The Nth Monitor

@JohnSnow - political discussions probably don't belong here :P I can see your frustration but I suggest you drop it and/or take it up with @IsmaelMiguel in private chat like he suggested.

Ismael Miguel

9:40 AM

I just want to understand what the heck I did wrong...

Was it because I called it "gay thing"?

Simon André Forsberg

@IsmaelMiguel yes.

Dan Pantry

@IsmaelMiguel Yeah.

It's a bit of a bigger deal than a 'gay thing' to people who it actually affects

Simon André Forsberg

or to people who care deeply about it

Dan Pantry

As I said though, I don't really think we should be having a political discussion here. If you wanna talk more about it, create a separate room and Il'l join in :-)

@SimonAndréForsberg agreed, I am personally not gay but I have many friends and colleagues who are, so I fight their corner because I know how much it means to them

Ismael Miguel

@SimonAndréForsberg Can you move this to The Nth monitor, as suggested? If not, I'll make a room or something.

@DanPantry To me, and to my best knowledge, it was something that happened related to gay right, in the U.S.A.

If I came here celebrating the 25th April, would you even care about it?

Dan Pantry

9:44 AM

@IsmaelMiguel It was the supreme court over-ruling all of the (mostly republican) state rules in the US preventing gay marriage and thereby the SCOTUS recognising that gay people are equal to other people, regardless of sexual orientation, and that they should be allowed to be married (and therefore miserable like the rest of us). That's a pretty big mile stone because it sets a trend for all western countries to follow.

@IsmaelMiguel No, I probably wouldn't. But I would be respectful of your celebrations and not downplay them.

I think it was just unfortunate wording on your part to use the words "gay thing" because it is so, so much more important than that.

Simon André Forsberg

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Dan Pantry

I should mention that I'm British and so the SCOTUS don't actually affect me, but it was a huge landmark to see the SCOTUS giving their children states the effective finger and setting a precedent.

Ismael Miguel

Honestly, it isn't something that keeps me awake at night

This will sound like an ass

But, if gay people want to marry, just let them freaking marry!

Dan Pantry

Well, I agree with you

A lot of people do

Unfortunately, plenty of states in America were ruled by die-hard... religious.. people, who seemed to think their religion should influence everyone else's life and affect the law.

The ruling was essentially SCOTUS recognizing that it should make secular laws, which is pretty big

Ismael Miguel

10:06 AM

@DanPantry Now I see why he got mad... But still, it isn't a big deal for me and a while ago it was just something related to gay right that happened in the U.S.A.

Dan Pantry

@IsmaelMiguel I can see why it wasn't a big deal for you, but the words 'gay thing' make it seem like you are downplaying/shrugging it off

Ismael Miguel

Thing because it was something

Dan Pantry

The best thing you can do is use language-neutral terms - "wasn't that to do with gay marriage" would have been fine

it was something

but it wasn't just any other normal thing that happened

it was a landmark decision

Ismael Miguel

But I didn't knew what thing

Dan Pantry

in the same way that you wouldn't refer to WW2 as 'that war thing'

I do sympathise with you :) I can appreciate you didn;t know what it is

Ismael Miguel

10:08 AM

But that's world war

Dan Pantry

as I said, it was just an unfortunate usage of words

Ismael Miguel

How else could I say it?

Dan Pantry

> wasn't that to do with gay marriage

Ismael Miguel

"It was something related to some stuff about gay right or something"?

Dan Pantry

also you could easily argue that anything the SCOTUS does essentially end up affecting the entire western world

America tends to set precedents like that

Ismael Miguel

10:10 AM

I have no idea what SCOTUS is

It sounds like "scouts" misspelled

Dan Pantry

Supreme Court of the United States

It is the court that made the ruling and it is also the highest court in the US.

If the SCOTUS makes a ruling, EVERY state in the US has to listen to them

Ismael Miguel

I had no idea of that

But, honestly, to me, it really doesn't have much value

That is, to me

But I can see why he was mad about it

I'm against gay stuff (by stuff, I mean everything)

In fact, it's repulsive

Dan Pantry

I respect your opinion

Ismael Miguel

But I respect if they want to marry and all that

Dan Pantry

My grandparents also do not see eye to eye with gay people

However they also do not enforce their views on others - and thats exactly what states were doing

Ismael Miguel

10:14 AM

It's different

Dan Pantry

as long as you understand why he was pissed thats all that matters really

Ismael Miguel

Yeah

Dan Pantry

not to say he is right or wrong in being miffed by what you said

but at least you understand his POV

Ismael Miguel

It really wasn't a fortunate wording, but I didn't had any better

Either I would say that

Dan Pantry

Don't need to apologise to me :P

Ismael Miguel

10:16 AM

I'm not

Do you think that this will give me chat ban?

JohnSnow

10:49 AM

@DanPantry Actually I was dropping it when he kept insisting we keep on talking in private. :P

Dan Pantry

@IsmaelMiguel no :-) we aren't that strict. It was just a misunderstanding and I'm sure even if it got anywhere near that the mods could see your isde.

@JohnSnow I was aware of that but I figured it woudl be a good idea to iron out the detaeils

Ismael Miguel

@JohnSnow I just wanted to know what I did wrong, so I don't repeat it

@DanPantry See my isde?

JohnSnow

@DanPantry My 'no' was supposed to be the end of it :P

And I wasn't pissed if you were talking about me

I don't get pissed

Dan Pantry

@JohnSnow it was a figure of speech, I wasn't actually suggesting you were angry :-)

@IsmaelMiguel side

Ismael Miguel

@DanPantry I doubt. Moderators aren't here to 'see sides'. They are here to take actions.

Dan Pantry

10:56 AM

by weighing all of the evidence from both parties.

Ismael Miguel

Which would result in me being banned. Why? Because of how I spoke about it and probably because Jamal hates me for picking on his edits

Dan Pantry

I think you're being a bit too paranoid, friend.

JohnSnow

@DanPantry Well, there were no angry or upset feeling. If anything, disbelief.

Maybe because you keep taking things too OT? :P

Ismael Miguel

Put an 'over' on it! I'm always paranoid!

JohnSnow

I'm admittedly guilty of OT

Ismael Miguel

10:59 AM

@JohnSnow OT?

JohnSnow

I'm trying to change that

Off Topic

Ismael Miguel

Anything is on-topic here, unless it is too specific and about code

JohnSnow

Well, I thought you said you got banned in the 2nd monitor

What happened to the water cooler?

Ismael Miguel

I didn't got banned. I don't want to get banned

JohnSnow

Wasn't that a good chat to move the off topicness to?

Ismael Miguel

11:01 AM

It's not that.

I don't want to get banned because of how I spoke about gay marriage

Dan Pantry

It's a political thing.

therefore there is no right or wrong answer, it's an opinion

You won't be banned on CR for having an opinion.

JohnSnow

Unless you target a minority with hateful speaking, it's fine to have whatever opinion you want.

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Ismael Miguel

Jamal hates me, he probably would love to see me banned

JohnSnow

Jamal won't bann you for no good reason

Dan Pantry

@IsmaelMiguel I'm sure he doesn't.

And even if he does hate you

He's not corrupt.

JohnSnow

11:03 AM

I find him to be very tolerate and understanding.

Dan Pantry

He isn't going to ban you for personal reasons.

Ismael Miguel

I got banned once for 30 minutes because I said to fill a house with lead

Shotgun lead

(I didn't said about shooting it!)

Dan Pantry

That is the implication though

if I walk into a store with a balaclava I'm going to be treatedl ike I'm going to rob the store even though I haven't done it yet

or have no intention of donig it

JohnSnow

Maybe I should add; you should not target ANYONE specificly with threats or hateful speech. Even as a joke.

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Dan Pantry

^

That wasn't because he hates you. that's because you broke the rules.

Ismael Miguel

11:06 AM

And that's why I'm worried I might get banned

JohnSnow

You already got your punishement

you need to commit a new rule breaking case to get another punishment.

Dan Pantry

11:51 AM

fume

Dan Pantry

12:14 PM

Just so they can deal with the whole page situation without us takling over thenm

skiwi

I'm like never here

Dan Pantry

It's new, so neither am I xD

@skiwi just read a question on SO where someone wanted to store a JavaSCript function in a cookie and then execute that javascript from another page..

skiwi

@DanPantry WAAATTF

Dan Pantry

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Q: How to run a js function stored in a cookie

I have a section on a website that has multiple pages which are accesed with ajax. I'd like to run a js function that is stored in a cookie so that i can refresh the content of my page after doing some modifications from several select boxes and remain on the same page(in the cookie i stored a fu...

I wish I was joking

skiwi

I smell an XYZ problem

Dan Pantry

12:20 PM

"I have a section on a website that has multiple pages which are accesed with ajax. I'd like to run a js function that is stored in a cookie so that i can refresh the content of my page after doing some modifications from several select boxes"

Why not just... store the data to pass to the function instead

you're a java man right?

3

Q: Calling methods from the constructor

I wrote the below code, and as you see, in the constructor I call some methods to perform certain operations. And now what I am inquiring about is, whether it is a good practice to call those methods from the constructor OR declare those methods as public and instantiate an object from the class ...

java function methods constructor

Mast

@DanPantry What's up with that question, you've already answered it.

Dan Pantry

I wanted a 2nd opinion

thanks-santa

Mast

Your answer looks good, states the important facts. What he's trying to do is not what he should be doing.

Dan Pantry

I haven't used Java in donkeys years, so

Mast

It's taking the wrong approach and a typical XY problem. He's trying to implement a solution which doesn't solve is problem. He just moved the problem.

Dan Pantry

12:32 PM

> He just moved the problem.

if you looked up "programming patterns" in a dictionary

you'd see that :P

skiwi

@DanPantry Yeah... and also a busy man ;)

Dan Pantry

@skiwi sorry :P I should be updating this documentation myself....

Mast

@JohnSnow Why did you change your name anyway?

Dan Pantry

@mast hodor

(who was JohnSnow?)

Mast

Gemtastic

Dan Pantry

12:38 PM

Ah

Mast

And what does Hodor have to do with anything?

Dan Pantry

John Snow is a character from Game of Thrones.

hodor is a character from Game of Thrones that only says Hodor

he's something of a meme

JohnSnow

@Mast Because I know nothing

Mast

@DanPantry Yea, I googled it. But what does he have to do with the conversation?

JohnSnow

"You know nothing, Jon Snow" is a meme from GoT

Mast

12:41 PM

Oh, they're both GoT thingy.

Dan Pantry

^.

Mast

Never got around watching that show.

Dan Pantry

Neither did I

but I know the memes :(

Reddit is a blessing and a curse

Mast

Currently watching Stargate with my wife :-)

Just finished SG-1, now in S1 of Atlantis

Dan Pantry

"people who are not actively building the Code Review community"

I feel that discussing hodor and stargate is very much community building

:^)

Mast

12:43 PM

CR consists of many communities, with overlap.

Sometimes they shouldn't be talking in the same room.

Dan Pantry

One of my colleagues just put Blink182 on in the office

Many people are complaining right now lol

Mast

I don't know that band.

Dan Pantry

Fairly old song,, I think it's older than me..

Not quite - it's ~16 years old

Ismael Miguel

@DanPantry Why are they complaining?

Dan Pantry

I guess some people don't like blink182

(myself included)

JohnSnow

12:52 PM

Which song?

Dan Pantry

all the small things

Ismael Miguel

I don't dislike, but I'm not an overly-attached fan anyway

That one is alright

JohnSnow

XD

90s nostalgia

Ismael Miguel

Yup

Mast

@DanPantry Async JavaScript, right up your alley?

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Q: Nested SQLite transactions in jQuery

I'm using Cordova with jQuery and jQuery Mobile to develop a hybrid app. In this app I need to save data that I get from a server. The data is a JSON. I chose this SQLite plugin for Cordova to save the content in tables for easy access. I make an AJAX-GET call to get the data I need and call the...