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00:02
Anyone know how buggy Ubuntu mobile is?
@ChristopherPeart I don't know about buggy, but as far as I can tell no one wants Ubuntu mobile.
because why would you want it?
andriod and ios both provide pretty nice UIs
with almost eeverything you want
and jailbreaking an ios device allows even more
Actually I'd love Ubuntu Touch.
No one really develops for Ubuntu Mobile tho
00:13
Writing apps with GTK/GObject/GNOME ecosystem is a hell of a lot easier than Android dev.
And I hate GObject so that's actually saying a lot.
It may be easier, but no one does it for phones.
Who needs to?
They're already doing it for desktops, and if you know how to use GTK right it's not that much of a jump
So what you're saying is, Ubuntu phone is fine if you want to port the apps yourself?
I only have one SO question that is negative that is non removed. :(
And i still have le question ban
@Pavel No. I'm saying the apps probably won't need porting.
And if they do it would be significantly easier than Android.
If you've ever tried to write an Android app post-Honeycomb you know what I'm talking about
00:17
Anyone want to screw with the system?
Fragments are hell.
Can you get Geometry Dash on Ubuntu Phone? Didn't think so.
I am planning on getting a few people to go and have a random chat session in the trash
@Pavel Point taken
@Pavel ....??
I don't... get your point?
And what is Geometry Dash
Best game evar
00:18
@quartata Game
You use your phone for games?
Why not just use a tablet
@Pavel I thought the lesson was we should not use android
and just use ubuntu
@quartata dats what i use
I know I'm weird but I try to keep my phone pretty minimalist with regards to apps and keep all my other junk on my tablet
@quartata Tablets are expensive.
My 4 year old Nexus 7 was pretty dang cheap if I remember right
00:20
I suppose you could run steam on wine on your ubuntu phone.
That seems like an awful idea tho
Why Wine?
Steam runs natively.
@quartata I actually have a nexus 7 :P 2013
That is what i use for everything mobile
Mainly clash royale
@quartata Geometry Dash is a windows exlusive
Doesn't sound like it's worth playing then
If they bothered to port it to mobile but not anywhere else
Geometry dash is eh
00:21
No, it's a mobile game.
That they ported to PC
After several years.
Oh. That's even weirder
It's not that weird, it's incredibly popular, so they ported it to PC. Angry Birds, fruit ninja, etc. all got PC ports.
Though the graphics on some of the levels are too intense even for my laptop >_>
00:49
Anyone want to help me with my problem-solving skills?
@Pavel Can you not just run Geometry Dash directly with Wine?
@ASCII-only No, the only PC version is on steam.
@Pavel And? It still has an executable, you know.
@ASCII-only The executable attempts to open Steam if it isn't already open and exits with an error if it can't open Steam.
It wouldn't be hard to patch opening Steam out of the executable though
00:55
It's not open source though, modifying the executable is illegal.
You might as well run a pirate version under wine.
@DemCodeLines sure??
Hmm true, but that means it wouldn't be very hard for the devs to port to Ubuntu Mobile
Probably not, but it's been out for a few years and hasn't happened yet.
@Pavel This would mean it doesn't work in offline mode which I highly doubt.
@ChristopherPeart I have two code repositories that I am supposed to build (just compiling their code). Let's call them 1 and 2. This is Java, so it has JAR dependencies. Well, when I run the build script on repository 1, there are two JAR errors that come up. However, when the exact same script (different script, but same content) runs on repository 2, those errors don't come. The code is the same (mostly) and so are the JAR files.
If I run repository 2's build script on repo 1's code and JARs, it still fails. I can't understand why, when it's the exact same thing.
01:02
@DemCodeLines Have you tried to check for demons? Anyways can you link the repos? Or are they not open source. It sounds like you need to have the dependencies for 1 checked to make sure it has access to all of them
@quartata Well, it's probably a bit more complicated than that, but the DRM checks to make sure that your account is allowed to run GeometryDash at some point.
@ChristopherPeart It's not open source. Internal repositories. I have tried several methods: 2's code and 2's JARs with 1's script, 2's code with 1's JAR and script, 1's code and 2's JAR and script etc. All result in error. The only one that doesn't throw an error is 2's files/JARs/script. It doesn't make sense, as 1's script is the same as 2's. So if I use 2's code and JARs on 1's script, it should work. But it doesn't :(
ohhhhh shiiiiit
@Pavel Run steam in wine?
I do it, it works
01:21
@CheckOutTomato What happened
@CheckOutTomato How do these things work?
I accidentally ended up overwriting my windows installation.
its ok, I have a backup, but still
@MistahFiggins you install their utility and then type asciinema rec
@CheckOutTomato Even if it works (which it probably does) wouldn't that be way too much overhead for a mobile game?
@ASCII-only No...
Lots of people do this for other games...
@CheckOutTomato Rip
01:23
> Ruo
Don't judge my typштп ылшдды
щззы ыцфзув ещ гыышфт
Gah swapped to russian
црн вщ нщг умут рфму кгыышфт луныуе штыефддув
@CheckOutTomato This happened, I bet
translation: why do you even have russian keyset installed
@CheckOutTomato Literally for fun
I also have dvorak
01:25
> Divorak
Stahp
@Downgoat what of these characters do you want to be the dedicated goat meme generator
я не знаю как печатать на этой раскладке
еле написал
Still loading google translate
@CheckOutTomato вы просто перевод на русский язык?
нет я на самом деле знаю русский язык
Я не и я просто с помощью Google Translate ... Я бы на самом деле хотел бы знать русский, но это выглядит очень сложно
Как Google Translate держишься?
01:32
i no and i just with help Google Translate... i would actually want to know Russian, but it looks very hard
2nd part held up
but it was learn not know
Literal translation. Looks like it didn't handle dont well
It translated to "know", "learn" would probably be "изучить"
also, tlit.org is a big help
@CheckOutTomato what is that for?
chrome translate doesn't work
01:36
Try typing into the big text box
It types russian
Cool
ohhhh. So you can type without setting keyboard to russian
basically changes transliterated Russian text back into the Cyrillic script. It's a big help for typing in Russian if you don't know the keyboard layout йцукен
Not the actual keyboard layout though, this is responsive and phonetic.
That last word was learned? (i was wrong :(
no, it is literally the first six letters
like qwerty on the US keyboard
actually, same positions as qwerty on the US keyboard
01:39
Try going to tlit.org, typing "ya ne sosiska" and put that into google translate
@CheckOutTomato wat
@ChristopherPeart ?
@ChristopherPeart Yes, that's correct
никогда не будет давать вас
01:42
bat attempt at very badly mistranslated rickrolling
Translated as basically "[it] will never give you"
@CheckOutTomato no you need to link to never gonna shoot your stars now
@DestructibleWatermelon ugh can you please delete that message
ugh you gave it away
do u cri everytiem?
01:47
ye
i cri :,(
02:05
Is it sad if my addiction to answering questions on SE is so bad that I used google translate to answer a question on the Russian SO?
@CheckOutTomato Sure, I run Steam in Wine, but it probably wouldn't perform too well on an Ubuntu Phone.
@Pavel What are the phone's specs?
@CheckOutTomato I don't know, but running steam on wine on a phone seems like a bad idea.
Also, thank you SO MUCH for introducing me to RubyMine!
@Pavel So you have a Ubuntu Phone?
No, it was a theoretical discussion.
@CheckOutTomato Yeah, I'm using it today, It keeps trying to install packages with Gem but it doesn't have permission to.
@Pavel Try cd'ing into the directory and type bundle install
I ended up chmod 755ing the directory Gem installs to.
If you do that, it will ask you for sudo.
I did that.
I can sudo from the command line, but not from RubyMine
02:18
no, it would not need to install the gems once you perform bundle install
I didn't know I was supposed to bundle install
@CheckOutTomato Did that just now, Unknown command bundle
@Pavel bin/bundle install
Oh, bin
huh. have you gem install bundler
GitGoat is current going to basically be like Twitter but for GitHub
02:24
Now it says Could not locate Gemfile when I do bundle install
@Pavel there is a Gemfile in your working dir right?
Yes
bundler-1.14.6.gem
;-;
nuke it from orbit
... that is not a gemfile
as in ./Gemfile
oh
Can I grep for filenames?
02:28
find . -type f -name Gemfile
./gems/powerpack-0.1.1/Gemfile
./gems/ast-2.3.0/Gemfile
./gems/rake-12.0.0/Gemfile
./gems/parser-2.4.0.0/Gemfile
./gems/rainbow-2.2.1/Gemfile
./gems/bundler-1.14.6/lib/bundler/templates/Gemfile
Awesome.
what are you trying to do?
Run bundle install
You told me to
no, but in general
Well, in general, get RubyMine to stop complaing at me everytime it needs to install a package for something.
I think it failed to install three seperate ones when I tried to create a Gem.
02:34
huh.
never had that issue
CDNs are very good
obtw hi
:\
idk either
02:50
Well, I can't understand buoyancy because of that.
buoyancy happens when density is lower
How to forget clippy forever
1. clip him in a book
2. forget him forever
RubyMine keep complaining that I want my indents to be of size 4 ;-;
I just make them 2
doesn't it autosense that?
But I want it to be four
RubyMine gives a warning that my indents are the wrong size.
I use 4, it wants 2
I officially started development of Processtack, Processing made Stack-based.
@MatthewRoh import java.util.Stack; Stack<Object> stack=new Stack<>();
:\
It's more like a golfing-stack-based-processing
@LearnHowToBeTransparent The lower example is not accurate. Even something super light like a piece of styrofoam displaces a small amount of water, so it's bottom face would not exactly align with the surface of the water. "Floatation" just means the act of floating.
03:06
:3583486 got it.
Anonymous
@LearnHowToBeTransparent Please don't inappropriately use diacritics. It's distracting from the actual message.
@LearnHowToBeTransparent its like, the water wants to go down from gravity more than the object does
it might be directly on the water if the surface tension is applied
#todo suppressing the Empty if statement inspection makes me so happy.
I used P5.js and its really good
@MatthewRoh Good for children but not so much for 18+ people.
03:17
processing functions outside setup and draw is fantastic
also does 13y/os apply as "adults"
No
OK then
@LearnHowToBeTransparent I think the term you're looking for is "People with a job"
Hi phi
03:28
P5.js has a problem of not having eval with its functions, but I generally like the library
03:40
@MatthewRoh What game did you make with it?
It's not yet a game
@MatthewRoh why don't you use pure HTML5 canvas?
It's more like an interpreter for my new language, Processtack
It was far easier to use Processing for those stuff
Anyone know how to get logisim to refresh its "Open Recent" list?
03:59
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Q: Batch file subfolder searcher

xX_FoOFY_XxI need a batch file (.bat) that will search for part or all of a file name in the current folder and any subfolders as quick as possible

@NewMainPosts Vote to Close
Wow, New Main Posts really helps us to crack down on all of that stuff
Lightning quick
It was already at 4 close votes before getting here
Oh, oh well
Dec 13 '16 at 21:49, by Calvin's Hobbies
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I still say we should make a thingy that's faster than the RSS feeds. Even the API quota of 10,000 requests per day would easily allow a new-post check every 10 seconds (per bot).
04:05
Wouldn't they SE people get annoyed if you refresh the page every ten seconds?
No. They will auto-throttle you as I linked.
> While not strictly a throttle, the API employs heavy caching and as such no application should make semantically identical requests more than once a minute. This is generally a waste of bandwidth as, more often than not, the exact same result will be returned.
10,000 requests are allowed per day, that's one request every 8.64 seconds maximum
@Pavel Ok, but that's still faster than the RSS feeds. Updates every 30 seconds would do
You could slightly change alternate calls to bypass the caching.
Yeah, the RSS feed bots are exceptionally slow. I have a couple of feed bots that read off of the youtube RSS feed, and there's still a pretty good delay before it posts.
04:12
The RSS bots here can take up to 20min, if not more
If you have an RSS bot in an old room, will the bot keep it from being frozen?
nope
well, not the built-in feed bots. Custom bots would
Proof of concept:
05:08
Atom vs VSCode?
05:49
@MatthewRoh Atom
Unless you want to do something with .NET
06:25
I wrote a short leap year detection script
!(y%4)&(y%100||(!(y%100)&!(y%400)))
(y is the year)
I want to say that it's perl judging by the amount of punctuation.
oh wait | instead of || could save a byte
(btw it was C++)
But it actually works in most languages.
darn ninja'd
/\d*([02468][048])|([13579][26])/
(Golfing in progress)
06:29
GH desktop is quite buggy
btw Its easier to use uploading files on the github site than CLI or Desktop
@MatthewRoh That will change if you ever need to change multiple files at once.
oh right
GH desktop is too buggy
On windows?
Get Git Bash.
I have git bash
Then why were you bothering with GH Desktop
06:39
I'm so dumb I cant use git bash :P
Paging @Downgoat
06:58
How can I turn a git repo into a website
Well, first you make a website.
Then you create a git remote host on it.
Then let people clone from there.
Or, don't do that and use Github.io instead.
07:15
Every time I nest parentheses 3 or more levels deep I add an extra one saying something about nested parentheses being cool or similar
Anonymous
@MatthewRoh Do you mean like GitHub pages?
@DestructibleWatermelon A Lisp programmer, I see.
I could make an organization but thats abuse
Wut
Why
What's wrong with making an organization.
07:22
Making an organization to get a custom subdomain is abuse
Anonymous
You make a branch called gh-pages, and push your files to it. You can only do static files and client-side scripting, so no PHP nonsense.
@MatthewRoh No, it really isn't.
Anonymous
Here's an example - ignore the fact that there is no gh-pages branch, because I have non-default project settings.
I mean like not [username].github.io/[repo] but [repo].github.io
That way it looks better
Oh wait
"Custom domain"
@Pavel no I mean when I'm legitimately writing stuff for school
Also, I'm doing a written submission for a task at school, but I had an idea to make it into a multimedia presentation
My idea is to edit the video of shia labeouf being a shouty man and everytime he says "do it" or something, I replace it with parts of my essay, it'll be great!
Anonymous
07:42
I've heard some terrible ideas, but that one might just win
Anonymous
Or lose. Whichever.
07:52
I have a challenge idea which is so simple I dont even need the sandbox
@Pavel yea?
Anonymous
I'm sure that will go over well
08:06
@Mego how do you win an assignment?
@MatthewRoh yeah said 50% of the people whose questions get closed after not being sandboxed
Anonymous
@DestructibleWatermelon No, I meant win (or lose, depending on your POV) the contest for worst idea
this is the teacher who puts memes in his presentations though, so I think he would be a bit lenient on something like this
:\
was that sarcasm
08:25
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Q: Convert singular to plural

Matthew RohThere are two forms of nouns, singular and plural. The conversion between these two is quite easy. Normally, you end it with s. ex. car => cars. If it ends with s,x,z,ch or sh, end it with es. ex. bus=>buses. If it ends with y with a consonant in front, change the y to ies. ex. penny => pennies...

done
whew
08:45
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Q: Convert singular to plural

Matthew RohThere are two forms of nouns, singular and plural. The conversion between these two is quite easy. Normally, you end it with s. ex. car => cars. If it ends with s,x,z,ch or sh, end it with es. ex. bus=>buses. If it ends with y with a consonant in front, change the y to ies. ex. penny => pennies...

09:15
Hello, does anyone as an idea in order to create the smallest possible elf file for google native client : groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/native-client-discuss/… ?
test
I know about
260
Q: "Hello, World!"

Martin EnderSo... uh... this is a bit embarrassing. But we don't have a plain "Hello, World!" challenge yet (despite having 35 variants tagged with hello-world, and counting). While this is not the most interesting code golf in the common languages, finding the shortest solution in certain esolangs can be a ...

but it definitely doesn't answer my kind of hello world question.
And of course, if ask it, it would be closed as a duplicate because of the question above.
Anonymous
@user2284570 It might be because I'm tired, but I'm not sure how that challenge related to your question
Why is my HDD's read error rate 19259394
Also, I finally switched ofer to my SSD. My computer is so much more responsive now
Terminal takes 1 sec to open instead of 10
Anonymous
If your terminal took 10 seconds to open, perhaps the problem wasn't with the disk, but rather the fact that you were using PowerShell as a terminal.
09:30
Yas my question is being successful
My IntelliJ Idea takes 5-10 minutes to open
@Mego Um, no.
I was using zsh and the actual terminal application was what took that long to load.
@Mego : because that one was wrongely closed ?
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Q: Shortest ELF for "Hello world\n"?

Yauhen YakimovichIs it possible to write (pack) a shorter than 145 bytes version of a program with "Hello world" (plus new line) output if the length of the program is measured as a number of bytes in program's ELF (x86) representation? Reduction technique in mind is described here: http://timelessname.com/elfb...

the question having answers for standard linux, it is no help too.
The real problem is I have no read knowledge about the elf format.
Anonymous
@user2284570 That was correctly closed because any solution to that challenge would be a valid solution on the general Hello World challenge, thus it's a cut-and-dry dupe.
Anonymous
@CheckOutTomato No
Anonymous
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@Mego Did that really deserve a kick?
Anonymous
@user2284570 The appropriate way to get a specific solution to a general challenge is to offer a bounty for it
@Mego : sure but there's no reason to expect a google chome armel elf file solution for the original challenge without getting it asked. That’s why I’m talking about it here instead.
Anonymous
@CheckOutTomato Unnecessary off-topic self-promotion while on-topic chat is going on. So, yes.
09:44
"Self-promotion"
Please define self-promotion.
Anonymous
@user2284570 Mention it in a comment. Add an indefinite bounty via the indefinite bounty meta thread.
Anonymous
@CheckOutTomato "hey look at what I'm doing"
@Mego : indefinite bounty meta thread ???
Anonymous
@user2284570 If you're not willing to expend the effort to search the meta site for it, neither am I
It's on PPCG's meta, not mother meta
I have an no idea of what it is, so I think it’s a feature request for all sites.
Anonymous
@user2284570 No, our meta site. meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com
wrong meta, but the search terms won't find it directly: meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/5243/…
it's the third question on the front page though
@Mego stackexchange.net?
Wouldn't that be meta.codegolf.stackexchange.com?
Anonymous
09:49
@CheckOutTomato (Jedi mind trick) you saw nothing...
Anonymous
I make that mistake with startling frequency
Well, we had meta.ppcg.lol...
had is the key word there
10:39
@CheckOutTomato you can dd status=progress
11:06
@Mego : ok it’s done.
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A: List of bounties with no deadline

user228457050 reputation for an Hello World version that consist of a Google’s native client executable. These are just elf files. but with special calling conventions. the file should be less than 1000 bytes. the file should contains runnable code without modifications. So it must be a .nexe or a shared...

I won’t start a bounty if I’m not sure that I will reward an appropriate answer.
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A: List of bounties with no deadline

user228457050 reputation for an Hello World version that consist of a Google’s native client executable. These are just elf files. but with special calling conventions. the file should be less than 1000 bytes. the file should contains runnable code without modifications. So it must be a .nexe or a shared...

 
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12:19
Heres my plan for the next challenge
'LMGTFY'
12:32
Are you going to use gh-pages for your interpreter for processstack?
12:44
@CheckOutTomato I was not paying attention and clicked the link
so mean
I cri
13:27
@KritixiLithos Nah, I'm using master as the source of the github page.
Then no online interpreter?
No, I meant its using master as the source of the online interpreter, not gh-pages.
Ah, I see
(Would it be better to move that to gh-pages and fill master with vanilla processing interpreter)
By vanilla you mean processing-java? If so, I'm in!
13:35
Sure! I don't know how to input text in processing btw
Also I have news that will hype you guys
@MatthewRoh Do you mean arguments?
Command line arguments are stored in the args String array IIRC
Processing, arguments, seems legit
Also, the hype news is: Google Code jam starts in 2 days!
It's the registration that starts in 2 days
@MatthewRoh I can help with the vanilla Processtack if you want
Thanks!
To flesh out the basics, how do you want numeric literals to behave? 123 pushes 1, 2, 3 or 123 pushes 123
Personally I think the latter is a better idea
13:51
Yeah I agree too
then 1;2;3 pushes 1, 2, 3?
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Q: First x Ultraprime Numbers

Xcoder123Definition of Ultraprimes: Numbers which have exactly 2 divisors are called Prime numbers. Numbers which are prime and their sum of digits is also a prime number are called Ultaprime numbers. Task: Given an integer x, compute all the Ultraprime numbers amongst the first x prime numbers, w...


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