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Man_From_India

00:28

Q: Quick questions about pronouns in a sentence

I'm confused when it comes to writing the following: "..., I bought from my one of the sweet sweet friends" vs "...., I bought from one of my sweet sweet friends" Neither me or my partner is native in the English language. Could someone elaborate how I should think when it comes to using pronoun...

A very good elementary question, and I have no answer. I think there no no good answer either.

Anonymous

01:02

@Man_From_India Well, "my one of the sweet sweet friends" is grammatical but probably not what they want to say.

Man_From_India

01:13

@snailplane good morning Snail.

So there is a difference in meaning between "my one of the sweet friends" and "one of my sweet friends"?

Anonymous

Yes, definitely. The former is very unlikely to be felicitous.

Anonymous

First, you must have already mentioned sweet friends somewhere to license the. Second, my doesn't have the same range of meanings in that position. It sounds like you own one of the friends, which is strange.

Anonymous

So you would need quite an odd context for it to make sense, although it's grammatical.

Anonymous

I have a very strong suspicion that it's not what the OP intended to say :-)

Man_From_India

Please don't take it as an argument. But when the position of "my" changes from before "one" in "my one of the sweet friends" to after "of" in "one of my sweet friends", "my" still can mean a sense of "owening".

CowperKettle

01:28

> A trivet /ˈtrɪvᵻt/ is an object placed between a serving dish or bowl, and a dining table, usually to protect the table from heat damage.

I thought it was "try vet"

Curious

Anonymous

@Man_From_India Yes, it can. I agree with you. But it wouldn't normally be interpreted that way.

Anonymous

That's why I was talking about a difference in the range of meanings.

Man_From_India

Namaste @CowperKettle

CowperKettle

@Man_From_India Good morning, Man ji (0:

Man_From_India

@snailplane I really have trouble seeing the difference :(

CowperKettle

01:32

Oh, privet is also pronounced "pree vit**

Anonymous

@Man_From_India Hmm, well, we'd need a context where my one of the sweet friends makes sense, and that context is rather hard to invent.

Anonymous

Without a context it's difficult to say exactly how my would be interpreted, but I don't think it has the same interpretation available in that position.

Man_From_India

@snailplane I have to think about it with some time in hand. Thanks by the way :-)

CowperKettle

01:50

> Chaynik dolgo ne ostyvayet (Kettle long not cool down)
> Chaynik dolgo ostyvayet (Kettle long cool down)

These two sentences mean exactly the same in Russian

"It takes long for the kettle to cool down"

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Man_From_India

04:03

@snailplane Regarding our previous discussion about modifier and determiner, it's true that a determinitive functions as determiner and that is very different from modifiers. But there are few determinitive that are modifiers.

> All the foods are spoiled.

Here determinitive all is an external modifier.

> Those six boys are very naughty.

Here determinitive six is an internal modifier.

But in both cases the and those are determiner (function).

Man_From_India

04:21

And as for appositive modifier, they only occur in NP structure.

CowperKettle

05:09

> The volume of culture fluid after the 3rd cycle of filtration is 1003 L. Limits: 920-1000 L. The deviation was detected upon examination of the Batch Record.

I wonder if we really use the word "limits" here. I mean, is it the most often-used word.

Or maybe we use "specified range" or something like that.

I'm not sure how to pose a question about this on ELL

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V.V.

07:31

Funny. "Trivet " has three legs. "tri" is three, I think. Vet is from Latin "ped" (a leg), they say. The pronunciation hasn't changed through years.

CowperKettle

07:45

Indeed!

> three-legged iron stand, 12c., trefet, probably from a noun use of Latin tripedem (nominative tripes) "three-footed," from tri- "three" (see three) + pes "foot" (from PIE root *ped- "foot").

Таган

Таган — подставка для котла или иной посуды, позволяющая готовить пищу на открытом огне Таган в архитектуре — то же, что и кронштейн. Таган — село в Чановском районе Новосибирской области Таган — река в Новосибирской и Томской областях Таган — болото в Томском районе Томской области Таган, Атаджан — туркменский писатель Таган, Галимьян Гирфанович (1892—1948) — башкирский этнограф == Примечания… ==

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V.V.

09:32

Wow! It's the first time I don't see anyone here.

Summertime...

CowperKettle