Nethack

Arda Xi

14:16

Oh god, it's getting worse.

Arda Xi

14:27

Gah, Anhur is well-pleased, but he won't bother to fix my blindness? [†: What blinded you?]

@Grace Apparently, you inquiring about my problems either fixes them or makes them moot.

It was a bright flash, anyway.

A yellow light. It blinded me again. Well, for what it's worth, it makes my telepathy useful. [†: Do you have a blindfold yet?]

Arda Xi

14:50

No, I don't :( I don't get why I can't just close my eyes...

Hrm, I accomplished healing, blessing and eating with one #pray er

Arda Xi

16:21

Oh good, finally blinded.

badp

@ArdaXi Some light goes through the eyelids.

Arda Xi

Overall, this game is going incredibly well.

What is too vague?

badp

@ArdaXi You replied me "In what way?"

it was a tomwijism :P

Arda Xi

That was really long ago :P

badp

@ArdaXi a couple weeks ago, maybe

Arda Xi

16:33

About a day or two

Also, what settings did I mess with? Curses?

badp

Purple borders around windows

More as red ">>"

Arda Xi

So, yeah, curses.

With curses enabled, the inventory takes up less space, and when choosing ? at for example an eating prompt, the selection isn't full-screen

badp

I don't really think you can disable curses...

Arda Xi

Curses (programming library)

curses is a terminal control library for Unix-like systems, enabling the construction of text user interface (TUI) applications. The name is a pun on the term “cursor optimization”. It is a library of functions that manage an application's display on character-cell terminals (e.g., VT100). Overview The curses API is described in several places. Most implementations of curses use a database that can describe the capabilities of thousands of different terminals. There are a few implementations, such as PDCurses, which use specialized device drivers rather than a terminal database. Most i...

Can/should I eat this?

badp

Curses is not easily digested.

@ArdaXi Yes, and Nethack doesn't run without it at all

Arda Xi

16:42

I'm talking about this gnomish wizard.

@badp Sure it will. Disable OPTIONS=windowtype:curses

You could use OPTIONS=windowtype:tty or OPTIONS=windowtype:X11 for example.

badp

There is a gnomish wizard corpse here; eat it? [ynq] (n)Stopped.
                                                                NOTE: child process received `Goodbye', closing down    ┌──────────┐
                         ▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒NOTE: child process received `Goodbye', closing down                                │..........│▒   ┌──────┐▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒▒.....│

YOU BROKE IT

Arda Xi

Heh, crappy client.

badp

@ArdaXi Nah, it was just you closing nethack :)

Arda Xi

I'm still playing :)

badp

yes, I'm watching you smooch that orc live

Arda Xi

16:47

Well then, I can't have closed it :)

badp

@ArdaXi you could have closed, peeked at the options, then reopened it :)

Arda Xi

I didn't, though.

badp

oh well.

Arda Xi

How the..?

Oh, it didn't disappear. Well, I finally have a use for this now.

Lawful? Not for long.

badp

$ nethack
Window type curses not recognized.  Choices are:
        tty

Hit return to continue:

It must be a serverside mod :)

Arda Xi

16:51

Nope.

> Select which windowing system to use, such as tty or X11 (default depends on version). Cannot be set in-game.

That explains the damned welcoming party!

badp

are you still on the minotaur level?!

Arda Xi

I spent most of the time on the level prior.

Seeing as, well, I was cornered by a couple orcs.

badp

man, you better watch your hunger.

Arda Xi

Meh, went pretty well

badp

is that pink [ a wizard hat?

Arda Xi

16:55

No.

badp

fair enough

Arda Xi

Gah. Cursed bones.

Could've been worse really.

5 spells, 3 with 0% failure.

I need teleport control.

Huh? That's... the second time I killed that ghost.

It's nice to get free stuff like that, sure, but still...

Awesome. Magic missile. I AM UNSTOPPABLE now.

Arda Xi

17:54

Sorry, my PC crashed.

NO

WHY?

badp

gg

Arda Xi

I suppose, but still..

badp

ah, unicorns.

Arda Xi

That level was hell though.

Minotaurs, unicorns.

badp

here's the thing, dungeons scale with your level

the faster you level up, the faster they get hell.

the trick is leveling up "just enough"

Arda Xi

17:59

This was a bones level though.

badp

a dlvl 4 bones level. [†: It could always be a bones from a bid for ascension. Think of all the fun out-of-depth nasties that can show up from that. ♪]

Arda Xi

Means monsters on it were the original player's

Well, how would I ever ascend if failure wasn't just encouragement to move on?

badp

@GraceNote nothing that terrific was there :)

@ArdaXi should Nethack bore you, you can try Crawl.

It's a roguelike like Nethack, it's easier to play (one word: autoexplore) and harder to finish.

Arda Xi

18:17

I might, later. For now I'm hooked to this.

Oh come on.

badp

I can't remember if the Gnomish mines were safe for neutrals or lawfuls.

Arda Xi

Neither?

There are both neutrals and lawfuls there.

badp

WIth one of those two alignment most of the gnomes are peaceful

which are basically the entire population of the mines

yes, I'm succeeding in exploiting the unicorn out of my way to safety

bah, had I went lawful this unicorn would have been grey anyway.

(also healing in nh is slooow.)

Arda Xi

err, your screen doesn't render properly for me

badp

@ArdaXi too small

anyway I'm dead. I met a gas spore in a corridor and instincitively attacked it...

you should be able to press 'r' to resize your window

starts another run

Arda Xi

18:31

oooooh, you're using incompatible encoding

badp

?

Arda Xi

which results in letters being off

badp

cursesgraphics (true)

Arda Xi

I have my game on IBMgraphics

which uses character set CP437

Renders corridors as ░ instead of # for example.

badp

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│                                                                                │
│                 $             ┌─────────────┐                                  │
│                               │.............│                      $           │
│          ┌─────────────┐     ▒.....<......0.│                                  │
│          │.............│     ▒└────────.────┘    $         $    $              │
│          │.............│     ▒▒▒       ▒                                       │

Arda Xi

18:34

Exactly.

badp

yeah, that's how it renders for me :)

Arda Xi

lqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqk
xYou stop.  Your kitten is in the way!                                                                             x
xIn what direction?                                                                                                x
xOuch!  That hurts!                                                                                                x
xIn what direction?                                                                                                x

badp

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
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│                                                                                │
│                                                                                │
│                                                                                │
│                                                                                │
│                                                                                │

with IBM graphics

Arda Xi

Weird, for me it just showed properly.

badp

Encoding issues I guess

my terminal uses UTF-8 btw

alright, I've never done any of this altar business

Arda Xi

18:37

Mine's set up for CP437

badp

but I have a chaotic altar and a neutral corpse

I guess that should do

Arda Xi

corpse alignment doesn't matter

you don't drop it to sacrifice

badp

@ArdaXi really?!

Arda Xi

You use #offer, and it can't be more than 50 turns old

Corpse alignment only matters with unicorns.

Too old.

Your god is a loser.

badp

oh well, I was starting lucky to begin with

Arda Xi

18:46

Acid blobs don't expire for offers btw [†: But they can still rot away and cease to exist]

badp

curses! an ant! Surely I am screwed now.

This must be plenty fun for that monster, a true indiana jones experience!

okay, the alignment was lawful.

hah, I moved that boulder one square because, you never know, boulder trap?

> Click! You trigger a rolling boulder trap! Fortunately for you, no boulder was released.

argh! killer bees! nine of them!

I'm screwed.

THEY COME, THEY COME

THE CENTER CANNOT HOLD

sjohnston

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ber

badp

IT IT TOO LATE

sjohnston

eth

badp

I have no permanent way of writing it

and the ants are too busy ramming against this room's wall.

cmon kitten

sjohnston

19:00

Even writing in dust has a pretty high success rate

badp

for 1 turn.

sjohnston

?

badp

> You write in the dust with your fingers. You finish writing in the dust.

> Something is written here in the dust. You read: "[pammity spammity spam". You see no objects here.

sjohnston

that doesn't really clarify for me

badp

although simply standing doesn't corrupt the text as fast as I'd thought

so, um, nymph hunting on this level, killer bees on dlvl 4 or gnome king in gnome 2.

sjohnston

19:04

no, it's pretty stable, especially if you add two or three

badp

Choices, choices.

I'll choose the gnome king.

yeah, the gnome king went down pretty easily.

> You kill the hobbit! Welcome to experience level 7. You feel quick!

\o/

Arda Xi

:D

badp

> The fire ant, a, is a monster in NetHack. It is a member of the proverbial Team Ant and as such can result in the deaths of many an inexperienced player due to its high intrinsic speed and fire attacks (although not as deadly as the soldier ant).

aaaa.))@).f

fuck you, team ant.

Arda Xi

RE: Engraving, if you're a wizard you get an athame as your first offer gift.

badp

sigh, the kitten engaged the fire ants

bbl dinner

badp

19:35

take that, fire ants!

> The rock mole eats 85 gold pieces!

nwoooooooooooooooooooooooo

my moneys

badp

19:53

sigh, leprecaun hunting.

Arda Xi

How do you change your window size again?

badp

'r'

chain mail or mithril coat

Arda Xi

No, I mean, how do you change your game size. Not your terminal size.

badp

the coat

> You have a sad feeling for a moment, then it passes.

:(

Arda Xi

My condolences.

badp

19:59

Soldier ant.

And I drop right into the city

A bones city.

gg

> You finish writing in the dust. [...] You miss the giant ant. The giant spider misses. The giant bat misses. The giant ant bites! The giant bat misses. The giant ant bites! Something is written here in the dust. You read: "?lberet? Elbcretn".

@sjohnston

:|

weeeeeeeeee, sleep ray.

Arda Xi

Anyway, how do you change the game size?

badp

Change window size before you connect.

Arda Xi

Er...

badp

│You miss the giant ant. The giant spider bites! The dwarf throws a dagger! The dagger misses the manes.           │
│You are almost hit by a dagger. The giant bat bites! The giant ant bites! The gnome lord zaps a uranium wand!     │
│The sleep ray hits the giant spider. The sleep ray hits you! The sleep ray bounces! The sleep ray hits you!       │
│The giant bat bites! The giant bat misses. The giant ant bites! The giant bat bites! The giant ant misses.        │
│The manes hits! The manes hits! The manes misses. SabreJon's ghost touches you! The giant bat bites!              │

@ArdaXi Change the default terminal size

lol, just one more line: The giant ant bites! The combat suddenly awakens you.

Arda Xi

What is that gap in the lower-right corner for?

badp

20:05

What gap?

Arda Xi

There are three boxes and a gap

middle-right, really.

badp

oh, simply enough the map area is fixed size and, I guess, the remainder isn't large enough for the status area

Arda Xi

Hrm, this is ugly :(

badp

is it?

Arda Xi

Meh.

sjohnston

20:09

@badp I think your problem is not fighting enough stuff at once

2

badp

@sjohnston Trap door

sjohnston

ah. fun

in the DF sense

Arda Xi

Having more than one line of history is so useful.

"Some things are better left buried." Well, that's too bad, because I'm digging you up.

2

Lucky me?

badp

Poison resistance is hard to get

Arda Xi

Hrm, that's useful. A trap door into a store. I wonder if that's a marketing tactic.

Oh for the love of..

To think that I actually had the spell of detect monsters

badp

20:24

it isn't that hard tbh; a chest in a shop is a mimic.

Arda Xi

err?

badp

er, what I said

Arda Xi

I seem to be stuck.

sjohnston

YAY MINETOWN!

Dumped all my dwarf loot, fortuitously bought a scroll to uncurse the multiple pieces of cursed armor I had foolishly equipped, and got myself a replacement pet for the one that got asploded

Arda Xi

I can't move on :(

sjohnston

20:37

why not?

Arda Xi

Dead ends.

sjohnston

ugh. I hate it when you have to search the whole level for the one damn secret door that lets you move on

Arda Xi

I even have a ring of searching, but no food.

sjohnston

if you have a pickaxe, you could just start digging into the nearest large unexplored area

Arda Xi

I have a wand of digging...

sjohnston

20:40

also an option. If you're feeling lucky you could always dig down too...

Arda Xi

nah... let's not

sjohnston

but then you might end up like @badp :)

Arda Xi

Digging west worked.

I made a corridor...

Treasure!

sjohnston

just don't let the guard catch you

Arda Xi

Gotcha

$500

Well, I found the secret door I was supposed to have found on my own. I got really lucky with the treasure though.

Ugh. Enough for today.

badp

20:47

Dead?

Arda Xi

Again, yes.

I wonder if I will ever reach Sokoban.

badp

I did once and shrugged it.

I never liked that puzzle.

If I ever decide to play it, it'll be with a walkthrough at hand

Arda Xi

Hey, I finally figured out why dropping boulders on your head fixes polymorphism. It's like Mario.

badp

HOW DO I GET BIGGER MARIO IN NETHACK

Arda Xi

Polymorph into one?

Anyway, Sokoban is easy.

sjohnston

20:51

I like to do mines before sokoban, at least down to minetown

Arda Xi

I like to level up before mines though.

sjohnston

I hate not having a pick, and mithril armor and dwarf cloaks are a nice bonus

Arda Xi

Fine, I'll play another game, @ShortAttentionSpan. It's not like I have a test to study for or anything.

sjohnston

and, of course, you have the 1 in 3 shot of an aligned temple surrounded by a steady supply of mobs for sacrificing

Arda Xi

Oh hey, I got a credit card.

badp

20:54

Tourist?

Arda Xi

No, it was lying around in the starting room.

Tell me this isn't awesome starting equipment. [†: That isn't awesome starting equipment.]

2

sjohnston

do credit cards work on chests, or just doors?

Arda Xi

Both. [†: The main thing is that you can't lock with a credit card.]

Chance of Dex% for non-Rogues.

sjohnston

I understand the door reference, but how would you actually pick a chest lock with a credit card?

Arda Xi

@GraceNote I was expecting that, but not from you... elaborate. [†: You have 1 good book and 1 good scroll. Your rings are piddly and your wand is mediocre, and teleportation is a waste of starting ID. It's not that it's bad, but I wouldn't call it awesome. Awesome is rings of teleport control and slow digestion to start.]

sjohnston

20:56

not that nethack always makes sense

Arda Xi

How exactly would a ring stop you from being burnt to a crisp?

Hmm, ring of Stealth does not seem worth the hunger.

@GraceNote True, but it's still better than nothing.

@GraceNote Fine. I'm new to this. Let me be happy with what I have. :( [†: In my defense, you did ask for someone to tell you it wasn't awesome starting equipment. ♪]

Oh, that's just cruel. An open door with only diagonal entrances. [†: Search it. The block in the way is almost certainly a secret passage in this scenario.]

badp

21:29

wait, what?

┌─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┐
│Valkyrie needs food, badly!                                                      │
│Pick an object.                                                                  │
│ 0x0.0000409b47b68p-1022 piece of food (corpse)                                  │
└─────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────

Arda Xi

I've had that a couple times too.

@GraceNote I closed the door then blasted it.

badp

It was a lichen corpse

people who die in shops are annoying

I wiped a ghost for no benefit

@GraceNote sent two softballs your way

Feeds

21:51

0

Q: Does eating werefoo corpses give lycantropy?

A wererat just died at my sword, failing to transmit its disease to me. However, it also left a corpse for me to eat. I'm hungry. My pet drags it to me, bad sign, but then again it does so for lichen corpses too and they're perfectly safe to eat. Is it safe to eat?

0

Q: Can pets acquire instrinsics?

My dog just ate a mountain nymph corpse. Stupid dog. Does it have a chance of acquiring teleportitis as a result?

roguelikes nethack

badp

22:05

It so happens that bat corpses' stunning doesn't go away that quick [†: Something like 30+ turns. That's why you don't eat bats. As far as your pet question... I'll have to run wizard mode to test it but my initial thought is No.]

sjohnston

@badp Something similar to that showed up when Arda was playing the other day.

badp

@sjohnston The numbers change as you move. Apparently it's a bug with the curses interface, which makes no sense at all because I don't see how it's relevant. [†: Could be worse. It could've been like Sir Gallant The Totally Not Rotting.]

eh, the bat would've been fine to eat, if I hadn't had not one but two pets around with an Huru-kai (-typo) orc with poisoned arrows around.

...and if, while looking through my stack of unidentified potions for one of healing, I didn't draw sleeping instead.

Grace Note

Can I interest anyone in the story of Sir Gallant The Totally Not Rotting, what would've been the most legendary Vladsbane of all?

badp

Obviously!

Actually I'll ask it on the main site if you give me a couple more hints

sjohnston

@GraceNote sure

badp

22:11

(and if it's on topic)

Grace Note

It's a personal anecdote, not a famous thing

badp

Today I feel like asking.

Grace Note

So on-site wouldn't be that appropriate.

badp

Oh, okay, then just go ahead I guess.

Grace Note

I was running Grolla Seyfarth, my genocideless Barbarian character for this run. In the Valley of the Dead, I found a knight corpse amidst all of the many others.

Naturally I cared little about it, progressed down into Gehennom, beat up most of the demon lords, and eventually Vlad as well.

I had to resupply or some reason or another, so I came back to the Valley of the Dead. I noticed that, mysteriously, every other corpse was long gone except this knight corpse.

badp

22:13

hands torch for @Grace to point upwards to her face

Grace Note

I picked it up. Didn't even burden me. Figured I had to keep a souvenir. Put it in my blessed bag of holding. Ended up burdened.

Take it out of bag of holding, not burdened. Really puzzling. So I just kept it in my main inventory. Named it "Sir Gallant The Totally Not Rotting".

Hundreds of turns later, the corpse is still around and I got bored. So I proceeded to wield him. Unfortunately he didn't count as a weapon so I couldn't #twoweapon. But he made an excellent utility to beat down the denizens of Gehennom.

badp

o_O

Grace Note

Beat through the Wizard's Tower with him, beat through most of the upper planes. Switched back to Stormbringer when fighting some of the nastier denizens of the Astral Plane, but otherwise kept him with me the entire time. And ended up ascending with 1x knight corpse named "Sir Gallant The Totally Not Rotting"

My only regret is that I didn't kill Vlad with him. Because that would've been one of the best Vladsbanes, much better than a tin opener.

sjohnston

that's...odd

I probably would have tried to eat him. Maybe you could get the totally not rotting intrinsic

Grace Note

I wasn't in the mood to be a cannibal.

Plus, beating people with him was much more entertaining

Genocideless is annoyingly hard, by the way

sjohnston

22:19

It makes me wonder what bug could cause an everlasting, weightless corpse

@GraceNote Well, for the rest of us, ascending is annoyingly hard :)

Grace Note

@sjohnston Well, part of what makes genocideless hard is what makes ascending hard

sjohnston

monsters?

Grace Note

Namely, h and ; and H and c and [† L †]

badp

Vlad the impediment
G - a cursed Vlad
Your movements are
slowed slightly
because of your load
  |.@./.|.->|
---+----|.|----
|.......+.+...|
---+---+---+---

nicolaas.net/dudley/index.php?f=20061130

Grace Note

Dudley's Dungeon?

Hah, I was right

My favorite strip is the diluted wand of cancellation, if you can find it

badp

22:22

@GraceNote nicolaas.net/dudley/index.php?f=20070222&q=cancellation

Grace Note

@badp The best part is one of the comments, which suggests "debit card"

Ah, gotta go. Later ♪

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