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03:27
This is the first blog I came across that makes an attempt at reasoning through the annoying use of 'literally' :-)
 
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09:00
I wonder why this could be incorrect: "I have registered for 4 classes after I met my counselor. "
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Q: gerund and past simple

user5577I saw that this sentence was not correct: I have registered for 4 classes after I met my counselor. but this one was: I have registered for 4 classes after meeting my counselor. 'met' and 'meeting' are both in the past so what is the difference? Both are single events (registered and ...

@CopperKettle Hmm . . .
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. What do these three rectangles suppose to mean, I wonder.
Since well, met is referring to a specific time, while the perfect implies that you're not specifying the time.
@CopperKettle Just spaces. They render weird on some devices since they don't render.
ah
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Well, they're in different clauses.
@CopperKettle Connected by "after".
09:05
Are you sure it's a no-no?
Ya know, the sentence sounds off to me since that's not how I've seen perfect being used.
I don't know a why, hence I can't say for sure.
Where's @Snail when you need her?
I have deleted my answer after I learned of your opinion.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. She needs sleep
@CopperKettle I know, my nagging doesn't know.
@CopperKettle Still fishy.
Yes, I'm looking through a COCA search output for "after I met", and there are no similar constructions yet.
Interesting.
So the prepositional finite-verb clause, serving as an adverbial of time, forces the temporary meaning of the whole sentence to "an event that happens in a specific timeframe".
09:33
IMHO, it's marginal. I think most people would think it's a little weird, and some may think it's ungrammatical.
Because it has after in the place of since.
09:57
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Q: Does English have an equivalent to the Arabic "Far away from you"?

user151577Arabic has an idiomatic expression which translates as "Far away from you". Is there something similar in English? If something low or contemptible is cited the expression usually immediately follows it in a sentence, to diminish the ignobility, impudence and lowliness in it or believed to be in...

I recalled only "by your leave"
Noun: by your leave ‎(plural by your leaves)
  1. Request for permission.
  2. 1946, Konstantin Trenev, In a Cossack Village, and Other Stories
  3. 1986, Judith A. Jance, Trial by Fury
This one is especially for @snailboat: What do you call a differently gender-identified elementary schoolchild with no arms and an eyepatch?
10:19
@CopperKettle I'm not sure if "by your leave" is right; I'm not even how I should understand "far away from you" in Arabic. I guess it's a fixed expression.
I can think of a few expressions in Thai, things roughly translated as "How unfortunate!" "It was my turn!" "Shit happens!" and so on.
Usually replied with "(Try to) think (of it as you've) paid it forward (so a more unfortunate event won't happen to you next time)". -- คิดซะว่าฟาดเคราะห์ก็แล้วกัน
I posted pardon my French and excuse my language in the comments. I guess the Arabic version is highly culture-specific.
nods -- I think so, especially when the OP mentioned the typical reply.
Oh, maybe it's more like another expression in Thai: โชคดีที่ไม่ใช่นาย ("Good it wasn't you!")
10:43
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Q: Meaning of "prove this otherwise"

Lee The provision made at the end of cl 17 enables a purchaser, if he wishes, to prove affectation at the relevant date by production of the appropriate written statement, in the present case stating affectation at the date of contract by a proposal for siting of a road. If he wishes, however, he ...

I cannot make heads or tails of this passage.
I haven't read the passage, but isn't the meaning he could prove this otherwise quite clear?
Yes, it's quite clear. But "prove affectation"? LOLWUT?
Oh!
Is it a legal term?
no, I looked in legal dictionaries - no such term
"If he wishes, however, he could prove this otherwise by evidence given directly to establish the proposal an affectation by it." - whaaat? O_o The whole clause is garbled.
I can't understand it if I treat it as plain English.
trying to search for it...
10:48
I tried searching for "affectation legal definition", to no avail.
Yes, I copied it correctly. The purchaser is trying to rescind the contract by proving that the land he purchased was affected by the proposal by the Department of Main Roads to build a tunnel at the date of the contract. — Lee 34 secs ago
Australia?
I dunno.. no kangaroos mentioned in the text, so it's hard to tell.
I don't think there are very many countries that have their Department of Main Roads.
10:59
nods
> So long as people can demonstrate that they may be affected more than an ordinary member of the public, they can establish sufficient affectation to attract the protection of natural justice.
Oh, it's antipodean legalese.
Anonymous
@CopperKettle Seems ungrammatical to me, but maybe try inserting as or to be to make sense of it.
"to establish the proposal an affectation by it" - where to insert to be?
Good afternoon, Snails!
Anonymous
Before an. But as might be better.
Anonymous
11:12
I don't know.
Horrible legalese.
Anonymous
My SnailParser™ says the sentence doesn't work.
Anonymous
When and where was it written?
Anonymous
@JimReynolds Um.
Anonymous
11:14
Mostly armless?
@snailboat RLDD (Robot Language Detective Damkerng) thinks it's from Australia. Should be recently.
Anonymous
@jimsug What say you?
Anonymous
Does establish work that way?
You rang?
Let's see...
Anonymous
I rang! :-)
11:20
Where's the full judgement? It really does seem like a typo.
I wonder if the OP will let us know.
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Q: Meaning of "prove this otherwise"

Lee The provision made at the end of cl 17 enables a purchaser, if he wishes, to prove affectation at the relevant date by production of the appropriate written statement, in the present case stating affectation at the date of contract by a proposal for siting of a road. If he wishes, however, he ...

They think they've copied it correctly.
Anonymous
This is a remarkably bad piece of drafting even by legal standards. — StoneyB 14 mins ago
I think it works.
Anonymous
I don't know what affectation means in this context.
11:23
I can understand the meaning, but that use of establish is a bit too innovative for me, I think.
If he wishes, however, he could prove this otherwise by evidence given directly to establish the proposal an affectation by [evidence given directly to establish the proposal].
@snailboat Ah, that's why I was rather sure that it was from Australia!
21 mins ago, by Damkerng T.
> So long as people can demonstrate that they may be affected more than an ordinary member of the public, they can establish sufficient affectation to attract the protection of natural justice.
establish works for me, it's affectation that I'm not sure about... hang on, let me get my legal dictionary.
^From Modern Administrative Law in Australia: Concepts and Context
@jimsug Now it works for me. It was just a mixed bag before your reformulation. Thank you!
11:26
The condition of having been been influenced?
Something like that.
Anonymous
@JimReynolds You owe me a punchline other than 'mostly armless' :-)
I know! Can you do me the favor of citing my setup?
Anonymous
Too much effort. I'm on my phone :-)
I can help. Hold, please.
1 hour ago, by Jim Reynolds
This one is especially for @snailboat: What do you call a differently gender-identified elementary schoolchild with no arms and an eyepatch?
11:31
@DamkerngT. There must be some slang term for a small kid, and this term might resemble a term for "pirate".
I have no idea this time. "No arms, an eyepatch?" "..."
Yes jimsug! Affect/effect has a deeper level of complexity underneath the oft-mentioned "common confusion". Rather Zen.
@JimReynolds The way it's used in the OP's text makes me think that it's an established use over there.
You mean the legal definition of affectation?
11:37
No, I meant the use of affectation in our question.
Not the definition given by Garner.
Also, it's used exactly that way in the book I quoted a text from above (Modern Administrative Law in Australia: Concepts and Context): books.google.com/books?id=mtvSAgAAQBAJ&pg=PA213
I wonder if "In order to decrease the likelihood of this error" is okay, or it should be "In order to decrease the likelihood of this error occurring"
Melikes the former, but it sounds somewhat clunky. Just my ear, though.
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A: Make something difficult to occur

CopperKettleI would phrase it thus: It must be noted that if a car drives along a bus route while exhibiting the same behaviour, the algorithm will define the vehicle as a bus and will try to detect its route and direction. In order to decrease the likelihood of this error, the number of the stops in ...

It seems to have passed by J.R.'s
Nice! :D
Anonymous
11:44
Wow, melikes!
Meyikes!
How about my back-formation of the day? :-)
Anonymous
Was it formed by analogy to methinks?
Yes! :D
It's in the Urban Dictionary!
Anonymous
11:45
I suspected as much! :-)
Pronounced: (Mĕ'lee'kĕ) Turkish female name meaning "Little Angel". Derived from the Turkish female name Melek meaning angel.
Anonymous
Those are just homographs :-)
@CopperKettle (/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
(0:
A mellifluous name!
@CopperKettle "proposal an affectation by it" Ok, this was a typo. The actual sentence is "proposal and affectation by it". Sorry about the confusion. — Lee 26 secs ago
(/¯◡ ‿ ◡)/¯ ~ ┻━┻
Thanks for your help, Dam. Did you get the joke (riddle), snailboat?
Anonymous
11:48
Methinks is pretty much unique at this point.
Anonymous
@JimReynolds No! Not at all.
Anonymous
Are you waiting for me to figure it out? :-)
Medoubts that (0:
Anonymous
@CopperKettle *!
11:49
I answered above: Names!
Anonymous
Okay, I'll read that again once I've had some caffeine and hope for the best!
Anonymous
Come on brain, find some morsel of sense in that pile of words!
Anonymous
Stupid brain.
I still can't figure that out! @JimReynolds
Was it supposed to be an acronym or something?
Anonymous
@CopperKettle Medoubts isn't part of the English language that English speakers carry around with them everywhere in their heads.
Anonymous
11:52
You can always form things by analogy, but I think it's pretty solidly nonstandard.
I think it depends on cultural background knowledge, Dam.
nods -- When a robot gets confused...
It may be interesting to explain/understand. Let's do it when I'm at a full-sized keyboard. I'm also handicapped on my phone ATM.
Thanks in advance. :D
Anonymous
11:54
-d
I blamed that on my fingers. :-)
Anonymous
:D
Anonymous
-d
@DamkerngT. Thanks in advantage.
Anonymous
You probably want to say I blame rather than I blamed.
11:55
@snailboat But I blamed it on them before you typed -d. :P
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Q: Separated at birth?

Mari-Lou A It's uncanny! The handsome rugged features, the piercing gaze... could it be? :))

Does that make sense?
Anonymous
Still :-)
Ahh -- aktionarts can be a real pain...
@snailboat Thanks!
@DamkerngT. Aktionsart you mean?
11:56
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Seeta and Geeta. (0:
@CopperKettle Pita and Peta.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I guess I'll never get this word right! :D
Anonymous
You can just say aspect, and lexical aspect when you want to talk about aspect as a trait of particular lexical items.
@DamkerngT. Don't worry. Typos are not uncommon in December.
Thx! :D
11:58
@CopperKettle STOP EDITING THAT GODDAMMIT
I mean stop editing that.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Why? I fixed the name of the movie. (a terrible Indian movie with dances at each turn)
Anonymous
Linguistics has a lot of loanwords, and some of them are rather challenging for people to remember.
Anonymous
Dvandva compound, for example.
@CopperKettle Since I just got 3 billion pings.
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. I see. I won't. Do. This. Further.
Anonymous
11:59
Really, a lot of the terminological landscape in linguistics is rather unfortunate.
@CopperKettle (ノT_T)ノ ^┻━┻
People should stop pinging @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.
@snailboat So true!
@JimReynolds Hey.
@JimR how are you?
12:00
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Ho!
@JimR I wonder if we should ping you a lot.
@JimR how've you been?
Anonymous
I don't think the difference between accomplishment and achievement is at all easy to remember. The words are almost interchangeable in normal speech, so why give them opposing technical definitions?
@JimR what time is it?
Anonymous
And linguistics has far too many words that begin with 'p'.
@JimR who moved my cheese?
12:01
Time to ping @Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ., Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.?
Anonymous
Frankly, it's ridiculous that adposition and apposition are completely different things, and that postpositions and postposition are likewise different concepts.
Anonymous
What about phrasal verbs? Then down the road, you run into a paper that talks about phasal verbs and you think it's a typo!
@JimReynolds Yes.
@JimR I mean no.
@snailboat My favorite: predicates (What is it, exactly?!)
And inhalation and exhalation? It's exhausting o.O
Anonymous
12:03
@DamkerngT. A difficult question, as the subject-predicate relationship is rooted in semantics, but is now often used to describe a type of syntactic relationship!
@DamkerngT. It's an italicized word.
@JimReynolds How about wax on, wax off. :-)
@JimReynolds Excredible?
@CopperKettle Haha!
wondering where I can get one of those...
Anonymous
12:06
@JimReynolds Why is the hypernym of inhalation and exhalation respiration rather than plain ol' halation? :-)
Anonymous
"What are you doing?" "Just haling, in- and ex-."
@DamkerngT. On the military black market, probably. (0:
Hehe! A closer look at their cousin: youtube.com/… -- Must be a great shopping companion.
"Fido, would you mind carry this for me?" "My pleasure, sir."
Anonymous
Aww
12:09
If only she(?) could get a pair of those legs!
Haling taxis?
Anonymous
Did I mention a second hamster girl has become a member of our household? :-)
@snailboat Nice! (0:
@snailboat Yes.
21 secs ago, by snailboat
Did I mention a second hamster girl has become a member of our household? :-)
@snailboat Oh! Congrats!
12:11
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. No, in that deictic time (Td; the time of rendering the sentence) there was yet no prior mention of that. Read Huddleston and Pullum. (0:
Anonymous
@JimReynolds I don't like it when it hales. Raining cats and dogs I can handle, but haling taxis? That seems a bit beyond the pale.
@snailboat So you're two hamsters, three snails and two people who don't know who to look after right now?
Anonymous
A lot of animals live outside here, too, but not as many thanks to the drought.
Anonymous
It's been raining a lot lately, though!
Anonymous
We have a new family of squirrels here. They're black squirrels.
12:12
It's been snowing cats and dogs here for days.
@CopperKettle No, a weird physicist said "the future exists now".
We should have Dam program this chat to limit the numner of concurrent topics!
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Alas, Huddleston and Pullum are not weird physicists but plain linguists. Otherwise, their book would've been funnier.
@JimReynolds Current max. number of concurrent topics: 42
Snow in winter in Russia? I had no idea!
12:14
@snailboat We've usual brownish squirrels here. Lots of them in parks across the city.
@JimReynolds Me neither. Who knew?
@JimReynolds (0:
Anonymous
Can brown and grey squirrels breed with black squirrels?
Haha. Max topics < # tabs Dam has open!
Must be global freezing.
12:15
Lol MAR
@JimReynolds Let's prove that wrong.
Global freezing was this summer, the average July temperature was 15C.
@JimReynolds See how modest I am. :P
@snailboat Why not?
12:15
@CopperKettle Black eats other colors.
Anonymous
Oh, interesting! Black squirrels aren't a separate species, apparently.
@snailboat They're just old.
Charlie Chaplin old.
"Red and grey squirrels are different species (Sciurus vulgaris and Sciurus carolinensis, respectively) and are not reproductively compatible." (Sciencefocus.com)
Hah! They're incompatible?!
Anonymous
What sort are black squirrels?
12:18
@DamkerngT. Yes, at hardware level..
Maybe we should rename one of them.
The black squirrel occurs as a melanistic subgroup of the eastern gray squirrel and of the fox squirrel. They are common in the Midwestern United States, eastern Canada, and parts of the Northeastern United States and the United Kingdom. == Habitat == As a melanistic variety of the eastern gray and of the fox squirrel, individual black squirrels can exist wherever grey or fox squirrels live. Among eastern squirrels, grey mating pairs cannot produce black offspring. Gray squirrels have two copies of a normal pigment gene and black squirrels have either one or two copies of a mutant pigment gene...
No interwikis at all for this article
I think those guys in my garden are brown ones, but are they really squirrels? I don't know.
Guys just so you know, I'm gonna answer this question:
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Q: nonellipsed forms: "to glory" vs. "to hell" - Is there a rule?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. To glory! I've come across the bizarre (is it?) question that's asking me to write the complete form of this exclaiming 'sentence'. I came along the sentence below as the nonellipsed expansion: [Let's go] to glory! However, it gets a bit hilarious if you want to apply the same to "to h...

Go for it!
Anonymous
12:22
@DamkerngT. One interesting thing about learning languages is the set of animal words you learn.
@snailboat nods -- It could be tough too!
@snailboat I don't even know animal words in my mother tongue.
In Russian, "squirrel" is belka (sounds familiar?)
Anonymous
Different animals are common in different areas. Squirrels are not that common in Japan, for example.
Anonymous
Whereas I had no idea what a cormorant was until I started learning Japanese.
Anonymous
12:23
Of course, you can chalk that up to my general ignorance, if you like :-)
@CopperKettle Hmm . . . Where have I heard that before?
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Soviet Space Dogs, Belka and Strelka
Chalking that up to @Snail's general non-existent ignorance
@CopperKettle Oh I didn't go that far.
Hmm... cormorants look like pelicans! (Cormorant is a new word to me.)
Anonymous
@DamkerngT. They're called u in Japanese.
12:25
To me too.
I still don't know what it is.
@snailboat How convenient!
Anonymous
They're cute!
Anonymous
@snailboat Wow, that's . . .
12:26
Oh, this little guy doesn't look quite like a pelican.
My inner thought: A bird! It must be a bird!
Anonymous
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. It's a considerably shorter, simpler word :-)
@snailboat Microcarbo_melanoleucos_Austins_Ferry? Hmm, the name looks like that of an evil virus that will end life on Earth some day.
Having both Austins and Ferry in it makes it sound quite friendly, imo.
Anonymous
I'm sure there are a lot of people who've never studied Japanese who know the word cormorant. There are a lot more animal words in English than I'm familiar with, though.
@Dam is reproductively compatible with . . .
12:29
@snailboat do you know the word kine?
Anonymous
I've mentioned this before, but another bird word I learned while studying Japanese is plover. They're called chidori (lit. 'thousand birds') in Japanese.
Anonymous
And they are adorable!
shudders!
Anonymous
12:30
Hah!
@snailboat These are cute.
Oh, oh! I like this guy!
In Russian, such a bird is called Rzhanka
Very beak-coming.
O.O
12:31
(0:
I remember that I went crazy trying to take as many photos as I could when I saw them in Germany; my friend laughed asking me "Haven't you seen any bird?" :-)
@CopperKettle Er, how should I pronounce that?
/rjanka/ -- the a ending makes it a female noun
If you pronounced it cotrectly, MAR, your spleen would eject from your throat.
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Q: Poll: Retag questions with the "grammar" tag, or not?

Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ.We've discussed this issue finely in Is This Tag Useful? Episode 1 - The Big Boss (grammar) and A proposed solution to the "grammar" dilemma -- Please contribute your answers to the "what is grammar" post. However, a recent question came up with the tag, which was initially locked. It made me rea...

Rim Jeynolds please go vote.
RIGHT NOW
12:33
Ok
@JimReynolds What . . . What did you do to me?
Ha! Heaven only built Russian people to pronounce it without injury.
Why? It's not that hard to pronounce. (0: Polish has a lot more such combinations.
I think there must be some good name for this concept: when some people (me! for example) simply call everything that flies and looks like a bird a "bird".
Could be related to language learning. I mean, we generally don't have to use the most precise word all the time.
Noun: thingamajig ‎(plural thingamajigs)
  1. Something that one does not know the name of.
12:38
LOL
Chalk it up to ... I was just thinking recently: Do kids today know what chalk is?
Oh, I just got a couple more ideas for TheBook's question!
> It must be noted if a car drives a bus route with the same behaviour, the algorithm will define the vehicle as a bus and try to detect its route and direction. But to impede this case, the number of the stops in the history table to define producer's behaviour as a bus of the Verkehrsbetriebe Halle (Halle Transport Authority) can be raised.
> a) But to keep the number of this case low/at the minimum, the number of the stops ...
> b) But to reduce the number of this case, the number of the stops ...
@JimReynolds Yes.
This kid does at least.
@DamkerngT. Feel free to post a new answer!
12:46
On the way! :D
Anonymous
@JimReynolds The kids next door went outside and drew on the sidewalk a few months ago.
Anonymous
They probably know what chalk is :-)
Anonymous
Does McDonald's have unhealthy food all over the world?
Anonymous
Anonymous
12:50
Look at the challenge set (top). It's like 2500 calories in one meal!
@snailboat Actually it really is something like that.
Lately, I order only orange juices when I go there.
Anonymous
@Ϻ.Λ.Ʀ. Yes, it is, I wasn't exaggerating :-)
Crocodiles eat averagely once a month. McDonald wants to turn humans into crocodiles.
If a croc gang gets so lucky to catch a buffalo or something, some of them go without food for up to six months.
If a python eats a zebra, it'll go without food for a year.
I wonder if it really can eat a zebra!
12:54
It spends the first month primarily trying to digest the zebra. So you can think of it as covering the zebra with snake skin.
Did "chalk it up to . . ." come from from to write (up on the board?) in chalk?
Anonymous
I don't know.

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