The Whiteboard

3:40 AM

delete-votes-plz programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/83490/…

delete-votes-here-too programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/119199/…

7:09 AM

This is probably a better fit for Programmers. — Juhana 42 secs ago

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic as it is best suited for programmers.stackexchange.com ! — shekhar suman 1 min ago

8:30 AM

Your question may be interesting for all programmers (me included), but it is also off-topic on this site. Shaming people that try to enforce the rules isn't going to make your question less off-topic. — Juan Lopes 34 secs ago

StackOverflow is better suited for questions that involve actual implementations. If your question is about the complexity of some implementation you have, it is ok. If it is about some theoretical or hypotetical aspect of some principle, it may be suited for either Computer Science or Programmers. Cf. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/254756/… — Juan Lopes 6 secs ago

11:37 AM

@shekharsuman this question is a very poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see How do I explain ${something} to ${someone}? Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat 29 secs ago

3:19 PM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because it is more suited for Programmers.SE. — bouke 43 secs ago

Lambda the Ultimate - Programming Languages Weblog: BER MetaOCaml -- an OCaml dialect for multi-stage programming

3:59 PM

Not sure if this is better suited to: programmers.stackexchange.com Also, may be a silly question, but does the web page have an RSS feed? — Jezzabeanz 59 secs ago

Stack Exchange

4:18 PM

posted on May 03, 2015

BER MetaOCaml -- an OCaml dialect for multi-stage programming Oleg Kiselyov 2010-2015- BER MetaOCaml is a conservative extension of OCaml for ``writing programs that generate programs''. BER MetaOCaml adds to OCaml the type of code values (denoting ``program code'', or future-stage computations), and two basic constructs to build them: quoting and splicing. The generated code can be printed…

4:32 PM

@Jezzabeanz this question is a very poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/a/6486/40980 Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat just now

@bouke this question is a very poor fit for Programmers - it would be quickly voted down and closed over there, see meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/6483/… Recommended reading: What goes on Programmers.SE? A guide for Stack Overflow — gnat just now

Unihedron

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Q: Error express-yeoman

I am back working on "yeoman" and "express" and the truth just want to create a new project with "yeoman" but I get this Over here I leave a picture:

node.js

Why migrate this to Stack Overflow?

amon

5:12 PM

@Unihedron I'm terribly sorry for this. While I voted to close as “unclear”, some people might have forgotten the rule “don't migrate crap”. I dislike that the system counted my vote as a vote towards a closure via migration. As per my understanding, the question would be on-topic for SO, but it is in no shape to be asked on any site on the SE network. If a question would not be successful on the target site, it shouldn't be migrated.

Unihedron

@amon Thanks for the understanding.

I'm not trying to blame anyone; Just a bit shocked, since mistakes don't happen frequently. ;)

BUT I AM BLAMING ALL OF YALL UNEDUCATED MIGRATERS

Like, what's a chat without blaming people?

Braiam

5:41 PM

@amon oh, yeah? glares @gnat and @MichaelT

user55340

6:07 PM

@Braiam When I edited it, it had a clear error message: programmers.stackexchange.com/revisions/281823/2 that would not be unreasonable. However, shortly after that, the OP ripped out much of the question: programmers.stackexchange.com/revisions/281823/3

@MichaelT Rollback?

user55340

@bjb568 Hard to do that while I'm at lunch... or for that matter, trying to monitor all of the revisions on a Sunday afternoon.

user55340

It wasn't a rollback - my edit to it was removing pleasantries and formatting the edit.

user55340

The original version: programmers.stackexchange.com/revisions/281823/1

user55340

It started with:

user55340

6:09 PM

> how are you hope are well, I am back working on "yeoman" and "express" and the truth just want to create a new project with "yeoman" but I get this error, if I collaborate I thank you infinitely, I help progress for the future

user55340

The thing is, I wouldn't migrate revision 1, or revision 3. Revision 2 is not unreasonable given the "here is the error in text and here is a screen shot with context". Without the error as text... well, then thats not a good question to migrate.

@MichaelT I meant "Why don't you rollback to revision 2?"

user55340

@bjb568 Because I was at lunch and it happened an hour after I did the edit.

Ohkay.

But you can rollback now.

user55340

Its rather pointless now... it would take mod action to migrate it.

user55340

6:21 PM

And that is a bad experience all around - sending it over again... even with the rollback.

user55340

If the OP wants it answered, he knows (should know now) where to ask it... and that his gutting of the question doesn't make for a good question anywhere.

6:41 PM

@Braiam my vote went for unclear; at that moment there were 3 votes for SO already and one for unclear. Maybe our migration stats are bad enough to increase migrate threshold from 3 to 4, like it's currently at SO

@MichaelT oh that explains the migration votes. When I saw it, details were stripped off. Next time I'll look into revisions history

I can't tell if I should feel bad for voting to migrate or annoyed that OP deleted the error message for no apparent reason

7:30 PM

anyone willing to delete some students?

7:51 PM

"is it gud to start ur career as a maintenance engg?" almost sounds like someone posting an intentionally bad question to test how fast we nuke it

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MetaFight

8:08 PM

@Ixrec that's what I was thinking.

8:27 PM

anyone here?

hi

@Ixrec Hi, this question is the last examples question, delete-votes-pls

I was afraid you were going to ask for a delete vote

I need more rep

@Ixrec Wow, I was sure you had 10k

I'm on chat/meta too often

8:30 PM

@gnat are you still around?

I think if you downvote it, it will get roombaed possibly?

/me downvotes

Q: Enable automatic deletion of old, unanswered zero-score questions after a year?

I can never remember the exact rules for auto-deletion

Ahhh... it has an accepted answer. Therefore it won't go of its own accord.

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Related to meta.su efforts: Old unanswered inactive questions with low views/votes and meta.sf efforts: Cleaning house, really old, unloved questions We already auto-remove negatively voted unanswered old questions automatically after 30 days, network wide, with no human intervention required...

discussion status-completed delete unanswered-questions auto-delete

that would make sense

lol, as soon as you come online the close vote review queue skyrockets

@Ixrec Eh? I'm reviewing not closing

nvm, must be a regional thing

8:36 PM

I bet it's @gnat who added everything to the queue

@Ixrec With you, me and @Snowman reviewing everything every day, we're going to put MainMa and jwenting off the top reviewers list pretty soon

how many reviews do you have total?

I know I got the badge for 250 recently

it says 329 now

tbh I review mostly because there are so few (good) questions I have the expertise or time to answer, while identifying blatantly off-topic questions is fairly easy and quick

(for some reason the ones I can answer are disproportionately likely to become HNQs, which is the only reason I ever passed 5k rep)

I stopped answering programmers questions once i got 3k rep

working on my stackoverflow java gold badge now. i passed 800 a day or two ago

aaaand out of CVs

on the plus side there was a guy today who actually improved his question after I commented on it, and got a decent answer later, so that felt pretty good

Also I've been working on getting my vote count up in gson and guice on SO; it will be nice to say at my google interview in two weeks that the former is in my top 10 tags and the latter in my top 15

of course the rest of my top 10 are things like string, class, exception other garbage tags

do we know for sure that google sees SO tags as a meaningful indicator?

discussion burninate-request

8:45 PM

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Q: Burninate [class]

I think class is too broad to be useful. The metric I always use is: How can one be an expert in [tag]? You can't be. You can be an expert in Object Oriented programming, maybe... I just don't see how it really adds value over a more descriptive tag. Questions from the rules: Does it d...

I doubt it. Can't hurt though

user15026

@Ixrec It's always nice when that actually works out

it is

@durron597 Martijn's dissenting opinion almost sounds like he's saying they're useful meta-tags (ie only useful when paired with a language tag)

user15026

I had someone today tell me, after me suggesting they take out some confusing and unneeded info that I "should know where the edit button is, and feel free to use it, but I don't care and like my question".

though at SO's size maybe that's not a bad thing

@AshleyNunn I also had someone tell me off for not giving them the magic keyword to google (OP's words!) on a question that was way too broad (it was basically "plz teach me Fortran")

user15026

@Ixrec You mean you aren't a magician with all the keywords :(

8:49 PM

The real reason is that why it might not be relevant in a language like Java or C#, it is useful in a language like python or php

@AshleyNunn My google-fu is sub-par =(

@durron597 so...python-class?

oh well, what do I know about SO tags

@AshleyNunn I feel your pain...

@durron597 - Thanks !. Please make sure you understand the dept of the question before changing anything. For PUT metho in RestTemplate I must need to send the Json array string, because my web service (WS) is developed to accept only ArrayList<String, Object>. — user4567570 2 days ago

What department is your question in again, sir?

user15026

@Ixrec I am able to find a lot of things, with relative ease. Especially if it is like obscure books or whatever that people want. :)

user15026

@durron597 Oh, how nice.

@AshleyNunn well I can easily find tutorials/references for the people asking lazy/trivial questions

when you're after something specific that you know the name of searching is pretty easy

user15026

8:51 PM

@Ixrec I am getting better at finding things when I don't know the name for them, because my brain is bad at remembering specifics over generalized description.

@Ixrec Well, as I always say, I chat here because I like the people who frequent this room, but I'm still an SO user at heart, as much as I hate to admit it

user15026

I am one of those people that uses the "you know, it does x and y and z" thing more than I care to admit :P

speaking of feeling each other's pain, I'm so glad SE never implemented any sort of "require a comment when downvoting" feature

I do try to comment whenever I close vote, which I think comes across as less confrontational (low-rep OPs can't see close votes, right?)

user15026

Yeah, I try to leave comments for closing, especially if I am unilaterally mod closing for some reason (unless the close reason is really clear).

@AshleyNunn I don't know if you ever saw this but I finally figured out this game (look at the date on the question) on Friday: meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/10284/…

user15026

8:56 PM

@durron597 What was it? :)

store.steampowered.com/app/327950

All my searches kept pulling up Shogun: Total War

which was an intellectual predecessor

user15026

@durron597 Well, I am glad you found it :)

But it's hard to google for games from 1989. Especially if you don't have a screenshot

user15026

@durron597 Yeah, it is, which is one of the reasons we don't allow them, along with the fact that we usually have very little to go on, and people's memories can be faulty

@AshleyNunn Oh, I understand totally, I just didn't think it through when I first thought to ask on arqade

user15026

9:01 PM

@durron597 Yeah, makes sense :)

Though, in retrospect, if you want to ask a question, then worry about it being off topic and ask whether you're allowed to ask on meta first, that's probably a red flag.

gosh I would love to be able to answer this

Q: Voting stats for "desperate accept" answers

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I am looking for voting statistics on the answers to questions that are: Quickly closed (within 1 hour after posting) Have single answer Aren't eligible for "roomba deletion" only because of having an accepted answer side note this excludes dupe-closed questions, as roomba ignores these I wou...

support accepted-answer up-votes statistics automatic-deletion

@gnat did you vtd that last examples question yet

@gnat (I upvoted that question ages ago)

@durron597 yes, a while ago. It has one VtD now, it's mine