wtf is this? it seems every recepie for the dam macerator in gregtech requires items that you need the macerator to make.

@Ender like what?

Disregard

I see flint, diamond circuit and some machine casing

@Ender Checking, seems it's 4 flint + 3 electronic circuits (copper, rubber, refined iron, redstone) + 1 machine block (refined iron) + diamond grinder, however you make the last one.

@Ender Greg does that, but there is always some way to do it, it might require a couple more machines though...

Oh, looks like you can use Wolframium Grinder instead, which is just tungsten and steel.

Depending on mods and set-up, steel can be equivalent to refined iron.

Greg considers maceration and ore doubling mid-game, while most people rush to it... If you want cheaper (and better honestly) ore doubling, go for the TE Pulverizer. It has a chance of creating a bonus dust every time it processes an ore

for example, 10 copper ore should give you (on average) 20 copper dust and 1 gold dust

the only reason I built a macerator (well, two cause I'm an idiot) on this playthrough is because I needed it for the rotary macerator, which is just so much quicker. I only use it for non-ore things though ^_^

Pulveriser is strange though. For one, it has its own "pulver" items as results instead of the Forge-standard "dusts", which means for example Metallurgy doesn't work so well with it.

I basically only use it for automatic machine set-ups to get sand from cobble, and to grind iron for invar.

hey crafting on the infusion altar does not dump all the thing in the crucible anymore?

nvm

Why do frames don't stack!!

Because who needs more than 3 at a time =p

Note: Needs sarcasm tag =p

@KevinvanderVelden thaumcrafting in batch?

Jeah, but for vanilla forestry you cant use more than 3 frames in a apiary and 0 in an alveary so..

so what?

wasn't meat that did not stacked back in alpha?

Possibly

But the idea in forestry is to go for an alveary, which is why you cant automate frames in apiarys

So not making them stack helps with that

hm

@kevin 4 MC for 4 thermal is not enough

The correct ratio is between 3 and 4 thermals

You mean my magma creation thingy?

yep

It's also powerconverted to IC2 energy for my matter fabricator

MC for magma crucible ofc

And there's another 32 outside my base :)

So I have 8 MC and 96 magmatic engines

4:3 fills the tank. 1:1 keeps it on low level

And 12:1 is insane and gives me plenty of IC2 :)

12:1?

96 magmatic engines / 8 magma crucibles

the ratio I'm looking at is Crucible:Thermal

8 engine for 1 crucible will stay fixed

I'm assuming with thermal you mean the engines using the lava right?

Each crucible consumes 30MJ/t, each engine creates 4MJ/t, you need about 8 engines per crucible

I have 12 engines per crucible

(And a squeezer because lava bees :) )

no the thermal uses the excess lava

Aah, I switched that, I think I've removed my thermal generators?

8 engines per crucible is enough to keep them running and produce excess

I've got a gate hooked up to my magma crucibles which turns off the energy converter when the MC isn't full

well technically 1 for 1 is enough but slower

Technically 1 for any number of MCs but yeah =p

Current setup is 8:1 Magmatic/Magma crucibles by default, and 12:1 magmatic/magma when I have excess lava, and any excess MJ/t is send to a powerconverter if my magma crucibles have a full battery

So no thermal generators, and this produces MUCH more IC energy

hm

As in, easy constant HV =p

I should check this

And the setup is much easier because I dont need to turn off my engines when the crucibles are full

So I need 1 energy conduit and 2 liquiducts per 4 engines

(Or 2/1 if I want but liquiducts are cheaper =p)

I starred a post so I can easily check this part of the chat again this evening :)

/me is lazy.

search is too much work :)

Hehe ^^

I'll probably change the system a bit today if I dont lag out again =p, I may even change it into an ME system :o

A tiny system seperate from my main for insane power gen =p

And by insane I mean its overunity via complex chain reactions :)

On our private server we have 1 magma crucible, and it is powered by a redstone engine :p It does take a LOOOONG while to produce anything at all, I'm looking for a way to make it create its own energy :)

Hehe

Is there any risk for things exploding with too much energy with the magma crucible/magmatic engine thing?

Not with conduits :D

What is this conduit magic you speak of? :p

My setup is a few igneous extruders => cobblestone -> assembly table with alkahest => redstone -> fabricator with tome of alkahest => netherrack -> magmacrucibles => lava -> magmatic engines => FREE ENERGY :D

They can at most fill up and stop working.

Energy Conduit

And magmatic engines dont blow up anyway, they just shut down and need to be hit with a wrench

I typically go solar power - electric generator for free "backup" energy (drop in a few MFEs and such to store the power), or Igneous Extruders -> Recyclers -> Generators for a compact closed loop.

Replace the extruder with any other automated free cobble generator when it's not available.

Neat thing about my setup is that it's easily expandable and kinda cheap

I'm using mindcrack and not ultimate pack, so no idea what is exactly available, I'll have to look it all up this evening.

And it's currently producing some 384MJ/t, of which 240 is being used to keep the system running. So 124MJ/t free energy :D

And more if you have other methods of producing lava that are cheaper but not infinite, just pipe that into the same tank and it'll automatically manage itself :D

are you using the cobble into redstone into netherack into lava method?

Jup

nice. How many diamonds did that set you back to set up? stack and a half?

I'm using nothing yet. We currently have a bit of manually farmed wood that is manually turned into charcoal, and then we use that to power a very little bit of EU generation thing.

Cutting down huge twilight oaks takes a while though...

@Jochem Uuh 8 diamond blocks, so 72 :(

But I've got diamond bees now, so its all good =p

@KevinvanderVelden Can't you use the Ender Dragon egg?

@KevinvanderVelden that's not too bad... I think I might have to set that up as well, I'm not sure how much I like boilers anymore

What? The one that belongs to Night? Nope, not stealing that =p

Alkathest it

(expensive but...)

that's what the 8 blocks of diamond were for :)

Looking at it, I don't have Alkahest in my personal suite of mods anyway, so no way to replicate or create Netherrack (aside from UU-Matter, and that'd be just silly). Oh well, I guess it's quarrying "Hell biome" worlds as usual for me if I want near-infinite lava. ;)

Or bees =p Many many bees

No Forestry either. Next up to see if I can include would be Aether 2 and Twilight Forest.

My cousins want Battle Towers, but I found that mod to be just too silly.

@MartinSojka if you set the right parameters in the configfile it's doable, but default they just spawn everywhere, you can usually see two or three from any bit of a hill.

You have to increase the minimum distance between towers to something a lot higher.

I don't have alkahest either it seems, so what would I need to fix that? @KevinvanderVelden

Its part of xeno's reliquary iirc

Yup, but would it be possible without the alkahest thingies?

@Arperum My problem is more with the content of the towers. First lots of easy floors with a ton of good loot, especially on the last two. Then a boss which basically "cheats" - it teleports back to its place and regens fully when you move something like 16 blocks away. Which means even falling down the tower (into a water pool) will mean you have to re-do him. And that he can actually destroy enough of the tower to be forever invincible, hovering in the air ...

I dont know of any other cheap way to create netherrack

... well, until you build an obsidian platform to him at least.

That's not a "hard boss", it's just plain annoying.

That does suck jeah =/

@MartinSojka Didn't know about the teleport part. That's new I think.

Blah, battletowers sounds really cool to program

Should I learn to mod minecraft... hmm

It's been this way for at least half a year already. I only found out after, one time, I arrived at the tower and got pushed out of it by him and managed to shoot him still from mid-air ... which bugged out the whole thing, the boss spazzing out on top of the tower as soon as I came near.

Anyway, current plan of action is to change base Minecraft spawning code just enough to make Mo'Creatures not need to use its own, and so not to overwhelm vanilla, Grimoire of Gaia and Millenaire spawns with its own.

... because right now most of the nights are full of ghosts and undead horses and little else.

@Kevin seriously you're feeding the crucible with a BC pipe loop?

Jup :D

That has at most 3 items flowing in it at a time

I wanted to do it without ME/RP2

ME works well

Jeah but it's to easy =p

But the proof of concept works, I'll probably switch it up to use routers and ME

A separate ME network from my main one though =p

I found some bees in the nether that seem to be unattended

Are they in a nether fortress?

Embittered queen, iron chest, small pipe system on 2 apiary; iron chest and 4 empty apiaries. No spotloader. no sign whatsoever

With another tower with glass viewer roofing nearby?

nope

Then not mine probably, I have some bees in the nether though

They qre missing netherwart BTW

@M'vy Sounds like a murder case waiting to be solved.

Cause if no one take cares of them I will

Heh, If you want some embittered bees I can get you some =p

yeah I know that you can probably get me any single bee type/specie I'd want

But that would not be fun

I know, I meant this bee so that you dont have to "steal" the abandoned bees =p

But they have been abandoned. Poor little bees

=[

I should upgrade my nether bees, Get some glowstone gen running

And more importantly, lava gen (demonic bees produce combs that can be centrifuged for phosphor, which is basically 1 bucket off lava if you add sand) :D

And they produce glowstone as a bonus, win win

glowstone which you can centrifuge into redstone which you can alkahest into netherack which you can smelt into more lava ;)

god dammit lava...

Well anyway I put a spotloader and I am borrowing one of empty apiarist to cross breed my own bees

@Jochem Hmm could do that =p

That's pretty good: the thaumcraft frames uses that lignum essentia I've been stock piling for ages

I should just sell some apiarys.. I've got uuh a lot

@KevinvanderVelden it's worth 24 wood logs

And seeds =p

I think the whole beekeeping is a bit strangely developed.

On the one hand, you have all kinds of strange bees and lots of complexity in terms of breeding, environment and so on.

On the other hand ... real-world complications like the queen leaving the apiary and moving somewhere else occasionally aren't there.

... or bee parasites.

then we remove the frame durability; and we process themin the centrifuge once the bees filled them with honey and wax

That could be interesting =p

we make it possible to staack apiaries to add more frames

with management of production

and bee hunger

hm.. there are no seasons in minecraft...

There is at least one mod for it; not sure how well it works though.

IIRC terrafirmacraft has seasons, incompatibility with almost anything too I think.

I was thinking of The Seasons Mod

There should be chest that would switch their content with your inventory

@M'vy That does sound convenient yes.

armour stand should do that as well

<- stupid... just trashed the aura...

How much flux do you generally need to get wisps to spawn?

any level. But they do spawn more when flux is moderate or high

I don't have the goggles yet, so it's more of an estimate.

I guess dangerous too

shift clicking a crucible releases all it contains as flux, doesn't it?

(with a wand)

Well I just went from minimal to moderate by wasting 16 bestiola and 16 vinculum

@Arperum nope this is for alembics

If you wanna empty a crucible, just right click it with the wand

it will fill up any alembic where applicable

not sure you can for to dissolve with shift click on it, therefore bypassing alembic function

I got it empty with the shift click, because right click said I didn't have enough vis on the wand (accidental stack droppage in it) to create that much items.

oh

I was kind of hoping to get at least some wisps of that fuckup.

if you threw up something that is a recipe... you need the vis charge

What's the max vis a wand can ever hold? There was ~500 vis required for that stuff >_>

1000

it was seriously ridiculous

(and accidental)

but this is the last wand you can craft

yeah like throwing a stack of porkchop ^^

I'm at the first wand still, so it was WAAAAAY over my 50 vis max :p

The incident involved an unknown amount of bread and aluminum for creation of copper nuggets (we keep running out of copper)

@Arperum I stopped having problem with copper since I built an industrial centrifuge and hook it up on a lava tesseract

I'm not sure how you can ever run out of copper, of all things. At least once you have a Quarry set up, optionally in a resource-rich Mystcraft world.

@MartinSojka We are kind of very early game, and advancing very slow too. But it's fun. No quarry yet though :(

I also didn't succeed in creating a stable mystcraft age yet.

But I have good hopes for the future, we got a ton of new pages at the end of our last playtime

Depends a bit on the Mystcraft version. In general, I feel it helps if you just create some 20 random worlds you'll never visit again, and scribble their symbols down before you create your first "real" one.

It's the version included in FTB, 0.10.4 I think.

Yeah, I have 0.9.something, it works a bit differently there (for one, the symbols are simpler I think ;)).

So now I have a page to control something about biomes, before I could only color the clouds red >_< and make things worse for the rest.

Finding pages now requires you to go running around in an age, or find a villager who wants to sell pages.

0.9 gives you symbols if you visit I think, 0.10 makes you find the pages in libraries spread around the ages.

0.9 just dumps the symbols of the world the moment it generates into the linking book. Thus ... visit 20 worlds, you'll likely have enough symbols to do what you want to do.

which is hard with blindness and being set on fire when you enter the sun... horrible combination, that.

0.10 needs you to hunt for those symbols, so it's abandoned mineshaft spelunking time (which is fun for me anyway, so I wouldn't mind).

Finding them in mineshafts would work too, only problem is that we started our world without mystcraft, so the area around our base doesn't have them for sure. So the only option is hunting for pages in ages. Wich is painfull if you get the bad combination of effects, or skylands, or both.

The blindness is the worst though, you can't see anything at all, and so you get constantly swarmed by mobs.

There are usually no mineshafts around the initial spawn anyway.

We even had to resort to /tpx 0 once, because we got blasted to hell so much we lost all of the linking books we brought...

That felt really bad :(

That's a vanilla Minecraft world creation feature. I'm not sure where the starting rooms of mineshafts begin to appear, I think it's something like 300 blocks out.

@Arperum Aw. The usual "enter with book pedestal and linking book back in hand, after spawning place the pedestal, then the book, then get the hell out of the way" approach didn't even work?

@Jochem you're still in?

@M'vy no, I got disconnected.

seems alive

it's let me back on now

@MartinSojka spawn and everyting in the area was mostly crater. and the rest was void because of sky island spawn.

I'm pretty sure I literally punched that book to death afterwards.

Well there's your problem, your supposed to open the book, not punch it :)

@KevinvanderVelden I know that part, but I am never going back to the age, and to make abolutely certain of that I destroyed the descriptive book to that age when we got back.

(I am also going to make a creeper grinder one day, just out of revenge on the one that blew up half our machines)

Aah oke =p

I'm going home now, so I can read my starred discussion when I have the game under my hands.

Hehe have fun :)

Can I push advanced solar panels with pistons?

You can try

How so? =p

Lost power URL, moar boilers ?

IRL * damn phone !

back

can't launch FTB...

mojang down...

damn it

:(

welp, guess that solves my question of "play FTB or watch Kerbal Space Program videos"

Mojang back up it seems

Hello! I'm new here, and am wondering what this "chat" is for.