The Whiteboard

Evil Genius Orchestra - "Cantina Band" (Cocktails in the Cantina)

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Though I really like...

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1:46 AM

Tequila Rose works pretty great in a chocolate milkshake.

Star Wars - Cantina Band - Electric Moog Orchestra

2:11 AM

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@RobertHarvey long time since I've heard that...

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it uh... yea...8 track. LONG time since I've heard that.

I was a fan of Meco, back in the day.

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I wonder how many people have heard music from an actual 8 track anymore.

Not I

2:17 AM

You have to be a certain age. I remember listening to my mom's 8-track of Abbey Road. "She's so heavy" was so long that it dictated the length of the 8-track; there was a huge pause on the other three stereo tracks before the switch-over.

Abbey Road. What a great f*cking album.

I still don't "get" the Beatles

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There is the "all those girls screaming" which was one thing... and for that matter, I don't get Justin Beiber. Same thing at work I suppose.

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And then there's just some good music.

You have to know what music was like before the Beatles came along. They were quite revolutionary at the time. Of course, since so much music since then has been informed by the Beatles, it's not a novel thing anymore.

@RobertHarvey that's probably true. I'm "spoiled" too since for the past 5 years I've volunteered at a concert venue and seen many, many really awesome unknown bands

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2:21 AM

Each of the Beatles had a particular sound to their own part of the music.

@MichaelT I don't hope to explain Justin Beiber at all...

@enderland Oh, the very best music comes from the bands that are not really popular. Especially nowadays, where popular music is ruled by the record companies with an iron fist.

> Justin Bieber is so popular because he has talent in singing (of course) and the song that many teenager can relate on the song and he is also handsome that's why he has too many haters and besides many girls out there are die hard fans or shall I say Beliebers, just like me.

The Beatles were one of the few bands in history that became hugely successful on the strength of one sound, and then mid-career they completely changed their sound and became hugely successful with that.

@RobertHarvey yeah, I like the feel of local concerts too

@RobertHarvey they are definitely good - though I don't care for the style much

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2:22 AM

McCartney had some wonderful melodic pieces.

The Beatles - While My Guitar Gently Weeps [Digital Remastered]

I'm a "second generation" Beatles fan. I never warmed up to their first sound.

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bieber first got popular on youtube with "candid video" style

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Some nice Harrison there.

@ratchetfreak youtube is really great for the music scene imo. Lets people get started with minimal money and get really popular

Quite a few of our shows come from basically people who are primarily popular with youtube audiences and eventually go on tour

2:24 AM

all you need is a decent mike on whatever you are using as a camera

Yeah, much harder when the Beatles were popular

plus some luck on the youtube related vids selection

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Btw, a bit of the story behind the story of Taxman...

ugh. looking up one of the small youtube bands who played about 5 years ago, his last tweet is... about playing a bieber cover. Ughhhhhhhhhhh

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(trying to find the refrence for it...)

2:27 AM

Taxman

"Taxman" is a song written by George Harrison and released as the opening track on the Beatles' 1966 album Revolver. Its lyrics attack the high levels of progressive tax taken by the British Labour government of Harold Wilson. == Composition and recordingEdit == Harrison said, "'Taxman' was when I first realised that even though we had started earning money, we were actually giving most of it away in taxes. It was and still is typical." As their earnings placed them in the top tax bracket in the United Kingdom, the Beatles were liable to a 95% supertax introduced by Harold Wilson's Labour...

another is a community coordinator at Microsoft, interesting hahah

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I was trying to find a reference to the bit that I heard once upon a time that one of the original pre-fab four eventually went to work for the british version of the IRS.

Q: Active/selected members of group on the left? or right?

sounds more like a joke

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Programming in the 21st century: What can you put in a refrigerator?

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I probably asked this on UX at the wrong time:

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2:38 AM

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Given a web page with the classic "move items from a list on one side to the other", does it make more sense to have "active" on the left hand side of the screen? or the right? While Submit Buttons on the Left or the Right? is similar in some respects, it addresses the placement of the submit bu...

@MichaelT do you have restrictions on horizontal? vertical might make more immediate sense

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@enderland There are a few other input fields... and another "active" and "inactive" mover.

ahh k

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Just doing a mcve for UI without trying to confuse with all of the rest of the things.

you should fix "wether" as that's driving me nuts but I can't edit enough characters to submit an edit...

2:43 AM

why no checkboxes?

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@ratchetfreak There are 30 items in one group that goes back and forth, and 50 items in another.

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That would get a bit cumbersome and cluttered for checkboxes.

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Typically there will be no more than about 4 or 5 of the 30 or 50 that are active.

@MichaelT I don't think it makes any difference which side, though I would put active on the left and inactive on the right personally

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@enderland what I display... and yep, thats what I've got in the app. Just one of the team leads who likes to nitpick every UI item was suggesting it reversed.

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2:47 AM

So, I'm trying to find good reasons (one way or the other).

@MichaelT my main feeling for doing it that way is we tend to read left columns first, and so presumably you'd want to read the active column first

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My personal take on it is a "the important things are on the left hand side of the page - scan down and you see everything you need to know"

but I'm curious now, most mobile "on" switches are right is on, left is off right?

I can see that being compelling

because most sliders are "off on left, on on right" or increase left to right

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Yep. Thus the conundrum.

but that affordance doesn't apply here (it's more on a continuum there, vs a discrete thing here)

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2:50 AM

@ratchetfreak btw, I'm adding a bit more context to the wireframe.

or dump the 2 list paradigm and go instead to the 1 list and separate page to add to it

that "active on right" feels wrong though

I'm trying to figure out what we have that is similar where my feeling comes from

normally UX things are "right" as they conform to other interfaces, and "wrong" as they disagree

I've made such a system before and put inactive on the left and active on the right

but that entire menu is honestly horrible

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Eclipse. Run on server. Add applications goes to the right.

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3:20 AM

And I suspect a MCVE there isn't as useful...

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There's the full thing.

3:32 AM

Then I'd really say dump the 2 list approach and instead 1 list with a button to search for items to add

@MichaelT I put an answer there, I think most UX perspectives suggest inactive on left, active on right

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I'm just "hmm"ing about this. personally I do the "I'm on the page - go from top to bottom" and scan the left column for everything I need.

@MichaelT what is the default item state?

I am assuming inactive

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90% inactive.

definitely do inactive on left then as that really fits the affordances we have

but realistically if it's clear, it doenst matter

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3:43 AM

My argument for the design that I have (active on left) is that you can hide everything right of the arrow and have a status page.

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If active is on the right, you're going to need to scan to the right each time you hit a section.

I like that someone put an answer there that seems to summarize my answer

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@ThomasOwens (or @WorldEngineer) we've got 179 items tagged scala. Could you add default syntax highlighting for the tag?

4:49 AM

Because many people are bad programmers and even more people are lazy? In all seriousness, there were once good reasons for small variable names on systems with extremely limited resources. These days, it's laziness or sloppiness. In any case, this question is pretty broad and heavily opinion-based and is not a good fit for this site. — Ed Cottrell 44 secs ago

7:30 AM

I see... It was migrated to programmers (programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/41562/…), where my answer was not accepted, and just came back here. Weird. Context: meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7285/… — VonC 28 secs ago

Thomas Owens

12:16 PM

@MichaelT I don't know how to do that or I would. That may be something that SE needs to do...

Could you make a post on Meta? I'll follow up later today - just woke up a little while ago.

12:49 PM

aww the repcapping has ended

1:28 PM

f.lux has hit the mainstream media

well it was nice being cool and edgy while it lasted

all of, what, a week?

I'm not getting why this is a bad thing

it's not

ugh, the predictable angry woman ranting to them in FB comments about having not put together an Android version (because "two words: four years")

on a post about their fight with Apple - apparently Apple asked them to stop distributing for iOS over some problem with the developer agreement

they'll be bought by Apple before long anyway and it won't be available on Android or Windows at all then

Toddler sings Star Wars Imperial March

2:18 PM

Meanings of "interesting" 1. Interesting 2. Remarkably boring 3. Suspicious 4. Curious 5. I'm afraid I'm not listening 6. You've lost me

Tweeted by SoVeryBritish on November 15, 2015 at 12:23 PM

@LightnessRacesinOrbit there is an app for android which does this too

I've been using flux for..... years

@enderland could you link me to it?

the f.lux guys say they have a good app but no useful way to deploy it yet

@LightnessRacesinOrbit play.google.com/store/apps/…

I think it's that

nice thanks

I love how I can install it on my phone from the web on my PC btw

or I can verify it's installed from my computer (not sure where my phone is) ;)

I run flux on my work computer even during the day

2:29 PM

obligatory: bash.org/?5273

A: How can I associate specific tag with specific syntax highlighting

lol

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3:15 PM

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Its probably somewhere in the edit tag info?

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diamond moderators can now change syntax highlighting on a per-tag per-site basis. We're also looking at an in-source override syntax soon. — Jeff Atwood ♦ Feb 21 '11 at 22:27

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Only moderators are able to change the default syntax highlighting on a per-tag basis. If you have good reasons for having a default highlighter applied to a tag, you will need to bring it up on that site's Meta as a feature-request. Chances are it will be applied, but one huge thing you have to...

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@Andon it's a moderator only option. Raise a feature request question. — ChrisF ♦ Jun 12 '14 at 17:31

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Btw, this looks like a nightmare in the making:

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Computer Science Educators

Proposed Q&A site for anyone interested in becoming a better computer science educator, with a focus on K-12 teachers and parents. All backgrounds, levels of teaching experience, and familiarity with CS are welcome. Think of it as PD when and how you want it!

Currently in definition.

@Micah: Indeed! We can choose 5/4 if we're into Star Trek, and 4/5 if we're into Star Wars, which is great! — Lightness Races in Orbit 5 secs ago

trollolol

@MichaelT also lol

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit yea... software and language recommendations spilling over along with "how do I explain recursion" type questions.

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Maybe they might be able to have it work there... but from what I've seen as soon as one of the "explain recursion questions" hits HNQ, you will have every SO user who has gotten to second semester CS classes coming over to explain the helpful advice how they think it works.

As a sufferer of ClearCase, I thought this question would have been better to edit than to close. This is doubly true since closing it deleted several useful answers. (This is the result of the question having been migrated here.) The only clue I have for why it was closed is the revision history that removed [ips-and-tricks]: http://meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7285/structured-tag-cleanup‌-initiative-phase-ii. I get why that's a poor tag, but why not fix the question body too? — Jon Ericson ♦ 14 hours ago

Q: Where to put save files on users computer

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In my c++ application I want to store values in an xml file each time the application is closed. where am I best saving this xml file?

c++ save

wow

3:28 PM

There's no way that question isn't Too Broad... Do the folks at SE corporate even understand their own platform?

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@RobertHarvey its too broad... and its a specific tool question.

@MichaelT the same people spamming SO with their misconceptions and misteachings

@MichaelT Are these the kinds of questions that Jon is expecting us to save with edits?

I think you'd have to ask Jon

I did. Well, sort of. meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/7723/…

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3:30 PM

@RobertHarvey At times I wonder if SE corporate completely missed out on the years between the enforcement notice and now.

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Oh... ok, that explains a bit. I was wondering who this "Adam" person is I saw in various comments until I clicked the profile and noticed the same picture.

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stackexchange.com/users/37099/adam-lear

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And SE.com profiles don't onebox.

discussion close-reasons closed-questions specific-question support faq-proposed feature-request

@MichaelT At least (s)he's not a cactus.

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Nope. Can never figure out those cacti.

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3:41 PM

Just testing...

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MichaelT, Madison, Wisconsin

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Yep. That works.

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MichaelT, Madison, Wisconsin

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discussion feature-request bug support review status-completed migration

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And that works.

Q: stackexchange.com profiles don't one box

Did you make it a link with the usual markup syntax?

Or did you use a href?

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3:45 PM

Which? Where? what?

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The one box was to meta. The one that didn't work was the non-meta stackexchange.com.

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Profiles from stackexchange.com (the 'main site' for the meta here) don't one box when posted into chat. See for example, this item from the tavern (I figured if the one box was going to work anywhere, it would work there). The meta profiles work, but not the network-esque ones, such as t...

bug chat onebox

MetaFight

4:12 PM

has anyone here tried windows 10 iot yet?

nope

@Ixrec how do you know, punk?

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@Yannis tis the season - you know you want to.

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Heh...

lol

/cc @JimmyHoffa

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4:21 PM

> Ask #WhiskySanta for Whisky Advent 2015
He will grant one wish per day from now until Christmas Eve.
Wish for things via Twitter or Facebook, or compose your own message with the hashtag #WhiskySanta.

not scotch, but...

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There's also a gin one, rum, cognac...

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Hmm... "Whiskey, Gin, Rum, Cognac, Tequila, and Rum Advent calendars"

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Apparently, there are multiple whiskey advent calendars.

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4:22 PM

@MichaelT Done!

I didn't even know I could do that.

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> The Whisky Advent Calendar - Red (2015 Edition) 72cl, 44.10% $190
The Premium Whisky Advent Calendar (2015 Edition) 72cl, 44.60% $317
The Whisky Advent Calendar (2015 Edition) 72cl, 44.10% $190
The Premium Whisky Advent Calendar - Red (2015 Edition) 72cl, 44.60% $317
The Old & Rare Whisky Advent Calendar (2015 Edition) 72cl, 47.70% ***$1269.17***

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@ThomasOwens You have the power.

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> What have we here? Just in case The Whisky Advent Calendar and Premium Whisky Advent Calendar didn't have you covered, this addition to the range is truly a thing of beauty.

24 Drinks by the Dram samples of Old & Rare whiskies to savour this December.

The Old and Rare Calendar features a 60 Year old Single Malt Whisky (one of the oldest in the world), and whisky worth over £2,000 per bottle.

@MichaelT holy hannah that's like £800

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Yea.

4:26 PM

£830

#proudofmyguessworkskills

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Consider also the The Naga Chilli Vodka Escalation Advent Calendar

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Oh Drinks by the Dram, what have you done? Having teamed up with the Hot Enough Vodka Company, the resultant advent calendar is a thing of pure festive horror. Behind every window is a 3cl dram of naga chilli vodka, except each day they get hotter, and hotter and hotter... Perhaps this is the only way any normal human can build themselves up to the 'hot enough' levels of 250,000 Scoville Naga Chilli Vodka (the drams go from 10,000 right up to 240,000 scovilles), perhaps it's utter madness. All we know is that it comes in a kick ass box.

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit While you are correct, they have a different price on there...

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Happy Coffee weekend!

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4:30 PM

@MichaelT fraudsters

brings us back to embezzlement :D

£999.95! the bastards!

oh man I was proud of finding it myself. only just spotted your screenie. ah well

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit Buy it in the US, ship overseas, make £160

minus shipping

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit you could have it sent here and I promise to send you the empty bottles.

I'm learning algorithms and was wondering: is it generally better or worse to have pointers to parent nodes in a binary search tree?

If anybody knows the answer, that would be great :)

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4:44 PM

@FizzledOut depends on what you are doing with it.

depends what you're doing with the tree

obviously, if you're doing any algorithms that require going from a child node to its parent, then you have no choice

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It also may slightly befuddle gc.

I would think any tree that has to rebalance itself probably requires parent pointers

So balanced BSTs?

traversing a tree may or may not require parent pointers depending on how its implemented

afaik the only downside to having the parent pointers is that they take up some space

I would assume that for most applications you wouldn't even notice that

4:47 PM

Alright. Thanks Ixrec and MichaelT. That's what I was looking for.

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Java's TreeMap has parent. grepcode.com/file/repository.grepcode.com/java/root/jdk/openjdk/…

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And then search for 'parent' in the code to see all the places its used.

I believe most linked list implementations are doubly-linked for the same reason: they can make many things more efficient and the only downside is a bit more space

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399                     Entry<K,V> parent = p.parent;
400                     Entry<K,V> ch = p;
401                     while (parent != null && ch == parent.right) {
402                         ch = parent;
403                         parent = parent.parent;
404                     }
405                     return parent;

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Yep... much easier rebalancing with a parent pointer.

4:49 PM

Yeah, that's why I asked. I've seen more implementations with parent pointers than without, and I'm studying an open course that assumes I'm using them for binary trees (but it doesn't even discuss not having them), which made me curious.

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(thats actually part of 'getCeilingEntry' though you get the idea)

I feel like rebalancing without parent pointers would end up involving building a duplicate search tree that did have parent pointers

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You could probably do it with recursion bits in that the state of the parent is the previous call... but that gets code that is harder to reason about.

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And, at least in Java, recursion can be a bad thing (out of stack space is too easy to get to).

/tries to figure out how "recursion bits" would work

oh, correction

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4:52 PM

return state back to parent call... let it decide to do something or not, call child if appropriate.

the downside is they take up more space and you have to set their values correctly during all the typical tree operations

but setting three pointers on each node instead of two is probably also a very tiny cost

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Yep. Additional book keeping work (and the corresponding state). But yea, another pointer compared to already having two pointers for child entry pointers... but you've also got the pointer to the value type, (and key if its actually a map)

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The Java TreeMap has K, V, L, R, P and a boolean. That P link isn't much added cost.

if those costs are a problem then you probably want some other structure like raw arrays

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@ThomasOwens btw, I was having second thoughts about the flag on programmers.stackexchange.com/q/76570 until I realized that the one 'good' answer on it is actually a massive copyright infringement that doesn't comply with the license (and may be incompatible with CC license on SE) - matthewjmiller.net/files/cc2e_checklists.pdf

5:04 PM

@MichaelT so kind

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@LightnessRacesinOrbit I wouldn't want to get in trouble with import/export restrictions. Little bottles likely wouldn't be a problem though.

of course

#smuggletrouble

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@gnat whee! responsible delete and repost of the OP on that Postgis and Mapbox question.

5:21 PM

I think gnat is the me of Programmers

gj

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o_O

I have no explanation for that either

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I'm trying to find microwave safe tea infusers / tea cups for making hot mulled apple cider.

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I'd be tempted to go with something like...

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5:31 PM

amazon.com/gp/product/B005FQ2552

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But it means messy cleaning when you're using the good apple cider.

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That's the core problem with it for cider - the suspension of the apple stuff will get in there. Maybe ok if you've got that clear apple juice. But that doesn't make good cider.

6:36 PM

@Anu: this question probably belongs to the more general Programmers site - SO is best geared towards solving actual programming problems we face in real life situations. — code4life 28 secs ago

"Is there any reason to create a linked list class from scratch" doesn't sound like a good question to me, but I'm failing to think of the concrete reason why it's bad

6:50 PM

...that new question looks extremely familiar

8:16 PM

I'm voting to close this question as off-topic because we help programmers, but doing homework for them helps no one. — Alexander O'Mara 5 secs ago

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8:40 PM

Ok, some thoughts on gender and programming over the past week (and talking with family about my niece (5.6) and nephew (4.0)...

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My nephew showed an affinity for cars at 9 months... my niece didn't (and still doesn't). She's much more into arts and crafts. She's starting to get into some aspects of lego with the "Friends" edition, but really needs a story / narrative behind it for her.

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My nephew, you give him a few blocks and he's made a rocket and is telling you the story that he's making up, or just building blocks. A very different way of thinking about things. And this isn't for lack of trying to get my niece more interested in the building type toys. She just isn't interested.

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This type of preference in toys is something that came out before entering into pre-school. And since my brother doesn't have a TV you can't really point to that being the cause... incidentally he's a big lego builder fan.

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Now that my niece is in pre-school, the socialization and stereotypical gender roles are becoming more part of her life.

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If we are going to try to get more women into STEM fields, we need to support them at 5 years old. 10 years and 15 and 20 is too late.

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8:45 PM

That said, about 1/3 of my programming (and closely related) co-workers in the public sector are women. Think about that for a bit. Compare this to the private sector and there is a much wider gap.

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There is a different culture at play. Note also once you wander over to Desktop and Server Support teams, it becomes 0. But in the programming side of the house, its 1/3.

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Now, thats something to wonder about when you compare 1/3 to 1/10th (and lower) that you see in the private sector.

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This makes me go 'hrumf' when it comes to the surveys that show the difference. Yes, there's a difference. But there is clearly something that is drawing the women coders to public sector work and pushing them away from private sector.

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and once you get out of the "it must be done yesterday" world of the private sector where rapid lookups on Stack Overflow become more useful... it becomes a different matter of who uses it.

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At Employer^^ and Employer^, Stack Overflow and other parts of Stack Exchange were a standard part of the day of a coder. Current employer its a "look something up on occasion" because you don't need it now. And that goes for the DBAs and Desktop and Server admins too.

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8:53 PM

The DBAs didn't know about DBA.SE (and still don't use it). The server admins don't care for server fault, and the desktop support don't care for Super User. Just not part of what they need or want.

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But that part is just tangential to the gender imbalance in the private sector... and how it shows up on Stack Overflow surveys.

9:10 PM

I think this belongs more to StackExchange Programmers, since this is asking more about the design rather than a problem with your code. — Empereur Aiman 29 secs ago

9:48 PM

@MichaelT This is the whole "men's and women's brains are different" thing. It's politically incorrect to say that they are, but science says there's no question that they are.

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@RobertHarvey Yep. And it shows up early.

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Digit ratio

The digit ratio is the ratio of the lengths of different digits or fingers typically measured from the midpoint of bottom crease (where the finger joins the hand) to the tip of the finger. It has been suggested by some scientists that the ratio of two digits in particular, the 2nd (index finger) and 4th (ring finger), is affected by exposure to androgens e.g. testosterone while in the uterus and that this 2D:4D ratio can be considered a crude measure for prenatal androgen exposure, with lower 2D:4D ratios pointing to higher prenatal androgen exposure. The 2D:4D ratio is calculated by dividing the...