What's the point @lewist?

Hey, looking for a few examples, it'll take me a little bit.

Ah okay.

Still working, I promise, just fighting the search engine on this thing.

It's okay. Take your time.

I was just wondering what we're doing here.

Ah. I'm trying to support my contention that the situation with Jordan doesn't solely come down to him being new or unfamiliar to the Math chatroom.

Oh, sounds exciting.

I know, right? Dry as heck. Almost done.

And?

Okay, this'll be underwhelming. Basically, Jordan has a habit of (accidentally) dinging the people who are likely to be in the room. I first saw him when he was sick of math class, and his problems were because his teachers are horrible and just don't care.

Sometimes people do listen to him and try to help, sometimes they warn him or ignore him.

Doesn't it depend on their mood?

Well done anyway.

@Gigili Yep, getting there (4 examples, I think).

About a week later, he spirals into a bit of an existential crisis, and people start dogpiling.

College is a waste of time, and apparently "they" (the University of Michigan? or who?) hate transfer students for some reason.

And finally he makes a crack about research that ticks Mariano off, asks questions about retaking tests/wiping classes from a transcript that are unanswerable in general, and notes that colleges hate veterans for some reason (again, who? why? what?).

Whoa, I think you'll find out his real name if you keep searching there.

Well, I rightly feel like a shit for assembling stuff like this.

He's not too bad, considering, but the self-deprecation and glancing insults are things that grad students and teachers (who probably make up enough of the site) don't really want to engage with in their spare time.

He's not bad at all.

We don't know what problems people have in their real life.

And it's so evil of us to expect them act as we want them or something.

I agree that we really shouldn't beat people into a mold, but there are some indications that he's leaning towards categorizing math as something he can't do, period.

Umm, okay.

Sorry, I probably misunderstood you.

I'm just saying the person is in no position to tell Jordan what to do.

Well, I don't think Jordan was suspended for the right reasons, or at the right time.

But I don't think a teacher can sit by when a student starts telling themselves, over and over, "I can't do this. I can't do this." When people start repeating this (as happened a little bit in the existential crisis bit), they'll keep repeating "I can't do this" until other people give up in exasperation, and then think to themselves "I was right! Nobody can teach me this!"

So if they can't be argued out of it, then the best option, IMO, is to temporarily disengage (which might include suspensions).

You're right.

The point is, many people get on my nerves in that room. Some of them was jogging on my nerves, even. But since I'm not a moderator, I can't do anything about it except leaving the room or start nagging.

Which means, if you're a moderator and you find someone annoying, simply use your powers and suspend their account.

What could be more unfair than this?

On the other hand, the person I was talking about really is under the illusion that he has some important roles in the room like king or something.

It makes me want to jump out of window.

I'll certainly do something about it.

It is frustrating.

Indeed.

While it doesn't concretely do anything, what I've done in the past is vocally note that I'm uncomfortable with something, and that I'm leaving because of it. Not normally a permanent, "gone forever" announcement, but to stringently opt out of something.

The important thing is not to carry it as a threat, but to carry through each time.

But obviously it doesn't do anything on its own.

Ignoring the person, leaving the place is what I do in real life, at least I can do something against it on the internet.

Hmm, need to sleep. Thanks for the discussion though, I think it clarified a couple things for me.

I should thank you, good night.