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user15026

12:50 AM

@MichaelT Do you mean Canadian Tire money because that's the proper way to call it

user15026

@MichaelT Waaaaaaaant.

user55340

^^ See? Canadian.

user15026

What can I say, I do it well

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1:31 AM

Also now I reaaaaaalllly want a poutine

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Like a lot.

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Thank you.

user55340

@AshleyNunn Did you read that bit about Vladimir Poutine?

user15026

@MichaelT That amuses me greatly

user55340

1:56 AM

Gah... the comments in programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/252661/… - the OP just doesn't get it.

user15026

Yeah, there is definitely a disconnect there

12:55 PM

What if instead of closing/deleting bad questions we let them live in a dark version of the site? The dark site would not be indexed by google and would feature a clearly pejorative visual theme. Duplicates would also be allowed so that users can see why their question is bad, and how frequently is has been bad before. Of course, they are welcome to ask it again but they shouldn't be surprised when it gets pushed to the dark side.

This, hopefully, would help new users better understand which questions are and aren't a good fit for the regular site.

When posting a new question, the "Ask" page would list similar questions from the regular site (as it currently does) and similar questions from the dark sight, with a note saying "If you're question is already on the dark side, please reconsider asking it. It is probably not a good fit here."

provide a slum section of the site where all broken windows are stored?

pretty much.

read-only I presume

not necessarily. We'd have to see the pros and cons of allowing read/write access.

maybe only allow downvotes ;)

with write access you get a spam pit

12:59 PM

good point

it could be an archive of bad things (tm)

Introducing StackOverflow: Slum Lord Edition! Post the Worst questions, collect on your black market rep, and control your own tag, fighting off rival tags from your questions

Do you really think it would offer incentive to post bad questions?
I think we're currently kidding ourselves now thinking that the current approach offers incentive *not* to.

1:55 PM

No, I think that there may be value in it

of course currently the only way to see deleted questions is 10k tools

@Ampt and the only way to find them is to save/pass links around

user55340

@ratchetfreak Or look in the favorites of a user (public info) who keeps those around... and having 10k rep.

still not great

of course if comments are second class citizens, and chat is third, deleted questions would be somewhere around N, where N is defined as the limit as x -> 0 of 1/x

user55340

How else could I find programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/136210/… or programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/46835/…

user55340

There's a user on SO who tries to keep track of all of the 'great questions that were deleted'

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1:59 PM

67

A: Popular Deleted Stack Overflow and Programmers questions

Stack Overflow What was your first home computer Programmers' last word How can you tell if a person is a Programmer Worst UI You've Ever Used How do you clear your mind after a day of programming How do you deal with a program that's become self aware? Surprise for a programmer on B...

@random, I pulled my account on Programmers a long time ago, after they changed the original intent and there was no way to figure out what was OT. I'm hoping someone (with the 10k rep to see them) who frequents Programmers will update it; in fact, I'm hoping they create the one on Programmers, so I can stop maintaining both this one and the one on MSO. Please note that I didn't create the question, and wouldn't have done it that way. — Lance Roberts Jul 24 at 19:14

he's looking for some help @MichaelT

user55340

I believe its fundamentally misguided.

user15026

Lists like that make no sense to me.

user55340

Do you keep a special bowl of all of your fingernail clippings and dander? No? We shouldn't either.

user15026

@MichaelT This is about the best explanation of why not to keep these things that I have heard yet.

2:04 PM

but they aren't just byproducts of another process, they are little bundles of joy in their own light. That light just happens to be a black light.

user55340

@AshleyNunn It was one of the memes of Everything2 back when I was active there that the deletionist portion used to point out "that is crap, we really don't want it on the site. It doesn't fit with our mission"

user15026

@MichaelT I like it.

-2

Q: How can I explain what is software development to my grandma?

I am a Java software developer and currently I develop web based applications. Everytime I meet my grandma, she asks me about my job and about the things I do. She never used a computer, tablets or smartphones. How can I explain what software development is to a non-technical person?

one more

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@Ampt blam

Muchos Gracias

on a different note

anyone have any input on

1

Q: Should I parse XML on the server or provide a proxy and let the browser parse it?

I need to interface with a 3rd party API. With this API I make a GET request from within the end user's browser and receive an XML response. This data is to be used in a browser based application where the user can search through it, use it to make decisions, etc. The main issue is that most brow...

javascript api xml websites json

user55340

2:07 PM

Btw, did you read that how do I explain something to someone where I poke fun at managers?

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A: How do I explain ${something} to ${someone}?

Problems So many targets... The first problem with these questions is that there are so many possible audiences. How do you explain pointers to a 13 year old. How do you explain the internet to your grandfather? How do you explain testing to a manager who has pointy hair? The way you would e...

@MichaelT no?

user55340

read the second paragraph closely - notice what is struck out.

well you're not wrong

also +1 for dilbert

always +1 for dilbert

user55340

One of the things that I learned back when I was on Everything2 was that when writing for this (the online) audience, you need to make it something they want to read all the way through.

user55340

2:09 PM

Slipping in things like that can engage the reader at the start which keeps them looking for it throughout the post.

user15026

You are very good at that, I have noticed.

@AshleyNunn Freudian Slip?

user55340

On E2, I wrote an article on photographing the moon....

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Its titled "Shoot the moon"

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In 1974, 16 people died in Phnom Penh when soldiers shoot their guns in the air during a lunar eclipse to frighten off the monkey that was thought to be eating the moon...

*psst... This isn't the topic that you're supposed to write about...*

Oops... Take 2...

Shooting the moon is when you try to take all the points in a hand when the object normally is to avoid... why are you looking at me that way? Oh... photography... right... Take 3...

Photographing the Moon

The first thing that people think when they look at the moon in the sky is 'black sky, long exposure'. This is not the right t…

user15026

2:11 PM

@Ampt Probably, yes. That and my brain is running around like a very excited but distracted squirrel today.

@AshleyNunn that's a little redundant. I have yet to come across a squirrel that wasn't very excited and also very distracted

user15026

@Ampt Very true.

user55340

I did a similar thing with mass...

user41796

@MichaelT I miss the NARQ close vote.

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Mass is a fundamental property of the Catholic Church - a measurement of how much...

*psst - you were supposed to do a **physics** writeup*
Ok... Take 2...

Mass is one of the fundamental properties of matter. Mass is a measure of the amount of matter in an object or a measure of the amount of inertia it has while in motion (and the amount of force that is necessary to act upon it to change this). Unless you have been in space or diving where the effects of gravity are gone or reduced, you are familiar with the weight of something rather than its mass. The weight of an object is the force …

user15026

2:13 PM

laughs See, that is stuff I would read happily.

user55340

And then How about Marriage Encounter

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Section from The Real Life RPG

It happens to every person at some point... well most every that live long enough and haven't taken a vow of chastity for one reason or another (religious reasons, or a steel clad pair of briefs that has a lock and a lost key).

The marriage encounter does not happen to everyone - its occurrence is a function of the charisma, intelligence, personal nature, and dexterity ("did you know I can put by feet behind my neck?"), and of course, gender of the person and the desired life partner. The base chance of a marriage encounter is 1%. This should not dismay thos…

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Or for Nethackers, So you want to be a wizard

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One of the things that I liked to do there was subvert the expectations of the node title... the node title is about one thing, the text is something else that is on topic but not what was expected.

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There's apparently an album called 'casual gods'... (Solo album by Jerry Harrison of Talking Heads, from 1987) - so in the node with that title, I wrote...

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2:18 PM

> The casual gods entered the modern pantheon as people started dressing up for day to day work. As people were forced to wear pompous, starched, or constraining clothing a collective desire was born to occasionally be able to wear something that wasn't quite as stifling.
Thus, the casual gods were born. Being new in the modern pantheon of gods, the casual gods got things a bit off and created masquerade balls at during which nobility would dress up in even more pompous and constraining clothing.

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I'd like to point out that the quality of my writing grew quite a bit there... my first node was... heh... Canadian Creation Myth:

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> I heard that the common belief in The Great White North was that the earth is flat, for it is the hat of a mountie. This hat is on the back of a giant moose which itself is up in a tree.
When asked why the moose is up in a tree, the standard response is "Where else would you expect to find the moose?"

To head off any possible questions,the tree with the moose in it isn't on anything, its just tree all the way down.

The world will end when the great lumberjack chops down the tree causing a time of earthquakes and the world hat will be crushed.

user55340

... sigh and out of close votes. Its before 10am.

Better take the rest of friday off

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@Ampt don't worry... I'm very casual.

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2:25 PM

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A: Is it OK to mix American and British english?

Sure. It's called Canadian English or Australian English. Canadian spelling of the English language combines British and American conventions. French-derived words retain British spellings (colour or centre). While the United States uses the Anglo-French spelling defense or offense (...

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I see that you have accepted. Congratulations, honorary Canadian! — 200_success 10 hours ago

user41796

@MichaelT - it does seem like the onslaught of sucky questions has started early

user55340

@GlenH7 That there's still 5 in my close queue doesn't help - we still haven't been able to clean up yesterday's.

user41796

I'm at 0 on my close queue

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I'll poke at DESE later today and push our delete count well past 900. :-)

user41796

2:47 PM

I finally got off of my duff and put an answer out there instead of just voting to nuke everything. I'm proud of myself. :-)

> -1 for not nuking the question.

user41796

@Ampt It cuts into my curmudgeon status, but it also gets me a bit closer to having more delete votes... :-)

So... anyone want a badge holder?

I'm trying to get one to shove my transit card, train pass and work ID into so I can clip it to my lanyard

but they only come in 100 packs

I need exactly 1

user41796

3:03 PM

@Ampt keep looking. :-)

user41796

Or wait until you go to your first conference when you'll get one (or more!) for free

user41796

heck, I have some sitting around at home because I haven't gotten around to throwing them out yet

Considering buying a pack and trying to pawn them off to coworkers for 50 cents

user41796

oh, pro-tip. Ask the front desk security guards

user41796

They may have spares for visitor badges or similar

3:11 PM

oooh good idea

user41796

Yeah, I had forgotten that the front desk & the person who makes the badges always have oodles of associated things like that

user41796

Need a new retractor? Be on good terms with the front desk folk.

user41796

Truth be told, you should always be on good terms with the security folk anyway.

I already am

may have forgot my badge the second day

had to go see them and get a new one

they were super nice about the whole thing

user41796

at my old gig^^, I was on great terms with them. Which also meant they kept an extra eye on my car when it was in the lot.

3:13 PM

ah, mine is 74 miles away so... they probably won't do that for me

I like how job^N has become the defacto standard

user41796

I was downtown in one of the seedier but not terribly bad parts of town. Open parking lot meant lots of people walking through

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It's a convenient way of referring back to things

I would have preferred primes

Job'

job''

but, ^^ works as well

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^^ is more easily read than ''

yeah but math

3:17 PM

@Ampt Monoids are associative and have an identity element

user41796

Where's that mute button again? :-P

The identity element must satisfy the law that forall x from the set, x * the identity element is x, and the identity element is communicative

so x * i = i * x = x

and the operator must be associate which means (a * (b * c)) = ((a * b) * c)

Apr 15 at 22:59, by Jimmy Hoffa

I'm helping.

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3 mins ago, by GlenH7

Where's that mute button again? :-P

@Ampt how's commutting by (train <|> bus) ?

@JimmyHoffa train. It's okay

the commute is long, which kinda sucks

3:21 PM

@Ampt How long?

but I Can get on the internet and play games so it's not terrible

damn. I'd use my car and trim an hour off that, but when I was single I'd likely do the same as you, and it would probably be a lot less bother

how could I use my car to trim it off?

you think that you can drive faster than a train?

I presume it has stops

still faster than a car. by a lot.

74 miles into chicago

user55340

3:23 PM

Back at Job^^^, I (as an experiment) went a year without driving my car (wasn't a great thing for the car... but thats a different matter)... light rail to work, hiking pack to the grocery store. It worked.

cars have many more stops

Oh, are you working like in the city?

many more

I'm downtown downtown

@Ampt awesome

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The biggest issue I had was in the evening if I waited too long I got on to the 1h between train schedule vs the 15m between train schedule... which could suck.

3:24 PM

@JimmyHoffa one of the perks of this job is that my company is in the same building as the train station

I get off the train, take an escalator up, get in the elevator and I'm at work

How are you enjoying those lunch breaks? That's always one of my favorite things about starting new jobs, I spent every lunch hour for the first while wandering around trying different restaurants in the area - that way I learn the area around my office as well as enjoying new restaurants

@Ampt that's bloody awesome

fun. Great waffel place nearby

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Where I used to work and the stop: google.com/maps/@37.409185,-122.01164,3a,75y,9.79h,90t/…

it's like they take a sandwhich, replace the bread with a waffle and sell it

Are we talking belgian or fried chicken and waffles?

user55340

3:26 PM

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@JimmyHoffa belgian. very thin, not sweet

@Ampt oh btw, downtown chicago (which is huge so this might not be close to you) has a Snarf's sandwich shop, only place outside of Denver

best sandwiches ever.

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You have sandwiches?!

@MichaelT you need a magical sword to find 'em though

3:27 PM

shit they've expanded

there's 4 in chicago now

and some in missouri

eatsnarfs.com

theres one right near the mothership

I may have to grab some friends from the parent corp and head there sometime

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best sandwiches ever. Interestingly it's pretty common around Denver places to have giardeniera peppers where they're mostly common from Chicago

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Note, that sandwiches sort higher than the images.

@Ampt the Ny Strip is my favorite, alternatively the itallian's awesome also. Whatever you do, order the works (+ giardeniera of course!)

...I might go get Snarf's today now that I'm thinking abotu it...

3:31 PM

@JimmyHoffa I'd have to make a trip out of it. it's 1.5 miles from my work

or taxi it I suppose

@Ampt girly man, that's a 30 minute walk

@JimmyHoffa both ways means I've spent an hour walking during my hour lunch :P

@Ampt but at the end of it you're at your desk with a sandwich that knows the secret's of life, the universe, and everything

really thinking it over though I don't think it takes 30 minutes to walk 1.5 miles does it? I don't know... that seems a touch below average hrmm

ah pretty close according to the numbers

Is it an African Swallow or a European one?

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@Ampt You need to learn how to run... 1.5 miles? Thats 10 minutes if you're a good runner... didn't your girlfriend say something about a marathon? ;-)

3:36 PM

either way, figure it out sometime, you won't be disappointed if you like a sammich. Their bread is the crunchy outside soft inside kind, numms

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"Hey honey, I can do a 6 minute mile now! Lets go running!" - she'd be so proud of you.

@MichaelT let me just put on my running shoes to go get lunch :P

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Don't mention that you can only do it if you're running to a sandwich...

hahaha

I had to sprint to catch the train wednesday night

for a quarter mile

with 70 pounds of shit

@Ampt Off and on for years I've spent my lunch hour running 6-10 miles...

3:37 PM

it was not even the least bit enjoyable

nothing wrong with running over lunch

...I don't think I'd run with a bag on though....

@JimmyHoffa For your coworkers sake, I hope you have a shower at your work

@Ampt do you have those like rotating desks, different station every day?

@Ampt indeed.

@JimmyHoffa yep. we hotel

so every day all my stuff comes with me

I keep an office in my backpack

@Ampt I've heard of that, is that horrible?

3:38 PM

+ I had all my clothes for the next day

@JimmyHoffa you know, it could be worse

it's nice to come to a clean desk every day

not the carrying stuff part, that probably you get used to easy enough, but the different location daily I would think would suck (less though being a consultant)

and it definitely stressed the importance of only bringing what you need

@JimmyHoffa eh, you've used 1 cube, you've used em all

you can check out a cube for an extended period of time if you want

@Ampt do you not work with others around you at all though?

@JimmyHoffa at the moment? No

I'm on the bench

do you even interact with the same people from one day to the next?

3:39 PM

oh yeah

totally

I know where everyone from my class is

user55340

@JimmyHoffa ever read snow crash?

@Ampt even though they move every day?

@MichaelT great book

@MichaelT I'm illiterate

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@Ampt remember the part where YT's mom goes to work?

3:40 PM

@JimmyHoffa yep. most of the time they try and get the same cubes

sometimes they move.

@Ampt oh so you can stay in the same area, just a first come first serve?

@JimmyHoffa yep. theres a reservation system that we figured out no one uses or follows

wrong book

that was Diamond Age

Yep. YT is an only child.

I read 4 books, Diamond age and Snow Crash as a part of a course. they kind of all have the same theme, so they all flowed together reading them in 10 weeks

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(Chapter 37)

3:42 PM

I can imagine. Did not read Diamond age.

aaahh yes

Her mother is higher up

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> And there's the question of interchangeability. Fed workers, like military people, are intended to be interchangeable parts. What happens if your workstation should break down? You're going to sit there and twiddle your thumbs until it gets fixed? No siree, you're going to move to a spare workstation and get to work on that. And you don't have that flexibility if you've got half a ton of personal stuff cached inside of a desk, strewn around a desktop.

So there is no paper in a Fed office. All the workstations are the same. You come in in the morning, pick one at random, sit down, and get…

I should re-read that one

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There we go... the full proper set.

@Oded it's another good one

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3:46 PM

(and then there's the email about not using $1B US currency as toilet paper...)

@MichaelT I need to still read that book about the internet lobsters...

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@JimmyHoffa antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/accelerando/…

I'm currently mid- hunger games trilogy but I'll spool up some of the scifi after that

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spoilers

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Thats what you get when you do a certain search for a certain word in the book... its not a one time thing.

3:51 PM

spoilers for which book

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@Ampt the one I linked in the message before.

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Chrome shows where a certain word is in the scroll bar when you search for it.

ah yes

Everytime I've ever tried reading any popular books I can't stand them... Something about the narrative voice that most people like seems too fake to me, so the only fiction I can read is poorly written amateurish stuff

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>
It's night in Amsterdam, morning in Silicon Valley. Today, fifty thousand human babies are being born around the world. Meanwhile automated factories in Indonesia and Mexico have produced another quarter of a million motherboards with processors rated at more than ten petaflops – about an order of magnitude below the lower bound on the computational capacity of a human brain. Another fourteen months and the larger part of the cumulative conscious processing power of the human species will be arriving in silicon. And the first meat the new AIs get to know will be the uploaded lobsters.

3:53 PM

@JimmyHoffa ugh don't get me started. HG has such a terrible style of narration

but the events and characters are great

@Ampt HG?

Hunger Games

Oh

Yeah, I just get that from every popular book I ever look at

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@Ampt That was written by a rather young author IIRC.

So I don't even bother

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3:53 PM

Nope... 51... thinking of something else.

@MichaelT don't judge me. I was on vacation and ran out of Hitchhikers Guide

that was all that was left unread

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Divergent (novel)

Divergent is the debut novel of American novelist Veronica Roth, published by HarperCollins Children's Books in 2011. It is a young-adult dystopian novel set in the so-called Divergent Universe, that features a post-apocalyptic version of Chicago. The novel follows Beatrice "Tris" Prior as she explores her identity within a society that defines its citizens by their social and personality-related affiliation with five different factions. Underlying the action and dystopian focused main plot is a romantic subplot between Tris and one of her trainers in the Dauntless faction, nicknamed Four. The...

hey... I have snow crash on here

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Veronica Roth (born August 19, 1988) is an American novelist and short story writer known for her debut New York Times bestselling Divergent trilogy, consisting of Divergent, Insurgent, and Allegiant; and Four: A Divergent Collection. Divergent was the recipient of the Goodreads Favorite Book of 2011 and the 2012 winner for Best Young Adult Fantasy & Science Fiction. == Personal life == Roth was born in New York City on August 19, 1988 and was raised primarily in Barrington, Illinois. Her mother, Barbara Ross, is a painter who resides in Barrington. She is the youngest of three children. ...

Never read that one

got suckered into watching the movie with the GF

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3:55 PM

I've not read (or watched) either...

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One comment that I've read is an emerging market of the 'young female heroine in a dystopian world designed for the young adult audience'

People read on vacation?

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4:12 PM

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A new mouseover element I didn't know about - tells you how close you are to tag badges.

user15026

4:39 PM

@MichaelT I am so tired of these, everyone is trying to be the next Hunger Games and even that wasn't that amazing of a book.

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@AshleyNunn I'm kind of out of the target audience... so... and that whole thing about going to a movie theater... yea.

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@MichaelT Yeah, I haven't bothered to watch most of the movies. I have read HG and most of the Divergent books and others along the same line but aaaaa

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At least you didn't read Twilight... right? ... right?

user15026

@MichaelT I did because I have a rule that I can't mock anything I've not read. So I also ended up reading all of 50 Shades for that reason.

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You don't need to read it to mock it... you just need to go to Forks.

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4:46 PM

(I've been there twice... the Olympic national forest is beautiful for photography... and I really like Second Beach... and I can't blame the locals for cashing in on the books... but ghads... the fans there?!)

user15026

@MichaelT Oh I bet it is beautiful, but I can also see the fan-people driving people crazy

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@AshleyNunn Forks is a mostly unemployed town that had a significant logging presence. After that was reduced, its a tourist town (coastalish), but thats not that much. Go out to La Push, and you've got a costal indian reservation thats also tourist based. Twilight brought in lots of tourism for the area.

user15026

Ah, yeah, I can see how it would. Which is great for the town, I am sure.

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> The median income for a household in the city was $34,280, and the median income for a family was $38,844. Males had a median income of $35,718 versus $23,690 for females. The per capita income for the city was $13,686. About 14.6% of families and 20.5% of the population were below the poverty line, including 25.7% of those under age 18 and 12.4% of those age 65 or over.

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> In the city, the age distribution of the population shows 30.4% under the age of 18, 11.1% from 18 to 24, 27.2% from 25 to 44, 22.1% from 45 to 64, and 9.1% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 31 years. For every 100 females there were 111.7 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 108.9 males.

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4:57 PM

That "30% under 18" is a "people move away when they get a chance"

user15026

Huh. Fascinating. (although man I make less than all of those numbers. Need to keep looking for a better job.)

user15026

@MichaelT Yeah, I figured it wasn't really one of those places where people really stuck around if they could find a way out

user41796

5:29 PM

Does anyone know if deleted questions count in the serial down voting detection algorithm?

@Ampt how was it? Looks not terrible from trailer but can't tell if it's a teenage angst drama or something more

user15026

@JimmyHoffa If it is like the book, it likely has some teenage angst drama in it because that's like the whole point of the YA genre but the book wasn't super full of it, I just got bored

5:58 PM

@AshleyNunn I read like 2 pages. Couldn't do it. She doesn't have the writing skills to do an interoffice memo, let alone a novel. (Note: I followed your rule and am just mocking the hell out of the first 2 pages).

user15026

@psr hahahahaha fair enough

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I've read a lot of terrible literature in the name of curiosity

6:14 PM

@AshleyNunn Hunger Games? I enjoyed it

OR you mean divergent?

Honestly.... I kind of enjoyed it

the whole "I'm different because I'm different" Shpeel wears off pretty quick

but I would guess you wouldn't like it

@AshleyNunn wait a minute. They don't pay the mods?!

@Ampt I meant the divergent movie, looks like fun actiony movie

@JimmyHoffa the action sequences were pretty good

all of those comments were about divergent

user15026

@Ampt I liked HG

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I've not seen Divergent's movie yet but I wasn't a super fan of the books.

@AshleyNunn I'm a fan of Fe myself, good for your teeth, makes strong boats, carries oxygen for you, can't go wrong

user55340

6:20 PM

Heh... Sam correcting 'buttload' in a post: programmers.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/73623

user15026

@JimmyHoffa facedesk

@AshleyNunn good point, it does occasionally hospitalize children and I'm no fan of manacles... you make a good counter-argument. I'll have to table this and come back to it after some thought.

user41796

@AshleyNunn Sometimes, I find it best to leave that Jimmy character on mute. The char room remains much more pleasant that way. :-)

user15026

@JimmyHoffa I am curious to see what you come up with. :)

@AshleyNunn glad I didn't make a "you should see GIT, the movie" joke ;)

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6:34 PM

@Oded I consider myself lucky :P

:~P

user55340

@Oded I hear its rated R because they didn't clean up Linus's script...

lol

Funny, were just making git jokes about how we should roll-back to the lunch changeset

user55340

@JMD: Yeah, I only had to ask "What the hell does 'sth' mean?" once. — Robert Harvey 16 mins ago

user55340

6:40 PM

@RobertHarvey in the Perl / DBI world, $sth is typically STatement Handle.

> The Java(TM) cannot be downloaded to your machine. You are located in an embargoed country.

Apparently, that's the message people in Russia trying to download Java see...

STH means something?

since when?

Is that where that comes from? I just assumed it was people with old cell phones that couldn't be bothered typing the whole word out.

@YannisRizos wait.. russia is embargoed?

since when?!

user55340

Well, thats where my reading of it is... got it from the DBI documentation: metacpan.org/pod/DBI

user41796

6:42 PM

@YannisRizos ?! Russia hasn't been on the T8 | T7 list for eons....

@Ampt US & EU sanctions over Ukraine.

user55340

$dbh = DBI->connect($data_source, $username, $auth, \%attr);
$sth = $dbh->prepare($statement);
$sth = $dbh->prepare_cached($statement);
$rv = $sth->execute;

user55340

@YannisRizos Thats gonna kind of suck for the devs there... but its got strong encryption as part of its library so is classified as a munition.

user55340

Java = tanks

user55340

I'm fairly sure that this would also hit a bit of Microsoft things too...

user41796

6:44 PM

@RobertHarvey Thankfully smartphones can autocorrect that crap

user15026

I know Russia was just like "hey we are not accepting imports of most food stuff from NA and most of EU"...is this related?

user55340

(aside: Jetbrains is a mostly Russian/German company)

@AshleyNunn Yes, its their answer to the sanctions for Ukraine.

user41796

Oh hey, and T8 is now down to T4. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Sponsors_of_Terrorism

user15026

@YannisRizos Ah, cool. When it comes to stuff like this I am a mushroom sometimes (keep in the dark, etc) but I am trying to be more aware of things.

user55340

6:47 PM

Time to go ask a politics.SE question "does preventing Russia from downloading Java actually accomplish anything?" ;-)

Yes, a rise in Russian code quality.

user55340

@YannisRizos By forcing them to write php or c++?

btw, that wouldn't be a bad Politics question. It might even be a very good one, if properly framed.

user55340

Btw, curious bit over at Academaia about developer going back to school for a masters in CS:

user55340

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Q: What makes a MSc in Computer Science difficult for someone who has no specific background but 10 years of experience as a programmer?

I enrolled at my current MSc in computer science program last year having never completed a single computer science course in college. I decided to apply because 10 years after college I had a fairly successful career as a front-end web developer and figured it would be great to have a degree so ...

user55340

6:54 PM

Not a 'drama thing' more of a 'hmm... keep this in mind for linking the should I go back to school questions' we get.

Isn't that question kinda specific, though?

user55340

Yep, which is why it can get answered there... though I do recall we have a fair number of those questions here (though they may have gotten removed when someone tries figuring out what a monad is and goes on a delete vote rampage)

My new hobby: hanging out in the Android tab and closing questions as soon as they arrive. Like shooting fish in a barrel.

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