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03:03
Hi...
Everyone! How are you
What is the correct way of commanding students in assembly conduction, "step out from your line and come front" "or step of your line and come front" which one is the correct one?
Step out from or step of ?
 
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04:24
> We haven't so far accounted for the burst of hydrogen chloride formed if there isn't much water present.

All that happens is that because of the heat produced in the reaction and the concentration of the solution formed, hydrogen ions and chloride ions in the mixture combine together as hydrogen chloride molecules and are given off as a gas.
Should it not be "All what happens"?
 
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06:14
All that happens (is that) because of the heat produced ...()unnecessary...
 
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Anonymous
07:24
@CowperKettle No, what can't be used that way in Standard English.
Anonymous
@V.V. The part you've marked in parentheses is necessary.
Hi Snail. What about using All without that:
All happens is that ....
@M.A.R. Hello! Are you there?
Yep
I mean as an independent pronoun.
07:27
@Cardinal No, all that happens . . .
@M.A.R. Why? all is a pronoun; what's the problem?
It's a determiner there, I think
So it's like saying "the is a good person" instead of "the accountant is a good person"
A different "all" is "all is good"
Or "all's well that ends well"
all matters is that all is a pronoun!
:-)
@M.A.R. Hope you won't get bothered if I ask a silly question. You have helped me a lot and i really appreciate the way you people have helped. Today, I read a sentence on quora which reads like this - "Is it true that women avoid eating bananas in public?" Now if I rephrase the sentence as "Is it true that women avoid eating a banana in public?"
@Cardinal No, that's ungrammatical
07:32
Do both the sentence mean the same or not?
Lexical and syntactic categories are different, my friend
@M.A.R.
Anonymous
You can't remove that.
@iamRR Yes, they do. Could you put the link to the quora question here?
@iamRR I think the plural form is more sensible. It conveys a sense of generality!
Anonymous
07:33
I agree.
@Cardinal @snailplane Yes, even i think the same.
@M.A.R. You say that that something is a pronoun does not mean we can always use them as a pronoun in a sentence. ?
'a banana' sounds somewhat unnatural to me. It looks to me as if the sentence mean that it refers to some particular banana. Isn't it?
@iamRR It's unnatural, yes. But a possible replacement. Native speakers of English are unlikely to phrase it that way, ever.
@iamRR Yep
However, the google search among the books is considerable. 393 for "all matters is that".
07:39
@Cardinal On the internet, nobody knows you're not a native speaker.
@M.A.R. - As you say that it's a possible replacement. Do you mean to say that 'a banana' in the sentence mean all bananas in general or does it mean that the sentence refers to just one particular banana ?
@iamRR There's a difference between what's allowed in a language, and what's really used by its fluent speakers. There are multitudes of phrasings that are possible in some context but a fluent speaker isn't likely to ever use them
> You can do this with a computer.

This conveys a sense of generality, too. However, it's different from:

> Computers are playing a key role in our everyday life.
So it's unlikely that you'd hear a native speaker of English say that sentence with "a banana"
But it might, in that context, refer to all bananas
Or it might not, and it would refer to one particular banana, then
07:50
@M.A.R. - So if I randomly ask a question with a sentence " Is it true that women avoid eating a banana in public"? What would you make of it? Will you instinctively think that it is referred to all bananas in general or will you think that it is referred to just one particular banana? Or will you think that the phrasing of the question just sound so unnatural?
@iamRR I'd think you meant all bananas
Wait
No, I'd think you meant one anonymous banana
Sorry, I'm a bit distracted.
Watching NCIS
So 'a banana' can never express generality in that sentence. Right?
@iamRR yeah you can say that
Hmm
What if the sentence is - "Is it true that a woman avoids eating bananas in public"? Here 'a woman' means one anonymous woman or does it express all women in general?
@iamRR A woman in general.
Personally I would say, is it true that women avoid eating bla la la ... 0:-)
08:02
@Cardinal - So the sentence "Is it true that a woman avoids eating bananas in public" and the sentence "Is it true that women avoid eating bananas in public" sound the same. But the sentence "Is it true that women avoid eating bananas in public" and the sentence "Is it true that women avoid eating a banana public" don't sound the same. Right?
08:23
@snailplane Ah, thank you. I've reread it, and it looks okay
08:40
Isn't "scared" here an adjective? I don't think it's a passive voice ell.stackexchange.com/a/128290/35026
09:09
@iamRR I guess so.
@Cardinal Okay!
 
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11:43
@iamRR Hm...
Here it says "The Indefinite Generic refers to the Definition of a species, that is, those properties that are absolutely necessary for anything to be a member. It doesn't work as the subject of any predicate that isn't definitional. But with a definitional property, it's certainly true for any member."
In A woman avoids eating bananas in public, the subject is an Indefinite Generic, and whatever is predicated of it should be included in the very definition of woman. Does a woman definitionally avoid eating bananas in public? I'd say no.
QED, haha.
@user178049 You need an article before definite article here. :>
@user178049 I would agree.
12:12
@userr2684291 damn, SE should allow people to edit a comment after 5 minutes
What do we call a person who hates to be loved?
@user178049 @M.A.R. talked about this, but I don't think I remember their explanation re comments.
@user178049 The main idea was that comments are unimportant, so why do you even care about editing them, or some BS explanation like that.
12:30
Hello!!
Anonymous
Good morning :-)
@userr2684291 What is BS? Is that bullshit? O.. o
Hello
Yeah, haha.
@user178049 I know words. I have the best words.
@userr2684291 What?
12:39
@user178049 Trump said that. It's ironic because I don't know what other word to use.
what does this sentence actually mean i didn't quite understand it ?
@userr2684291 hahaha
@EngFan I think it literally means I didn't understand it.
@user178049 Not quite.
hmm
You didn't understand it completely. Maybe.
12:49
Yeah.
@user178049 : thought so ..but not sure ..
@user178049 What's amusing is that in positive sentences, in BrE, quite means "fairly", and in AmE it means "very".
@user178049 There's also this useful guide: cheeptalk.files.wordpress.com/2013/02/…
13:13
@userr2684291 Thanks
13:52
@userr2684291 his
14:07
Hi...
Everyone! How are you
What is the correct way of commanding students in assembly conduction, "step out from your line "and come front" "or step of your line and come front" which one is the correct one?
Step out from or step of ?
Please help me!
None of them seem natural to me
What are you trying to convey?
14:43
@userr2684291 This is always a good read: blog.codinghorror.com/rate-limiting-and-velocity-checking
CC @user178049
When there are limits, you can always assume it's because someone abused a feature
And people do it because they can
15:10
Can we use were here? "If Rome were built in a day, we would have used the same contractor"
15:34
@CowperKettle I guess English teachers would suggest using had been instead. (^_^)
@DamkerngT. yeah, but are grumpy translation proofreaders like English teachers?
That's the million-dollar question
:D
This is weird. Ellbot can't log into SE!
o.o
Good excuse
How is Chembot?
@DamkerngT. on a sick leave
15:44
Ahh
I wonder if SE changed anything.
There are two parts of authentication. OpenId and StackExchange. It passes OpenId fine, but fails on StackExchange login.
> Unable to log in with your OpenID provider
Hah!
Oh, maybe it's the HTTP vs HTTPS thing.
Ahh
Okay, problem fixed!
16:10
Is there a good uncluttered description of the synthesis of methanol from carbon monoxide and hydrogen, I wonder
The mechanism must be curious
@M.A.R. I thought he was a poor leaving group
:0)
(0:
I found some PDFs behind paywalls on this mechanism. I'm too lazy and have too little time
I wish there was an answer with a simple mechanism on Chem SE
17:12
Hi@DamkerngT.
Hi@DamkerngT.
22. You can’t have an apple, and you can’t have an orange ————.
(A) also (B) either (C) neither
Hi @M.A.R.
How are you?
I am not able to answer this question
@user62015 Hi
@user62015 B
You are right but any explain please
Negative sentence
17:16
V.V.'s right on track
Because we have can't so we can't use neither here right?
It already contains something negative
@user62015 yep
Hi guys!
Yes so neither does not make sense here
But either should give us a choice
But we don't have any choice here
As it says you can't
"Either " has several meanings.
17:20
Okay
Why don't you look it up in the dictionary?
Okay. 8
I will thanks
either
adverb UK ​ /ˈaɪ.ðər/ /ˈiː.ðər/ US ​ /ˈiː.ðɚ/ /ˈaɪ.ðɚ/

B1 used in negative sentences instead of "also" or "too":
I don't eat meat and my husband doesn't either.
"I've never been to the States." "I haven't either."
Lets do it together.
Here you are.
18:10
My husband's just workin part-time down to the Sunoco. He twin to get work in the Ford plant, but they ain't hirin right now.
Can anyone tell me what does "twin" stand for?
18:23
Hello!!
we haven't received any response since a long time - is this grammatical ?\
I think it should be for instead of since ..
Hi, me too.
But wait for native speakers.
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A: He {speaks/has spoken} German since a long time

Victor BazarovThe sentence as written uses the verb speak in Present Indefinite Tense. What tense to use depends on what exactly the statement is trying to convey. It is a bit difficult to discern the intended meaning from the sentence written. If the non-native speaker wants to say that "he" is capable of ...

@EngFan Yeah, it should be for instead of since.
Anonymous
18:47
Today I noticed that we have a tag, but no tag.
19:00
@userr2684291 : thanks!
19:31
@EngFan Or in...
Not sure if you've all seen this but it's a fun 25 question quiz to help non-native English speakers determine if they're ready to take the Cambridge English Exam. I see a lot of common pitfalls in the test that many EFL/ESL users make.
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@EngFan I also wouldn't use "any"... We haven't received a response from you in a long time
19:51
@Catija : would you please explain why you won't use any ?
@EngFan Just wouldn't... I'd be more likely to use "any" with something plural. "I don't have any cats" vs "I don't have a cat".
I don't know if that's a "rule" though.
hmm
This seems to imply that it's good for plural or indeterminate numbers of things... or uncountable nouns... "response" can be uncountable... so in your case it may be OK... but if it were something like "message", then it'd be clearly singular.
I actually used any to mean that i haven't received a single response from them
We're talking about personal preference... I just wouldn't use "any"...
I don't have any hard data... I'm not a linguist specialist. If you want a better answer... ask an actual question rather than polling people in chat.
20:00
@userr2684291 Hello!
@Catija : Thanks .
@iamRR Hi.
@userr2684291 Consider a sentence "Why does a woman hate eating bananas in public" ? Here 'a woman' means some unspecified woman or does it refer to all women in general?
Anonymous
Ambiguous, but most likely no one would say that sentence.
Consider another sentence - "I want to marry a guy firm Canada". Here 'a guy' refers to some unspecified guy or does it refer to all guys in general ?
@snailplane
20:16
@iamRR Clearly not all guys... only ones from Canada.
Again, it's ambiguous... context would probably tell you the answer. If the speaker is currently unattached and generally discussing preferences, they're probably talking about any guy from Canada... if they're dating someone and that person happens to be from Canada, they're probably talking about that person...
20:31
Suppose I am working on some initiative and someone asks me what's this initiative all about. I reply - "This initiative tries to help a student realise his/her potential". So here 'a student' means some unspecified student or does it refer to students in general ?
@Catija
20:50
Like with your first example, I don't think we would generally phrase it this way... it'd be common to say "This initiative tries to help students realize their potential".
If you really want to have it be singular, I think it'd be more common to say "This initiative tries to help each student realize their potential".
Anonymous
If I wanted to nitpick, I'd point out that a guy from Canada technically never refers to all guys from Canada. That is, you'd never say "I want to marry a guy from Canada" meaning that you want to marry all 18 million male Canadians.
Anonymous
It would always mean just one guy, but it could be non-specific, so that it could apply to any guy from Canada.
Anonymous
That is, it can mean that you want to marry someone, and whoever that person is, you want them to be from Canada. But you don't necessarily mean a specific person.
Anonymous
Also, if you don't mean someone specific, it's a very interesting life goal.
21:06
@iamRR Hm.
@iamRR I think that question is intrinsically wrong if a woman is a generic noun phrase because the answer is "no, she doesn't".
Or, technically, the answer would be "mu", haha.
@iamRR If you want to make it generic, use the plural. Then it'd be an overgeneralization, but acceptable.
@iamRR So I'd take it as a nonspecific woman. However, I'm having trouble coming up with a context to shore up the article choice.
21:48
I realized we actually have articles encoded in all adjectives in a way in my first language, and every adjective (as far as I know) has this property. Bijeli means "the white" and bijel means "a white". I wonder how I can use this to my advantage in English.
By this property, I meant that there are both versions of every adjective.
 
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23:17
Word of the day ingurgitate
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Good morning (if it were morning in your country)!
Anonymous
23:58
English barely has definiteness in adjectives. They aren't marked for it morphologically, but some have definiteness as a semantic property. Same, for example.
Anonymous
And that's not intrinsic to the meaning of same. French même does not have this property.

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