM
Technical support (often shortened to tech support) refers to a plethora of services by which enterprises provide assistance to users of technology products such as mobile phones, televisions, computers, software products or other electronic or mechanical goods. In general, technical support services attempt to help the user solve specific problems with a product rather than providing training, customization, or other support services. Most companies offer technical support for the products they sell, either freely available or for a fee. Technical support may be delivered over by e-mail, live...
Huh, so chat is smart enough to reproduce the article but not the section I actually linked.
 
We probably use the helpdesk as Tier 1 then
 
For us it's: On-Site is ~tier 2..n: Hands & Feet Support + Special Projects + Answer the phone/handle on-call. Either fix it or escalate to server/telecom/dev/etc
Tier 1: Offsite (handle 'simple' [things that do not require hands-on/can have a scripted process mostly] issues + route tickets)
 
Ever since I took my new position I've been able to bypass them entirely by creating tickets directly to the responsible teams, so that's been nice :P
 
I'm in the very comfortable position of being T3 support when I'm not on-project. Saying "I'm sorry, I can't do anything without a ticket number" is one of the perks of my job, along with kicking issues created directly on the third-line back down to first. :)
 
@Lilienthal we have support teams too who are supposed to handle most things
that's one of the things I was curious about when I interviewed for this, was how the support process worked
 
3:22 PM
Hmm, is there actually any way to edit a question without putting it in the reopen queue? I've added "DO NOT REOPEN" to the edit comments before but I'm not even sure if those show up there. :)
 
3:38 PM
@Lilienthal I don't think so
 
4:28 PM
@Lilienthal just FYI, it's ok to ask questions (or make feature requests) about SE-wide behavior. The usual place to ask those is Meta.SE, but SE has said that people can also ask them on per-site metas, so either is fine. They'll get more attention on Meta.SE, but SE does check in on the per-site metas from time to time.
 
 
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6:42 PM
@MonicaCellio Yeah, fair, but that topic has been done to death over on the proper site already that it seemed silly to keep the question open.
 
7:04 PM
The current project I'm working on involves a system we set up to allow the client to write copy directly into the program using XML. - Am I the only one who reads that and thinks that is the absolute worst Idea I have ever heard.
 
@Chad no, that sort of thing is common if you have multiple language support
 
@Chad If they mean "The user updates the XML directly to update the application"... then yes. If they mean "XML backend is updated through an interface by the client", then it's not horrible
 
Am I reading that wrong or does that mean allow the client to change the logic of the program using xml?
ok nm
 
Write Copy sounds more like a journalism-ish phrase. So updating the appearance/content, not the infrastructure and logic
 
Well into the program using XML scared me
especially when the op says they can edit it directly and see the changes live on the build.
 
7:10 PM
My guess is that's the text displayed in the application
 
No build needed its a content change not a program change
I have been doing this too long I guess
 
The "I would be fine doing it, but the thought of random user doing it is terrifying" effect?
 
The thought of the mess in 2 weeks after they tried fixing their fix of their fix of their screwup
 
My previous app was a stupid simple CRUD app with a database front end linnked to SQL server, the team I built it for was demanding access to the tables directly... I resisted so much lol. eventually I gave it to them saying, "this is a way to blow everything up, do you understand?" :P
 
We deleted the entire processing subrourtine because we never use it
Ohh and we didnt like the way the user management was set up but now we cant edit anything and our users cant see the reports
We need that fixed for monday morning please
 
7:18 PM
Yeah. I have been very hardcore in getting them to take ownership of it
since they kept requesting me to do work on it months after I left
and, in a very unprofessional way to boot
 
No, they need it fixed last monday, but only reported it on Friday. Because of course you should have had system checks in place to validate their changes and know the moment it went wrong
 
7:35 PM
@TomSterkenburg no you don't, if you fully understood you'd know exactly why they are submitting them as bugs - you don't, which makes it totally honest to try to understand. If you want to be a bit more, "Help me understand why these are filed as bugs - it looks like simple text changes and not a bug, I'm trying to figure out how to act on these" feel free. But the reality is you don't fully understand what's going on or why and trying to learn what that is would be good :) — enderland ♦ 9 mins ago
I think that most workplace questions are more, "how can I interact with people better" than anything else
 
 
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8:44 PM
@Lilienthal you might want to follow this: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/90930/sap
 
@enderland Haha
Follower number two, yay.
 
@Lilienthal I want SAP to have a better Q/A site as their forums are terribad
 
They really are god-awful aren't they?
 
@Lilienthal Yeah, they are, the Q/A model would be really, really, REALLY good for this
 
The community is bad enough (REWARD POINTS IF HELPFUL) but they're a technical nightmare as well.
If you open multiple pages at the same time from google into multiple tabs.
They'll usually all load the same page... :)
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Q: SAP Technologies

Joe TarasI propose to create a site about all technologies and software of SAP AG enterprise. There's a lot of consultants need an help to customize these environments.

Proposal was deleted apparently.
 
8:48 PM
@Lilienthal they get auto deleted if you don't get 3 followers in 3 days
or something, I can't figure out what it is now
that guy was active on SO today, maybe he'll commit too :P
@Lilienthal I dont think enough users on SO will see that unfortunately :(
 
9:06 PM
@enderland I'm half tempted to comment a link to it on my questions on SO.
 
@Lilienthal yeah, me too, I think this could be a hugely useful site
 
Also, since we're linking Area51s, and what with you being a good ol' proud Midwest American @enderland, you should clearly follow The Armory
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The Armory

Proposed Q&A site for proposed Q&A site for shooting sports and weapons, including but not limited to guns, knives, and other arms; and ranging from theory and design to practical tactics, legal questions, and consumer considerations.

Currently in definition.

 
@Lilienthal Hahah
 
It's still baffling to me how stuff like weird CRM software and Skeptics got launched while this is in its 3d or 4th proposal.
 
It needs more people to commit I guess
 
9:13 PM
That's the crux of it I'd say.
You'd figure there'd be more gun nuts on the SE network :)
 
 
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11:02 PM
Chat for this site would probably be the best place to get meaningful responses to this - I'm concerned this doesn't really fit into "navigating the workplace" and is a bit more, "how can I do my job?" territory. See chat here as you might have better luck. — enderland ♦ 1 min ago
this seems a bit off topic but i'm having a hard time figuring out why
welcome @TomSterkenburg :)
 
Haha! Got my +1 rep just in time. I was worried I'd be stuck at +199 because of a downvote earlier. :)
 
Thank's enderland :)
Well, if that guy (is that you?) is looking for ways to teach programming, this list is pretty good if you can deal with the voice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYrZBK4NVZw&list=PL632BB8C3F7E776BA
Processing is how I understood Object Oriented Programming years after I had actually "learned" it lol
 
:)
 
Hello Monoandale. I notice you've posted similar questions before (1, 2) with both ending up being closed. I'm afraid I again don't really see an answerable question here. This site's Q&A format isn't suited to giving you fully personalised advice that won't be useful to others and we don't know enough about the particulars to really give meaningful advice. Consider asking for input in chat where we're not so strict on topicality. — Lilienthal 26 secs ago
Invited another guy to chat as he keeps asking the same question but I'll be signing off soon in case he joins.
 
11:22 PM
hey guys, first time using chat, so if I do something wrong, please let me know... I am the guy from the teaching programming question and I would like to clarify what is this about
 
@Lope seems like you're doing right, though I will say that the mysteries and depths of chat are... still not all known to me
 
I don't want to teach the people programming, I just want to show people from outside of the field what is it about, what are common pitfalls, what is easy and what is hard... something like "why is the programmer looking at me weird when I ask him to do XY 101"
 
@Lope so more of a "high level view of what programming is all about" and a bit more of the "here's the magic I am able to do" side of things?
 
yea, something like that
 
So I wouldn't approach it from algorithms
since 99% of marketing people won't care and/or need to know that
do you create LOB software or customer software?
 
11:28 PM
sorry, LOB? I am not familiar with the term
 
line of business
basically boring yet really valuable apps for internal customers
 
ah, right, yea mostly LOB
 
perfect, that's even easier then
because they can relate a lot better to something they use
also @TomSterkenburg I'm curious if you guys are using XML because of languages, I was going to ask on your question but it's a completely pointless detail from the purpose of the question other than my curiousity :)
@Lope so if I was in your situation, what I'd try to do is talk about some basic concepts
but the basic concepts are more like:
1) what is a database (like a really useful excel spreadsheet)
2) what is programming in general?
I find that the idea of a database, which is one of the main reasons programming can be awesome, is something most people do not get at all
beacuse people are used to thinking in document forms
that paradigm causes them to not understand the sort of things you can do with programming
 
that's good idea... I already tried to explain DB to some other people (unrelated) and they were rather surprised that such thing exists, how it and how it realtes to other thing they know about
 
you might try saying something like, "imagine a 3D spreadsheet" for how to explain it, too
Once people get that, they can understand why a lot of LOB types of things can be created (and why most are pretty basic tbh)
 
11:35 PM
not sure 3 is enough :) but yeah
 
My guess is that most of your coworkers understand you can automate tedious tasks, but you might explain that with programming you can automate nearly anything if you put enough time into it
if you can explain how to do something in enough detail, you can automate it (nearly all the time, if you have enough money/time)
@Lope the main reason that people have a hard time understanding what development can do is they think in terms of their existing tools
if they are familiar with say Excel, everything they think you can do with a program is based on the program acting like Excel
(I'm using Excel just because it runs most companies, but you can pick whatever tool people use)
 
to be honest, I am not really sure what they are after... they just expressed interest in my field and I would love to show them the wonders it entails. I am aware that there is limit to what I can do
my goal is to show them something that could theoretically help them in their work, even if it means just having a bit of patience when waiting for new feature that they asked for being implemented :)
 
One thing that you might try too is just brainstorming what their problems are and throwing out ideas for how to resolve them with some sort of application
As a person with exposure to progrmaming it's trivial to brainstorm application solutions to nearly every problem (the trick is finding time to do them ;)
 
hmm, having discussion instead of lecture sounds like a really good idea... I can have them ask them questions and I would just explain stuff based on that... that sounds great
 
also some people might just go "it's magic" and not be able to or have interest in going further
 
11:42 PM
that goes for anyone if you go deep enough :)
 
lol true
 

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