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Q: And Then There Were None

bart-lebyAnd Then There Were None This is the title of A. Christie's mystery novel. Why is there the verb "were" used instead of "was"? Are in this case these two verbs interchangeable?

I wish we had a better answer, because this matter is confusing and inconsistent in the wild, as far as I can tell.
This is a good read, I think: englishplus.com/grammar/None.htm
In our case, the title by Agatha Christie, it probably simply was because of the nursery rhyme.
 
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01:33
LOL -- I just heard "And they just start to hit us!" as "And they just start to hate us!" on TV!
(I'm not sure. Maybe it was started, but I heard start. My mind wasn't on the show.)
(Why do I think hit is more appropriate? Because when I looked up, I saw meteors!)
Hi, welcome to the room! @S.Khan
 
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02:38
> He who laughs last, laughs longest. and He who laughs last, laughs best.
There is a comma between the subject and the main verb.
Maybe it's fixed like that because it's an old saying.
02:50
> Least said, soonest mended.
nods -- Another nice example!
> The soonest mended, nothing said;
And help may rise from east or west;
But my two hands are lumps of lead,
My heart sits leaden in my breast.
From an animation:
> Fate be changed, look inside,
mend the bond torn by pride.
Oh, yours is from A Fisher-Wife!
Yes, a nice poem.
Oh, the folk wisdom.
03:53
Quote of the Day: What makes you think you understand the story just because you've written it?
> In Isaac Asimov’s essay on symbolism, he wrote, “When I complained to someone who worked up a symbolic meaning of my story ‘Nightfall’ that made no sense to me at all, he said to me, haughtily, ‘What makes you think you understand the story just because you’ve written it?’… Sometimes it is quite demonstrable that an author inserts a deeper symbolism than he knows-or even understands.”
 
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08:42
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Q: "Did the Austrian man [...] when he did the highest skydive?" or "Did an Austrian man [...]"

ardaozkalI was solving some English tests when I stumbled upon this. I said "the" but my English teacher insisted on "an". I was unable to find anything similar on the corpus. Should it be "the" or "an"? The full sentence: Did the/an/a Austrian man fly faster than light or sound when he did the hig...

Quite interesting.
Since that man did the highest skydive, he must be unique.
But will that justify the use of "the"?
Anonymous
> The handful of Asian characters were tough to get right; troff doesn't do wide Unicode characters properly, and there are a few places where we rewrote text to hide that fact.
Anonymous
frowny
13:46
@snailboat frowny ×2
Anonymous
おはよう〜
おはよう〜!
BTW, I thought it should only be Did the Austrian man ... until I saw J.R.'s answer.
That emphasis trick is very neat!
Anonymous
Oh! That's a nice answer :-)
> How do you spell McIlwain? CP: M-C-capital I-L-W-A-I-N, I think.
I say that's ambiguous!
Should I capitalize M or not?
But if the speaker assumed the general knowledge about the McAnything names, "capital" would not be necessary.
Hmm... how should I pronounce Arkansas’s?
"arknsawz"?
Anonymous
14:03
@DamkerngT. Probably :-)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Sure.
Thanks!
Anonymous
/ˈɑːrkənˌsɑːz/
This code may be useful: Alfa, Bravo, Charlie, Delta, Echo, Foxtrot, Golf, Hotel, India, Juliett, Kilo, Lima, Mike, November, Oscar, Papa, Quebec, Romeo, Sierra, Tango, Uniform, Victor, Whiskey, X-ray, Yankee, Zulu.
Anonymous
I think you put that in the wrong room :-)
14:09
Oh, okay, I can put it in both rooms!
It's interesting that numbers in English are more resilient than Thai's.
In Thai, 11 (สิบเอ็ด) and 17 (สิบเจ็ด) sound very close to each other, for example.
14:28
@DamkerngT. distinct, you mean?
I remember I had trouble distinguishing between 30 and 40 when I studied English in school.
@CowperKettle Yes, distinct is more appropriate in general contexts, I think.
30 sounded like фёти, 40 sounded like фоти, which is almost the same
fyoti, foty
Oh, that could be confusing, too!
15:07
Oh, I just noticed something!
> N as in Nguyen ("when") / numble
Does this mean that English speakers would pronounce Nguyen as "when"?
(Which is a bit weird to me.)
I'd pronounce it "[ng]wien" ([ng] is a single phoneme).
Hmm... but when I recall its translation in Thai, เหงียน, I think it's supposed to read "[ng]ien".
15:37
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Q: The definition of 'familiarity' in the English Liguistics

SssamyMy understanding of ‘familiarity’ according to the theories of Christophersen, Karttunen, and Heim is that it does not embrace those referents interpreted under ‘accommodation,’ ‘inferrability,’ or ‘bridging.’ Is my understanding correct? I went into the class and talked to the teacher. [the tea...

I think we have some hope it will get a better answer if it's reopened.
Anonymous
Yeah? Could happen. I bet it'll get more bad answers though.
Anonymous
Do you think we should reopen it?
Anonymous
It's still open on ELU, so there's an active copy of the question that can be answered.
Anonymous
I'm happy to have just one copy of the question open.
Anonymous
I don't really care which one is open and which one is closed, though.
15:43
@snailboat I saw the last comment and one reopen vote, so I clicked to vote to reopen it. :-)
@snailboat Oh, it's still on EL&U?
Anonymous
Yup!
I thought it had been closed or something. Anyway, it seems like nobody is going to write an answer on EL&U.
Anonymous
I'll vote to reopen if the other one gets closed.
I can't vote to close it on EL&U. -- sad
Anonymous
Does that mean you want it open on ELL, don't care whether it's open on ELU, and would vote to close there purely to get my reopen vote here? :-)
15:47
@snailboat Perhaps. :-) Partly because I don't think the one on ELU will get an answer soon.
Anonymous
But anyone who wants to answer can post on either site.
Anonymous
I left a link to the ELU one on the ELL one, I think.
Anonymous
If you want me to vote to reopen anyway I will.
Anonymous
It just seems so much neater having only one copy open.
@snailboat nods -- I'm not sure if I put my bet right, but I was really thinking that @Araucaria will post an answer if it gets reopened. :-)
BTW, I'm sure that you could write a good one, too, if you would.
Anonymous
15:51
I voted to reopen.
Anonymous
Well, I haven't read all of those authors, so I'd need to do some research.
Anonymous
It's a great topic, though.
Indeed!
I found a not so small bunch of nice papers because of the question!
Anonymous
I was thinking of starting a meta post on Japanese.SE with lists of references on various topics. I'm not sure how to put it together exactly.
15:56
@snailboat Sounds like something akin to a taxonomy of tags for ELL. :P
Anonymous
Check the Further reading section at the back of CGEL :-)
It's quite a long list!
Anonymous
Okay, I'm going to disappear – the land of no cell phone reception is just ahead!
I guess that if you start to write one on JSE, you'll want it to be grouped by topics.
@snailboat Okay! See you soon!
16:23
Our own Big Ben :-)
Hey, that looks really like Big Ben!
hehe right!
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Q: What do you call tiny underdeveloped segments of an orange?

SoudabehSometime after peeling your orange, you notice that there are also some underdeveloped segments inside it (figure 1), or at its base (figure 2). What do you call these tiny, underdeveloped segments (which are shown by arrows in the below pictures) in casual English? (In Persian, we casually cal...

I feel a bit guilty because I don't know the exact word for that in my first language!
@DamkerngT. Neither do I :O
isn't it strange? :D
16:38
Indeed. -- I think I can add something equivalent to "baby" in Thai to make it understandable in the context, but that wouldn't be the exact word people who know would use.
I wonder if there really is a word for it.
nods. Even I doubt in my frst language there is any exact word for that/
I suppose that people who run orange farms would have a word for it!
hmmm possible.
16:56
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Q: How can I improve the beginning of this sentence: "Despite what was feared by what was known as the "

MindwinSo, I wrote this short paragraph in another SE site: Despite what was feared by what was known as the surveillance threat on freedom of the 2010's, none of the world great nations became a police state. Civil rights organizations had "won" several battles that assured guarantees on individual...

> Despite what was feared by what was known as the surveillance threat on freedom of the 2010's, none of the world great nations became a police state. Civil rights organizations had "won" several battles that assured guarantees on individual freedom and privacy in the 2020's.
Can a threat fear something?
 
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18:17
Word of the Day: rusticate
Did . . . anybody miss me?
@Dam @Snail did you notice this?
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A: Do learners with an L1 without articles have problems using them in an L2 with articles?

ShoeLanguage Transfer is the term for influence of the mother tongue (L1) on the production of the target language (L2). Language transfer can be both positive and negative. So, for example, positive transfer accounts for L1 German speakers saying something like: Careful! The glass has a crack! (...

@PhMgBr Everyone!
Hello!
@DamkerngT. Get real
Proof!
Robots never lie.
They only sit?
18:25
:D
Where have you been? Have you been preparing yourself for a test or something?
Chemistry Olympiad, 2nd stage, Wednesday.
I see!
@PhMgBr Good luck!
Thanks you
@PhMgBr I'm sure you will kill it and spare no question on the test!
18:31
Reloads
I'm pretty ready [sic].
Hullo @Vicky! Welcome to LO!
I've figured that, if I pay attention, I'm even ready to get 100%.
If
Hi! This is my first time checking out Stack's chat rooms, and I probably won't be a common visitor. I'm just poking around at ones that look interesting. Thanks for welcoming me, though!
Hi! Welcome to the room, @Vicky!
Also, good luck in the chem olympiad, @PhMgBr . :)
18:36
@Vicky Hullo! Feel free to look around!
@Vicky Thanks
(Funny) Word of the Day: vegicide
(/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
A new way to learn English alphabet? minicubby.com/index.php?/alphadeath
 
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19:46
@DamkerngT. Seems like dark humor is the newest internet meme thingy
thanks you..... — John Joe 11 hours ago
^ This comment is perfect in so many ways CC @TCh
Anonymous
20:06
@PhMgBr Welcome back, and good luck on the olympiad! :-)
Anonymous
I'm not sure why we have a custom of wishing people luck instead of saying 'Do your best!' or 'I know you can do it!' :-)
Anonymous
After all, it's your knowledge and hard work that's going to win it for you, not luck.
20:37
Hard work is very important. Luck is also important. Sometimes it's even more important!
If we reduce life to a game, something gamified like SE can tell us something. It echoes the same kinds of results.
Hmm... IIRC, there is a Chinese saying about luck is more important.
20:57
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Q: Can the word "information" be used with both singular and plural nouns?

DavidHere is the sentence I'm constructing: "To begin, you'll need your school ID, username, and password; if you don't already have this information, your school can provide you with them." My problem is that it looks like I'm mixing singular and plural here; "them" in this context is referring bac...

I'm sure that books on good writing must have something to say about this kind of sentence.
They probably even give it a name.
> To begin, you'll need your school ID, username, and password; if you don't already have this information, your school can provide you with them.
I like the suggestion in this comment:
You could just skip over that word altogether: To begin, you'll need your school ID, username, and password; if you don't already have these, your school can provide you with them.Adam 3 mins ago
Anonymous
Well then, I guess I'll go back to wishing PhMgBr luck :-)
@snailboat :-)
How about "Do your best and good luck!"? It's kinda two-in-one. :D
user206384
My gravatar is constantly changing on its own.
user206384
And hello
@salman Hah!
Hello!
Anonymous
21:03
Have you entered an email address in your account information?
user206384
This is the third one.
user206384
Yes I have.
user206384
So I came here to get feedbacks on this recording. I mean my pronunciation:
Anonymous
See, I've been told it's supposed to use your email address to generate a consistent gravatar if you enter one, and that it falls back to your IP address if you don't. But it doesn't seem like that's accurate . . .
user206384
21:07
My friends told me I seem to have no charm in my voice :/
I'm not sure what kind of problem I'm exactly having with my internet connection. It seems to work mostly okay, but some sites are very, very slow. Unfortunately, Vocaroo is one of them.
Anonymous
Overall it's not bad, but there are a few parts I have trouble understanding.
So I can't really hear what you said because it's broken up.
Yay! snailboat came to the rescue!
user206384
Oh broken how?
user206384
Thanks snailboat.
21:10
Give me a couple minutes.
user206384
I can upload a new one for you.
user206384
Give me five mins.
Anonymous
> Hi, uh, the topic is conditional sentence. Conditional sentences are sentences expressing factual implications of hypothetical situations [and their bunch of answers??]. They are so called because the [verity?] of the main clause of the sentence is conditioned on the existence of certain circumstances which may be expressed in a [??] clause or may be understood from the context.
Anonymous
The parts in brackets are unclear to me, so I just wrote down things they sounded like.
@salman Oh, don't worry. I was able to capture your clip successfully on my last attempt.
user206384
21:14
@snailboat Thanks for your time. I'm reading from Wikipedia. Here:
user206384
> Conditional sentences are sentences expressing factual implications, or hypothetical situations and their consequences. They are so called because the validity of the main clause of the sentence is conditional on the existence of certain circumstances, which may be expressed in a dependent clause or may be understood from the context.
nods -- I agree with snailboat. I wish you spoke content words more clearly. Two main areas that you may want to work on, in my opinion, are stress and rhythm.
user206384
ok thanks. By stress you mean stress on my pronunciations?
There are two main important levels of stress for me, at the word level and at the sentence level.
Generally, we stress content (important) words in our sentences.
The cheapest trick I used when I had to speak English in the early years in my work was to pause a little before and after a content word, and tried to pronounce that word as clear as possible (but not too tense; don't forget to relax yourself while speaking).
user206384
21:33
I made a new one: vocaroo.com/i/s0GQLHHyKPdh
Haha! I guess I will succeed the fourth or the fifth time! (I mean, to listen to your clip.)
I wonder what happened to my internet connection or my router.
user206384
It's ok :-)
user206384
@snailboat Can you fully understand the new one that I posted above?
user206384
@DamkerngT. ?
user206384
21:47
Is that a google drive?
@salman I mean, when I tried to play your clip on Vocaroo. -- Yes, it's Google Drive.
I uploaded what I can get on my end when I play your clip on Vocaroo.
user206384
hmm, it is working fine for me. ok no worries, thanks anyway :-)
Anonymous
22:02
I can't listen now, but I should be able to tomorrow.
user206384
ok good night all :-)
Good night!
23:55
> We are partly who we are because we chew less.
Haha! Science is fun!

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