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10:56
I am not very happy with the answers...
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Q: "While paying" vs "while paid"

RoyWhat would be the right option: paid or paying? I think paying. He took ten years to earn his bachelor's degree while paid/paying his bills by working part time as a ski instructor.

While i believe the first answer is correct, the answerer should have pointed out the difference in meaning between the two sentences. I think there is difference in meaning. Am i right, @DamkerngT.?
But I find Khan's answer a bit strange. Though we can place while at the head of the sentence, but placing it whereOP did is not strange, or incorrect.
What do you think about it?
Though I don't like He took ten years to earn his bachelor's degree while he paid his bills... as much as while paying, I think they mean the same.
(Am I overlooking something?)
I think Khan's alternative is weird.
In the sentence with paid, while sounds like though.
I think I get your idea.
Still, while paying can work like that too, right?
while in the meaning of when should logically have a progressive tense. Isn't it?
@DamkerngT. Meaning "though "?
@Man_From_India Yes. (Hmm... I don't want to say that its meaning is though outright.)
11:08
No i still can't see while paying add contrast.
Meaning "though".
@Man_From_India I'm not sure about this, but I think when two long events co-occur, the progressive aspect isn't needed. Maybe PEU says something about this.
I will check it once back home.
@Man_From_India Wait, do you think while paying always means while he is/was paying?
Yes i do...
Hmm.... what about present participles?
> Xing all the time, he Y [blah blah blah].
11:11
Y = have v*?
Y could be any verb, I think. (I thought of the simple present and simple past when I wrote Y.)
Possible I think.
But can't connect this idea with "while" examples :(
I remember I posted about present participles being used for the simple aspect in a comment, but I can't find that.
Gotta go now. I'll try to find that comment later.
See you...thanks.
@Man_From_India One thing I think the -ing form after while is pretty much like present participles is because we can't say while pays/paid .... It has to be while paying ....
Later!
11:40
Ok...see u...
12:23
@M.A.Ramezani A moment...
Welcome to the room!
This is chic!
:D
I remember you gave Catija the query a few days ago. -- looking...
You have to use a query don't you?
@M.A.Ramezani I guess so. :D
Wut?
There's no Alexander in any of your comments.
12:34
Hmm... maybe it's in my old answers.
Maybe I had deleted it!
Haha! You couldn't find it because you didn't trust me.
@M.A.Ramezani Eh?
Or rather, my Google search.
@M.A.Ramezani I browsed through the results, but couldn't find it.
Sorry, I'm a bit distracted.
12:45
Ahh... found it, but I didn't write down the entry number! Shame on me!
The following might be useful for native speakers to understand ELLs. Participle constructions being used in place of clauses are discussed in most grammar books, I believe. However, participle constructions with the different subject from the main clause are likely not discussed. Of the three examples, all are familiar except for The committee having completed its business, the meeting was adjourned at 12:00 noon. The sentence in my question also has this very same structure. — Damkerng T. Feb 7 '14 at 1:57
Shame on you!
BTW @Dam what's this?
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A: "Oh The Horror" Hat Club 2013

Damkerng T.If this is not a great idea, I don't know what is! Lucky me, there is still room.

LOL -- It was how those posters got a secret hat. :-)
I think the condition was "post a meta answer that got 40 upvotes or more". :-)
Heh.
So would I get 40 upvotes if I said
> Hello conversion to hullo. Done like a charm!
?
I bet you would!
 
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14:38
Calm down, folks. Though "later in day" is quite rare relative to "later in the day" in both AmE and BrE (~1:600 in AmE, ~1:400 in BrE), it does occur. books.google.com/ngrams/…Brian Hitchcock 4 hours ago
@BrianHitchcock This is not to say that you're incorrect, but I think we should interpret data carefully. The string "later in day" yields fewer than 60 results on Google Books. Many of them are written as shorthand (e.g. Egg on right 65.8; Egg on left 73.9; Reading by A. M. later in day 74.2; Subject matter could be debated later in day on adjournment motion, motion put with reservation -- 8063). I can't see the text of most of the rest, so it's difficult to judge. — Damkerng T. 4 hours ago
In this era, the data interpretation skill is about as important as math, language, and other basic skills.
We have more data than ever!
@DamkerngT. This sentence gets truer every second.
15:40
@DamkerngT. In a sentence correction quiz this sentence was given -
> What all this mean, is that the disciples are more powerful than their teacher.
And the correction is all this means.
Where's the of?
But even if with that correction, is the following sentence correct?
> What all this means, is that the disciples are more powerful than their teacher.
@Man_From_India Being more nitpicky, it should be
@M.A.Ramezani Sorry, didn't get you.
@Man_From_India I like it better without the comma.
15:42
> What all of this means is that the disciples are more powerful than their teacher.
But without of, it's okay too.
@DamkerngT. Without comma, it makes sense. I was thinking they are separate sentences. :D
@M.A.Ramezani Thanks
A similar sentence with while to one in our earlier discussion:
> Director of golf at Bighorn Golf Club in Palm Springs, Calif., area for the past three years. Prior to Bighorn, Billy was the head pro at Newport Country Club in Rhode Island during the winter months while spending 10 years as a teaching pro at the Vintage Club in Palm Springs, Calif.
Basically, it's Billy was the head pro during the winter months while spending 10 years as a pro at the Vintage Club.
I think between:
> a) Billy was the head pro during the winter months while he was spending 10 years as a pro at the Vintage Club.
> b) Billy was the head pro during the winter months while he spent 10 years as a pro at the Vintage Club.
b) conveys the meaning of the original sentence.
But admittedly, while is tricky.
And a) and b) are not that different. (I wonder how a poll would look like, if we made a survey with native speakers.)
Hmm... reading it back and forth. I think a) works well, too.
Like snaiboat usually says, semantic satiation strikes again!
> while near spent (corpus.byu.edu/coca/?c=coca&q=40233397): 157 hits
> be spending near while (corpus.byu.edu/coca/?c=coca&q=40233415): 25 hits
Khan's answer actually raises one important question:
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A: "While paying" vs "while paid"

KhanI think the placement of while isn't better. You may rephrase the sentence as follows: While he took ten years to earn his bachelor's degree, he paid his bills by working part time or He paid his bills by working part time while he took ten years to earn his bachelor's degree.

Does it really matter to say While A, B or A while B (or other alternatives), when we can read A and B in such a way that they both are/were ongoing at the same time, together?
16:06
Ah man. I have to leave. Just when there was gonna be a language discussion. :( Cya anyways.
See you!
Oh, congrats!
 
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21:16
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Q: What is the difference between "solution of problem" and "solution to problem"?

Sergei RassokhaCould someone explain, please, what is the difference between "solution of problem" and "solution to problem"? Thank You!

Note this graphs in this chart: goo.gl/53hvxt
Prepositions are difficult, not only for learners, but for native speakers too.
The preferred choice (particularly when it's a free choice) can shift from one preposition to another easily.
This one (solution to/of the problem) is a very good example.

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