The Whiteboard

user55340

12:45 AM

Having removed the laptop a bit ago... people now ask it in another fun tag... computer

user55340

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I am in need of a laptop for programming that is around $300-500. I program Java in Eclipse, C++ in Visual Studio, and want to learn Javascript. I'm not much of a hardware person so I don't know much other than ram, storage, stuff like that. So can someone tell me what specs I should look for in ...

computer

user55340

12:58 AM

... and @RobertHarvey found half the fun (frustration) in that tag... lots of computer science questions.

Robert Harvey

Tag is gone.

user55340

Hmm... The Librarians feels like an academic (rather than x files) Warehouse 13 at first glance.

user55340

That it has John Larroquette as the Giles-esque (Buffy) character is just icing on the cake.

user55340

2:24 AM

Could I get two more delete votes on programmers.stackexchange.com/q/70117 - its easier than trying to fix it (and the broken links in the page)

user55340

And some close votes over here?

user55340

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Q: Hiring programmers for small companies?

I've been running a company for nearly 10 years, and all this time it's been just myself, another programmer (who's a great friend and cofounder), and a salesman (who's also a friend). Together, we've managed to do decent business and we've all managed to make a living, but we've been trying to e...

business

user55340

2:43 AM

And delete votes over here too... programmers.stackexchange.com/q/28507

rwong

3:11 AM

Should this question be given grandfathering status? http://programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41655/inspiring-computer-science-college-student-stories
That is, perhaps allow new answers to be added, but the question itself will have a prominent notice (banner) saying that this question is not a good fit for P.SE but was grandfathered from the early history of the site.

user15026

@rwong The only way to do that would be a historical lock, which, well, locks the question and prevents any new answers, because if the question isn't a good fit for the site, allowing it to have new answers is kinda counterproductive to the whole process.

Robert Harvey

3:49 AM

Sooo many "here's my requirement, where's my code" questions on Stack Overflow today.

durron597

4:04 AM

Wow. My first skip in a loooong while.

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Q: How much math do you learn in computer science?

How much do you need to know for computer science? When you get out of a PhD program in computer science at most schools how much math do you come out knowing? I'm guessing beyong the high school precalc stuff, you have to know what's called discrete math that there's usually one course for at mo...

math computer-science

I'm genuinely torn.

I can't even figure out how to edit it into a better question

Robert Harvey

Primarily opinion-based.

durron597

@RobertHarvey Perhaps. It's not really education advice, though, which were the first two CVS.

Robert Harvey

That works too.

durron597

Hey @RobertHarvey while I've got your attention, do you think you could take a look at this:

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Q: On developing deep programming knowledge

Occasionally I see questions about edge cases and other weirdness on Stack Overflow that are easily answered by the likes of Jon Skeet and Eric Lippert, demonstrating a deep knowledge of the language and its many intricacies, like this one: You might think that in order to use a foreach loop,...

learning

I've been working really hard on the learning tag for STCI and that's the highest voted question in the tag

Robert Harvey

Yeah. I asked it. :)

Check out who answered it.

durron597

4:10 AM

I know you asked it, I was about to ask you if you could be the one to edit it to be more on-topic / retag it

I saw that too.

Or, perhaps it should be locked.

Robert Harvey

The question being asked is in the last paragraph.

The rest is just preamble.

durron597

Perhaps it only needs to be retagged, then.

Ultimately, it is education advice.

Robert Harvey

That's because every education question people ask is "which courses should I take," or "do I need this certification" or worse "how can I become a great programmer." Technically, those are questions about school, not about learning techniques. None of them are particularly interesting.

durron597

@RobertHarvey I agree the question is a good one, and interesting

It just needs to be revised to not mislead future users "hey @RobertHarvey asked this question about how to learn stuff, I want to ask a question about how to learn IoC containers"

Robert Harvey

There's no way to do that. All close reasons on all Stack Exchange sites are just proxies for "this question is completely uninteresting," and we get forced into dumping whole categories of questions because people can't figure out how to ask an interesting question in those subject areas.

durron597

4:21 AM

@RobertHarvey So, if I'm understanding you, you don't agree that learning should be in stci?

Robert Harvey

"Learning" is not a sufficiently descriptive tag. Learning is why we're all here; it applies to every question.

durron597

@RobertHarvey Agreed

Robert Harvey

[meta-learning]

durron597

So again, how can we retag your question?

Robert Harvey

Every tag on it is bad?

durron597

4:23 AM

learning is the only tag on it.

Robert Harvey

Alright, I changed the tag. :P

durron597

@RobertHarvey Thank you :)

Bedtime! Not all of us can live in sunny CA

good night

Duga

4:54 AM

Good question; but since its more about the algorithm (and not an issue with the code), its better suited for programmers.stackexchange.com — Burhan Khalid 7 secs ago

Christoph

7:14 AM

monking

I'm having problems finding an answer to my question on the net because the question contains the words "binary" and "image". That's bad.

The question: I want to create (in C++) a project class that contains some bytes of meta data (date, description string) and some images (up to, say, a hundred, each up to 10 MB). I thought about creating a folder and simply putting the images in there, but that would mean to handle multiple files when copying the project between places. Is there a recommended way of storing large binary data in such a project class?

Duga

8:10 AM

The question relates to project management and agile planning and has in itself nothing to do with Software Development. A better place would be pm.stackexchange.com or programmers.stackexchange.com — jessehouwing 35 secs ago

Duga

10:49 AM

@user8472 You are correct, I did not attempt to address all of your questions, primarily because of my own ignorance =( The large companies tend to have COBOL as banks, governments, and others are larger than most and old. Q2 I can tell you our codebase is definately in the millions of lines of COBOL, easily tens of millions. Our COBOL codebase is now smaller than it was 20 years ago as we have migrated a large number of systems out of COBOL into PL/I Java and c# and COBOL as a procedural language is overly verbose. We are 3k ish programmers. Q3 New mainframes hold a lot more data. — JPK 56 secs ago

Thomas Owens

> Saying these roles are the same is like lumping master chefs, executive chefs, sous chefs, and short-order cooks together because they can all cook.

One of the best ways to describe the similarities between software engineers, computer engineers, computer scientists, and programmers ever.

user15026

11:49 AM

@ThomasOwens as someone who has often wondered the difference, that's excellent.

Thomas Owens

I'm not really sure the relationships line up, though.

To me, a Systems Engineer is more like an executive chef than a computer engineer is.

user55340

12:59 PM

Btw, out of close and regular votes.

user55340

And the way this morning is shaping up... Delete votes will be drained soon too.

Ampt

My 2 year old CR question got tweeted... who the hell comes up with this? twitter.com/StackCodeReview/status/397935122777116672

rolfl

Not me ... ;-)

Ampt

I don't even think it's a great question

not sure the recent edits do anything for it either :)

but attention is attention I guess

rolfl

There has been a drive recently to retitle questions with redundant titles.... your question was .... poorly titled given the nature of the site.

Ampt

1:03 PM

I agree, my title sucked, but I'm not even sure what the current title means

rolfl

In theory it should represent what the purpose/goal of the actual code is.

Ampt

ok... interesting

still though... why tweet it out?

rolfl

It looks like the new title may be a miss on that, but feel free to improve it... I believe you can change that....

the tweets are automatic... not controlled by us.

Ampt

so it picked a 2 year old dead question... lol

André

I suppose they deemed it.. a nice question?

rolfl

1:05 PM

Well, it picked a question that was edited twice, and showed some activity....

Ampt

edits came after tweet

André

Yeah, Jamal edited and tweeted it probably

rolfl

Not sure about that... (if they did, I would be surprised.

André

don't know if tweets are automated, seems the edit made it eligible for tweets

Ampt

oh shit, sorry, that tweet is 2 years old

rolfl

1:06 PM

Hmmm... you do know the tweet was from 2 years ago...

Is this code 'Pythonic'? http://codereview.stackexchange.com/q/33878?atw=1 #python

Tweeted by StackCodeReview on November 6, 2013 at 3:55 AM

(ditto).

Ampt

so they just came across it and edited it

André

ha, mystery solved

rolfl

There's a search for 'bad titles'.

Ampt

damn... jamal even added a completely non-relevant tag to it

rolfl

'Pythonic' in the title is 'redundant'.

durron597

1:08 PM

Whoah, @Ampt your CR alter ego isn't a sockpuppet??

Ampt

this came before the great sock puppet debacle of '14

rolfl

I created a sock a few weeks ago... was... entertaining.

Ampt

back then I was like any other normal human

then someone told me to bend over and cough and here I am...

durron597

@Ampt TMI brother, T M I.

Ampt

how is PDOMapping: a CAN Open Process Data Object Management Class

as a better title

rolfl

1:11 PM

Here's a recent quesiton:

codereview.stackexchange.com/questions/88860/…

Ampt

that's a 10k link

rolfl

Drat......

> deleted by Michael 18 secs ago

Ampt

I don't even have 10k on progs haha

DARN YOU MICHAEL!

whatever

it's better than what it was

both ^ and ^^

there, hopefully now that question can rot in peace

not my best code

that was like... month 1 with python haha

durron597

@Ampt s/peace/pieces/

rolfl

That's the point, though.... is that people can improve themselves.... if their code was perfect to start with ......

Ampt

1:14 PM

oh yeah, totally, you guys did find some stuff

rolfl

Anyway, the title of that deleted question is/was: Need style feedback

Ampt

but the content is so... esoteric that I doubt anyone else will ever find it helpful now

rolfl

Yeah, like, so does every question.... so, lets not have titles at all ;-)

People won't search for "how do I make my code more pythonic"

Ampt

THIS SOUNDS LIKE I'M BEING PERSECUTED FOR A RETROACTIVE RULE CHANGE!

#MODABUSE

ratchet freak

@Ampt actually only a 2k link

rolfl

1:16 PM

Go get a coffee... I am getting one now.

Ampt

hahaha

I'm on vacation

I may actually roll out of my sleeping bag and shower

Off to the Grand Canyon today!

André

that's nice @Ampt

Ampt

(After I get my new tire installed.... the trails killed one of them)

@ratchetfreak you get mod privileges at 2k at CR?

ratchet freak

@Ampt it's in beta

the barrier is lower then

codereview.stackexchange.com/help/privileges

user55340

1:42 PM

Code review is in "come on SE, how long is that backlog for graduated sites?" Beta.

rolfl

Don't get me started..... ;-)

FYI, and then there is this........:

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Q: Congratulations! You're about to graduate... with a twist

I wanted to pass on the announcement that this site has been cleared for graduation… congratulations! Graduation comes with it some perks — a listing in the footer of the other sites, you can start migrating content to and from this site, we have things like "community promotional ads" which are...

discussion beta-phase moderation

posted march 18th......

and then this:

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Q: Network Engineering site design

I’m Kurtis, senior product designer at Stack Exchange. First, I wanted to congratulate you because this site is now starting the process of moving out of beta to become a fully-graduated site! Well done! Graduation and Your Site Design Graduation comes with a few perks. We have already started ...

discussion featured design

Like, seriously?

user55340

Who knows... Maybe code golf will graduate before you get the new design. ;-)

user55340

Btw, neat challenge:

user55340

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Q: Golf Your Language's Identicon

Identicons are small images of geometric patterns that represent the hash value of a string. Stack Exchange uses the identicons from Gravatar as each user's default avatar image. In this challenge, we will use the Gravatar identicons as well to generate some text to golf. Challenge This stack...

code-golf ascii-art kolmogorov-complexity

rolfl

85

Q: Code Review SE is graduating!

Many of you have already seen announcements both on main and on meta announcing this site's graduation. At the request of a few of you who were skeptical (or perhaps merely in shocked disbelief), I'm here to confirm that yes, the Community Team has indeed decided that Code Review should graduate....

discussion beta-progress

user55340

2:05 PM

I'm sorry that it's an awful stereotype... Why don't C?O read about the site before asking? I've yet to see a good question from anyone with a title that starts with C or V.

durron597

@rolfl You've gotta take that up with the CMs

I would tag Shog in The 2nd Monitor

user55340

@rolfl race ya... Do we get new profile pages before you get a new site design?

rolfl

@durron597 - I am, as we chat ;-)

durron597

@rolfl Oh are you chatting in TL?

rolfl

Yeah.... the official answer has me a bit confused, but all things sort of changed with this:

durron597

2:16 PM

ha, I don't have enough rep to see STCI deleted answers

rolfl

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Q: Can we have a third moderator again?

We're down to two of us. I've been trying to stop by more often to keep up with the review queues, and Mike P has been very busy flagging via normal, non-moderator powers. But as the site traffic continues to go up, I'm concerned about being able to keep up! Can the powers that be, reach out to ...

discussion support

durron597

@rolfl Your own members have done a ton of great work already though

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Q: What should our logo and site design look like?

What should our logo and site design look like?

discussion beta-progress top-7

rolfl

Yeah. I should probably go grab another coffee .... I am a little worked up ;-)

We have an incredible site participation.

it feels a little unfair.... hmmm.. a lot unfair. But, there are things that may be happening that I don't know about.

If you compare your site (programmers) activity with Code Review, and Network Engineering... it's interesting.

Programmers: data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/161411/…

Code Review: data.stackexchange.com/codereview/query/161411/…

network Eng.: data.stackexchange.com/networkengineering/query/161411/…

Also, I rank site size based on their relative badge-counts.... in this query: data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/199310/…

NetEng ranks 97th of 141 sites., CR ranks 20th. and programmers at 16th.

durron597

@rolfl Code Review is by far the most active non-graduated site.

@rolfl For crying out loud, bicycles stack exchange has graduated.

Duga

2:48 PM

I suggest you take the question to the Programmers StackExchange as it is not really an appropriate question for StackOverflow. But on your way there, I'd suggest that you try to reconstruct both the exact question and the exact code you wrote. You would get a much more accurate assessment that way. — RealSkeptic 35 secs ago

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