The Nineteenth Byte

Your goal is to write a program that prints a number. The bigger the number, the more points you'll get. But be careful! Code length is both limited and heavily weighted in the scoring function. Your printed number will be divided by the cube of the number of bytes you used for your solution. So...

6th place on the leaderboard has deleted answer or broken link.

Riker

deleted

also, this is why:

> @primo Hm, unsure if this should be on the leaderboard if the output is still 6. – Simply Beautiful Art Jun 20 at 17:57

Simply Beautiful Art

Oh haha hi me

*coughs*

Riker

@SimplyBeautifulArt am I going crazy or is my leaderboard edit not right

I didn't change the numbers for 21, 22, 23, but it still lines up

Simply Beautiful Art

@Riker ?

Riker

ohhh

nvm it's all good

Simply Beautiful Art

1:26 AM

wdym?

lol

Um, okay

Riker

well, the markdown for numbers 21-23 is special

it just goes:

2. aa
2. bb

so it autofills the next correct number

which has now been lowered by 1

Simply Beautiful Art

Oh

Yeah, I noticed that too

(was also trying to edit)

Riker

there we go, made them all magic ;p

every single number is just '1' now

Simply Beautiful Art

Haha

beautiful

Riker

:P

I'm gonna edit a html comment in to preserve the magic

New Main Posts

2:11 AM

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Q: What do I need to destroy the world?

The gravitational binding energy of a planet is the amount of energy required to separate every tiny piece of it so that no piece will orbit or collide with another piece. For a uniform sphere, Wikipedia gives this formula: 3GM2 ----- 5R Where G is the gravitational constant (6.672e-...

code-golf physics

Challenger5

CMPP: Pass an argument to this function such that it doesn't return True

Riker

not possible I don't think

that's simple to prove too

@Challenger5 unless we can make our own type and submit that?

Challenger5

It has to be one expression.

And I have a solution...

Riker

hm

@Challenger5 f(is) technically doesn't return true

it just errors

Challenger5

The function actually does have to be called.

Riker

2:22 AM

it is called

Challenger5

Doesn't f(is) cause a parse error since is is a keyword?

Riker

it does

but the function is still called :p

Challenger5

So f is never called.

?

Riker

it's actually a syntax error I think

my editor allows me to make it to there fine before it errors out?

might just be my editor though

Challenger5

I'll put it this way: if I put a print statement on the first line of f, does the print statement run?

Destructible Lemon

3:18 AM

I think I can make a type for this?

how do you do that again

oh wait one expression

Challenger5

You could use (eval("class T: pass"), T())[1] or similar, or you could use the type constructor

Destructible Lemon

I wanted a bit of help with gimp image making thing

in this answer, it describes "tileable nine slices". how would i make something like that in gimp for a template I want to make?

(the answer itself isn't super relevant though)

ATaco

3:35 AM

I've recently grown fond of the Home and End keys for navigating things.

Steven H.

4:43 AM

I'm bad at understanding licensing agreements. Would the Jelly code page be considered a "substantial portion of the software" under the MIT license?

ais523

5:21 AM

@StevenH. you're looking at things backwards: the Jelly codepage is (probably) copyrightable (it's a creative work), so you can't use it without a license

as such, if you want to use it, I'd recommend just mentioning it in your licenses file

(it's usual for software projects to have a large file listing all its components and where they came from / how they're licensed)

Anonymous

Since the Jelly codepage was created for Jelly (and as far as I know, no identical codepage has been created previously), and it is a critical component of Jelly, it is also covered by the MIT License.

ais523

here's an example (this is more complex than most projects use); nethack4.org/pastebin/nethack4-copyright-20171127.txt

@Mego the MIT license only explicitly says that the copyright conditions need to be copied into copies and substantial portions; however, I think the point here is that even an insubstantial portion would still be copyrighted under those terms, so you'd probably have to copy the license anyway to clarify what they are

Anonymous

@ais523 Yes, but given that the Jelly codepage was created for Jelly, it would most likely be considered a substantial portion.

ais523

I don't think it works that way; just because X is only explainable in terms of Y doesn't mean that X is substantial relative to the size as a whole of Y

but the point is that in this case, you don't really have to work it out anyway

it's only good practice to copy the license terms of something into your license documentation whether they explicitly tell you to or not

the explicit request is only there so that a) people who are unfamiliar with copyright will obey it and b) to make it easier to prove that someone broke the license, if they did indeed break the license

Anonymous

The Jelly codepage did not exist before Dennis created it for Jelly. Because of that fact, it could be argued that the codepage is a substantial portion by the terms of the license agreement. In contrast, I couldn't claim that CP437 is a substantial portion of Seriously/Actually, because it existed long before the languages did.

ais523

5:35 AM

would you say that, say, the ¢ quick is a substantial portion of Jelly?

I'd argue that it's a very small portion, even though it was obviously created for Jelly

Anonymous

The algorithm for it is not, but the implementation relative to the rest of Jelly is.

ais523

I think you're using a definition of the word "substantial" that I don't understand

a substantial portion of something is more than a minimal portion of that thing, isn't it? or a portion of something that's not trivial

"substantial" doesn't mean "created for the purpose of"

Anonymous

In the sense of software licenses and intellectual property, a substantial portion is a non-trivial portion

ais523

right

for what it's worth, I think CP437 is as much (or almost as much) a part of Seriously as Jelly's codepage is of Jelly; the difference is that you don't own the copyright on it and thus it's not required to credit you for that reason

Anonymous

@ais523 I agree, but that's from the POV of programmers. We know how simple it would be to swap out the codepages. In the eyes of copyright law, though, the fact that the Jelly codepage was created for Jelly ties it together as the same intellectual property.

ais523

5:40 AM

you're arguing the wrong point here

the point under dispute is not "who owns the copyright for Jelly's codepage"

it's "what are the conditions, under the MIT license, for licensing a relatively small part of an existing piece of software"

Anonymous

Yes, and I gave an explanation for why the Jelly codepage would be legally considered a substantial portion of Jelly under the terms of the MIT License (and why, for the same reasons, CP437 would not be legally considered a substantial portion of Seriously/Actually under the terms of the MIT License).

ais523

yes, but the CP437 argument is missing the point; CP437 isn't a portion of the covered work at all, so whether it's substantial or not has nothing to do with the argument

Anonymous

Well no - I was merely presenting that as a counterexample

ais523

likewise, there are some things which are undoubtedly copyrightable (such as the order in which Jelly's quicks appear in the source code) but almost certainly don't rise to the requirement to become copyrightable, because they're a) entirely besides the point and b) trivial

s/copyrightable/substantial portions/

apparently I can't edit in corrections if I don't notice them immediately

Steven H.

7:10 AM

@ais523 Just to clarify, does this mean that any work that uses Jelly's code page has the MIT license apply to just the Jelly code page portion? Or to the entire project? I want to make absolutely sure that I know what I'm getting into

Anonymous

7:28 AM

@StevenH. Use of the Jelly code page probably requires compliance with the MIT License as applied to the Jelly source code. It's not 100% clear, but better safe than sorry.

caird coinheringaahing

7:54 AM

@StevenH. If you want to use the Jelly code page, you could just ask Dennis. I'm sure he'd be fine with it

Steven H.

I mean, I believe he'd be fine with it too. I just don't want to ping him and be a bother

caird coinheringaahing

@StevenH. I really doubt that a "@ Dennis would you mind me using the Jelly code page for ..." wouldn't be a bother to him, given that he's a mod, runs TIO and basically gets pinged or notified at least every hour. Up to you though

Challenger5

^

Steven H.

Fair enough. @Dennis I'm starting development on a golfing language I can call my own and wanted to use the Jelly code page for it. Can I use that code page for this project, and if so how should I credit you?

Challenger5

@StevenH. If you don't end up using Dennis's, consider creating your own codepage or just abandoning a codepage entirely and using an abstracted "verbose" layer like Charcoal with a translator

That way you don't have to copy-paste as much

Adám

8:09 AM

@StevenH. Dennis' grandmother just died. Licensing is probably the last thing he wants to think about right now.

Fatalize

Not sure how he was supposed to guess that

Steven H.

Yeah, that was some news I definitely hadn't heard. I'm sorry

Adám

@Fatalize I didn't expect him to know, which is why I told him.

Steven H.

@Adám Thanks for letting me know. I know that's gotta be tough for anyone to go through

New Main Posts

9:09 AM

1

Q: Eigenvalues of a Matrix

Given a square matrix, output the matrix's eigenvalues. Each eigenvalue should be repeated a number of times equal to its algebraic multiplicity. The eigenvalues of a matrix A are scalar values λ such that, for some column vector v, A*v = λ*v. They are also the solutions to the characteristic po...

code-golf matrix linear-algebra

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9:39 AM

1

Q: Who will win a Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock game?

There are several questions regarding this game, even a king-of-the-hill contest here. But I think all those challenges and contests need a way to automatically determine the winner of a game. So: Challenge Given two inputs in the range ["rock", "paper", "scissors", "lizard", "spock"] represent...

code-golf game

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9:58 AM

3

Q: Find the smallest positive integer which ends in n,is divisible by n and whose digits sum to n

It's all in the title... Take as input a positive integer n>=12 and... do what the title says Yes, this is on OEIS A187924 Some test cases 12 -> 912 13 -> 11713 14 -> 6314 15 -> 915 16 -> 3616 17 -> 15317 18 -> 918 19 -> 17119 20 -> 9920 40 -> 1999840 100-> 9999999999910...

code-golf integer

Steven H.

11:31 AM

CMC: Determine if an input string is four identical characters.

Adám

11:45 AM

@StevenH. APL (Dyalog), 8 bytes: (4⍴1)≡⍳⍨

Luca H

Heyho, I've got a question: Does anyone know why there is no "new" queue on PPCG?

On Stackoverflow there is one, for example...

Steven H.

codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions?sort=newest

There is

@Adám Not bad

Luca H

Oh my god... I always simply clicked on "Programming Puzzles & Code Golf" and was confused, never noticed "Questions" wasn't highlighted... Thank you, I feel stupid now...

user202729

12:09 PM

Jelly, 7 bytes: OI⁼0x3¤

Fatalize

@StevenH. Brachylog, 3 bytes: =l4

(also works for numbers and lists)

user202729

Jelly, 5 bytes: L=4&E

Steven H.

@Fatalize how even

Fatalize

it actually even works if the input is a variable

(_4180 is an internal variable name)

Steven H.

@Fatalize ELI5 how Brachylog does the implicit "AND" between l4 and = on the input

Adám

12:16 PM

@StevenH. APL (Dyalog), 5 bytes: ⊢≡4⍴⊃

@StevenH. ELI5?

user202729

Probably because it is designed that way... Consider Jelly: L=4 (literally length equal to 4) takes 3 bytes, & takes 1 byte, E (all equal) take 1 byte.

Steven H.

The acronym stands for Explain Like I'm 5, but practically it means "explain simply"

Pyth, 4 bytes (boring): q*4h

Neil

@StevenH. Retina, 10 bytes: ^(.)\1{3}$

Steven H.

Pyth, 4 bytes (exciting): .UI+

Fatalize

@StevenH. the program can be explicited like this: Input = Input length 4

= constraints Input to contain equal elements and length constrains Input to have 4 elements

Steven H.

12:24 PM

Ah, that makes more sense. I was thinking of = as an operation on the length

user202729

Jelly, 4 bytes: Ḣṁ3⁼

@Fatalize So basically the and is still implicit.

Fatalize

yeah

In Prolog it would be like equal(Input), length(Input, 4)

with , being logical and

Steven H.

CMC: given an input string, return all the characters that are not equal to the previous character in the string

You can ignore the first character because there's no previous to compare

e.g. "aabbbca" -> "bca"

and "aaaaaaaa" -> ""

Fatalize

@StevenH. "bc"

Steven H.

a is not equal to c

last I checked

Fatalize

12:34 PM

nevermind I read "not equal to the first character"

Steven H.

all good

Fatalize

@StevenH. Brachylog, 7 bytes: {s₂≠t}ᶠ

Steven H.

(ᶠ)ind all matches of {(t)ails of (s)ubstrings of length (₂) whose elements are (≠) not equal}?

I think I'm kinda getting it

or I'm completely off base and I'm not getting it at all

Mr. Xcoder

@StevenH. Pyth, 6 bytes seMtr8. If outputting the first character too is allowed, you can remove the t. Can you outgolf me? :P

Steven H.

s.+

done

Fatalize

12:49 PM

@StevenH. Exactly

Mr. Xcoder

@StevenH. Yup, that was my version too. Just a little exercise left for you, hence the Can you outgolf me?

Fatalize

feels reassured that Brachylog is somewhat readable

Mr. Xcoder

5 bytes ŒgQ€Ḋ in Jelly for now

Steven H.

1:08 PM

CMC: Determine if a string only has the characters A-F, with any capitalization.

Mr. Xcoder

1:21 PM

@StevenH. Pyth, 8 bytes: !-rQ0<G6

Adám

@StevenH. APL (Dyalog), 10 bytes: ∊⊢⊆⍨2≠/⊃,⊢

@StevenH. APL (Dyalog), 16 bytes: ∧/⊃∊/819⌶⍞(6↑⎕A)

Neil

1:50 PM

@StevenH. Retina, 10 bytes: i`^[A-F]*$

Adám

@StevenH. QuadR, 14 bytes: ∧/⍵∊6↑⎕A . \u&

NieDzejkob

WTF? JavaScript beats Jelly

user202729

Who say it must be optimal? @HyperNeutrino / The number literal seems like they can be compressed somehow...

Well, ⁽ßıȷ3 doesn't work...

There must be some way to compress that huge list of numbers...

For the first one I guess ³²×⁽LÐ×ȷ-14÷ should work.

÷⁴×5¤ can probably be ÷⁴÷5 (though 3 consecutive ÷ seems wasteful)

Is there something similar to ȷ, but is a dyadic link, in Jelly?

Also compress everything is shorter: “¤Fðẏẏż“?A⁺ẏẏż“¬ŀż“8Ƙż“¡uþ³⁾ẉṿÆ“¡’

New Main Posts

2:20 PM

-2

Q: Factorial of a number without loop or recursion

Is it possible to find the factorial of a number without using any loop of recursion in C/C++?

c++

user202729

Combine everything I get 79 bytes

which is 1 byte longer than the JS solution.

Ok, 78 bytes

HyperNeutrino

2:36 PM

Oh right, that integer compression thing. Thanks.

also nice trick with just dividing everything lol

doing the multiplication and then dividing worked with my initial strategy of using vectorizing product and then appending them all to each other and doing ÷/ but then that stopped working when I realized I needed to square the mass and I didn't notice that that was causing me to have extra bytes :P

@user202729 ^ ^^ ^^^

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3:08 PM

1

Q: Compute the result of an equation, but with selectable operator precedence

Forget BIDMAS! Write a program that takes an equation and an operator precedence order, and prints the result. Example input format: 1.2+3.4*5.6/7.8-9.0 */+- Rules & guidelines: The only operators that are defined are addition (+), subtraction (-), multiplication (*), and division (/). No p...

code-golf number arithmetic

caird coinheringaahing

3:23 PM

@NewMainPosts F*ck! I was just about to write a Sandbox positive for a challenge just like that!

Simply Beautiful Art

lol

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

File Selection code-golf In this challenge, you will be given a number of files and a series of instructions corresponding to simulated key-mouse press combinations performed in a file explorer (rules below) and you are to return the files that are selected. There are two "program states" you n...

Simply Beautiful Art

3:39 PM

18

A: Revisiting LaTeX

I've now enabled the MathJax setting here. Enjoy!

Huh

user202729

This is not the newest response. Right now it is disabled.

DJMcMayhem

4:04 PM

@DJMcMayhem Why is this still on the starboard, only getting more stars, after it's now almost two weeks outdated?

16

Pavel

4:22 PM

@DJMcMayhem Also chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/41299969#41299969 from 5 days ago.

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Because a) Chat is much quiter than it used to be and b) We hate stars :P

DJMcMayhem

Oh, clearly :P

user202729

"quieter"?

DJMcMayhem

I wouldn't say it's quieter. I'd say that is has been quieter this last week because of Thanksgiving weekend

user202729

"Why is this still on the starboard" → may be mis-understood as this == (Java this or C++ *this) because the @ is not shown.

ETHproductions

4:33 PM

hahaha, let's wait 2 weeks for it to be true

DJMcMayhem

@user202729 Clearly the solution is that that message needs to remain on the starboard for another 2 weeks :P

Ninja'd

NieDzejkob

CMC: Fix this 404

Steven H.

I had a birthday not too long ago (the 18th) myself. If only I'd known how many stars I would have gotten as a birthday gift...

:P

ETHproductions

@NieDzejkob that's not a 404, it's an empty page about Haskell

caird coinheringaahing

All I'm going to say, is that sometimes, I've come home from school and seen the same messages that I posted before I left 8 hours before

@NieDzejkob Haskell isn't an esolang

Steven H.

4:34 PM

@ETHproductions congrats you solved the challenge?

ETHproductions

Oh nvm, that's what all missing pages look like

NieDzejkob

@ETHproductions this IS a 404

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes. Like I said, chat's been much quieter cause of Thanksgiving. I can't imagine what it'll be like in here around Christmas when 1) the break is longer and 2) it's not just a US holiday

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Huh, interesting. Me and my friend believe it gets more busy around Christmas than over the summer

ETHproductions

I don't see a need to create a page about Haskell on a wiki for esolangs though

DJMcMayhem

4:36 PM

I guess we'll find out

But yeah, chat has been ridiculously quiet this week

NieDzejkob

@cairdcoinheringaahing since when?

caird coinheringaahing

@NieDzejkob It's a proper language. It has it's own website

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Winter Bash: Add the Hat code-golf graphical-output stack-exchange-api Winter Bash is here, and with it HATS! Hats are added as an SVG layer over a user's avatar and can be rearranged how they see fit. This leads to an interesting challenge. Input A user ID. You can decide what site it's f...

NieDzejkob

@cairdcoinheringaahing by that definition SOGL would be a "proper" language too, wouldn't it?

caird coinheringaahing

@NieDzejkob No, that's an online interpreter. Haskell is a well-known programming language used in production. Does SOGL have a Wikipedia page?

Steven H.

4:41 PM

I mean, Malbolge has a Wikipedia page too...

NieDzejkob

@cairdcoinheringaahing Beatnik has a wikipedia page and a website

caird coinheringaahing

Am I really going to have to try to convince you that Haskell isn't an esolang? Just accept it

Erik the Outgolfer

well, the definition of an esolang isn't exactly objective

ETHproductions

I would define an esolang as something along the lines of "a language is almost never used in production"

But it's definitely not 100% objective

NieDzejkob

@ETHproductions then how is an esolang different from an old language like ALGOL or COBOL?

dzaima

4:44 PM

I'd define an esolang as a language that's not meant to be used in production

DJMcMayhem

^

Esolangs exist for entertainment, production languages exist to be programmed in

ETHproductions

And there are some languages that are hardly used but share many traits with modern production languages, such as Cheddar

@dzaima Thank you, that's much better

Erik the Outgolfer

@NieDzejkob those were often used for production back in the day

Sherlock9

Hey I have an idea for a challenge I want to run by you guys

DJMcMayhem

Shoot

Sherlock9

4:52 PM

So a year is 365.2422... days and there's an idea that instead of switching leap years in a 4, 100, 400 pattern, to use a 4, 128, 8 thousand something pattern

Erik the Outgolfer

@DJMcMayhem what happened?

Sherlock9

To make the switching simpler

But this would change our calendars and our date-time algorithms

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer I meant 'shoot' as in go ahead, I'm listening

Erik the Outgolfer

oh I took it to mean oh shoot, something bad happened

@Sherlock9 8192?

Sherlock9

So say ISO decided that 2048, 2176, 2304, ... etc, i.e. all the years divisible by 128, wouldn't be leap years, but every other year divisible by 4 was (won't worry about the 8000 something)

8800 something

Let me find it

Could you make a Sakomoto-like algorithm for that thing

dzaima

4:54 PM

@Sherlock9 8192? (2^13)

DJMcMayhem

@EriktheOutgolfer Yeah, I guess this is a less common usage. It's on UD though

Sherlock9

Assuming years starting 2000. First years affected would be 2048, 2100, 2176, 2200, 2300, 2304

DJMcMayhem

But I could see how that might confuse a non-native speaker

Sherlock9

I haven't thought about the details of the new algorithm(s), but I think it would be trivial once a good one is found

Should I try to make the challenge anyway?

Adám

@EriktheOutgolfer Sure it is. Dennis knows.

ETHproductions

4:57 PM

How to tell if a language is an esolang:
1. Ask Dennis

J. Sallé

@ETHproductions never fails.

caird coinheringaahing

Huh, this is the first time I've ever seen Dennis not in TNB

Poke

i feel like the wiki does a decent job en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_programming_language

Erik the Outgolfer

@ETHproductions oh you're referring to his experience from TIO over 2 years?

ETHproductions

@Poke Summary: "An [esolang] is a programming language designed to test the boundaries of computer programming language design, as a proof of concept, as software art, as a hacking interface to another language (particularly functional programming or procedural programming languages), or as a joke."

DJMcMayhem

4:59 PM

@Sherlock9 So to clarify, every multiple of 4 is a leap-year, except that multiples of 128 are not, except that multiples of 8xxx are?

I think that would make a good challenge

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing His grandmother just died.

Pavel

esolangs.org/wiki/Perl

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám Yeah I know. It wasn't a criticism, merely an observation

Erik the Outgolfer

he is in bad days, as Adám said, and it's not just his grandma

DJMcMayhem

@Adám Oh. I'm sorry to hear that! How did you know that?

Sherlock9

5:00 PM

@DJMcMayhem Just 4 and 128

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem He posted in talk.tryitonline.net

Sherlock9

Also, I did the math. It might be 4, 128, 80000

0.2422 = 1/4 - 1/128 + 1/80000, apparently

Pavel

I think it's fair to conclude that 2017 sucks, and moreso than 2016.

caird coinheringaahing

I think its fair to conclude that, by the time people my age can do anything about it, the world is going to be fucked beyond repair. Thanks adults!

Adám

@Pavel I expect this year to be the worst ever, and every following year to be worse than the one before it.

12

ETHproductions

5:04 PM

We'll eventually get to the point where every year will have increasingly worse apocalypses

Pavel

@Adám Well said.

J. Sallé

@Adám Same. That way I don't get disappointed if it's true, and pleasantly surprised if it's not :p

Adám

@ETHproductions Apocalypse – a noun rarely used in plural…

Wheat Wizard

@Mr.Xcoder I'm glad someone noticed.

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám If you don't mind me asking, did you vote in the Brexit referendum, and if so, what? (Don't answer if you don't want to)

Adám

5:06 PM

@J.Sallé Exactly. Appreciate what you have, but don't be attached to having it.

Pavel

@cairdcoinheringaahing Does Adám live in the UK?

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel If I remember correctly

Erik the Outgolfer

@Pavel he works for Dyalog Ltd. :-)

so yes, he lives in the UK

Sherlock9

@DJMcMayhem Should I go whole hog and add the 80000? Or just do 4 and 128?

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing I didn't, as I'm not a UK citizen. I would probably have voted to stay, but only because that's currently most beneficial to me personally. I do believe the EU was bound to fail from the outset.

caird coinheringaahing

5:09 PM

@Adám Hmm, interesting opinion. Thanks for sharing!

DJMcMayhem

@Sherlock9 IMO, yes, but either way is acceptable

Pavel

@EriktheOutgolfer dyalog.com/meet-team-dyalog.htm Lots of people who work in Dyalog live in places other than the UK, Denmark seems quite prevalent.

Erik the Outgolfer

I mean, he goes to the office

Sherlock9

Leap Years: we can do better

►

Found the video with the numbers. It's 625000, not 80000

J. Sallé

@Sherlock9 that guy appears on Numberphile a lot doesn't he?

@Pavel iirc Dyalog is based in Denmark with some other offices in other places?

Sherlock9

5:11 PM

He does

But I love watching the videos he has on his own channel

J. Sallé

Yeah I thought so. I knew he had his own channel, I just never checked it. Gonna bookmark for later.

Sherlock9

Also James Grime's channel, singingbanana

Pavel

I'm pretty sure Adám has lived like, everywhere.

Adám

@Pavel My profile says that I live in London, United Kingdom.

Pavel

@Adám Yeah, I found that from the Dyalog website.

J. Sallé

5:13 PM

@Adám you're originally from denmark though, right? I thought I remembered you saying something about being scandinavian

Adám

@J.Sallé CEO and CXO live in Denmark, but HQ is in UK.

@J.Sallé Yes, I was born in Denmark, I'm a Danish citizen (only), and Denmark is the country where I've lived the largest minority of my life.

J. Sallé

@Adám Oh, I see. I've a couple friends in København, I hope to go there some day.

muddyfish

If I were old enough to vote at the time, I would have voted stay

caird coinheringaahing

@muddyfish For Brexit? Same here

DJMcMayhem

Out of curiosity, could someone explain in a TL;DR way what the pros and cons of Brexit were? I don't really know what each side was hoping to accomplish

caird coinheringaahing

5:18 PM

@DJMcMayhem Unfortunately, that's one of the problems with Brexit; we weren't told the full pros or cons

muddyfish

A pro for staying is that it allows easy trade to continue with the single market

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Well I'm sure. But what reasons were both sides claiming that brexit (should(n't)?) happen?

muddyfish

There was a very public statement that leaving would save over £350 million a week but that was not true

Erik the Outgolfer

a pro for leaving is that, if you can be independent, you don't have EU taxing over your head :p

Pavel

@J.Sallé Is that the Danish spelling of Copenhagen, or is that a different place?

caird coinheringaahing

5:19 PM

Some cons for leaving: It makes us look racist and it f*cked up our economy

muddyfish

Some people wanted the ability to enforce stricter migration policies

ETHproductions

@Pavel Quick google search of København comes up with Copenhagen

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Why does that look racist? (FWIW, I'm completely ignorant of European politics)

Pavel

@ETHproductions A quick google search was attempted, but Google wouldn't load for some reason. Thanks.

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Because it was saying that we "take our country back from immigrants" and "put Britain first"

Not a great message :/

muddyfish

5:21 PM

(in my opinion) some people didn't want to allow people from poorer countries into the country

caird coinheringaahing

"They're stealing our jobs" was said quite a lot

muddyfish

^

Pavel

Also, people are afraid of Muslims.

DJMcMayhem

So Brexit would prevent immigration?

ETHproductions

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think the US has trumped the UK in appearing racist :P

DJMcMayhem

5:22 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing (geez, where have I heard that term before?)

muddyfish

some people thought that

DJMcMayhem

@ETHproductions Hehe. Trumped

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem It would allow the UK to set a stronger immigration policy than is allowed by EU regulations. So yes.

muddyfish

I don't know if it will be the case

caird coinheringaahing

@ETHproductions Well, Trump isn't racist per se, rather he is willing to say or do anything to distract from what he's trying to do (such as removing ObamaCare)

Pavel

5:23 PM

TBQH I have no idea what happened with Brexit. It dropped out of the international news cycle before there was a chance for the government to actually do anything.

Has the UK actually left the EU yet?

muddyfish

No

ETHproductions

@cairdcoinheringaahing Hmm, that's a view I haven't heard before

muddyfish

not for another 2 years or so?

Erik the Outgolfer

yeah they may need to prepare financially

caird coinheringaahing

@Pavel No, but it's going to cost more money to leave that we supposedly sent to the EU each day

DJMcMayhem

5:25 PM

So to see if I understand this correctly, from a purely economic standpoint Pro Brexit because less taxes, but Con Brexit because more difficult trade?

From a social standpoint, Pro Brexit because better immigration laws, but Con Brexit because racist?

muddyfish

I think Brexit will cost more than it will ever save

caird coinheringaahing

So choosing to leave was the worst possible decision. And, the thing that really annoys me is that the reason the vote to leave won was mainly due to people over the age of 65, yet if people between 16-18 were given the vote, it would have been overwhelmingly remain

muddyfish

I think that would be the case

J. Sallé

@muddyfish same, unless the EU dissolves before brexit kicks in (which won't happen unless something goes really wrong)

caird coinheringaahing

@DJMcMayhem Depends on your definition of 'better'. Personally, I don't mind allowing people immigrating in, as they do the jobs British people don't want to do, and contribute to the economy, so (controlled) immigration is win-win

Erik the Outgolfer

5:28 PM

@J.Sallé if the EU dissolves, it won't be only UK's problem

DJMcMayhem

@cairdcoinheringaahing Fair. In the interest of stating the issue in a neutral light, s/better/stricter

muddyfish

Personally I don't know many people IRL who think brexit is a good idea

DJMcMayhem

Meanwhile, across the pond:

Erik the Outgolfer

sure, why should US care

Pavel

@DJMcMayhem Brexit doesn't mean that there will be stricter immigration policy, just that there could be if the people and government decide on that.

caird coinheringaahing

5:31 PM

@muddyfish My school's headteacher IIRC

Erik the Outgolfer

@Pavel there's a high possibility that something like that is decided, just like how yes was decided for brexit

muddyfish

None of my sixth form teachers liked it, nor do any of my lecturers nor do any of an entire conference of people at work but a couple of my friends think it could be ok

ETHproductions

@DJMcMayhem How did I just notice that the imgur id of that image is literally Dload

Erik the Outgolfer

you weren't the first

I noticed that a long time ago, and I'm not sure if I was the first either

ETHproductions

whoops, connection glitched

Erik the Outgolfer

5:34 PM

ah yeah I've suffered unintended duplicate message posting too, it's just so annoying

J. Sallé

Happens to me sometimes when I'm in chat on my phone's 4G

ETHproductions

I'm on college wifi and it works well most of the time, but occasionally it bugs out and I have to turn my wifi off and on again

J. Sallé

@ETHproductions my college has eduroam, it's great until you try to do anything other than googling stuff or sending IMs

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@J.Sallé Hmm, my college has a "<CollegeName>Wifi" network that I use and a "<CollegeName>Guest" for guests (requires a special login though), but I just noticed we also have "eduroam" and "edustaff" networks

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