Hello

hiya

apart from English and Dutch, what languages do you speak

Haha not that again...

yup

My German and my French are not good enough to translate anything serious.

I could try Latin.

well i did the french already

Good.

so your german is not really good?

well let's try anyway

It's not.

I only read it.

Besides, I have to go in a minute.

sigh

ok dutch then

first, what are "OK" "Apply" and "Cancel"?

@Cerberus come on i just need a few strings

@Jez OK, Toepassen, Annuleren

ok

I can do the Dutch.

and what is "Configure preferred locales for web content"

(the existing translation just uses the noun "locales" for locales)

What does it mean exactly?

By locales you probably mean languages?

Preferred by whom?

it pops up a window allowing the user to configure the order of languages/locales they would like to see the content in

Ah.

yeah but i use the term locales because you get eg. en-US, en-GB

So will the content be displayed in one "locale" only, or can it be mixed?

one only, but for example if you have fr as your top locale, france24.com will redirect you to their french site

it's one of the HTTP headers that gets sent

Ah OK.

however, you have a list of locales in order of preference

hence "preferred locales"

How's that?

if that's the most natural Dutch

there's no "preferred" then?

The English translation is word by word, but it sounds natural in Dutch.

At least as natural as possible without being unclear.

also can you use "locale" instead of "language" even if it is an esoteric term here

There is "by preference".

I have used talen, "languages".

yeah

can you use locales

You could, but no user would understand what that was.

well the dutch guy on babelzilla translated it locales for other strings

It is a technical word used only by developers.

this extension is technical

Normal people wouldn't know.

so that's ok

Okay, well, if you say so.

Or this would be a nice occasion to fight that ugly word...

i think it's a great word

it incorporates the notion of language and culture/region

that's the whole point

i don't speak a different "language" from Americans but i have a different locale

A locale is a place, not a language, except to those people who use it in software.

and this is being used very much in software

You can still use the word language, it doesn't have to be so exact. Not using the word language here serves no practical purpose.

soooooooo...

nevertheless i'd like to serve no practical purpose

As you wish.

so what's the translation with locale?

There is no translation.

oh come on

Of course not.

It's not even a real word in English, with that meaning.

i can assure you as an English native that it is

You'd have to use the English word.

well ok let's use the english word

But, really, anyone who can write software in Holland can read English.

What purpose is there to a Dutch translation of a technical software thingy?

so what would the translation be in that case?

The same, except switch talen with locales.

well it's on babelzilla so i just want to complete these few strings for completeness

ok

You're being very impractical today!

and finally "Select user interface locale:"

yeah there's that word again lol

For the interface that the technical extension user is using?

Locale kiezen voor gebruikersinterface.

for the browser's user interface

ie. menus, buttons, etc.

Locale kiezen voor de bediening van de browser.

ok great

thanks

"Locale choose for the operation of the browser."

yup

it's annoying when Babelzilla people start translating, then abandon the translation

See, my translation are already clearer than your English descriptions.

what does one do - try to keep it going manually or just abandon the whole thing?

Heh.

the trouble is babelzilla is basically dead

I would generally not bother if it is about technical extensions.

l10n for extensions is very hard now

Just use English.

|10n?

localization

Hardly anyone in Holland would care.

And people who write software will not care anywhere in the world.

advanced users who use browsers might

i cant remember when i started replacing my hardcoded english for entities allowing l10n

it was ages ago

but im thinking i shouldn't have bothered...... i dunno

it's a bit of extra work, but not too much

(except for the translations themselves of course)

I certainly would never bother!

quite a few Fx extensions do

also you speak good English. many Europeans don't.

I suppose it is a nice gesture.

even fewer Asians do

They may not speak good English, but they can still read simple things like buttons.

or South Americans

yeah but it's not all simple things

But those who would program in English can no doubt read your buttons in English!

as i said it's also advanced users

The more advanced, the more likely that they will know enough English to figure it out...

But I suppose it is a nice gesture.

some guy translated it into Urdu

no-one will use it but it still looks cool for it to render in Urdu in RTL

Hehe.

Huh, is Urde written RTL?

as for borrowing words from other languages... i've always preferred native English words to, say, French. they just have that... je ne sais quoi.

But surely Hindi is not?

Firefox langpack for Urdu transforms it into RTL.

Borrowing can be ugly, sure.

Urdu is more Persian... would it be similar to Hindi?

> Apart from specialized vocabulary, Urdu is mutually intelligible with Standard Hindi, which is associated with the Hindu community.

So they're almost the same language.

i18nguy.com/temp/rtl.html

Persian and Urdu are from different sub-branches of the Indo-Iranian sub-branch.

But apparently Urdu and Hindi use very different scripts.

yup

im surprised Urdi isn't more like Arabic

Persian is nothing like Arabic either!

Just the script.

And probably borrowed words.

They're even entirely different linguistic families.