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12:03 AM
Does anyone think this might belong on math.SE ?
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Q: No identical squares in a matrix

KeeperI have a matrix of dimensions N x M. Every cell has an integer. Now, I want for every 'square', to verify that all its corners are not the same. Example: This matrix is fine: This matrix is not: The naive solution is to check every possible square, therefore $\binom N2\binom M2$ checks.Is there...

 
Kind of, yes.
On the other hand, he tries to solve a practical problem.
Presumably using Mathematica.
I think it would fit in math, SO, and Mathematica.
 
@David let me be clear: if he specifically wants a solution in Mathematica it belongs here IMHO. I am doubting that he does, as a new user to this site and apparently not active on the mathematica SO tag.
 
Ask him in a comment?
 
Now that I see he is actively editing, yes! I am getting used to first questions where the person doesn't check back until the next day.
 
Asked him in a comment.
 
12:13 AM
You're doing my work. But I'm okay with that. :-)
 
I WANT A DIAMOND TOO
 
@MrWizard Not everyone is online 24/7 ;-)
 
Reported your comment as exact duplicate
;P
 
@David lol
@Heike I have been having more trouble sleeping than usual the last few days; hopefully that will not continue.
 
@MrWizard It's not a Mathematica question I guess.
 
12:31 AM
@David No; I retagged with, in my not so humble opinion, more appropriate tags. So no, not a waste of bits, if I do say so myself.
 
And you added a space. ;-)
 
@MrWizard I was the one who flagged it on SO for migration here. It was posted in the mma tag, and I didn't read it closely enough, I guess.
 
@Heike So does ReliefPlot[]. Very convenient...
 
@rcollyer migration ping-pong :-/ Hopefully I got it right this time.
 
@David Also I nixed a now irrelevant section of the question, if you take note of the edit history.
 
12:34 AM
@MrWizard we'll see if it went right.
 
@JM I noticed all of that. I'm just trashtalking here for the lack of a question to answer. Also the rock gym is closed.
 
@David Well, you apparently had a rep bonanza the previous day, so stop complaining. ;P
 
@JM ListContourPlot gives smoother results in my case
 
@Heike I never noticed that before.
 
@JM I wish! I got 30 points subtracted that day for some reason.
 
12:36 AM
@Heike I know. Remember when I asked you to test that ReliefPlot[] of random noise? ;)
 
No idea where they went.
 
@MrWizard It gives a 3D effect to the plot
 
David, how long have you been climbing?
 
I started as a child with my then-not-so-old grandpa. Then I took a 15 year long break. ;-)
 
@JM Yes I remember. I thought you were using ReliefPlot[] because of the shading effect.
 
acl
12:37 AM
@MrWizard do you climb too?
 
@David A day with 165 rep is a good day in my book, but maybe you see things differently...
 
Oh. Well, yeah, it's alright.
I just picked climbing up again a couple of years back, after doing years of sports that don't involve much arm strength.
 
@Heike Well, that too. BTW: I finally decided to just use ListContourPlot[] and a slightly modified coloring scheme to fake a three-dimensional look. So, still good.
 
Needless to say, the training is super effective, but my legs are usually bored ;-)
 
I have climbed an indoor wall a few times. It's fun but challenging.
 
12:39 AM
The rock gym here is free which is pretty nice
 
@David Free stuff is almost always nice... ;)
 
@acl how about you?
 
If I didn't have tuition remission it would be awfully expensive though ;-)
That reminds me, I've got a knot question for outdoors.SE
 
acl
@MrWizard not any more, I try to hike as much as I can but not much time for that either
frankly, never much liked actual climbing to be honest. only like the end result
 
@David Are you sure it doesn't belong on math.se?
 
12:42 AM
Maybe I should ask on meta
 
acl
@Heike or theoretical physics?
 
That's another option.
 
@David what's the question?
 
Eight vs Yosemite Bowline vs Double Bowline
 
acl
@Heike Kelvin and Tait (two of my heroes) spent a lot of time on that
 
12:44 AM
There's some data around concerning their strength, but no sources given. That kind of citation seems to be popular in the climbing community.
 
For tie-in? Retraced 8 is almost universal now, isn't it?
Hello CHM.
 
Not really. All my friends in Germany call it the beginner knot.
It's also awfully hard to open once you've had a fall.
 
Interesting. I am very much of a beginner. :-)
 
CHM
@MrWizard Hello. I didn't know I let the chat opened.
Talking about climbing... I'm looking for a video I've seen today, but can't find it.
A gang of climbers in Utah (I think) made a giant swing out of a properly eroded rock. It must have been fun.
 
@acl The newest hottest question is now
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Q: Product of elements within a list

500Please Consider : list={{5,2,6},{2,8,3}} I need to get the product of all the element within list : As of now I do this : (#[[1]]*#[[2]]*#[[3]]) & /@ list Which means I have to manually specify the number of elements within each least and the sublists length has to b equal. How cou...

 
12:55 AM
@Heike Ugh...
 
acl
@JM come on, tell us what you really think :)
 
@acl It's too... simple. ;)
 
CHM
The site seems to be gaining momentum.
 
acl
@JM given the context yes
 
@Heike I added an answer of my own style to that. Might as well have some fun with it.
 
 
acl
@MrWizard not enough @~@~ going on (I'm sorry I couldn't resist)
 
@acl That's what I thought as well
And it doesn't use Navier-Stokes so no +1 from me ;-)
 
acl
@Heike @MrWizard seems to be getting tired of us making fun of that though
 
@CHM looks like a lot of fun, but also makes me think of how Dan Osman died. I really hope they considered how the rope sides on the rock.
 
@acl I won't edit his post then.
 
1:01 AM
@Heike Touche
@acl is @~@~ eyes-popping-out emoticon? :-p
 
hmmm, there's some mud throwing going on on the math chat.
 
Needs more Haskell!
list = {{5, 2, 6}, {2, 8, 3}};
prod[x_] := x;
prod[x_, xs__] := x listProd[xs];
prod @@@ list
 
I've been meaning to learn Haskell. I hope that's not too characteristic.
 
Positive things about Haskell: it's awesome.
Negative things about Haskell: Mathematica's functional programming will make you feel crippled.
Currying is awesome. ;-)
 
CHM
Ha, skell. Read parts of their wiki yesterday, coincidence.
 
acl
1:05 AM
@Heike very funny
 
I started learning it a couple of weeks back (to balance the climbing haha)
 
@David I wonder how you would implement this in brainf***
 
CHM
@David you mean Mathematica's functional programming > Haskell?
 
No, the other way round.
You can't be more functional than Haskell I guess.
 
CHM
Ok.
 
1:06 AM
@Heike: You misspelled Brainfuck there.
 
@David I wasn't sure how pc this channel was
 
Well, if you're going to say "fuck" and say "f***" instead it means the same thing, only that one of them looks silly.
 
@David You never know. Maybe I pronounce it as brainfstarstarstar
 
acl
or brainbeepbeepbeep
 
acl
1:12 AM
The use of profanity in films has always been controversial, but has increased significantly in recent years. The use of the word fuck in film has always drawn particular criticism; in 2005, the documentary Fuck dealt entirely with this phenomenon. The word fuck is thought to be the taboo term used most in American film. This is a list of non-pornographic, English language films containing at least 150 spoken uses of the word fuck (or one of its derivatives), ordered by the number of such uses. These are examples of high usage compared to fuck variants used 42 times per million words in...
this reminds one of this
 
@David That reminds me of a shortened version of pulp fiction I once saw
 
Yes, that's the one
 
@MrWizard Did you just recommend a fishing knot to tie in? Thefuck
 
1:20 AM
@David it's plainly a joke. That knot binds very tight.
 
Oh. So it's improving on the un-openability of the 8?
Apart from that you probably can't tie that knot in a climbing rope
Too stiff
I mean you can by using a lot of force, but that can't be good for the rope
 
Ah, now that last answer was fun to write... :D
 
@JM ?
 
@David I wrote a new answer to that question on finding tangents.
 
Oh. Seems like it wasn't bumped yet.
 
1:26 AM
@JM Overkill much?
 
@Heike But it works. Calculus-free! ;)
...and the other solutions fail spectacularly at singular points.
 
Which question are we talking about?
Thought this one:
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Q: Equation of a line that is tangent to a curve at point

dharmatechA common problem in the derivative section of calculus texts is "find the equation of the line that is tangent to the curve $y = \ldots$ at the point $P$." To find the line that is tangent to $y = 2 x \sin x$ at $(\pi/2,\pi)$, I'd do something like this in Mathematica: y[x_] := 2 x Sin[x] y[x] ...

 
@David No, this one.
 
What the
 
Algebraic geometry is a hella nice subject... :)
 
1:29 AM
I haven't even heard of it.
You also win a prize for code obfuscation there.
 
It's basically how they get things like Solve[] and Eliminate[] to work.
 
acl
whenever anybody says "pre-calculus", this answer should be hurled at them
 
CHM
@JM does Markdown work in the chat?
 
Markdown?
 
@David the scripts that allow the mark-up in answers and questions.
 
1:33 AM
Ah.
 
CHM
@rcollyer beat me to it.
 
Didn't know that had a name.
 
@CHM I don't think it does.
 
@CHM some of it works. Links in particular. So do others.
 
// @include http://stackoverflow.com/questions/*
// @include http://mathematica.stackexchange.com/questions/*
 
1:34 AM
@CHM Yes, only some.
 
Nope, won't work in the chat.
 
CHM
Good. Then how do I write custom links? [this][1] [1]:en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dicrocoelium_dendriticum doesn't seem to work
 
[caption](link)?
 
CHM
oh.
 
links: use the short form that David beat me to.
 
1:35 AM
@David It's not much of an obfuscation to somebody reading a book like this... I merely applied one of the simpler algorithms of that book.
 
@CHM I think that working was just a fluke.
 
@CHM Flukes are amazing, and nasty little buggers.
But if that impresses you, try looking up the effect of Toxoplasma gondii in rats.
 
CHM
The stage where it takes over the ant... is awesome.
 
1:37 AM
@CHM There are also ichneumon wasps that can do "mind control" on their hosts...
 
I think both differentiation questions are homework questions and the op was just smart enough to not say it is so
 
Have to agree with you there.
 
CHM
I almost chose biology as a major.
My girlfriend did, glad she did. It's a very interesting subject, no matter how "high level" it is.
 
@yoda For me, it's still fine. He will have to figure out why the code I posted works, for starters... ;)
 
@JM well, there's that :)
 
CHM
1:42 AM
@JM there's not much information about the wasps on wikipedia.
@David wow.
 
They had a nicer image on the article.
 
CHM
Incredible
 
Just google the name and you'll find the fisherman
Sup, mind if I become your tongue? :-)
 
CHM
o.O
 
I'll call, and raise you the urethra fish, although it seems more myth, than reality.
 
1:47 AM
That one won't replace my penis in form and function.
 
No, but it will sure suck in the meantime.
 
Luckily, I'm not planning on swimming in a jungle river anytime soon.
 
CHM
@David look at the teeth on that "fish". Sounds fishy.
 
@David I'm even less likely to now.
 
Yay, parasites, my favourite subject.
 
CHM
1:50 AM
Lol.
 
@rcollyer Ah, the candiru is perfectly real...
 
That should un-fishy it.
 
CHM
@David thanks, but no thanks.
Oh, I wasn't doubting.
 
@CHM Ah. Too bad I'm far away from my papers...
 
1:51 AM
@JM Yes, it is. But, whether or not it has actually swum up someone's urethra is in some doubt, according to wiki.
 
CHM
It's just that the fish in the original picture seemed to have primate-ey teeth, if you look at it closely.
 
Yes, that's true.
On the other hand, why would anyone edit the teeth?
 
CHM
4-chan?
 
I mean getting a picture of a fish with its mouth open isn't that much of a problem.
 
One of the most disturbing parasites is the Leucochloridium paradoxum
 
1:52 AM
Oh. Nevermind.
 
@rcollyer Ah, right. But the cases where it swam up the... uhurm, "other hole" are well documented in medical papers.
 
@Heike Tell me about it! On a scale from 1 to postdoc, how does it compare? ;-)
 
CHM
Something I've learned by using the internet a lot, is that Occam's razor does not always apply.
 
@JM sounds "uncomfortable."
 
acl
according to
‎Candiru (English and Portuguese) or candirú (Spanish), also known as cañero, toothpick fish, or vampire fish, are a number of genera of parasitic freshwater catfish in the family Trichomycteridae; all are native to the Amazon River. Although some candiru species have been known to grow to a size of in length, others are considerably smaller. These smaller species are known for an alleged tendency to invade and parasitise the human urethra; however, despite ethnological reports dating back to the late 19th century, the first documented case of the removal of a candiru from a human urethra ...
this has been confirmed by Bach himself
sounds good to me
 
1:54 AM
@rcollyer The nasty thing is that the natural peristalsis within compels the fish to dig its spines deeper.
 
Does anyone know what that system of 3 symbiotic things was called?
 
@David It's basically a worm that turns snails into zombies
 
It was a fungus, some grass, and then something else.
 
@David lichen?
 
@JM I hadn't thought about that, and now I wish I was still ignorant. :P
 
1:55 AM
"lichen", actually.
 
Lychen is a town in the Uckermark district, in Brandenburg, Germany.
 
CHM
@JM wouldn't lichen be a two-organism symbiotic relationship?
 
No, lichen is only two organism.
That grass lived somewhere where the ground is very hot.
OH the third thing was a virus
Apparently, the virus makes the fungus resistant to heat.
Not sure what the fungus did for the plant.
 
@David Well, there are viruses that can be commensals to fungi...
 
Found it in the German Wikipedia. Let me see whether I can find something in English.
 
1:58 AM
@David What's the German term?
 
@David produce nitrogen?
 
It doesn't state it unfortunately.
Let me translate it ...
 
@Heike Bacteria do that; I don't think I've seen nitrogen-fixing fungi...
 
I know that some orchids need certain fungi to germinate.
 
CHM
Nitrosation of an amine followed by addition of hypophosphorous acid produces nitrogen, too.
 
2:03 AM
In the Yellowstone national park, symbiotic behavior between three species was discovered: a poa, a slime mold, and a virus. The area has many hot springs that heat up the soil around them. The grass' roots Dichanthelium Lanuginosum tolerates these temperatures up to 70 °C thanks to the mold Curvularia Protuberata.
However, both the mold and the grass alone can only withstand temperatures up to 38 °C. Necessary for this symbiosis is a third participant, the virus CthTV (curvularia thermal tolerance virus), which infects the slime mold. If the virus is removed, the mold loses its resistence to heat, and the grass dies.
 
CHM
But that's obvious.
 
@David That first sentence sounds like the beginning of a bad joke
 
@CHM Yes, that's a nice case of Sandmeyer-type reactions.
@CHM On the other hand, if you diazotize an aliphatic amine, no hypophosphite is necessary; it'll just expel nitrogen gas at the outset.
 
CHM
@JM yes, I was considering aniline. My bad.
@JM have you studied chemistry?
 
@CHM He has. Math is his hobby.
 
CHM
2:07 AM
Ok
 
@CHM I'm a professional chemist. :)
 
Ah, apparently the leafcutter ant lives in symbiosis with fungi and a bacterium.
 
CHM
Good to know.
 
@Heike I presume it's the microbes that do the digesting for the ant in that system?
 
@JM The fungi do the digesting
 
2:10 AM
@JM I thought it was the fungi that was the ant's food.
So where do the bacteria come into play?
 
@rcollyer Ah, yes, that too. They use the leaves as the substrate for fungal farms.
 
the bacteria produce chemicals that function as antimicrobals
@JM hence their name
 
CHM
@JM so do you use mathematica for your hobby, or is it useful for your job?
 
2:22 AM
@David the Outdoors site isn't doing very well, is it? Your question has exactly one view: mine.
 
Meh
It says five views for me.
Also this:
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Q: Chalk: Pure, plus drying agent, liquid?

DavidHaving only used pure chalk without added substances so far, I wondered how the other ones perform. Most of the information I could find online is either somebody ranting against a certain type, or uncritical explanations of what the different ones are made of. So, what are the benefits and trad...

Mathematica is kind of lucky that there's no good forum elsewhere.
Otherwise we'd kind of look the same way I assume.
 
acl
@David it's not luck, this happened precisely because of the absence of such a place. all these people didn't randomly find themselves here
 
Most of the posters here were active on SO anyway I think
(as in SO for mathematica)
 
@CHM Mostly for hobbies and personal research.
 
acl
@David yes, and we made an effort to make this happen (ably lead by verbeia, rcollyer et al:) )
 
2:30 AM
Maybe replace "lead" by "rallied"... ;)
 
@MrWizard It's interesting looking at the Area51 stats of other sites: there's so much red!
@JM rallied, cajoled, threatened ... :)
 
Right? There's hardly one doing well
 
"We're the SE site your SE site could smell like..."
 
I think Mathematica might be the only one of the gazillion that makes it.
Apart from quantitative finance, which has been in beta for > 400 days.
Sometimes I wonder why people suggest such crappy sites.
SE for poker? Seriously?
 
CHM
Poker (cough)
 
2:34 AM
Stack Overflow (in German)
wat
Let's make a game out of this: find the most obscure area 51 suggestion.
 
CHM
Can I invent one, or does it have to be suggested already?
 
It has to exist alrady.
 
It should also still be open. Closed ones are just to easy to find.
 
@rcollyer Ah, too bad. I was going to suggest this one
 
2:37 AM
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@Heike me too.
 
Wat
 
acl
@rcollyer that looks....specialized
 
@acl that's what I thought. obscure and very narrow.
 
acl
(thesis; where's the thesis?)
 
CHM
 
2:40 AM
@CHM That one cries for a lot of scriptkiddies.
 
@acl what's this thesis you speak of?
 
@CHM Did you just send me a recommendation? haha
 
acl
@rcollyer guess I have my answer :)
 
CHM
I sent a link.
 
What about
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2:41 AM
@acl I spent this past week working on my talk which was to much comp sci, and not enough physics according to my old prof. :P
 
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HAHAHA BULLSEYE
 
CHM
Sanskrit.
 
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acl
2:42 AM
@rcollyer ah yes talk was fri right? how did it go?
 
@David What about the other way around?
 
@Heike Topics should be realistic
My comment reminds me of that XKCD. Hold on.
 
@acl the students I talked to afterwards liked it. It had flaws, though, and I could have done better. As I said, my old prof wasn't to happy that the focus was to much comp sci and very little on my actual research.
@Heike girls handling their geek boyfriends? or, geek girls handling boyfriends?
 
@rcollyer Both I guess
 
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acl
2:46 AM
@rcollyer too late to worry. wait and see how it plays out
 
Typical questions: "List all the shortcuts of Photoshop"
 
Although most geeky girls I know have geeky boyfriends as well so that shouldn't be a problem
 
@acl that's true.
 
"I keep pressing F and a character appears. What do I have to do to search things?"
 
@Heike very true, otherwise the non-geek soon succumbs or leaves.
 
2:47 AM
Wait, that one sounds wrong
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@David always does. but, it's a very old subject.
 
I see.
 
@rcollyer I do have some nerdy male friends with surprisingly non-nerdy girlfriends/wives.
 
@Heike I've seen that, too. Maybe they need some "normal" in their lives.
 
acl
@rcollyer or maybe they compartmenalize things
 
2:51 AM
@acl a good possibility. it is a very useful technique.
 
acl
@rcollyer takes conscious effort though (eg when you find yourself with a bunch of people, in a bar, and nobody cares about maths, physics or computers)
 
@acl I don't recall the last time that's happened to me, being in a bar that is ...
brb, have to go get a power cord.
 
acl
ah yes the thesis
 
nah, I just don't usually go to bars, and the munchkin inhibits that type of activity.
@acl I did do part of a literature search today. It's nice to find names you've run across before.
 
acl
@rcollyer yes nowadays I only go to bars when forced. I am mostly stuck to my computer, working or waiting for results. I don't mind
@rcollyer this happens to me all the time. there's a guy that appears in all fields I worked in, which span classical stat mech, stochastic processes, QHE, ultracold gases, and 1d systems. needless to say, I am intimidated (he's done much much better work than myself, of course)
i am now working on a new thing. he's announced a talk at the march meeting about it...
 
2:58 AM
@acl This was nice because I was unfamiliar with the names of one paper, and as I was tracing their references, I ran into familiar territory.
@acl :)
 
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