Certain members of this community therefore decided to make their own blog to just write interesting stuff that isn't a good fit for Programmers questions. The main contributor is MichaelT, who has since left Stack Exchange.
We also set up an RSS feed into this room. As a room owner, I could change that, but I think there's still sufficient interest to keep this feed.
You'd be welcome to contribute your thoughts if you want. If you want to write something but don't know what, we have various ideas.
Well thanks for owning up to it. Since the only attribution is to "Stack Exchange" it comes off like the site owners pushing some leveraging attempt on us. After hearing so much about stack overflow careers can you blame me?
Hi all, just thought I'd drop in here to apologise. I asked the wrong question regarding NuGet package removal, and if I'd asked the right question I probably would've found the answer on my other searches! No need to migrate to SO.SE, I've now deleted the question. Cheers for the feedback.(programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/333333/…)
@Kevin Just a heads up, I've locked your answer for an hour to prevent the discussion from continuing. Feel free to flag if people continue posting comments after the lock expires.
@CandiedOrange It's a mod only chat ping that reaches the user even if they haven't logged in to chat.
The format is @@[user-id]@[sitename] - for some reason it didn't like programmers as the [sitename]
Interesting question, but I'm afraid it doesn't really match our format. You might be better off on a more discussion-oriented programming forum. Perhaps reddit.com/r/programmers? — TRiG57 secs ago
@CandiedOrange To which are you disagreeing? "The best answers rise to the top"? It's true, it takes years... but I think it's worth it - check out my SO rep chart for evidence - virtually all of it is delayed gratification.
@AaronHall The best answers rise to the top sometimes. Much of the time they languish forever under the early answers. However, no one can prove this because it's easy to rationalize that away by claiming late answers that don't rise to the top simply weren't the best. It's a self fulfilling prophecy. It's a system that works but it's not perfect so I expect no ideals from it.
I wish answers could be sorted by votes / voters viewed. This would involve caring about whether it scrolled into the window. But that's a pain to code and even if they did that people like me would find something else to nit pick so lets watch a cat video. :)
Eh, I suppose. I've seen my own answer blow past questions I thought were better. I've seen better answers come in later and languish under mine even after I voted them up. It's just not a perfect system. But it's better than blogs, that's for sure.
Still looking for any feedback on my migration answer. I feel like I'm representing Programmers to the outside world here so I'd like you guys to weigh in.
neither do i. I'd just like to see an easier way to get newbies into chat when they don't have 20 rep. Maybe change chat so that under 20 rep has to answer a captcha or something occassionally so that newbies can get some help in crafting good questions when their bad ones keep getting downvoted and closed.
I think sending an invite to chat is good, but shouldn't be required. Some newbies will be smart enough to find the chatroom on their own. I do agree with SE's wanting to keep spambots out, but I don't know how many newbies ask a first question, get smacked down, and never come back because they can't get any help.
might be as simple as copying the url for the chatroom and pasting it as a comment on the question though, as long as the question isn't deleted too fast for the op to see
I'd say it depends on the age of the question. If it's only a couple of minutes old, they may be on the site still, in which case I'd invite to a private room. Otherwise, invite to here or a room dedicated to helping people craft questions
@Tom I've complained a lot about the reputation limits for both Meta participation (5 rep) and chat participation (20 rep). For a new user who doesn't understand the network, there's no way for them to either ask for help or talk about things that don't fit the Q&A format of the main site.
@AaronHall in some ways yes, but not always as there are plenty of people out there who don't natively speak english, so while they have a good question, its not necessarily written coherently to us
Ok, just reading wikipedia, I can see how Shirky affected the internet, but I've never read any of his stuff originally. might have to copy some of his papers onto my phone for my trip coming up
Then just ask your question. If you need help, we'll help you edit it (or probably unhelpfully vote to close it). We don't have a wizard or tell you the rules while you write it though.
But that's how we get lots of questions - then we can separate the good ones from the bad ones.
Because SO doesn't exist for the askers, it exists for the answerers and those performing Google searches...
doesn't have all the answers, but he does have some of them...
@AaronHall I don't know about everyone else, but that creates more work for me. Do you know how many blatantly off-topic questions I'm closing and deleting? Waiting for a mod is a huge barrier.
And comments are insufficient for good links or explanations beyond the help center.
great, so it would be good if 1. users other than mods could chat with new user/askers 2. we had a wizard for question asking (or at least posted the question on-topic rules while they ask!) 3. instead of voting to close, we edit and fix the fixable questions (requires a few more brain cells, but it's in the site's best interests, right?)
1 can best be handled by reducing the reputation barrier to entry to chat and Meta, to allow users to interact with each other outside of the main Q&A site.
2 is rather complex, but maybe.
3 is hard to do. If a question isn't a good fit, it's best to close fast to prevent answers. However, sometimes a discussion is needed to work with the asker to improve the question. Getting these discussions on chat and Meta would help. See 1.
@ThomasOwens Anyone who asked a question at the main site can now ask at meta. This feature is enabled for about half year network wide (except for SO and non-english sites)...
This feature is now live on all meta sites except the international sites (waiting on translations) and meta.StackOverflow (to ensure that this doesn't cause a lot of undue disruptions on other sites first).
^^^ no rep limit, could be 1. Question can be deleted, doesn't matter either
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First time I've ever seen the comments below a Stack Overflow blog entry purged.
I wish to read a file into a vector. I have 2 proccessors. Is it faster to do this parallel with two CPU's instead of 1? The first CPU reads the file from 0-n/2 and the second from n/2-n. Im afraid it will just slow down
@RobertHarvey comments at this 3-months old podcast are shown: "Finally, a Stack Exchange podcast that was not content-free :-) And actually much more entertaining". 3 or 4 other podcasts I checked looked like comments were removed. Podcast about decline definitely had comments, I remember reading these, including ones from the author of the article they discussed
@ThomasOwens regarding access to chat for low rep users, do you want it to all of them or only to askers, the latter in the same way as access to meta is granted them to ask about their question?
@gnat Anyone with a registered account should be able to access both Meta and chat, without restriction. That would likely mean improved community moderation tools would be required.
They may not have all permissions - such as being able to make new chat rooms.
@ThomasOwens that's too much work to implement, and then everyone in chat has to deal with the trolls, kicking them until they're dead, and then they'll create new accounts, and then everyone has to be Shog, but without Shog's powers of ID'ing trolls.
And they don't pay me enough to deal with that. Rep or otherwise. :P
@ThomasOwens as soon as question banned users find out that they can freely dump their stuff into chat, there will likely be a lot of moderation needed, would you volunteer? I wouldn't
In concurrency programming, is there a special name for an object composed of some properties plus a future (a pending off-thread computation result)? Let's say an asynchronous image processing function. The properties of the output, such as width and height, might be immediately available. The actual output pixels may be asynchronous.
This feature is now live on all meta sites except the international sites (waiting on translations) and meta.StackOverflow (to ensure that this doesn't cause a lot of undue disruptions on other sites first).
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