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7:47 AM
@xdhmoore Thanks, a great article (Fowler always gives good food for thought)
 
 
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10:10 AM
did someone just enter without knocking? Blasphemy!
@Mnementh despite opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/1767/… being a not good question that should be closed it is an open source program. Where did you get the impression it's not?
(it's 3 clause BSD)
 
 
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11:14 AM
@Martijn I never found a license, not in the source or on the website. That's why I wrote I found no hint the software is open source. But despite it being open source or not, the question has nothing to do with open-sourceness or not.
 
it's in the source, in license.doc
 
If it is 3-clause-BSD, where can the license be found?
 
I'm
BACK!!! :D
 
in the zip
 
@Martijn really? then I looked badly, sorry
 
11:16 AM
the question comes down to "how do I build all project in a c++ solution in visual studio"btw
 
doesn't change my main point, the question isn't influenced by the software being open source, it is entirely about tool-usage that would be the same for open source or proprietary
@Martijn exactly
 
yeah, absolutly. It built okish for me
 
@Martijn couldn't test. I don't have Visual Studio or Windows.
I added a comment, I found the License.doc. Don't know why I overlooked it before
 
probably because .doc
happy to see you got control over your account back Ziz
how are you going on formulating a question on the licensing tag @Zizouz212
 
@Martijn Ah, I haven't even started :/
I should probably start
 
11:30 AM
no rush
 
Thanks for reminding me though, I seriously would never have gotten it done :D
 
 
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12:52 PM
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Q: Free/open source is the best solution in the globalized world?

GuestHas it occurred to anyone that free products (music, books, software, etc) solve the following artificial problem due to users being reachable globally: the authors that get global popularity get super rich? Ideally wouldn't it be best if individuals only earned money through their physical eff...

what is it with the influx of terrible questions?
 
@Martijn That's a weird one. I couldn't even tell if he was talking about gratis stuff or anything. Supported by democratic organizations? What?
 
I don't even think that the premise that "he authors that get global popularity get super rich?" is a problem holds
people getting super rich(tm) doesn't seem to be a problem to me
 
It's so weird, what is the author trying to even accomplish?
 
He wanted to give a philosophical/economical comment to a big discussion.
 
Well, not the place to do any of that :?
 
12:58 PM
It is part of what we even consider to be a good system to value work
surely no Q&A-site is a place for this
 
if society wants to accomplish X, shouldn't Y do Z is rarely a question that is answerable with anything other than debate
 
Yep
 
@Martijn In this case the part there society wants to accomplish X is even missing. Wouldn't it be best depends strongly on what people are consider as good, and in many cases the opinions on what is good strongly differ.
 
I think it's universally accepted that Radiohead is pretty good
 
This is a decent question:
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Q: How do I license an open source application that uses closed source libraries?

JakeI'm not sure if this is the right place for this question since the software I'm developing isn't completely open source, but here goes. Long story short (and for context), I'm a member of a not-for-profit organisation. I develop and maintain several pieces of software used only inside the organ...

 
1:15 PM
that's an excellent (if somewhat "beginner") question even.
 
I somehow feel my answer isn't sufficient, maybe someone else will provide a better one.
 
Alright: pun time! Word: [licensing]
 
I'll see if I have the time later. The .NET environement is my day job, and though for my dayjob I don't have much to do with distributing open source, I might be able to squeeze out a decent answer if I take some time
 
1:30 PM
Guys, puns
Come on!
 
ziz: priorities :P Is your question focussed? clear? answerable in more than one way?
 
I'm just starting :/
And I want a pun :)
Stop [licensing] the site!
 
again: priorities
 
Puns!
Why am I such a child!
 
I think it's common at that age
hi @Jake
 
1:45 PM
Hi.
 
@Zizouz212 I recommend staying a child, adult live with work, obligations and all that stuff seriously sucks ...
hi Jake
 
Just tried to get hold of my boss now, but he's in a meeting. >.<
But he's convinced he just wants to redistribute that .dll for conviniences sake.
 
first off, your direct question, yes, when reading through the redistributable agreement, you may bundle indiviual DLL's
from a technical perspective however, have you distributed programs with versioned DLL dependencies before?
 
No.
Because this is only being distributed for use inside an organisation, not really sure how to go about it.
 
because it's a massive headache. It can quickly lead to dll hell if you don't install the dlls in the GAC, and there is all sorts of arcane invocations to be done through probing paths and whatnot
 
1:48 PM
They don't need to be installed the GAC. Not for the powershell one at least.
There's basically a line in the .psd file which says where the DLL should be.
And they can alter that line if they need to.
 
Until they have the same DLL in another binary-incompatible version installed in their GAC, in which case everything blows up(tm)
if it's loaded from a pre-determined location, you should be OK, but do test it
 
I shouldn't have the same .dll in the GAC. I've already said, if they need SSMS, remote into the server to do it.
That's kind of why this powershell module is being written, to skip all the hassle of remoting in.
All I really need to know now, is how do I word the license. Basically any powershell scripts are mine, and any DLL's belong to Microsoft and whatever license terms they've imposed?
 
if you go for a non-gpl license, then you can just follow mnemenths answer
there is a wide range of open sources licenses out there. MIT/expat and Apache are among the most popular.
 
That's what I'm not sure of. I just need something that allows them to change the source of the scripts of they need to and they can't hold me liable if it breaks. (If that's even possible)
I've always said to my boss if he needs to run the source past our IT guys, he can do so.
 
the latter is pretty much all of them (the liability disclaimer if technically not part of the license, but comes along pretty standard)
the former is pretty much the definition of open source, so that too is all of them
choosealicense.com has a bit of a guide
it's hard to advice anything particular for your situation, because pretty much any license fits, other than the GPL or AGPL which may make downstream re-distribution difficult
 
1:57 PM
Well I'm thinking MIT since if they need to make changes, it's not like they need to ask me.
It's just how I word the license because of the MS components.
If it helps, I've got the MS .dlls in a folder called dependencies, and all of my code in a separate folder, does that help?
 
take a look at this question:
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Q: Combining code written under different licenses (Eiffel Forum License, MIT and Apache), what are my options?

CupOfTeaSo I'm new to all this licensing jazz, and I've just started work on a project I'd like to one day publish as open source. I've found a couple of projects so far that have code to accomplish stuff similar to what I'd like to do, and as such I'd like to use it because it is probably more mature/t...

does that answer your question, or isn't that helping?
 
I think so, let me just clarify:
I need to include a notice file saying that anything under the module is licensed under the MIT license and anything in the dependencies folder is licensed under microsoft software license terms for the shared management objects?
module folder*
 
yeah, plus the nuget packages; MahAppsMetro is under MS-PL and FluentRibbon is under MIT
 
well the nuget ones are in the big client app, so I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. ;-)
Alright, I think I understand everything now.
 
because licensing is hard, and programmers tend to care primarily about code, and not so much about licenses, sometimes the licensing of nuget packages is lacking
it's a tricky situation, because the author usually wants them to be used and redistributed, but from a licensing perspective that's not always possible/legal
 
2:05 PM
I'm only worried about the licensing since I or my organisation can't afford to get sued. They're worried about keeping addicts from relapsing, not getting sued over a software license.
 
if you have any follow-up questions, don't hesitate to post them
we're still a young site, and real life questions are very valuable to us
 
You might get a few more from me then. All I need to to make sure everything I write for my boss gets licensed properly since I'm not selling it to them or anything like that.
I'll keep this bookmarked anyway, might need it again later once I've actually written the notice.
 
liability disclaimers are part of pretty much any license. Whether they are effective in court would probably depend on the jurisdiction, but AFAIK this has never been tested, which means that in decades of open source nobody ever got sued over their software
 
Well let's hope that continues.
Anyway, I need to disappear for a bit, but thanks again Martijn.
 
no worries!
 
2:22 PM
In the past week, we closed 50% of new questions. Is that a common rate for sites at this point in beta?
 
2:34 PM
@Martijn Doesn't look like it. Is that through a query?
 
no, just through review tools
 
Ah, let me take a look
 
sounds like it's approaching progs.SE close rates
 
12 asked and 6 closed - only 1 was off-topic
 
needs 2k rep though
 
2:37 PM
Ah.
Of the 6 closed, two were reopened
 
2:49 PM
go get 2k rep @ratchetfreak
:P
 
Yeah!
Nah, but I can always post you guys screenshots :)
 
3:37 PM
@Martijn I NEED YOUR GODLY QUERY POWERS!
 
they are fairly mundain
but what do you need?
 
Here:
 
where?
 
Let me guess, I did everything wrong :P
 
no, SE did everything wrong :P
 
3:41 PM
Wat?
 
well, it's a justified wrong
 
Oh dear...
 
each post has 0 or more tags. For that you need a relation
 
A relation?
 
but they denormalized it into a single field
yeah, you need a tags table, a posts table, and a table connecting the two
but they denormalized the tags into a single field
 
3:43 PM
Isn't that done by the select?
 
maybe they did both. Hrm
no, the "tags" field contains something like "<tag1><tag2>"
 
if you need to proecess tags in data.SE you need to do string processing in SQL...
 
String processing?
 
they did both
there is a posttags table
 
You broke my browser!
 
3:47 PM
So what exactly do you want the query to return?
The distinct posts with any of those tags?
 
Ah, I may not have said that
Just a list that have any of the tags that was in that list
 
178 records. Are you sure that's exactly what you want?
 
Probably
 
Probably not :P
 
@Martijn Is a genius
Just fixed up a couple words, and here I've got it:
 
3:53 PM
and 400 if you put a not in the where clause
 
it is, by the way, more likely that you also want a classifier whether it contains "licensing", one of the others, and the intersection
from which I can tell you there is no question that is tagged licensing that is not also tagged one of the others
oh, wait, not yet
no, this is not true
here you got them with the qualifiers attached
it's not pretty SQL, and probably terrible in performance, but for such a small dataset, who cares.
 
4:31 PM
@Zizouz212 here, have a pie
 
4:44 PM
actually, a Venn diagram might work better, but those are tricky to make.
 

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