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Man_From_India

02:18

@snailplane I noticed we don't have a proper tag for relative words, I mean those that sits at the per-nuclear position of a relative construction. We need a good tag for this.

Færd

02:57

When people say "The climate has changed before!" ...

CowperKettle

03:30

@Færd nice!

Færd

Yeah. :<(

CowperKettle

03:50

I should go and vote.. A sunny day today

nice! night ultrashort 5km marathon in Yekaterinburg

They all ran with headlights

When I returned home at 23:00, there were a couple of guys jogging in the park near home.

CowperKettle

04:08

Morning, V.V.

CowperKettle

04:22

> Monosodium phosphate (MSP), also known as anhydrous monobasic sodium phosphate and sodium dihydrogen phosphate, is an inorganic compound of sodium with dihydrogen phosphate (H2PO4−) anion. One of many sodium phosphates(such as NaPO3), it is a common industrial chemical. It exists as an anhydrous salt, as well as mono- and dihydrates.

Should not it be "one of the many"?

Færd

04:46

@CowperKettle Logically, yes, it should. But one of many seems to be an idiom. It has 2500+ instances in COCA, including:

> He's also one of many Republicans thinking of running for president.

> This is one of many fights going on.

> One of many someones from her distant past.

That certainly is not to say one of the many is unidiomatic.

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Why can't I find want something of somebody among the phrasal verbs under want in any dictionary? It sounds so familiar, and is not out of use: books.google.com/ngrams/…

V.V.

05:26

@CowperKettle Morning. I did that translation.

One of the numerous may be.

CowperKettle

@V.V. Congratulations!

V.V.

Or numerous.

V.V.

05:47

Trying to answer the questions on the main sight.

Cardinal

06:38

@P. E. Dant I think the book is Cambridge Advanced Grammar In Use, Unit 77, Section B, page 154, Martin Hewings, third Edition. — Cardinal 1 min ago

CowperKettle

07:27

@V.V. "the questions" or just "questions"? ^_^

Good afternoon, Snails!

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Q: Is 'subject-predicate form' to be used as countable or uncountable noun?

What question would be more correct: 'What is subject-predicate form?' 'What is a subject-predicate form?' 'What is the subject-predicate form?'

I wonder if your "Alf in pog form" applies here, Snails.

I would say

> What is "subject-predicate form"? (with quotation marks, no article)

Or

> What is the subject-predicate form? (without quotation marks, the definite article as a marker of genericity)

Stack Exchange

09:04

1

Q: Is "I was slept when he came back... " grammatical?

I was slept when he came back to the home. The above statement has three verbs in the past tense. was = is slept = sleep came = come My question is: Can I use all these past tenses in a sentence like this? If it's correct what about the below statement? I did not go there In this ...

grammaticality past-tense adjectives

Pandya

09:32

Naam is Sanskrit word which refers to Name in English. So, I just want to know Is English word Name derived from Sanskrit word Naam?

CowperKettle

> A published research article describes various characteristics pertaining to patients admitted with pneumonia, inclusive of the gender, age, history of smoking and history of prior admission for pneumonia. (is this "exclusive of" fully equal in meaning to "including"?)

@Pandya They are both derived from Proto-Indo-European

Pandya

@CowperKettle I've just search for it and found:

So, English is rooted in Indo-European right?

CowperKettle

09:49

@Pandya - right

@DEAD - do peek in once in a while..

I wonder which answer is the right one

Probably "cohort study"

Damkerng T.

10:10

Maybe a case series study.

@DEAD We miss you.

@Pandya naam is a Thai word, too. :)

If only Thai had borrowed all the words in all languages in the world...

(learning a second language would've been very easy for a Thai! :P)

V.V.

10:50

@CowperKettle some questions

GforOevOerD

Is this sentence correct? "Someone model should follow the latest trends in clothing."

CowperKettle

11:06

No.

It is borderline correct, if you assume "model" to be an adjective

But then it is odd.

I don't know what is your intended meaning.

A model of clothing should comply with the latest trends?

V.V.

@GforOevOerD What do you want to say?

@Cardinal that question was downvoted. And I hoped to read something about it.

Cardinal

11:41

@V.V. which question? very and very much?

And Hi

GforOevOerD

@CowperKettle I want to make a reduced relative clause sentence using the clause which my English book has given me: . . . Should follow latest trends in modeling. The book itself has given an example : Someone dreaming of a professional singer needs to take voice lessons.

Someone dreaming of becoming *a professional singer needs to take voice lessons.

@V.V. I posted it.

Cardinal

@GforOevOerD I didn't understand your question, though

You need two clauses, I cannot see them

Cardinal

12:04

I mean the reduced version and the original version

Damkerng T.

12:40

--Write Better, Speak Better, by Joseph Madappally.

> This is a compilation of common errors in English among Indian users and, as mentioned above, is a selection and adaptation of the column which the author had serialised in Career Deepika. The entries are done according to alphabetical order, with the main word of common error given in bold. The entries highlight the right sentence and the corresponding wrong use. Brief grammatical explanations are also given alongside to educate the reader on why one is right and the other is wrong. Sometimes, more examples are provided. Grammatical classes are marked out in groups, for instance, preposi…

cc @V.V., @Cardinal

On the other hand ...

> Upon these principles our author likewise explains a phenomenon, which is, at first, very much surprising.

> --The History and Present State of Discoveries Relating to Vision, Light, and Colours, by Joseph Priestley (1772)

> Neither is this struggle much surprising, if we consider, thatv for 14 or 15 years last post the hierarchy had been broken, the liturgy laid aside, ...

> --A Complete Collection of State Trials and Proceedings for High Treason and Other Crimes and Misdemeanors from the Earliest Period to the Year 1783, Volume 6

Conjecture: I suppose that most native speakers would find 'Thank you ever so very much' odd, though it'd be hard for them to dispute its grammaticality.

CowperKettle

Word of the day: envenomation

A 2-year old Rusian was hospitalized after a jellyfish sting in Thailand

Damkerng T.

Aww

CowperKettle

12:55

Chironex fleckeri

Chironex fleckeri, commonly known as sea wasp, is a species of deadly venomous box jellyfish found in coastal waters from northern Australia and New Guinea north to the Philippines and Vietnam. It has been described as "the most lethal jellyfish in the world", with at least 63 known deaths in Australia from 1884 to 1996. Notorious for its sting, C. fleckeri has tentacles up to 3 m (9.8 ft) long covered with millions of cnidocytes which, on contact, release microscopic darts delivering an extremely powerful venom. Being stung commonly results in excruciating pain, and if the sting area is significant...

Damkerng T.

I hope the kid is okay.

CowperKettle

Yes, it is okay

> In Australia, C. fleckeri has caused at least 64 deaths since the first report in 1883,[10] but most encounters appear to result only in mild envenomation.

Damkerng T.

Phew!

CowperKettle

The news article says that there used to be just 1 regular flight from Yekaterinburg to Thailand, and now it is 17

or "there are 17"

Damkerng T.

Yay!

CowperKettle

12:57

Ah, they mean "per year" probably. But still better than one flight

Damkerng T.

I think either is fine.

@CowperKettle nods

CowperKettle

When I studied on courses, a student girl said that she had been in Thailand and took a ride on an elephant.

The elephant rider sang a Russian song.

He memorized the song.

Damkerng T.

LOL

Nice!

@CowperKettle The elephant might speak Russian! :P

@CowperKettle That makes me curious about the song.

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. That tour guide changed one word though

Wait..

Ой, мороз мороз - Oi, moroz moroz

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> Oh, frost, frost
Don't make me freeze
Don't make me freeze
And my horse beneath

Damkerng T.

Nice song!

CowperKettle

13:02

> Oh, frost, frost
Don't make me freeze
Don't make me freeze
And my elephant beneath (the tour guide sang)

Damkerng T.

:D

CowperKettle

(0:

horse is kon' in Russian, elephant is slon, so the meter fits perfectly

The song was written by a Russian singer Maria Morozova

The surname Morozova actually derives from "frost" (Moroz)

4-K

Is this sentence correct: I lost my documents during taking a trip to the museum.?

CowperKettle

@4-K no, "during taking" do not combine well

Damkerng T.

during a/my trip would be better.

CowperKettle

13:05

> I lost my documents during a trip to the museum.

4-K

but I checked on google and "during taking" is used :(

google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=%22during+taking%22

how would you say you lost something while you were like walking around in a building or fare or museum?

Damkerng T.

@4-K Try "during taking a trip" instead.

4-K

oh!

can you please explain why "during taking a trip" is wrong to the other alternatives?

@CowperKettle any rule or just doesn't sound right?

Damkerng T.

It's hard to say why. It sounds unidiomatic, though.

CowperKettle

7

Q: Should we always use "verb+ ing" structure after the verb "start"?

As far as I know, after the verb "Start" we should use verb + ing structure. For example: I have to start doing the exercises. What if we use the verb "start" in present continuous?Is is correct to say/write : I am starting doing the exercises. Or we should change it in the following way...

gerund complementation

> The horror aequi principle involves the widespread (and presumably universal) tendency to avoid the repetition of identical and adjacent grammatical elements and structures. —Gunter Rohdenburg, “Cognitive complexity and horror aequi as factors determining the use of interrogative clause linkers in English”, in Rohdenburg and B. Mondorf, Determinants of Grammatical Variation in English, 2003.

4-K

13:10

@CowperKettle will read it

CowperKettle

@4-K Okay

4-K

got it

Thanks @CowperKettle and @DamkerngT. :)

CowperKettle

It might be only obliquely related to your query, but I recalled that "horror aequi"

Тріо Маренич - Била мене мати

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(folk song of the day)

Damkerng T.

@4-K No problem!

CowperKettle

I'll try to translate the lyrics

Some time later

Now I need to review other's tests on Coursera

BBL

Cardinal

13:20

The relative pronoun can be omitted when it is the object in a defining clause.
The relative clause can be reduced to a participle phrase when the relative pronoun is subject of the relative clause.

Hmm, that sounds a little bit tricky! :-)

Damkerng T.

Aww... That wordbank is kinda cute! :P

Good morning! @StoneyB

@Cardinal Fortunately, the usage is more intuitive than the description!

Cardinal

:-) word bank with tusk

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal Hee :-)

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. exactly.

Damkerng T.

13:43

There's no mistake in typing. Maybe the author of the local book "The Fundamental Aspects of Communication Skills", Dr. P Prasad has gone crazy and made errors. I could not find any link to its page no. 82, examples no. 29 and 30. — Anubhav Singh 9 mins ago

Ahh

That's why learning a second language is really hard.

A doctoral degree won't help much. (Personally, I think it's almost irrelevant.)

V.V.

@GforOevOerD A person dreaming of a professional carrier in modelling should follow the latest trends in clothing.Something like this.

CowperKettle

Yes, good comment, V.V.

@DamkerngT. I wonder why his question is downvoted then.

He just tried to understand why.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I don't know.

Man_From_India

Good evening guys.

Damkerng T.

Maybe the claim sounded very much unreasonable to the downvoters.

Man_From_India

13:49

I once had similar confusion and asked the same question on ELU.

> This looks very like what we had at our shooting party in November.

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Q: Confusion about "very" and "very much"

I have few confusions regarding the usage of very and very much. 1. From OALD I found this usage guide - It states that very can be used with past participles used as adjectives, but not with past participles that have a passive meaning. Now here comes the confusion. How to distinguish be...

grammar usage

But Anubhav's question should not be down-voted.

It might be that he didn't show much research behind his claims.

Damkerng T.

nods

I suppose many of our users consider proper citations as part of "research".

Understandably, these claims in the form of grammar rules sometimes are inexplicable.

@Man_From_India BTW, I added "is much like" to an Ngram chart in your question and it outnumbered all other alternatives!

Man_From_India

That shouldn't be the only case. Because you see he is already claiming that he found those sentences in a book. He mentioned the name of the book in his comments. But I agree that most books are not properly edited, especially the books Anubhav uses. Of course I should not comment about the quality of edit in this particular book Anubhav mentioned under this particular question, because I haven't seen this book myself. But I have seen other books he mentioned in his other questions.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India The comment came in rather late, I think. Just a few minutes ago.

Man_From_India

yes. I got a fine answer there. And it says " nGram shows is very much like to be more common currently than is very like, but before 1940 the reverse was the case.
"

Damkerng T.

nods

Man_From_India

13:59

And my original sentence was from a historical novel set against the backdrop of WW1. So it must be using the older expression, that's likely.

(oh reading my analysis there in that question. I can't believe I analyzed like what we had at our shooting party in November as an adverb phrase :( I am shocked that I used the term. Not only that I should have used Adjective Phrase)

Hi @Araucaria

Nice to see you after a long time.

Man_From_India

14:16

Very strange -

> He was very surprised by the news.

The book Anubhav reads says it's incorrect.

I think both very and very much can be used there.

And if both very and very much can be used, the usage note of Oxford's Advanced Learner's Dictionary should be doubted.

Anonymous

@Man_From_India But if that sentence is okay, it can't be a passive version of *The news very surprised him, as that active clause is ungrammatical. It must be a participial adjective in your example.

Anonymous

That is, very forces us to read surprised as a derived (deverbal) adjective, not as a verb form.

Anonymous

So the presence of a by-phrase doesn't always mean that you've got a passive clause on your hands.

Damkerng T.

I suppose that in our ELL question (ell.stackexchange.com/q/103834/3281), the author (Dr P Prasad) analyzed this surprised as a verb because of the by.

> Incorrect: He was very surprised by the news.
Correct: He was much surprised by the news.

Man_From_India

@snailplane Right. I was mistaken.

Damkerng T.

14:30

Even though for some reason I think He was very surprised by the news is okay. (And apparently two more ELL users share the same opinion.)

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. Looks like that is the case.

@DamkerngT. Count me in that list too :-)

Damkerng T.

Okay, apparently, three ELL users, four, including me. :D

Man_From_India

:-)

As snail mentioned, it's not a passive version. The surprised here is a participle adjective. And that's why very can be used with it. That's in line with the OALD usage note. My earlier doubt was plain wrong.

CowperKettle

14:46

I reviewed 4 tests on Coursera. Two English-name guys who cheated mercilessly by just copying the text of the article they needed to retell with their words. A girl with the surname Ng who fared much better. Finally, a someone with chinese characters for a name who replied with long, beautiful answers expressing his opinion in broken English.

Good evening all!

Man_From_India

Good evening Kettle.

CowperKettle

Namaste, Man ji!

Man_From_India

:-)

CowperKettle

(0:

How's the weather in Southeast India? (0:

They say this fall is good for mushroom picking

Man_From_India

It's too hot here in Kolkata. Too humid.

Air is polluted. News came about the alarming degradation of air quality.

CowperKettle

14:52

@Man_From_India Here, it is +10 C and rain, and dark already

Man_From_India

I wish I could settle there :-)

CowperKettle

To the Russian ear, Calcutta sounds very melodious, and Kolkata sounds awkward

Man_From_India

And ready Vampire/ghost story by the fireplace.

CowperKettle

(0:

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle It was originally Calcutta. Everyone preferred it, I think. But for some strange reason they changed it.

CowperKettle

14:54

@Man_From_India Does "Calcutta" sound better to you?

In fairy tailes I read as a kid, it was "Calcutta", thus the name has a fairy tale tinge to it for me

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle It does, I like it when foreigners pronounced it too. But I agree this Kolkata is much closer to the way Bengalis pronounce it.

CowperKettle

nods

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle That's life!

CowperKettle

nods

Man_From_India

This middle journey of everything is really boring. Only the start and the end is exciting. Life is no exception.

Damkerng T.

14:58

@Man_From_India Just make sure you're not in Saw or something similar. :P

Man_From_India

I wish I was a kid again. Got time to enjoy those fairy tales :-) Btw I'm not that old :P

Damkerng T.

:D

CowperKettle

I wander if there's a program that automatically detects photo orientation and rotates your photos 90 degrees to the right position

Man_From_India

@DamkerngT. My brain is working fine DT. I am not yet a psycho patient :D

I don't know how people tolerate such movies.

btw I found some good audio books in my mother tongue. I love audio books in bengali. I am listening to it every night these days :-)

CowperKettle

(0:

Man_From_India

15:02

And you know, it helps me to fall asleep so fast.

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India :D

Let's change the subject back to mushroom, then. :D

ยายฉิมเก็บเห็ด.MPG

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Man_From_India

:-)

Damkerng T.

ฝนตกหยิมหยิม ยายฉิมเก็บเห็ด

(lit.) It was drizzling. Granny Chim went pick mushroom. :D

CowperKettle

In Russian, Bengal Lights means this

@DamkerngT. A funny song, at last!

Damkerng T.

Hehe!

Man_From_India

15:05

@CowperKettle haha. These are fire crackers children use during Diwali.

CowperKettle

(0:

Man_From_India

What does it call in Russian?

@CowperKettle haha. These are fire crackers children use during Diwali.

CowperKettle

@Man_From_India Bengalskiye Ogni (Bengal Lights)

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle I like them! (Still like them. :D)

Man_From_India

But it's used all over India.

CowperKettle

15:06

> เพลงของ เตือนใจ บุญพระรักษา ครับ
I am reminded of the song of the treatment. (Google Translate)

Man_From_India

In bengali it is called "fulchuri" ("full* mean "flower". The lights are like flowers. "churi" I think it is because it's dropping)

@DamkerngT. What is it called there?

CowperKettle

> เพลงเก่ามากครับใครร้องหว่าไม่ได้ดูแผ่นครับ
Who sings the song so much I did not see the plate.
(Who sings the song so good, I can't see their name?)

Damkerng T.

@Man_From_India ไฟเย็น [fire-cold] (i.e., "cold fire")

Man_From_India

yay.

Damkerng T.

Let's reorganize the sentences! :D

> เพลงเก่ามากครับใครร้องหว่าไม่ได้ดูแผ่นครับ

> = เพลงเก่ามากครับ ใครร้องหว่า ไม่ได้ดูแผ่นครับ

> = Very old song! Who sang it? (I) didn't look at the vinyl.

Cardinal

15:10

@CowperKettle I didn't vote on that question

CowperKettle

Evening, Cardinal!

This downvoting of earnest questions is like envenomation to me.

I went to vote today, and the voting station was almost empty. In 2011, there were much more voters.

It was all very old ladies and gents.

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle How soon will the results come out?

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. But, I think learning a second language requires certifiable references!

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal And look at how good we really are!

CowperKettle

@DamkerngT. In several hours' time, but these "results" will be rigged in Putin's favor, that's why nobody went to vote in the first place.

Damkerng T.

15:18

@CowperKettle Ahh

Cardinal

@DamkerngT. :D

CowperKettle

After 2011, nobody believes that their vote will be counted.

Damkerng T.

@Cardinal :D

CowperKettle

As Stalin said, "It's not how people vote, it's who is counting the votes"

Damkerng T.

@CowperKettle That indeed counts (because they count!)

Cardinal

15:19

@CowperKettle Good evening. one of the downs was from Mari-Lou A and she mentioned the reason why she did that!

CowperKettle

@Cardinal Ah, okay

@DamkerngT. (0: Yes, it's a good wordplay in English

Cardinal

@CowperKettle :-) and :-( at the same time

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle Same story here. But surprisingly vote boots are always full here. Here we are forced to go and vote for them. Every party begs us to vote for them. You can't say "no" for they will do hard later. But you can vote for only one party. And no party is good.

CowperKettle

There are videos online showing how voting station workers stuff bunches of pre-filled forms in the voting boxes

@Man_From_India But if you don't vote, you are not punished?

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle Some years back my father was told that if I don't vote, they will cancel my voter card.

Cardinal

15:23

@CowperKettle This contention is so familiar cop!

CowperKettle

@Man_From_India Here, there are proposals to enforce voting, but thus far you can just skip all the elections

Anonymous

We have a phrase where I grew up: Vote early, vote often!

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CowperKettle

@Cardinal Is voting obligatory in Iran?

Man_From_India

I was outside home for many years. And I didn't vote, mainly I didn't find any good politicians here.

CowperKettle

@snailplane Good evening! Why "early"?

@Man_From_India My sister says that she likes the way the Indians are very politicized

I mean, the students in India are politically active etc.

StoneyB

15:24

Hi, guys!

CowperKettle

Good evening, @StoneyB!

Cardinal

@CowperKettle I prefer not to talk more, here. ! But, it's not obligatory.

@StoneyB Hi and good local position of the sun!

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle Except me :D Indians are very updated about what goes on in politics. Every day they read it in the newspaper, even if they don't read anything else. I am not like them :D

CowperKettle

Another photo of that dog

Her nickname is Sumka (bag, satchel, pouch etc)

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle When they don't get ob, they turn to these things. Horrible!

Cardinal

15:26

She has collar! Where was her owner?

CowperKettle

@Cardinal Her owner was nearby

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle Oh your sister studies here?

CowperKettle

@Man_From_India Yes, in JNU

Man_From_India

In Delhi, right?

CowperKettle

Yep. She already has a degree though.

StoneyB

15:29

@snailplane When I was growing up, and for about the next 60 years, it was Vote early, vote often, vote Daley.

Cardinal

@Man_From_India Something Strange, In Persian we say: Deh Lee rather Del-ee !

Man_From_India

Lots of political issues in JNU. Students can't tolerate such bad conditions. So they protest, but can't actually do much.

CowperKettle

Vote early and vote often

Vote early and vote often is a generally tongue-in-cheek phrase used in relation to elections and the voting process. Though rarely considered a serious suggestion, the phrase theoretically encourages corrupt electoral activity, but is used mostly to suggest the occurrence of such corruption. The phrase had its origins in the United States in the mid-19th century, and had an early appearance in Britain when a newspaper re-printed correspondence from an American solicitor. The phrase, however, did not find widespread use until the early 1900s when it was used in relation to the activities of organized...

@Man_From_India Yes, she told me of the protests.

She does not like though that there are many "communist" students

Man_From_India

@Cardinal Both pronunciation is used here. Deh Lee is used mainly by Bengalies.

Cardinal

nods

Man_From_India

15:31

@CowperKettle Russia is also communists.

I mean their political ideology is.

CowperKettle

@Man_From_India Here "communists" are mainly old ladies and gents

Man_From_India

@CowperKettle ok

CowperKettle

@Man_From_India Young people here do not believe in communistm at all

In India, students still believe in it because they are too stupid to read history books. (0:

Man_From_India

Here communist parties are there, but the ideology is in the name only.

CowperKettle

> Military checkpoint over there, frontline over there, Moscow 1800 km over there

At the paintball grounds (0:

StoneyB

15:36

Funny!

Man_From_India

nice :-)

Cardinal

@Man_From_India What does Dehli mean? In Persian Deh means village.

Man_From_India

@Cardinal No idea.

Grammaticality (whew!) aside, we might see all three forms of the pronoun in the OP's sentence in common usage. That's why I gave up on trying to answer here. Good work. +1 — P. E. Dant Sep 15 at 5:16

> It's a little inconvenient, his not having a name.

Which three form of pronoun he is talking about?

I don't think it's possible to use any other form except his in that sentence. Am I making some mistake?

CowperKettle

15:52

After I looked up my English-Chinese dictionary, I found one of the usages of 'his' is that in formal context, we use 'his' as the SUBJECT of the gerund, but in less formal or spoken English, him is more commonly used. — Henry Wang Sep 15 at 13:21

Man_From_India

Yes I saw that too. (whisper: I don't trust chinese products much)

Cardinal

> There are a number of myths and legends associated with the origin of the name Delhi.

WikiP.

Interesting

CowperKettle

A journalist uncovered a fraud at a voting station and was apprehended by the police

Man_From_India

Really interesting etymology .

@CowperKettle What the

CowperKettle

@Man_From_India That's Russia

Man_From_India

15:58

Not that dissimilar. That's why we are friends even from historical times.

Anonymous

@Man_From_India His and him are in alternation, he is ungrammatical.

Cardinal

@CowperKettle Oh that sounds cheerful, At least you do not fear to express yourself on the internet , I think that's a positive point!

Man_From_India

@snailplane Him is also possible there?

Anonymous

Yes.

CowperKettle

The journalist saw that people with special labels inside their passports get voting forms that should have been given to other people. He made a similar mark inside his passport, got four forms for other people, and announced that he was carrying out an investigation. The voting station workers called the police, and the police took him away.

Anonymous

15:59

So P. E. Dant's comment appears to be incorrect.

CowperKettle

@Cardinal Yes, it is still okay to grumble on the interwebs

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