The Bikeshed

why thank you

phrased as positively as I could

i would like to point out you are doing the same thing

12:39 AM

Yep, I actually confessed that in the post

That's why I gave the heads up

What fun have I missed?

hey ziz

And I think what you did was fine

But the question has to be asked

I reached my rep cap right as the time turned to the next day!

See my comment to HDE's answer

12:40 AM

hey ziz

hey ziz. I'm stirring it up again

please answer some of these / upvote if you like them

opensource.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=newest

Stirring?

Smells like food!

I actually found one really good page of questions at scu.edu/ethics/publications/submitted/open-source.html but I can't see how any of them would avoid being closed really quickly as too broad or primarily opinion based

@kdopen Let's take a look!

12:42 AM

@trevor "Smells like food!" well the full expression is "s**t stirring" so you have an interesting idea of food

:)

What?

i did not say that

Q: Is it OK to reproduce questions from other open source websites?

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I was looking for a source of potential questions, found one, and asked it. Then I recognized a lot of the other questions on this page (and don't bother, they're all gone now :) The site itself is under CC-BY and they explicitly say sharing is OK. I also presume that license is compatible with ...

that was ziz

oops

12:44 AM

I love this community. Seriously.

I actually dug one out of that page which might be worth a try

Meeeez! :D

send the page

Can we see?

@HDE226868 sad person

@trev

12:45 AM

@kdopen happy person.

@Zizouz212 I did, it's in my post

scu.edu/ethics/publications/submitted/open-source.html

sad happy? what post? I am so utterly confused right now... Joining late is never fun

trust me i joind a day late

Trevor and I have been trawling for questions and we both hit on the same one ... then I posted a question in meta ... which interestingly is +1 for the Q and -1 for both answers

I mean half way through a conversation...

I saw the meta

Funny stuff, everyone hates both sides...

12:47 AM

That's what the conversation is about

I don't get the downvote on the question, though.

Anyway I was looking at this as a question "does a lack of strong protection for IP discourage innovation by removing the financial incentive for developing it"

Who down voted it?

It's presented from a neutral perspective, I think.

just remove it

12:48 AM

@Zizouz212 Not me. But I don't want to upvote it, either.

Neutrality -> no reason in my eyes to downvote

Not that I'm accusing anyone here of having done so

@Zizouz212 Exactly. I see that too much.

I know I didnt

SO meta...

Never change, Meta. Never change. — BoltClock ♦ Jun 21 at 16:56

At least meta doesn't change your rep ... either way

Not that any of us are interested in our rep

i am interested in rep only so i can gain permissions to help the site

12:50 AM

@kdopen At one point, I had more rep on meta than on main.

On this site?

I've "reached" more people on meta than the main site

:/

828 on main, 836 on meta

@kdopen Yep.

When I click on my name at the top is shows me the same rep value for meta and main, but different stats for everything else

@Zizouz212 Same here. 291 for meta, 210 for main.

@kdopen Oh, your meta rep doesn't show.

I just did the math.

12:52 AM

I thought the meta rep was just the main rep? The only real meta rep is on meta.stackexchange.com, right?

Funny, how there's only 316 users on the site

Meta rep is from the main site

except for Meta.SE

No, says 735 on both pages and desn't have a rep tab on the meta one

So you're right

@HDE226868 Oh I see - you added up what the meta rep would be by looking through all questions and answers...?

@trichoplax It is. I meant the amount of rep I would have if there was separate rep on meta.

Oh, my reply is a bit late, then.

12:53 AM

I take it you did that when there were somewhat fewer questions...?

@trichoplax Yes. But I still haven't asked/answered much.

Also, I suspect that right now this site is running on an underpowered VM while its in private Beta. I see lots of lag between things like asking a question and it appearing in the list for example. Makes sense, but that probably explains the small differences in rep that show up between meta and main

@kdopen VM?

Virtual Machine ... what most people mean by a cloud server

Meta doesn't normally sync the rep realtime on all sites i've been to

12:56 AM

New sites are sandboxed in a virtual machine until it can be determined whether they are malign

... or worth keeping

and giving an expensive VM or physical server to

This happens on Stack Overflow...

ah, not particularly active in meta over there

Um, I can star my own questions?

So for those only after rep for the priveliges .... does that mean you'll stop once you hit 1000? ::)

12:57 AM

@trichoplax Yep!

It's useful as I need to remember to delete a comment later, but I didn't think we could

@trichoplax You can favourite anything

That's news to me

@kdopen They'll sure be stranded once we go public :)

guys can you please answer some of my questions

please

12:58 AM

@TrevorClarke The answers will come, just not right away... Give it time :)

well im hacking the system

jk

Quick question: Was anyone familiar with the OSI relationship with Stack Exchange before this site went into beta?

@Zizouz212 overactor added a comment linking to meeting minutes from OSI which didn't look promising - did you see that?

I saw it, but there were some words in their that were unfamiliar. Let me pull them out

I don't know who else was aware of things

The numbers rather than the words jumped out at me: 9 to 0

1:01 AM

> Stack Exchange had approached the OSI about hosting a dedicated "Open Source" discussion forum, recognized by the OSI. The Board would be interested to see MOU and consider funding. Patrick and Leslie to develop MOU.

But what was the Yes | No | Abstain for?

In support of promoting the site? And also, what's an MOU?

funding? Whatever MOU stands for?

But didn't overactor also say that at least one of the board is here in private beta?

I think he did, I want to figure out who that is

awhat do you mean

Can you run queries from data.SE on private betas?

what do you mean?

1:03 AM

@Zizouz212 unfortunately not

Wlah. I would've tried to find a mention of that through a query...

@TrevorClarke if you press up or click on the arrow to the left of your post you can edit it within 2 minutes

I thought it was next to the same comment?

Was what next?

@TrevorClarke What does who mean about what? If you want to reply to a specific comment you can click on the arrow to the right of it.

(it's what is making my comments have links back to yours)

idk what do you mean about data.SE

1:05 AM

data.stackexchange.com

ziz look at the sunset

It is the Stack Exchange Data Explorer. It allows you to write queries that give statistics about any Stack Exchange Site (apart from private betas...)

omg thats beautiful

thats really beautiful

ik

im taking a pic

So you can find out arbitrary information like "how many comments on questions between these dates contained the word xkcd"

1:08 AM

is there even data for OS on data.se

MOU == "memorandum of understanding"

Q: Does a seeming lack of strong protection for IP discourage innovation?

what do we think about this

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(Comment: I'll edit this out if the question sticks. This question is meant to test the boundaries) The Patent system works on the premise that the community benefits from the information shared, and rewards the innovators by granting them a period to capitalize on it without others grabbing a f...

monetization philosophy

@kdopen thanks :)

@trichoplax the votes must've been against support then?

It's the precursor to a legal agreement usually outlining the terms in general agreement to allow things to proceed while the lawyers wordsmith it and haggle about the commas and periods

1:09 AM

My guess is the votes were against having an official arrangement involving funding and guidelines. They still seem interested in our existence

So I'd say the 9:0 vote meant they don't want to prepare an MOU. It's dead in the water

@TrevorClarke I think that's a great question ... but I might be biased

feel free to upvote :)

i did

thanks

feel free to upvote some of mine

or answer them

or both

I have

1:10 AM

Well, @trichoplax They can't just fight our existence...

Q: What do I do if the CC license I want to use has not yet been ported in my country?

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Background: Suppose I am developing an open sourced project. I am at the stage where I need to license my software. After doing research I find out that I live in a place where there is no ported CC license. My question: What do I do if the CC license I want to use has not yet been ported in...

license ported-license ported non-ported

But we will never be too closely linked with OSI because we are open source in name only - we cover both free and open source rather than allying with one or the other

Answering is a little more difficult ... but I think I know where I can find some answers

:)

Q: Should I use a copycenter license (Permissive license) if I think I may want to charge for my product in later versions?

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Background Suppose I am working on a piece of open sourced software. Suppose I am unsure whether or not I want to sell it in future versions. My question: Would using a permissive license make it easier for me to sell my product in later versions? If yes, why so? If no, what could I do to ma...

license

I agree, I don't like the name of the site as it stands, especially with the way we've changed the scope to include all sorts of different things, most prominently creative commons

I would prefer changing it to something like Open Info.SE

1:12 AM

lets start a meta

il do it

No organization with the name, and it kinda allows all sites to be included

@TrevorClarke I'd wait until we develop the scope a little more

well i like that name

i dont think the scope is going to change much more

You can star it to highlight as important

and with the scope, you'd be surprised

So close to 500. . .

Yep, I'm behind a lot.

ziz look at the sunset again

1:16 AM

I know... It's never like this

@TrevorClarke Ask and ye shall receive, and upvote and and answer

@Zizouz212 @TrevorClarke Can one of you guys send a photo of it? Sounds beautiful.

It is. @TrevorClarke You better get one up here...

@HDE226868 So close to 500? I believe you've just passed it :P

@Zizouz212 "What's IANAL???" ... sigh .. I thought you young whippersnappers lived to text ... edit coming up

Q: The title of Open Source should be change to Open License

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Currently The current name of this site is "Open Source" the current scope of this site is 80% licensing and maybe 20% open source. The current name does not fully depict what this site answers. Proposal The name of Open Source should be changed to Open License. This name better suits the type...

discussion

1:18 AM

I don't have a phone...

@Zizouz212 That's unethical. . .

Not necessarily. I'm a big time voter, on every site I am.

If I see something that I find good, I always tend to pass a vote

@Zizouz212 I think HDE meant it's unethical that you don't have a phone

Q: What do I do if the CC license I want to use has not yet been ported in my country?

what about this

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Background: Suppose I am developing an open sourced project. I am at the stage where I need to license my software. After doing research I find out that I live in a place where there is no ported CC license. My question: What do I do if the CC license I want to use has not yet been ported in...

license ported-license ported non-ported

Oh.

Why!

I don't have a phone, that's more ethical than having one!

1:20 AM

@kdopen What? My phone's 15 years behind the curve.

Because here in sunny california (where the sun is still up) it's considered child abuse not to give your child a phone as sono as they can hold one

ziz please upvote the name change if you agree

@kdopen Seriously?

What's the "age" for children?

@Santiago Nice profile picture.

About 3 months :)

1:21 AM

A down vote @TrevorClarke ?

Ah, well, got to go. Enjoy California sunsets. They're the things I love best about that state.

You have got to watch for smilies

wow thx ziz

@TrevorClarke You're welcome. Writing an answer...

I'll be driving into the sunset unfortunately. Takes me an hour to get home

BUt I'm only half joking about the child/phone thing here

santiago

1:24 AM

@HDE226868 Thank you for that!

ok, night all

@kdopen Night!

@TrevorClarke I've wrote an answer to your meta post

Q: Does a license apply to both the design AND the physical object (if it is made)?

can someone please answer this / upvote / both pls

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Suppose I have a design for a truck. Simple enough. Possibly in a .CAD file or some such program. I publish this design on my website under a BY-NC-ND licence. Someone on the web finds my design and builds it using wood or a 3d printer. Now we have a phyical object. My Question: Now that we ha...

hardware

Q: The title of Open Source should be changed to Open License

-1

Currently The current name of this site is "Open Source" the current scope of this site is 80% licensing and maybe 20% open source. The current name does not fully depict what this site answers. Proposal The name of Open Source should be changed to Open License. This name better suits the type...

discussion feature-request

and you dont have to downvote the meta just because you disagree

there is nothing wrong with the idea itself

1:35 AM

@TrevorClarke Yeah I do. I've retagged to feature request, so down votes symbolize disagreement with the proposal

fine

Would it be safe to assume that you down voted my answer?

well i disagreed with it as well

so

yeah

Alright, that's understandable

If you would like to present it in a neutral view, and so it gets more attention, write the proposal section in a separate answer.

have all the questions from area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/82234?phase=definition been asked

1:38 AM

Probably not

Check before you ask though

36 questions and counting...

@TrevorClarke Can you place your proposal as an answer?

In here: meta.opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/167/…

ok

can you now un downvote

I have changed it

nm u did already

Yep :)

Wheres the @Mnementh

maybe you can upvote if you like the idea at all :-)

But I don't like the idea, but I'll up vote in hope that it receives attention.

@TrevorClarke I warned you... opensource.stackexchange.com/questions/514/…

yeah yeah

1:47 AM

Like my disclaimer?

sure

lol

Also, what happened to the picture of the sunset?

do you want me to send it to you

or i can upload it

i guess

Upload it and I'll start it for others to see. Just place a note for others that it's a beautiful sunset like this:

The beautiful Toronto sunset: link to sunset image

what

ohh

its taking a while to send the pic

1:51 AM

@TrevorClarke If you don't want a meta question to be downvoted, phrase it as a question instead of a statement. Then voting on the answers can indicate which answer people prefer. If the question is phrased as a statement, then people will vote up or down on the question to indicate whether they agree or disagree.

@trichoplax Thanks! Worded better than what I said

:)

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@trichoplax Star the sunset!

thats not the best one

1:54 AM

Star all sunsets!

Um, it's a lovely sunset, but I star things for one of two reasons:
1. They are useful for opensource.SE
2. They are amusing out of context

Number two doesn't cut it? Everyone was asking for it...

But wow, that is quite a sunset

ok what about this

My best guess would be... not a sunset

1:59 AM

lol

Is that at centre island?

no i found it online

k im going to watch youtube

Mnementh

2:15 AM

@Zizouz212 sleepwalking

Madara Uchiha

8:24 AM

ProgramFOX

I'm feeling watched...

:p

Madara Uchiha

@ProgramFOX Libby is watching

Pandya

12:31 PM

open source includes many things (software, license, hardware, digital content, open design etc.) what can be asked at opensource.SE

Don't forget the creative works!

@Pandya Ask them all and find out what the community thinks

If it's open source, then the community has to accept them

I think at present the attitude is that all the subjects there are on topic if they relate to open source, as long as the question is not bad for another reason (too broad/primarily opinion based...)

@Zizouz212 I don't know, I think there are still other reasons for rejecting a question

"How do I build an open source death ray?"

But definitely not off-topic

12:34 PM

True :)

And that's just the same as asking for a death ray, who needs open source?

With open source you can share the burden of testing...

That would be scary... Accessible to all! The new Open Source DEATH RAY!

12:55 PM

hey guys

wazzup

1:20 PM

hello @Martijn

how are u

doing?

Martijn

\o

how are you liking this site

Martijn

1:40 PM

tis not bad. I'm a bit concerned if there may be sufficient sustained quality questions, but other than that, it's looking good

I'm not too worried about the number of questions, as we'll have a bigger community once we go public. I'm more concerned about the variety of questions. If they are all too similar it doesn't suggest that a bigger community will help.

Q: How comes the most popular question from the definition phase got closed as too broad?

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During the definition phase, the highest voted example question of this site proposal was: What's the difference between the MIT and the BSD license? with 19 upvotes and 1 downvote. Naturally, someone asked this question. However, it got closed as too broad just two hours after it was aske...

discussion scope too-broad

Martijn

the number of questions that aren't effectively duplicates I mean.

most arent

and plus

these questions WILL get asked by the public at some point

so you may as well ask them now

2:16 PM

@Martijn I understand your concern, I'm not sure if there can be a steady influx of questions if the scope stays as it is, though I'm hoping that more people joining will mean a broader audience and thus bring in more varied questions.

@overactor

it will

you just have to wait

for people to test the boundaries

the first idea was that it would be licencing related

Q: Do we want to allow question about specific instances of open source products?

0

Differences between Firefox and Iceweasel is a question that isn't directly about open source, but rather about an open source product. This is not exactly included in our scope as it is, but could possibly be a good addition? It should be noted that this question is entirely different from a hy...

discussion scope

but we know know that is terrivle

That could also be a nice addition

but something about it makes me scared that it would be opening a can of worms.

but thats okay

we can handle that

if it brings more activity

to the site

Q: Do we want to allow question about specific instances of open source products?

2:20 PM

1

Differences between Firefox and Iceweasel is a question that isn't directly about open source, but rather about an open source product. This is not exactly included in our scope as it is, but could possibly be a good addition? It should be noted that this question is entirely different from a hy...

discussion scope

look at our stats we have on average 40 quesitons a day

a healthy beta is 10

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Open Source – opensource.stackexchange.com

Beta Q&A site for people organizing, marketing or licensing open source development projects.

Currently in private beta.

No one is worried about the quantity I think

(Though it will certainly drop down a lot from 40)

idk

not in public beta

id think

private you mean?

It definitely will drop down. What's important is that we continue to have good quality questions

2:24 PM

no i think it will get higher amounts in public

Q: What is the typical growth pattern of a new beta site in the first few weeks?

I think it will do well in public, but I'd be very surprised if we sustain 40 per day

Gilles

@TrevorClarke no, there's always a huge peak in the first few days

21

I've been involved with matheducators.stackexchange.com and a little bit with expatriates.stackexchange.com. I've noticed that both had very high activity during private beta and then about half as much activity during public beta (which makes sense, because people are trying to get the site goin...

discussion beta-phase beta-sites