Language Overflow

user178049

00:29

@Alex89 I'm Muslim. Don't dislike me :( . Those extremists create the worst misconception ever.

Good morning!

yubraj

01:27

Hi Good Morning!

Can I wipe the board? Or Can I clean the board? Or can I erase it? Beaing a teacher, Which one is correct to say in classroom?

Man_From_India

04:11

It's very sad to hear user78049, the way he said it.

Good morning :-)

skill patrol

05:17

Being a teacher, the correct way to say it is "May I erase the board?" You should use "May I" because you are asking for permission not "Can I" which means do you have the ability to @yubraj

user178049

05:27

@Man_From_India I'm fine. I take it easy :)

Alex89

07:46

Good morning to everyone. Last time I said "Good night" but after that I doubted if there was night in Thailand or not at that time. Maybe "Good bye" was a better choice.)

Cardinal

08:39

Hi guys.
Happy Nowrouz to you all.

Hey @CowperKettle I didn't know that about Russia:

brightside.me/wonder-curiosities/…

(^_^)/

CowperKettle

09:06

Happy Nowrouz, @Cardinal!

M.A.R.

@Cardinal Happy Nowruz!

@Alex89 Hullo Alex, welcome to our chat!

CowperKettle

Happy Nowruz, Mamad!

M.A.R.

Happy Nowruz to you too

CowperKettle

paeez

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Does he have a song about Nowruz?

M.A.R.

09:22

A lot, but I dunno if either of them have a YouTube link

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal Happy Nowruz! @M.A.R., too.

@Alex89 AFAIK, it's fine to use a Goodnight (or Good night) on parting, even though it's not the bedtime.

Aww... an OP just deleted their question, after I pointed out that I can't find the word marshall in my favorite dictionaries.

Cardinal

@CowperKettle I'm not sure I will check that up. :-)

@DamkerngT. Thanks, have a great year ahead.

Damkerng T.

You too!

Cardinal

09:40

@M.A.R. I found this:

Kourosh Yaghmaei - Norooz نوروز - کوروش یغمایی

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@CowperKettle

Hmmm. It's not a rock-music-thing though.

Man_From_India

09:58

Happy Nawruz. But it was on 22nd, right?

M.A.R.

10:09

BTW, @Alex now that you're pingable here, it's much more convenient to ask questions like the ones you do on meta.ELL here instead. The questions might come off as too trivial to ask on meta if you keep asking them. Chat is a much better venue, with easy-going people that don't get bothered by most types of questions, and knowledgeable people too.

userr2684291

10:37

0

Q: What is the meaning of the sentence below ? Could we use "could have got" instead of "could have had" in the sentence below?

Anyone using WhatsApp through their desktop browser could have had their messages silently snooped on and their accounts completely hijacked in the last two years, security researchers warned Wednesday. Thanking you Scottish

grammar

I forgot the syntax for tags.

In my proposed edit, I tagged the question with causative-have, even though snailplane said it's actually a case of adversative have: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/24938?m=36116077#36116077

I might be wrong, though, and someone should correct this if they know how. (:

I mean, I'm definitely in the wrong, but maybe it can be tagged with it anyway.

Heh, @StoneyB, PaPpl. "I have a PaPpl. I have a PrPpl. Uh! PaPpl-PrPpl!" — Teacher KSHuang 9 mins ago

CowperKettle

11:03

@Cardinal Thanks!

V.V.

11:21

@Alex89 "to" means "causing a particular feeling" . To my amazement (к)

!!wiki/Nowruz

Ellbot

Nowruz

Nowruz (Persian: نوروز‎‎ Nowruz; [nouˈɾuːz]; literally "New Day") is the name of the Iranian New Year, also known as the Persian New Year, which is celebrated worldwide by the Iranians and Turkic peoples, along with some other ethno-linguistic groups, as the beginning of the New Year. It has been celebrated for over 3,000 years in Western Asia, Central Asia, the Caucasus, the Black Sea Basin and the Balkans. It marks the first day of the first month (Farvardin) in the Iranian calendar. Nowruz is the day of the vernal equinox, and marks the beginning of spring in the Northern Hemisphere. It usually...

V.V.

11:38

@M.A.R., congratulations.

M.A.R.

For entering the new year?

userr2684291

@M.A.R. I'm proud of you.

Damkerng T.

12:29

This Wikipedia page should be helpful: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_NP_shift — Damkerng T. 1 min ago

Hopefully useful.

Alex89

14:09

So quiet in chat now. Is anybody present?

user178049

14:52

http://ell.stackexchange.com/a/123349/35026

Hey, are the phonetic symbols I use here correct. I copied it from American Heritage book, I pasted it, it became different.

M.A.R.

16:27

@Alex89 Now I am present

Alex89

Nice to meet you, M.A.R. I would be glad to talk to any good person.)

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Nice to meet you too!

!!/alive

Hmm . . .

Alex89

Could I ask where are you from? (I am from Moldova)

M.A.R.

I'm from Iran.

Alex89

I see you have a chemical formula at your avatar. May I ask which substance it represents... just a little bit curious)

M.A.R.

16:44

@Alex89 Ascorbic acid, vitamin C

Alex89

Oh, I see. Thanks.

I am quite a newbie here. I participate at StackExchange from 13 March (my birthday).

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Everyone was a newbie here at some point

Alex89

I'm so sorry for my yesterday replic(( I said that I somehow dislike countries of West Asia. Please forgive me if it's possible. I really did not know why I even said that.(

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Nah, it's okay.

I've seen people equate Middle East to wars.

That's natural for someone who's not really here to know what's going on.

Alex89

I think every nation has good people. But I am a person who does not like people very much, including of my own nation. I do not know exactly how it is called in English, a misanthrope or an introvert? But I really love beautiful women.

M.A.R.

17:00

@Alex89 'misanthrope' is a bit extreme

But seems to fit how you define it

Alex89

I am here mainly for badges. I have earned 21 bronzes.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Heh, people usually are trying different features to get the badges in the beginning

If hang out for a while, you'll see the communication is more worthwhile than the badges.

And the badges have no use except some boost in mod elections.

Alex89

I am a little surprised that there are no penalties from the system for plagiarism: ell.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/3480/…. At the site where I had participated earlier, there are penalties from the site's robot. If you copy the text from Internet and then paste it in your answer, you'l soon get a minus from the system itself. And seven minuses will cause a one-day ban.

M.A.R.

!!greet/Mesentery

Ellbot

Welcome to ELL's chat room @Mesentery! Happy chatting!

M.A.R.

17:09

@Alex89 Well, considering the pool of sites out there, the system couldn't trust a bot to do it, and it turned out users handle plagiarism fine enough by downvoting, commenting etc. Some of the plagiarisms are honest mistakes too.

And if someone gets their posts downvoted often, they're in danger of being banned.

Mesentery

@M.A.R. Once more thanks. I have seen u at many chatrooms, Biology, chemistry and now ell:)

M.A.R.

And this ban isn't one-day. It's forever.

@Mesentery I know, right? I should get a life

Mesentery

:)

Is the bot not present in Bio. I have not seen anybody use it.

@M.A.R.

M.A.R.

@Mesentery Nope, only on Chem's chat

Alex89

I am glad I can edit here my questions which have answers. I understand I can only make minor edits, but it's fine. I don't make major edits at questions) But sometimes I need to correct a spelling mistake or two. Also I am happy that I can edit my answers even if they have comments. At my site there is quite a stupid rule: you cannot edit any answer which has any number of comments different from zero...

M.A.R.

17:19

@Alex89 What site is that? I guess it's okay in forums

Or fora. Whatever

Alex89

It's a Russian site, called Большой Вопрос (Big question, or Great question). It is commercial. I do not post my questions and answers there anymore, but I still have some money from it.

I decided to leave because of a very fat troll. He is our headache.

In the place of questions, a crazy person daily posts some shitty material with offensive words. Bans do not help.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Heh, ''very fat''?

@Alex89 Well, the site needs SmokeDetector, huh.

goo.gl/eLDYqh

Alex89

Every time that man posts his crap moderators put a permanent ban on him. But he changes his accounts as gloves. I asked the users why is it so, why such a nice site is spoiled so badly. They said me the moderators cannot get rid of him because of changing IP (or floating... don't really know). I'm not a pro at this. I only have a very modest knowledge of computers.

Another cause why I left is because of too many similar questions in a row. E. g.: "What will be the weather in Los Angeles tomorrow?" "What will be the weather in San Francisco tomorrow?" "What will be the weather in Sacramento tomorrow?" from the same person in about 10 minutes. These questions can occupy entire page. I hope at Stack Exchange must be some rules that prohibit such behaviour.

userr2684291

17:41

@Alex89 Why do they ask these questions?

Alex89

They earn money

from them

userr2684291

@Alex89 You earn money by asking questions?

Alex89

I earn a little. But I do not ask too many similar or boring questions. But other people do.

The deal is that the more popular the question is, the more views it has and the more money it collects. And stupid questions have more views. I mean in Russia. Maybe at you the situation is different.

userr2684291

@Alex89 Sounds like such a naive system to abuse.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Yes, there are such rules. Give a read to The Complete Rate-limiting Guide ColleenV linked below your meta post. And there's a chatbot called SmokeDetector who detects such posts fast for us to flag

The pro, and as some believe, con, of the SE model is its moderation-oriented, not content-oriented.

Alex89

17:49

Thanks. M. A. R. I am sorry if I do not understand all of the English words... you know, I'm not a native. But be sure I read your posts. I am glad to talk about our site.

M.A.R.

Meh, my posts aren't that stellar :)

Alex89

I see Stack Exchange has Fanatic and Electorate. We have them too. They're very nice badges.

I remember I had some troubles with Fanatic (at my site). I wonder if at Stack Exchange it is necessary to visit the site from the same computer, or I can visit it from different computers and stiil have it. In the latter case I will be more glad.)

M.A.R.

The details are a bit fuzzy, but you gain Fanatic by visiting two pages on the site.

Probably logging in isn't enough.

And it being the same computer doesn't matter

userr2684291

@M.A.R. Why do they insist on casting votes on questions?

M.A.R.

18:06

@userr2684291 Question upvotes used to gain the same amount of rep as answer upvotes -- +10. Then they reduced it to +5 because answers are more important.

userr2684291

Obviously...

M.A.R.

Then there was felt a need to emphasize how good questions are worth having, hence the badges and stuff

Alex89

we have +1 for question and +7 for answer at our site... and you appreciate it a bit greater)

M.A.R.

Holy crap

That's too extreme

But I guess it makes more sense in a paid system.

Still, your system sounded weird and ridiculous

Alex89

I mentioned that we have both reputation and credits. A credit is worth about 1.333 cents. But you could put a bounty on any question, not less than five credits. And the maximum is not limited. You could put 1,000,000 if you had.

And we gain some reputation from some of the badges. E. g. Fanatic gives +300 reputation. There are also badges which give credits, but they are rare.

M.A.R.

18:24

Downvoted thingy of the day:

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Q: Why is it not ok to respond to an invalid argument without getting the thread locked?

I've given a valid argument as to why a comment on my thread isn't correct, and my argument was simply deleted and my thread locked. This isn't right. @BoltClock♦︎ You need to provide me a reason for deleting my argument, but not the offensive non constructive comment too. http://stackoverflow....

support

userr2684291

@Alex89 I don't think badges give any reputation here.

Catija

@userr2684291 They do not.

userr2684291

They're part of the gamification attempt, I suspect, but I really don't see any benefits.

Alex89

You are right.)) I spoke about our marsh.

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Oh you have no idea how hard people try to get 'em shiny badgez

Robo-reviewing . . . Getting suspended . . . Robo-reviewing again . . . Getting suspended again . . .

Rinse and repeat.

userr2684291

18:33

@M.A.R. Well, @Alex89 is a good case in point, haha.

M.A.R.

Some folks on SO have been review-suspended 30 times

Or prolly even more.

userr2684291

@M.A.R. I'm not certain as to what you're referring.

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Mods can disallow people from reviewing.

Robo-reviewing is reviewing like a robot -- Blindfoldedly clicking 'No action needed', for instance

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Q: Robo-reviewers on ELL

Occasionally, Stack Exchange receives suggested edits that replace a valid answer with spam. One particular answer on ELL has received this treatment fifty-two times (1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 45 46 ...

discussion

userr2684291

@M.A.R. I see what you mean. I once attempted to review an answer, but as I wasn't quite sure what to do, I chose the get-the-hell-outta-here option. That was probably my only chance to do so, though, because the review queue appears to be empty most of the time.

Alex89

I am a little bit confused about editing at Stack Exchange. The privileges table tells us that I can edit questions and answers only starting at 2,000 points of reputation. Now I have only 409 points, but I already had access to editing some questions, including not mine... Oh, never mind, I got it. Until 2,000 points I can edit, but it will need a peer review. And after 2,000 I will be able to edit without peer review.

M.A.R.

18:41

@userr2684291 Pssht, I have a billion rash reviews prolly

@Alex89 Oh, you can edit all posts except locked ones. Your edit is placed in a queue so people either approve or reject it.

userr2684291

@M.A.R. Haha, I don't wanna be responsible, I guess.

M.A.R.

But after 2,000 rep, your edits take effect immediately, and you don't gain rep for your edits, because no one is approving/rejecting them anymore.

You're trusted to make good edits.

Alex89

and could you tell me what is a review. It is different from editing?..

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Review suspensions are reserved for the most extreme cases, like clicking 'No action needed' for an obvious spam, or 'looks OK' for a rude/abusive post

If done a lot, mods can ping SE staff to enable audits.

@Alex89 ell.stackexchange.com/review

It's a bunch of queues where high-rep users check potentially problematic posts and moderate them.

userr2684291

Oh, my, there's an actual post that needs to be reviewed!

Alex89

18:45

@M.A.R. thanks. Sorry, I do not like queues in real life at all.)

userr2684291

skips.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 It's not mandatory to review

But it helps the site get better

Alex89

@M.A.R. understood. Maybe I will make a few reviews, let's say about five.

When I get 500 points of course.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 It has badges! ;)

Alex89

I know)

I also wonder when do you have elections. I want Caucus and Constituent.)

M.A.R.

18:51

@Alex89 The time for when elections are held never becomes obvious, except right before the election, to site moderators

Usually it happens when mods of a site request for some help, I hear.

Alex89

I thought they are in August

M.A.R.

Nah, they can happen at any time of the year

Usually they choose a time with some good exposure, or avoid times with low traffic

Alex89

I have plenty of free time, so I will be here every day unless my computer breaks (breaks down?)

Catija

Unless a site needs more moderators because a mod wants to step down or the traffic has increased and the current mods aren't able to manage their work, they won't hold another election. Elected moderators serve for "life" - essentially, until they get tired of the job and step down.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Yay! ''Outspoken'' needs some dedication though. Usually you hang out for a few months before you get it

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Alex89

18:56

Oh, I finally understood what is "starred"))) There is a star at right of each message in chat.

I think my first silver will be Civic Duty.

M.A.R.

Hmm, or 'enthusiast'.

Your first gold will be either 'Fanatic', or 'Electorate'.

But please vote responsibly -- We need more advanced learners like you to judge posts based on their merit

There's a lot of bad voting going on, most of which is because someone either wants a badge or don't know if the post is bad.

Alex89

OK, I understand this.)

and what is "zero score accepted answers"

M.A.R.

Your answer should get accepted, and remain with a score (Upvotes - downvotes) of 0 for some time.

Alex89

OK, perfectly clear now

M.A.R.

Some people complained that they don't get credit for their nice answer because they hang out in lowly populated tags on SO that don't see much votes

Alex89

19:05

I see you have Fanatic, Electorate and Steward at English Language Learners.

So you made at least 1,000 reviews.

M.A.R.

Yep, more than 1000 close votes.

That link to review I left here, you can click on it and see top reviewers.

Alex89

But I am confused Steward is multiple. You have one but it is possible to have more.

M.A.R.

Which is how I find out I have 1,198 reviews.

@Alex89 Yes, because there are more than one review queues

Alex89

I am also a little confused since here are many accounts. Each theme has its own account. E. g. I love board games, but I cannot post it at any other "room", only at board games.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 It's not themes, it's different sites and different chatrooms, different design.

Different beta sites have the same theme because they're public beta and their custom design is not out yet.

Alex89

19:14

why so?.. wouldn't it be better to create one single site

CowperKettle

Умка - "Время на твоей стороне"

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I recorded this today

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Low quality, shaky camera

M.A.R.

@Alex89 I might know a bit about board games, but I have no knowledge of Bitcoin. It doesn't make sense to put the questions about both topics in a single site

Alex89

OK, perhaps you are right.

V.V.

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Q: I feel loved. What part of speech is 'loved' here?

What part of speech is 'loved' here? I think it is adverb. Adverbs help us to know the: when, where, why, how, and to what degree. In this sentence, the loved asks the question, How did he feel? He feel loved. The loved modifies the verb feel. Dictionary says loved is an adjective. I kno...

parts-of-speech grammaticality-in-context

A good answer.

M.A.R.

@V.V. That's Arau alright

V.V.

19:25

Yes.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 I'm definitely right. I'm always right. ᕙ(⇀‸↼‶)ᕗ

Alex89

Is there a way to get Mortarboard without any penalties? I want it very much))

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Why penalties? O.o

And of course there is. You just need some good answers everyday. Or answer some clickbait HNQ crap.

Alex89

what is HNQ

M.A.R.

I lost my heat, but when I hadn't, I earned 200 with a few good answers everyday. Say, 4 or 5.

@Alex89 Hot Network Questions

stackexchange.com/questions?tab=hot

Questions showed in the sidebar of every Stack Exchange site that have attracted a lot of views and votes

They're usually clickbait and of poor quality, because popular is usually not the best content a site can provide

userr2684291

19:31

I answered one such question recently.

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 Doom on you

userr2684291

I honestly didn't know that would happen; I answer what I can.

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 It's sometimes hard to predict it, yeah

Mar 6 at 20:15, by M.A.R.

WHY DOES EVERY FRIGGING THING I ANSWER MAKE IT TO HNQ I'M SO SICK OF IT

Therefore you are.

Alex89

May I ask if here are women users. I mean if they are among some of the top users of English Language Learners.

M.A.R.

@Alex89 Sure there are. Snailplane is one such user

And Catija.

Alex89

19:37

Snailplane and Catija. Thanks a lot.))

userr2684291

Actually, I think what I can answer (which is usually an easy question) can be an indicator that the question will reach HNQ, but I don't wanna claim prescience.

M.A.R.

@userr2684291 It's usually not about what you can answer, but what you can trust yourself to answer accurately.

userr2684291

That's what I mean.

M.A.R.

Some people set that bar too low, and they gain a ton of rep in no time.

Which is a bit annoying for cooler users like us.

I'm cooler though.

userr2684291

Ugh... never mind, someone already addressed it in the comments.

Word of the day: clay feet

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M.A.R.

20:05

> Definition of clay feet
: feet of clay

Thank you very much. I had not known.

userr2684291

@M.A.R. Well, you probably didn't, just like I didn't, because idioms can be like that. It's useful to know both alternatives.

CowperKettle

20:20

Умка "Joshua Fit the Battle of Jericho"

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Russian accent (0:

> Early published versions include some parts in dialect, such as "fit" for "fought". The lyrics allude to the biblical story of the Battle of Jericho, in which Joshua led the Israelites against Canaan (Joshua 6:15-21).

Умка - "Стрекоза и Муравей"

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This one is called "Dragonfly and Ant", after the famous fable

Her texts are Dylanesque

in a Russian way

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