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12:14 AM
@DamkerngT. It's just sunk in -- do you know Sanskrit, too?
 
 
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5:10 AM
@snailboat Yay! I think we all have the same impressions! (Catija, you, and I)
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Interesting! I think "Would you like to drink <something>?" is a set phrase.
@StoneyB I can't say that I know, though it would be a lie if I said that I don't know Sanskrit at all. Perhaps, I know Sanskrit about as much as an average English speaker knows French.
Thai borrowed a rather large set of vocabulary from Pali-Sanskrit, so most of us know at least some Sanskrit words through Thai.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:25 AM
in ELL's Cabin, 3 mins ago, by Damkerng T.
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Q: Which day of the working week is called blue?

GuitarMasterI heard that there is one, which is it? I couldn't find it. All I found was Blue Monday (date) on Wikipedia but here I am looking for a day of the week. Is there one?

in ELL's Cabin, 1 min ago, by Damkerng T.
I googled for "blue X" where X is any day of week, and every day of week returns significant results!
in ELL's Cabin, 27 secs ago, by Damkerng T.
Some even have their own entries on Urban Dictionary. (iirc, Blue Tuesday, Blue Friday, Black and Blue Saturday)
 
6:40 AM
\o @Dam!
 
How is everything today?
 
Everything is a bit slow for me today.
But hey, I've met my brother in person after a long time.
 
Yay! Sounds like a reunion.
 
Yep!
What about you?
 
6:51 AM
Anything new about the #electionhype?
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M The latest news for me was Catija's nomination.
I guess it's difficult that either of my questions for the candidates will make it.
 
7:19 AM
Sorry, removed; I have no right to ask that.
 
Huh? Why do you think so?
@ColleenV OMG!!! I've been dealing with the same exact thing. I heard a report on the radio a few weeks ago about the overwhelming use of "just" by women... and how it should be stricken from our writing and I've been struggling with it for weeks... I just/simply can't write without using them and I can't believe that they're "never ok" ... they have to be ok in some uses! — Catija 12 hours ago
Argh! (worried)
I don't know how many times I've used just and simply!
> 389 messages found (for just)
> 36 messages found (for simply)
(-_-)"
And that's only in chat... I wonder how often I use this kind of word both in English and in my first language in real life...
Also worth noting that of the 8 technically-recognized EL&U mods, only 3 (sometimes 4) actively engage in moderation. Of the other 4, one is an "honorary moderatorship" bestowed on a valuable contributor to the community, and the other 3 haven't been seen in ages. One's profile still urges you to support the Area51 proposal for ELL :) — Dan Bron 19 hours ago
Ahh
I won't complain or judge them; everyone has their own reason; but I would complain myself and would feel bad if I did so...
 
7:51 AM
4
A: 2015 Moderator Election Q&A - Question Collection

Damkerng T.ELL welcomes answers written by both native and non-native speakers. Both native and non-native speakers have their own strengths and weaknesses. Sometimes answers written by a non-native speaker can be insightful, but sometimes it is not quite correct, or worse, just plain wrong. What is your o...

Just . . . Wow.
@Dam election questions aren't usually this deep.
 
Ah, well. I hadn't seen election questions elsewhere before. :-)
I made at least one typo in there, but I don't want to bump it up.
 
Bump it up!
 
Okay, okay!
 
 
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9:05 AM
Hi@DamkerngT.
 
@user62015 \o
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M How are you?
 
Thanks! I'm great. Have you heard about the election?
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Sounds good. Yes, I have heard. What's it exactly?
 
Have you read the election's page?
 
Anonymous
9:17 AM
@DamkerngT. That's unfounded: languagelog.ldc.upenn.edu/nll/?p=19766
 
Anonymous
That is, it's not true that women use just much more than men, though it's been reported that way.
 
Anonymous
There are significant differences in the ways men and women use language on the population level, but it pays to be skeptical when you read about a purported difference in the popular media.
 
Just . . . Yeah.
I love skepticism, as long as it's held to a degree.
 
10:07 AM
Hi @user62015!
 
@DamkerngT. Hi!
How is going on?
 
I think it's going okay.
 
Sounds good.
 
Is "How is going on?" trending?
 
No!
Change the following sentences form the active to passive voice
 
10:09 AM
Oh, no!
 
Active-> They should send it to us on Monday.
I converted it -> It should be sent to us by them on Monday.
Answer is wrong and says it should be ->It should be sent to us on Monday
 
The two mean about the same.
 
I understand in passive voice we don't mention someone, everyone etc.
 
The author thinks adding the doer back with a "by" doesn't make sense.
 
But here we have they so I used them but answer was wrong.
 
10:11 AM
They're wrong, as usual.
 
Wait, why do you think the answer is wrong?
 
It showed.
 
I'm a little confused. Whose answer is wrong? Did you mean that the site said your answer was wrong?
And it has to be "It should be sent to us on Monday."
 
Yes.
 
10:16 AM
The user interface of such a test is usually limited.
 
Please check the link. I gave the answer as I have mentioned (It should be sent to us by them on Monday)
But it says -> It should be sent to us on Monday
 
Yes, it's just a program.
 
But I think my answer is also fine.
 
Yes, you're correct.
 
10:17 AM
Thanks.
 
Welcome!
 
See you soon!
 
See you!
 
So, @user have you planned on voting in the election? Or even, do you plan on nominating?
 
Vote for inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M! Vote for inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M! Vote for inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M!
;-)
 
10:19 AM
Who knew I had so many fans?
Uh what?!
Again, these kind of "amirite" questions are not really helpful for the community. Instead of posting all as a question and asking "am I right?", please consider writing a self-answer and explaining the connotation that the stressing conveys, optimally with resources and the "why"s. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 23 mins ago
I'm gonna write a meta post. If people think it's election advertising or what, so be it.
 
I think you've raised the same point in one of your questions for the candidates.
Maybe I should show how to save "Am I right?" questions by editing it.
 
Yes, but we need a separate meta discussions.
@DamkerngT. Get ready to write a meta answer.
 
10:38 AM
Edited!
(Sorry for the delay. I was interrupted by a phone call.)
 
@DamkerngT. No probs. I'm always interrupted by other tabs I have open.
 
11:02 AM
@Dam your edit doesn't change my point.
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Hmm... isn't it our site itself that asks the learner to tell us what they think about the question?
Otherwise, we're going to force our learners to post their guesses as answers.
 
@DamkerngT. Thoughts, not answers.
"I think this means X."
Not
"I think this means X and Y which then could man M and N, thus A is B and X means Z."
The question mustn't include an answer, period.
But you have a point. We have to be careful about increases in guesses posted as answers.
 
11:21 AM
@Dam you here?
 
Yes. Just for a few more minutes.
 
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Q: Am I right? No, you're wrong!

inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.MThe problem: I've recently seen questions in this form: Some title that might need polishing < a lot of background that usually doesn't add to the question >< a question that the OP wanted to tackle with >< the answer OP had in mind, has a 80% degree of certainty and just needs a nod > ...

 
Hehe!
Wait, shouldn't we do this in the main room? :D
Argh! It's longer than I thought!
I'll read it when I'm back.
 
Where're you going?
Tea?
 
A short trip. 15-30 minutes.
BBL o/
 
11:24 AM
Oooh teleportation, later!
 
12:03 PM
Back!
> Reindeers are better than people. Sven, don't you think I'm right?
 
> Latin phrase of the day: Dura lex sed lex
 
Though I don't completely agree with your meta post, I think you raised several good points.
 
Thing is, we're totally not writing self-answers when we should @Dam.
I know that you're saying they prolly will have problems understanding what to do.
Let's continue this in Cabin if you want.
 
Ah, yes. That's a good idea.
 
Anonymous
@user62015 "How is it going?"
 
12:15 PM
Welcome to the room @Tos! Please visit here for conversation:

 ELL's Cabin

This is the former main chat room for English Language Learner...
 
Anonymous
@user62015 That's right. But unless you have a special reason to include by them, most of the time you'd get rid of it after converting to the passive.
 
Anonymous
Most passive clauses don't include a by-phrase. But some do. For example, you can include the by-phrase if you want to use the passive to emphasize the agent:
 
Anonymous
> The patient was murdered by his own doctor!
 
Anonymous
Most passives don't mention the agent at all.
 
Anonymous
But there are a number of different reasons you might want to use a passive.
 
Anonymous
12:20 PM
And if you have a reason to, including the by-phrase is fine.
 
@snailboat I'm pretty sure that you don't like doctors much. :P
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. It's just a dramatic example I stole from Geoffrey Pullum.
 
Anonymous
I use the same examples over and over :-)
 
:D
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A: What is the correct way of asking the question "How can we or How we can?"

Maulik VIf you want to form a question, how/what/which etc. should be followed by a verb. And here, the verb is 'can'. So, How can we achieve this? forms a question. Take another example. How we do it is not forming a question. You need an auxiliary verb there to form a question. How ...

Hmm... the grammar he teaches his daughter is interesting.
I think it's different.
(from elsewhere)
(and it's probably not the same everywhere in India.)
> The first one is 'actually' a sentence and not a question.
- [This is] how we can achieve this!
It's not possible to mark it as a sentence with an auxiliary verb in it placed after 'how'
- [This is] how can we achieve this?
The latter requires question mark and the former does not!
 
12:41 PM
The sentence #2 isn't correct grammatically. Can anybody justify its correctness by referring to a reliable soutce? — Khan yesterday
@Dam I believe the sentence 2 is ungrammatical.
Why?
 
2 is a label.
Like "set A", not "the set A".
 
I'm looking for something to read about it.
 
aparente001, Thanks yoy for enlightening English Learners. I think it's no use approaching ELL Meta. It's already clear that most of the native speakers approve of the sentence that is grammatically incorrect to us. However, being a non native speaker , I can't go intentionally against grammar. — Khan 5 hours ago
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I'm still reading into that post!
"It's already clear that most of the native speakers approve of the sentence that is grammatically incorrect to us."
That's one of the most saddest things people can get from our stack.
It's also a sad thing that I have not enough knowledge to barge in (in a question) and speak what is right.
I hope more native speakers would do that.
In the meantime, I'll try to work on my English in this chblog room. ;-)
 
1:12 PM
BTW, anyone want to know how Thai poems could kill?
(I can do it another day anyway, though.)
...
How can one smile "pragmatically"?
By smiling reasonably after proving a point?
 
Anonymous
1:38 PM
@DamkerngT. I have no idea.
 
I have no clear idea either!
 
Anonymous
> It's been two weeks since I spoke with him.
> It's been two weeks since I was speaking with him.
 
But surely, he did smile in"he smiled pragmatically".
@snailboat Ah, that one is really interesting.
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. They're both grammatical, but of course they're not equivalent.
 
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. Well, I'm sure, but without context I can't even guess what it means.
 
1:42 PM
It's in a novel I was reading.
(I wanted to sleep but I had eaten a little too much!)
>
"Exactly!" Hackett nodded, as though Scott had replied. "Never. Like that ancient Chinese proverb where three wise men are blindfolded and told to identify the mystery guest just by their sense of touch. The first insists it's a snake because it's long and muscular. The second thinks it's a tree trunk. Finally, the third guy says it's a bird. It has to be a bird--its wings are flapping." He stuffed the glass into the seat pocket in front. Licked his lips. "Well, didn't they feel like fools when they ripped off their masks to find an elephant." He smiled pragmatically.
Earlier, Hackett was trying to say that people don't communicate with people, and it's more so in academia.
He dared Scott a bet (that it was a real problem in academia). Scott didn't say anything. After a brief pause, Hackett said, "Exactly!".
 
2:00 PM
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A: which is correct , "would you wait for me" or "will you wait for me"?

Victor BazarovThey are both polite enough, in that sense there is no difference. The difference in meaning is between the Future Indefinite ("will you") and subjunctive mood ("would you wait") is that in the former case the necessity for waiting is known to the speaker and the party whom the speaker is asking...

That makes it sound like the difference between will and would exists in his first language.
In that language, Future Indefinite and subjunctive mood (I wonder why it isn't "Subjunctive Mood") also exist.
Slavic?
Bulgarian?
 
3:01 PM
@Snail @Dam!
 
Yes?
 
I've changed the room description for the Table:

 The Periodic Table

Haikus are awesome / Chemistry's even better / So pull up a chair
 
Haha!
 
3:27 PM
0
Q: Usage of "be specified for"

AhmadI wrote: Each pattern can be either specified for data extraction or to restrict the occurrence of nested patterns. If the pattern is (was or has been ?) specified for data extraction, we extract its content... I used "be specified for something" to mean the purpose of each pattern, ...

That somehow reminds me of an old for question.
Argh! I can't remember that question. And I don't want to search anything at the moment.
For tomorrow: search for that^
 
Me neither.
I'd just leave that meta post.
 
2 hours ago, by snailboat
> It's been two weeks since I spoke with him.
> It's been two weeks since I was speaking with him.
^I think I also need to reread what happened in both ELL/ELU answers once again.
 
BTW @Dam my point isn't that they're looking for a compliment, it's that they're "checking their answer" here. I say that if they're doing that, they should write an answer, not include it in the question.
 
But I'd probably better do it tomorrow. I'm so tired right now.
 
I suddenly felt tired of meta.ELL and ELL activity too.
 
3:32 PM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Aww... I got tired because of something else, though.
 
I'm not sure what tired me.
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M A short break may make you feel better.
Or ice cream!
 
Prolly realizing that the problem isn't as vivid to others (I got a downvote) and I've got to explain it.
And I really don't wanna explain, because no matter how you look at it, those are a problem.
@DamkerngT. Or TeX!
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Your case is a bit complicated, so naturally, you'll need to make it a strong case.
 
Then how did I get 5 upvotes for the same election question?
 
3:35 PM
My posts in questions for candidates are complicated too, so naturally, I don't expect a lot of votes.
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M I think it looks simpler in your election question.
 
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
Or maybe because of Marsling!
 
Could be, could be.
I need to read some meta whine before I can continue
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A: Am I not supposed to mention my gender in a question?

Brian Tompsett - 汤莱恩Yes it was me. I only did this on some very recent posts as part of improvements. Only in the last 5 days or so. I did read the post and made, in most cases, significant improvements to the posts. I wanted to learn what the spread and usage of the term was and whether the usage was extensive or p...

We need more users like this on Stack Exchange.
I admit, even I couldn't have engaged that constructively in a conversation.
 
(A complimentary post via our snailboat!)
^Um... that was me trying to say that I got the link from her.
 
> 503 Service Unavailable

No server is available to handle this request.
> 503 Service Unavailable

No server is available to handle this request.
 
3:44 PM
Eh?
 
Eeeeeeeeeeh.
 
> It's fitting, I suppose, that this incorrection is a perfect example of what I once called "Counterfeit Cultural Capital" (6/11/2011): the animus against comprise in the sense of "compose, make up" is an invented shibboleth. (See also "More on the history of comprised of meaning 'composed of'", 6/6/2011.) Both active and passive forms have been used in this sense for hundreds of years, and continue in widespread use to the present day, thereby given Mr. Henderson plenty of opportunity to exercise his obsession (now apparently approaching 50,000 Wikipedia edits).
> "Many people do not accept ‘comprised of’ as a valid English phrase for any meaning. The argument goes that ‘to comprise’ means to include, as in ‘the 9th district comprises all of Centerville and parts of Easton and Weston.’ And thus, ‘the 9th district is comprised of ...’ is gibberish. The phrase apparently originated as a confusion of “to comprise” and “to be composed of”.
> That’s not quite what the Oxford English Dictionary says.
 
@Dam I wanna change my profile picture now.
 
Oh! To what?
 
I'm thinking something weird; again.
 
4:13 PM
(How to Assess Statistical Significance (with Pictures) - wikiHow)
That's actually quite funny.
I guess statisticians can't answer if someone asked them how tall they are.
> You purchased a piece of wood that the seller told you was 8 feet (2.4 m) long (let us denote this L=8).
> You think the seller is cheating you, and believe that the length of the wood is actually less than 8 feet (L<8).
> Most of us would break out the tape measure, find that the length of the board is less than 8 feet (2.4 m), and then go ask the lumber dealer for a new piece of wood.
> However, science requires a much larger burden of proof than just a single measurement.
> To deal with this phenomenon, we must make many measurements and use those results to determine our p-value.
Wow! That's a lot for a single piece of wood!
But I guess I would measure the supposed-to-be-8-feet-long piece of wood a few times myself if I had only this:
 
4:45 PM
@Dam I got a bit philosophical.
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M And turned into a triangle?
 
Those mottos out there talking about why the simplest is the best.
I'm a trihydrogen cation; the simplest triatomic molecule in the universe.
 
nods -- I think there are several. I can think of two at the moment: Less is more and KISS.
Oh, the universe is somewhat interesting... hydrogen atoms usually don't travel alone.
I'm really sleepy, but I still don't want to sleep.
 
Actually, this is a very complex cation, with seeming simplicity.
@DamkerngT. I know that feeling.
 
(My body's telling me to sleep, but my stomach says otherwise.)
 
4:50 PM
(It's two electrons in three bonds)
(There are usually six electrons in three bonds)
 
Oh, that's why the + sign is there!
 
Yes, it shows that it's a cation.
Chem nerds back at Table don't like this though.
in The Periodic Table, 3 mins ago, by Mithoron
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Umm, I don't like this type of representation of 3-c-2el bonds :(
 
Hello!
 
Hello, @AaronBrown!
 
4:52 PM
We've chatted before, right?
 
I believe so.
 
I believe so.
 
(I think you used to use a humanoid avatar. :P)
 
I did, I don't know what happened to it.
I haven't bothered to try a new one up yet.
try to put
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M Aww...
@AaronBrown I may not be very talkative today (actually, it's tonight over here). I feel rather sleepy.
 
4:56 PM
No problem.
 
@DamkerngT. May I sing a lullabye?
 
Hehe!
I like Blynken, Wynken, and Nod. :D
 
HEY! You can't order lullabies!
 
Aww... silly me.
I thought I could...
 
Weird. Spellchecker says "lullabye" is wrong, "lullabies" is correct.
@DamkerngT. No democracy, no cigar.
 
4:59 PM
I think its singular form is lullaby.
 
The word is lullaby, i believe.
 
Oh no, I shouldn't be saying that before an election . . .
 
What?
 
5:12 PM
13 mins ago, by inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M
@DamkerngT. No democracy, no cigar.
Now I won't vote for me.
 
Aww... I believe that nobody will read it the wrong way in the context.
 
I will vote for you as most ruthless lullaby enforcer!
 
<-- an enforced guy
Aww... I couldn't find that version of Blynken, Wynken, and Nod. (I remember that there was an acoustic one performed by a 50-or-60-something. :-)
Hey, found it!
It's different from the official version, but it's very charming, imho.
 
5:32 PM
Long time no see!
 
o/
What's up?
 
Not much.
I nominated for mod position on ELL.
 
Awesome!
 
7 hours ago, by Damkerng T.
Vote for inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M! Vote for inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M! Vote for inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M!
;)
 
5:39 PM
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Q: What is the opposite of minor if not major?

Konrad VilterstenWe've got a name of a component in our software that's called minor (or, in computer English: IsCustomerMinor). We'd like to turn the logic around and refer to the case as the opposite, meaning not being a minor. After some googling I've only come up with unrelated words as magisterial and perem...

Whatever the answers say, the question reminds me of this show:
o/ @HarryCBurn
 
I think if I get to get everyone from chat vote for me I'll win the election. MWAHAHAHAHHHAHAHHHAHHAHA
 
Oh, I just learned that Avril Lavigne is Canadian!
 
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M How do I vote then? ;p
 
@HarryCBurn Election begins in some days. I think 4, or 3.
 
Found it.
Gah, okay :)
 
5:48 PM
(I was confused because I had thought that she was a British a few years ago, and I just saw her on Majors & Minors and she sounded a lot like an American!)
@HarryCBurn I think you can run too.
 
@DamkerngT. He also can walk.
 
I can crawl. (-_-)"
 
I prefer dawdling.
Not sure if I would. I don't really have the time :(
 
@Colleen I'm referring to the latter group. They're not bad. They just need to be a question and an answer, not just a question. Because the asker often times is right and the real answer to that thread would be a bare yes. The answerer has to try hard to add some stuff to their answer and post one that doesn't get deleted. — inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M 47 secs ago
@Dam I'm gonna need to clarify that thing; but maybe later.
 
6:06 PM
@inɒzɘmɒЯ.A.M My advice is, better not to clarify to win the argument. If you don't think of any asker in particular, I think you will see that ColleenV's suggestion is really reasonable.
 
Well I'm not arguing. I'd wait and see if the issue gets worse. Then people will realize . . . Famous last words
 
 
2 hours later…
8:31 PM
@Dam there's a good chance that one of your questions will make it to the questionnaire!
 

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