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Enh.. Not a great example for my needs since I'm already working with multiparameter function objects.

(Which are curried under the hood, but...)

var IrsToHrBlockDecorator(irsProcessor) {
  return function(hrBlockId) {
    return irsProcessor(Translator.HrBlockToIrs(hrBlockId));
  };
}

var HrBlockCarProcessor = IrsToHrBlockDecorator(IrsCarProcessor);

@Telastyn what langauge?

I know you're not supposed to use the args array in JavaScript, but pfleh sometimes it is a handy abstraction to have available for abstracting over multiparameter functions

you can use .bind(argsArray) or .call(argsArray) - don't remember which, when you don't know the number of args to hand to a function but you have them

But outside of JavaScript I don't know where you can call functions without knowing how many params to pass to them unless they're pre-curried so 1 param at a time is always possible

@JimmyHoffa - my own.

so currently function declarations are like

(x: int) op (y: int) => int {...}

which becomes pretty awkward to pass as a function

so I was considering something like

@Telastyn oh you mean an anonymous function?

if that were simply a variable passing it would be easy, but anonymous functions can be ugly if the language doesn't have something nice for them, true...

@Telastyn op is your function name in this example?

12:25 AM

zip (a: IEnumerable<A>) and (b: IEnumerable<B>) with ((a: A) zipper (b: B) => A,B) => IEnumerable<A,B> { ... }

Something really nice about shopping for insurance - it's in all the companies best interest to make their websites really easy to work with….

which then is called like zip foo and bar with a+b

@Telastyn going for a natural language style?

the callsite would get the variables as declared on the function for anonymous use.

yes. kinda. symbols and things can be used, it turns out to be flexible enough for a variety of approaches.

@JimmyHoffa - yes, though function name is a little of a misnomer - all functions are sorts of patterns.

(in pattern matching, not OO patterns)

makes sense

psr

12:28 AM

@Telastyn haskell.org/hoogle/?hoogle=%28a-%3Eb-%3Ec%29

@Telastyn basically your fixity is totally arbitrary

yes.

the issue is how this would work if nested

you could make a nesting keyword

or symbol

if you wanted to take a function argument which itself had another function argument.

or if you ever really needed that

alternatively the compilation could just throw on ambiguities in nest deduction

12:30 AM

I could just fix the grammar to disallow it.

but this is one of those "if it's a good idea, it should be generically applicable" sort of areas

and since it's not generally applicable (in a few days of pondering)...

@Telastyn give me an example of nesting that doesn't work? it seems like it should work fine except when ambiguities arise from developers defining signatures that have pattern similarities, the compile could just do a pattern comparison to identify any such ambiguous similarities and fail the build on them - but otherwise allowing them. Then the nesting itself would be obvious because functions with ambiguous patterns couldn't be defined anyway

I don't mean comparing usages, I mean comparing signature definitions, you're allowing a lot of arbitrariness in your signatures to begin with, I would think some type of ambiguity checker on those patterns would be something you'd want to begin with

the issue is with the semantics.

Yeah, think I need an example because it's not clear to me then

as I imagine the zip example above, when the pattern matcher tries to match the function part, it adds a and b as legal symbols at the callsite.

right, makes sense

12:36 AM

so if you have something defined as...

foo( bar( baz( quux: int): int): int): int (function foo takes an expression that yields an int, with a function baz(int):int available in scope, which has quux in scope of its call?)

that last part doesn't fit.

and if it did, it would be like back here in the original function declaring this, and it'd be weird.

and if it's hard to explain, then that's a sign I don't understand it well enough.

:/

...no, I don't understand. I read it as foo :: ((int ->int) -> int) -> int but you're saying quux is bound at foos callsite which is thep roblem?

you just don't like quux being bound at foos callsite because it's bad scoping?

ok, I think I understand... but in your example, foo is a function definition, not a function call, right?

yeh, one moment.

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Ok then I get it - you don't want foo to know about quux - and it shouldn't. quux should be no part of foos signature.

quux should exist in it's call site but not it's signature. I think in your example you mean to write foo(f:<appropriate type signature that means (int->int)->int>)

that's the only way I see that signature definition making sense.

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foo shouldn't know about it's parameters parameters - the whole point of foo taking a function is to have the parameters of it's function abstracted from it.

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12:46 AM

But one should not miss:

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@Telastyn all it needs to know is their type so it can interact with them but not their pattern. Is your functions type definition strongly tied to your functions pattern?

yes, one moment.

actually if the pattern is a necessity for knowing how to call them and foo needs to call the function...it may need to know the pattern; ergo you may need a universal function call pattern (like how in Haskell everything can be prefix if you parenthesize it)

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@RobertHarvey The Moth Rare Romance, Well-Done Marriage

12:48 AM

in Haskell, every infix function can be prefix by simply paranthesizing it, you maybe should do similar. Then you'll have to define rules for parameter ordering also like how (1+2) == (+) 1 2

okay, sorry, real life called.

okay, let's step back a little

@Telastyn does it want it's tie back? I fucking hate when that happens...

using [T] as enumerable of type T since I'm lazy.

   (collection: [T]).where(filter(x: T): bool) => [T] {
        foreach(T entry in collection){
            if(filter(entry)){ yield return entry; }
        }
    }

@Telastyn fixed font button shows up with new lines

thanks.

okay, so x here is used at the callsite, not in the function, yeah?

12:54 AM

@Telastyn yes, which is why it shouldn't be in your where definition

normally, that is absolutely true.

but your pattern approach is strongly tied to your type definition in the case of functions, yes?

but when functions don't have names, you can't just refer to the function by name to pass it in

yes.

that where function has a signature like

that's the root of your problem

[T] -> '.' -> 'where' -> (T -> bool) -> [T]

12:56 AM

you need a type definition syntax for functions that's homogenous just like how you do for values (bool, int, etc, these have a uniform type definition syntax)

I do though.

it's just horribly awkward for the pattern style functions that should be encouraged.

oh, is f(param1:valType, param2:valType):returnType your uniform function syntax?

so I was pondering alternatives

ahh I see. Yes, that is akward when functions are defined like your zip function above

@JimmyHoffa - give or take, but the key thing is that f and params can be multiples and in arbitrary ordering.

12:58 AM

sorry - I just meant for type definitions

I get that in actual definition they have a pattern

sorry, I am perhaps not understanding what you're asking

f :: int -> int <-- type definition

okay.

as opposed to a f b = a+b which is a function definition

okay.

1:01 AM

in your where example, the only reason you made reference to x is because you needed it to define the type definition for filter

right?

...no

umm

...no I don't understand at all. :)

yeah, trying to figure out how to explain.

why was x in that example? O_o

That's the only thing I saw odd in that code, x had no reason to be there

because x can then be used at the callsite....

1:03 AM

on purpose?

so in C#, you need lambda syntax for where

foo.where(x=>x==2);

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the use of x in the example pushes x to be the placeholder for the callback

@Telastyn but x == entry ..so you don't need x

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@MichaelT They aren't?

1:04 AM

so instead of lambda syntax, you can say

foo.where x==2

when you call it

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@RobertHarvey you know you want to ask that question...

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without having declare x

@Telastyn in this callsite you should be able to reference a==2 and have the exact same results. a==2 should be int -> bool which meets your where criteria for the type definition of filter

where is a declared?

1:06 AM

@Telastyn at the callsite, anonymously

how?

or rather - in the definition of ==

I mean, what would the code look like to do that?

(x:IEquatable<T>) == (y:IEquatable<T>) = x.Equals(y), then if you allow naked anonymous functions like x==2, you should also allow them to be a==2 and have it deduce the meaning of x or a in the same fashion: Based on the pattern for ==

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@MichaelT I use screws for everything. It means commitment. Not only are you attaching two pieces of wood, but the threads ensure they do not pull apart. I am sure there is a metaphor for marriage in there too.

1:09 AM

Oo

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@Snowman Square or T bit?

I missed some step in there

perhaps the issue is you're trying to allow naked anonymous functions? I really don't think the internal variables of where should be bound into its callsite

even if they're only a part of its signature

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@MichaelT I am no carpenter or tradesman. I just know I buy boxes of wood and drywall screws depending on the need. Also, tapcons for masonry.

oh, I see I think - you're doing pattern decomposition

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1:10 AM

I hate computers

naked anonymous functions are going to be hard to deduce from your grammar more than likely, but the alternative of binding type signature variables to callsites sounds dangerous instead of difficult

yes, that's true, though I expect not as bad as people might expect.

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@Snowman Nor am I, but... when I do have the option, its a square bit for indoor and T bit for outdoor. Has to do with how easy it is to grip the screw... and a T15 or T25 the average high school prankster won't have in their tool bag.

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I used muon to install Redmine and all of its dependencies, and of course I can't access it. The installer did not add it to Apache2's configuration and did not start any services. Dammit Jim, I'm a programmer, not a sysadmin!

95% of C# unary anonymous function parameters are named x

1:12 AM

@Telastyn 0% of mine are :)

so you're the one! </joking>

okay, I don't really see what you mean by the equality inference

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@MichaelT I have pretty much any drill bit a prankster could hope for (including those "secure" torx bits with the nub in the center) but meh... Home Depot carries tons and tons of phillips head screws.

or rather how that could be done programmatically.

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@Snowman They also carry square head screws too... its about how easy it is to apply force without stripping the head.

@Telastyn like I said, could be hard/impossible... if you want to bind variables from the callsite, make them fixed like in perl %1 and %2 etc so the function definition doesn't get to claim x and consumers have to use x

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1:14 AM

I will have to check next time, then. I have had to open electrical boxes and appliances with the square bits and they generally grip better, but I have managed to strip one or two.

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Takes a bit more to strip it out though... and if you are concerned about it, thats when you go to the T bits.

that may be your best approach to your problem really. Inferring that just because x doesn't exist in a current or parent scope it must be a parameter to an anonymous function and deciding x==2 is Int->Bool would be nasty and likely as dangerous as exposing type variables from the function definition at the callsite where people would undoubtedly end up colliding local variables with them

so %1-%n is the best solution

yeh.

perhaps

the one thing is that the parser is smart enough to avoid collision if the types are distinct

it'll pick the right one.

but if you already have an int named x, you're probably going to be passing ints into the thing.

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1:19 AM

@MichaelT speaking of woodworking, my wife says I need to make this: onmyhonoriwilltry.blogspot.com/2011/07/…

@Telastyn and who doesn't name their ints x? (me!)

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@Snowman Heh. That looks nice.

no kidding, my for loops usually read for(int currentDogIndex = 0; currentDogIndex < dogs.Length; currentDogIndex++) and I'm equally descriptive of params in my lambda functions

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@Snowman How about... imgur.com/a/ukmFs

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@MichaelT I am not sure if my little fuzzy bastards are worth it. With my luck I would spend all day building it, and one of them would throw up a hairball on it.

1:22 AM

bleh.

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@Snowman reddit.com/r/DIY/search?q=cat+tree&restrict_sr=on

certainly not for lambdas. 8 chars at the outside.

@Telastyn yeah, not usually, more like var comboDog = new Dog { LegCount = dogs.Select(dog => dog.LegCount).Sum() };

yeh

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The real trick would be to make a cat wheel.

1:26 AM

I suppose with the new iteration (a,b) => ... to (a)some op(b) wouldn't be too bad.

@MichaelT var catWheel = new Wheel { Material = new CatMaterial() }; ?

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Cats running wheel

Bengal Cat Fighting for the Exercise Wheel

@MichaelT my wife made a cat wheel on the highway about 6 months back, she cried the rest of the way home :(

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@MichaelT the real fun comes when you put a door on it and attach a motor

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1:29 AM

@JimmyHoffa motor? generator!

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(btw, look at the cat at 2:08 on that video)

@MichaelT yeesh, that things a little too close to it's evolutionary roots

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My cats would be intrigued by the cat wheels until they started moving.

cat wheel by Richard Norton

my cats would likely sleep in them

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1:36 AM

What would I do without YouTube?

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Work on making a cat tree?

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I can tell you two things I would not watch: inane cat videos and Honest Trailers.

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@MichaelT maybe this weekend

@Telastyn one of my cats would be found gnawing on it, the other would just stay in my bed waiting for bed time or sleeping; I'm not entirely convinced the thing ever leaves the bed

I now suffer from lapkat.

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1:41 AM

This weekend, if things go ok will be one of: Replace water softener or shuffle furniture.

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Friday is "drive north to mow my other lawn" and then "get wine on the way back down"

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This weekend: drink beer and watch boxing. Which is odd, because I don't even like boxing.

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For me, this weekend is "move my nana to her new place" and then "curl up in a pile on Sunday"

@MichaelT how are things with 2 places btw? Putting the other place on the market?

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@JimmyHoffa First, got to finish the projects that I had underway. Property taxes on it are near nothing... just the upkeep on the grounds.

Q: Too many parameters to data processing class constructor

1:44 AM

this weekend is avengers and shopping and hockey. And probably a lot of video games.

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@MichaelT you think that homework question that was just posted (and you commented on) is a duplicate of this question? I only ask because I am not sure what his professor's goal is:

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I have a conceptually simple application: data comes in as small encrypted packets, they decrypted and validated, some are stored in the database, some rules are applied, and a reply might be encrypted and sent. Packets arrive at a rate of high hundreds of thousands per thread per second, so perf...

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@Telastyn What video games are you playing lately?

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@Snowman it wouldn't be wrong from the site perspective... I like builders rather than parameter objects, but thats just my preference...

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I look at that constructor in the baby sitting question and go 'ewww'... its doing way too much.

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1:49 AM

I agree, builders are my preference. But my concern is while that would be our approach, is that the answer to his question?

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Given this is an assignment and not a real world program

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The answer to the question is the one the professor wants and is described in the previous lecture and syllabus.

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I think this is likely one of those "college specials" where they fail to teach proper OO concepts and are 20 years behind industry anyway. I'm going to VTC as a dupe.

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And it may have nothing to do with the way that the code would be written in the real world... seriously... 35 line constructor? Something is wrong with that class.

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It really wants a builder pattern with a babysitter factory and maybe a rules engine too... but then thats the Enterprise Programmer in me speaking.

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1:51 AM

I have seen very few cases where constructors that big and complex are warranted, and generally because it is the least bad way of dealing with a crappy interface

World of tanks oddly. Pillars of eternity, path of exile

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@Telastyn I forgot all about Path of Exile, how is that? I looked at it before release and it looked badass, but I have been burned by games that look sweet but aren't fun before.

Random mobile things

It is fantastic. They're working on a new release which looks interesting

Very replayable.

Have ~500hrs with it.

And, y'know.., it's free.

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I picked up Dragon Age: Inquisition and have been slowly making my way through it. Pretty fun so far, even if yet another recycled action/RPG with amazing graphics.

Yeah, much larger game than it first appears

Not super deep.

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1:57 AM

I normally pick up games a year after release when they are super cheap. I got Assassin's Creed 4 for like $15 when 5 came out.

A: Why do electrons, according to my textbook, exist forever?

I sometimes do that. When stuff shows up on steam.

Steam sale rather.

The g/f likes action RPGs though, so path of exile is the right sort of stuff.

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The statement is true for decays, where lifetimes can be measured. It is not true for interactions though. A suicidal electron meeting a positron has a good probability to disappear, together with the positron, into two gamma rays, at low energies. Electron-positron annihilation It is intri...

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The electron wouldn't be suicidal if it hadn't spent its entire life being negative. — Darth Wedgius yesterday

Heh

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@Snowman This is how I play most things - I tend to hit a lot of games long after others are done, so I get to ask questions on Arqade and there are lots of people to help :D

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1:59 AM

@MichaelT that comment, and its author's name, are epic.

The one thing about the Internet is that someone is always further into a game than me.

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My wife plays Words with Friends. She thinks pretty much every game I play, whether computer or PS4, look the same.

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@Telastyn Some people are just really fast with games: tasvideos.org

Heh, we play that too. Hearthstone, minecraft. She dislikes competition, but likes smashing things...

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My children play Minecraft together. Sometimes they actually work together, generally they just wreck each other's stuff.

2:03 AM

Kids... :D

Yeah, building stuff with Lego's was always a prelude to smashing Lego things.

K'Nex Robot (Knexoskeleton)

we made cars out of knex (sp?) and then rammed them into each other when we were younger

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LEGO Great Ball Contraption (GBC) Layout 2012.9

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Q: How can we prevent our jobs from being just getting the external tools to work?

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2:08 AM

This question needs some love:

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A group of friends and I have been using Visual Studio 2013 Express + Git to work on a team project for the past month or so, and it seems the reliability of these programs fluctuates a lot. Sometimes it works great and our jobs are to get the actual code working. Other times it breaks without wa...

visual-studio tools

LEGO GBC module : Invisible Lift

@MichaelT that's kinda cool

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Record-breaking LEGO great ball contraption / Rube Goldberg - Brickworld Chicago 2014

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And this craziness...

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2:10 AM

Nowe I am going to be watching LEGO vids for a very long forever :)

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@AshleyNunn greatballcontraption.com/wiki/Interpretations_of_the_standard

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Those instructions are how they all fit together.

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Huh, it's very structured.

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Very in that "this is how one connects to the other"

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It lets people build individual 'modules'

Q: Is there a case where nails are better than screws, from an engineering/structural standpoint?

2:21 AM

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Is there a case where nails are better than screws, from a structural standpoint? For instance: Say you used screws instead of nails on a backyard deck, when the design specifically called for nails. Would the result be inferior? Could it fail inspection? Would nails absolutely be preferable in ...

deck engineering structural screws nails

@MichaelT youtube.com/watch?v=sUtS52lqL5w

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@Shog9 And there are likely sometimes when VB is better than Java... ;-)

@Shog9 ... how did you find that to go back towards? do you have all of chat.se piped into your brain?! or just read... everything :o

@MichaelT interop with Office? Sure.

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Whee! Apache POI!

2:24 AM

@enderland maybe I just search chat for "screws" periodically?

@Shog9 I suppose that is a possibility I didn't think of

yeah. And now you can't unthink it.

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"POI" apparently stands for "Poor Obfuscation Implementation" as the designers could come up with no other reason for why MS Office documents are structured that way.

It's not surprising you are checking for loose screws in chat though, wouldn't want too much crazy to be lurking in the shadows

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> POI stands for Poor Obfuscation Implementation. Why would we name our project such a derogatory name? Well, Microsoft's OLE 2 Compound Document Format is a poorly conceived thing. It is essentially an archive structured much like the old DOS FAT filesystem. Redmond chose, instead of using tar, gzip, zip or arc, to invent their own archive format that does not provide any standard encryption or compression, is not very appendable and is prone to fragmentation.

2:26 AM

that ship sailed a long, long time ago

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> HSSF (Horrible Spreadsheet Format)
HSSF is our port of the Microsoft Excel 97(-2002) file format (BIFF8) to pure Java. It supports read and write capability. Please see the HSSF project page for more information.

yeah... Once long ago I learned enough about OLE compound documents to write a utility for something or other (Outlook emails maybe?) - VB is definitely the lesser of two evils here.

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btw, @Shog9 there's a new stats request that MapleShaft dove into a bit via Data.SE... might be interesting to dive into it further with deleted question access.

Q: Does closing a question before an answer is received change the behavior of a user on future questions?

link?

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One of those ideas that got bantered around - does closing a question have any evidence at modifying a user's future behavior if it happens before they get an answer? We often see people ask a question, get an answer, and then get the question closed for one reason or another. Also, there are ti...

discussion closed-questions statistics

2:29 AM

ah, that's a good one. I'll have to find time for it.

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There's a query already written.

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(its in MapleShaft's answer)

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The bit on the podcast awhile back about the head on a steak (stake? pike? pole?) aspect of closed questions warning others... and that doesn't seem too effective. So the next question is "how effective is it with the actual person who had their question closed?"

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@MichaelT I got six minutes in before I realized why you linked that.

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@RobertHarvey The Moth has a lot of good stories to listen to.

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2:34 AM

I watched that entire 17 minute lego vid

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and I do not regret it

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@AshleyNunn My nephew (3.5 now) loves watching marble movies... we did it much of the winter as a 'distract him' thing... helps that my brother is a lego fan (gotta see if we can get down to Brickworld 2015 in Chicago)

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@MichaelT Very nice :) I am not good at building stuff or logic-ing out the hows of it, but I am highly entertained by them

@MichaelT I have some issues with the method he's using. But, if you want 4K rows of results including the deleted ones, you can have 'em.

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@Shog9 We do the best we can... and don't quite have as much information / day to day business analytics practice on the data as you do.

2:37 AM

Id,FirstPostId,FirstPostCreationDate,FirstPostClosedDate,SecondPostId,SecondPostCreationDate,SecondPostCreationDate,SecondPostClosedDate,SecondPostClosedAfter48Hours,SecondPostClosedWithin48Hours
"128794","263265","2014-11-19 20:33:40","2014-11-20 00:13:36","","","","","0","0"
"129144","237970","2014-05-05 12:04:12","2014-05-05 13:11:09","","","","","0","0"
"129293","250491","2014-07-20 05:42:59","2014-07-20 17:30:03","","","","","0","0"
"129476","238282","2014-05-07 18:24:54","2014-05-08 14:05:29","","","","","0","0"

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(the team presentation for today's department (everyone who reports up to the CIO) was from the newly filled business intelligence team... neat data they're playing with)

@MichaelT there you go ^ cc @maple_shaft

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They deal with recidivism reports too...

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@Shog9 thank you for the edit... grabbing it via post history is useful.

I'd have put it on Google Docs, but Google is refusing to import it for some reason.

...and as I said that, it finally went through

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2:40 AM

You might want to toss another edit on that post so people aren't tempted to click the 'show more' and get huge chunks of data.

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/…

@MichaelT they will then learn a Valuable Lesson

@MichaelT loaded way too fast. 0/10 will not repeat

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When you see 'show more text' on a shog post, there are some things that cannot be unclicked?

only 400K or so, not too bad

I mean, I'm sure there are folks here who've posted animated gifs that are worse

@MichaelT no I was expecting something exciting, not totally a let down ;)

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2:43 AM

I think I had a big picture of a container ship back when we were talking about container houses...

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@MichaelT I just watched a documentary about a giant container ship.

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@AshleyNunn The conversation back around chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/21?m=12176520#12176520

Shipping container architecture

I've thought some that it'd be fun to go along with a container ship for a few weeks/months

I guess a lot of cargo ships let you do that, if you want

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Shipping container architecture is a form of architecture using steel intermodal containers (shipping containers) as structural element. It is also referred to as cargotecture, a portmanteau of cargo with architecture. The use of containers as a building material has grown in popularity of the past several years due to their inherent strength, wide availability, and relatively low expense. We have also started to see people build homes with containers because they are seen as more eco-friendly than traditional building materials such as brick and cement. == Advantages == Strength and durability...

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@MichaelT I love stuff like this.

2:46 AM

@AshleyNunn tumbleweedhouses.com

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@MichaelT umm. I guess you could do that

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There are three kinds of houses I want - a stone house (like uncut stones), a container house, or a nice log house

we've talked about a log cabin sometime

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@AshleyNunn lot-ek.com/MDU-Mobile-Dwelling-Unit

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2:48 AM

Notice how the extension cords that power each pop out section are done:

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Oh, that looks awesome

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>
One shipping container is transformed into a Mobile Dwelling Unit. Cuts in the metal walls of the container generate extruded sub-volumes, each encapsulating one living, working or storage function. When traveling, these sub-volumes are pushed in, filling the entire container. They then interlock with each other, leaving the outer skin of the container flush to allow worldwide standard shipping. When in use, all sub-volumes are pushed out, leaving the interior of the container completely unobstructed with all functions accessible along its sides. The interior of the container and the sub-…

@MichaelT I recall looking into this and finding one of the biggest troubles is converting such into a non-toxic space; they chemically treat the ever living shit out of those things to make them durable for all kinds of environments and stresses. Stripping all of the chemical treatments takes a lot.

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2:52 AM

@JimmyHoffa Yep. And that takes us back to more sensible and house looking houses... like tumbleweed.

I'm still a fan of the iHouse

regardless of it's utter failure to launch

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Tough, if you're going to do say... a dozen or so, the cleansing of the container cost goes down with the economy of scale.

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I just like tiny houses

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user15026

I would live in one, happily, if I could get rid of a lot of my stuff without someone making me feel guilty (my family has a lot of "we gave you this thing you must keep it" going on)

user114359

2:53 AM

@AshleyNunn diynetwork.com/how-to/make-and-decorate/decorating/… ?

user55340

@AshleyNunn tumbleweedhouses.com

@Snowman I've looked into a DIY log home... there are a lot of people out there that do that

7 mins ago, by enderland

@AshleyNunn http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/

user15026

@Snowman oooooh

user55340

@enderland just reinforcing the message.

Q: Python print is a syntax error

Supposedly it's really cost effective if you DIY it, though I'm somewhat skeptical

user55340

2:55 AM

user114359

@AshleyNunn if you get DIY Network on cable they have at least two shows about tiny houses. I find it interesting, but I need space.

user15026

@Snowman I don't have cable or the like, but my parents have satellite and will record anything for me to watch when I am there (which is relatively often) so I will ask them to grab me some episodes

user114359

@AshleyNunn I forget the names but I am sure the web site has them listed. The good one is where the two dudes travel the country building tiny homes from scratch for people. The less interesting one (in my opinion) is where people compare 3 pre-mades and choose.

user15026

Ah, yeah, I'd like the first one more

user114359

I had the wrong network entirely. This is the show you want: fyi.tv/shows/tiny-house-nation

user114359

3:03 AM

If you look at the picture the guy on the left is awesome. He's the designer/builder and he comes up with some amazing ideas, ideas I would love in my regular house.

user114359

@AshleyNunn Forgot to tag you in case you wandered off...

user15026

OMG yay full eps :D

Robert Harvey

3:42 AM

One more vote needed to migrate: programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/280546

MetaFight

10:45 AM

@RobertHarvey "Requirements that are not accompanied by an acceptance test are not requirements at all; they're wishes." -- you <--- nice.

Duga

11:16 AM

This isn't a tutorial service! This site is, per the tour you clearly didn't bother to take, a resource for "professional and enthusiast programmers", not cheating students who were too lazy to do any work prior to the last minute. — jonrsharpe 25 secs ago

MetaFight

yay @ burning the very little SO rep I have

-4

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python printing

11:33 AM

I just wrote my first P.SE answer, too bad was just "google me" question

ratchet freak

11:45 AM

Don't feel too bad my first answer was to a question answered in the faq of the documentation

I wrote a number of those answers on SO too

ratchet freak

it's easy rep.

I like helping and is easy to do so

12:21 PM

P.SE is a very different environment from SO.

1:29 PM

@ratchetfreak lol

"LGTFY" [and get lots of rep]

@enderland it's a verified fact

2:11 PM

empty room? am I the only one at work today? irony.

user41796

Just quiet

Thomas Owens

I'm bored.

user41796

@ThomasOwens go ask some software engineering management questions on Engineering

Thomas Owens

@GlenH7 If I had some, I'd ask them on Programmers.

And then self-answer.

Just a slow day I suppose

user41796

2:13 PM

@ThomasOwens No love for the Beta, I see....

2:46 PM

okay, well severance is better than advertised. 1 mo health covered, and ~$10k pre-tax.

I'm not sure if that is good, I don't have reference. But hope you're pleased about it

How is the job hunting going?

@Telastyn nice, I think? dpeends on how much you made every 2 weeks ;)

durron597

@GlenH7 how goes the spaghetti

user41796

The chianti helped

@André - whole lot of recruiter noise.

2:51 PM

That sounds annoying, if no good comes from it

shrug

user41796

@André Just part of the game.

user41796

@durron597 I ended up getting burned by the data itself too

and $10k is plenty fine for this area's cost of living.

durron597

@GlenH7 Oh?

user41796

2:53 PM

dearly departed failed to expand out the data as requested, so I have to fix that. And when digging into the data, I found out that I can have differing start times for various parameters despite requesting a particular start time

user41796

so now I get to write a method that pulls back all of the stored data and compares that against the current batch of data to detect updates

user41796

@Telastyn Would think that could cover 2 - 3 months regular expenses and possibly more if you're conservative with it.

user41796

Does anyone know if the C# datatable has a mechanism to compare all of the cells of two different datatables?

user41796

Essentially, I have an "old" datatable with whatever values. I want to overlay a new table and update the old if the values in the new table are not null.

@GlenH7 - yeah, should be easily 3+ months alone.

the nice thing is that the other household income is about what I made when I bought the house, so we could live off of that if necessary.

@GlenH7 - dunno, haven't done much with that stuff.

user41796

2:57 PM

@Telastyn I kinda figure I have to write a custom function for it. I can either work against two List<Foo> or against DataTable<Foo>. Kinda equivalent in this case

prolly.

durron597

@Telastyn When you said Health do you mean COBRA or your current plan?