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12:48 AM

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Q: ($) is to (.) as `fmap` is to?

I have a function funcM :: a -> b -> c -> IO (x, y) I want to write a function funcM_ :: a-> b-> c-> IO x so: funcM_ = fst `fmap` funcM -- error I could add back all the points, but it seems like there should be something I could replace fmap with so that the above will work. Kind of like re...

haskell functor

1:47 AM

@RobertHarvey Yes I like Haskell, No I'm not actually any good at it. Jon Purdy gave the solution quite directly and better than I would have; though I the question in the title is kind of cooler than the question written

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10:06 AM

Does anyone know of licensing website that explains license in-depth. and gives example of good and bad usage of licensing. What you can and can't do with that particular licensing. Examples of licensing breach. etc.. etc... Am not an native English speaker. So, a lot of these website am on, I can't really understand them completely. Cause they give an short an one paragraphed explanation. It explains little, and leaves me with more questions.

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2:19 PM

@blade19899 Have you looked at some of the licensing related questions on this site?

if you have a specific question that you can't find already asked here then you can always ask on the main site

Questions about software licenses are on-topic as long as they are not "LEGAL" questions

I hate my job

Me and one other developer did a project on the side so something would actually get done amidst the chaos and dysfunction

@maple_shaft, thanks and will do. And, most people hate their job to. You are not alone on this!

One of the do nothing analysts discovered it and presented it to the VP as his idea and POC, even though he talked about it with us for 15 minutes over a year ago

now there are 20 people attaching their name to this project who will do nothing but take credit for our hard work

I am so angry that I am considering sabotaging the whole thing

I am just going to stop working on it

No! Then you will be considered as the bad guy!

i dont care

2:31 PM

Or, you can make it even better?

I would rather fail than let them steal credit

This kinda things happen. Your mad I get it.

First thing to do: Take a nice long walk, to clear your head.

I would but it is -9F outside :)

After some cooling off: try to think of what you wanna do next!

... Don't go for a walk!

lol

2:32 PM

Do something to clear your head

XD

I wrote an angry email to the VP... I didn't click Send yet... it would be so easy to just click my mouse and do it...

fear is holding me back

... You could get into a whole lot of trouble. It would feel good for a sec

I am going to walk around the building and cool off

Good idea!

@maple_shaft Do the people attaching their name to it know you did most of the work?

2:35 PM

@JimmyHoffa I am sure they do

Perfect! Let them! They'll feel they owe you (sort of) and if they're the same folks you wish would get off their asses, maybe when they get credit for what happened when somebody got off his ass, they'll be motivated to get off theirs a bit

If nothing else they'll appreciate having you around that much more

Wait, are they non-engineers putting their names on it?

If this is business assholes grabbing credit for nothing then going to disappear back into their businessy-bullshittery hole I would fucking slash a tire.

they are comprised of analysts that don't know how to gather or write requirements, PM's that have no project plan, architects that are better at kissing ass than coding, and CSM's that jump into everything

The only two people that did ANYTHING on this project were me and one other developer, concept, requirements, design, implementation, testing, everything

If you were talking SE's I'd say GREAT but in that case... FUCK THEM. Find out where they live. Few messages are clearer than coming home to find something burning in front of your house.

well... one of the analysts did some neat graphics for us, but the rest of them are freeloaders

yeah that's a total crock.

2:39 PM

my boss told me to deal with it... it cant be helped

Send the email. Try and be tactful and clear in it. Be certain what you want it to communicate, and put it in a way that makes clear the results of what's going on.

I shouldnt

But, don't write it when your angry.

@maple_shaft no, you shouldn't. :)

But saying "ASSAULT ASSAULT CHAARGE!!" is a nice vicarious feeling for me because I have fucking hated so many of those same types of assholes.

It's not worth the risk though unfortunately

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2:41 PM

Like I said before, stop investing yourself there :P Start doing what everyone else does there, get the check, plod along, attach your name to other peoples shit, and invest yourself outside of work.

True, these kinda people will fall flat on there asses sooner or latter

The VP sent out this email saying she wanted to have a sit down with every one of us sometime this year to get our thoughts

heh

@blade19899 no they won't, that's the sad part.

No?

if she asks me then I will tell her... i am not going to give my opinion unsolicited though

2:42 PM

@maple_shaft be there, and try to stay as mum as possible for a while allowing the VP to get a can of bullshit before you step in and correct everyone.

thats really ssad

Nice plan!

@blade19899 I want to believe there is a justice in this world but I can't. The world has proven to me that there is no such thing as justice

@blade19899 Not all of the world is as progressive as some parts. Places where everyone is all about keeping their job and not growing, they join together in fits of not-improving and help protect eachother from the minority who are trying to do a good job.

@maple_shaft Yeah, I was terribly depressed when I lived in Pittsburgh too. Like really depressed, it was honestly bad for my marriage.

How I always saw it, justice exist. But, is rarely seen.

Just remember, it's not like that everywhere, there are tons of places where people are decent

Far more egalitarian than that one

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2:46 PM

cv-plz

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Q: I might be starting to do Arduino development and I would like some advice

So, today I looked at Arduino; seems very interesting. I still don't want to shell out the money just yet, as I have some questions, namely: Should I learn something about electronics? What and with what resources? What stuff should I buy? I have a limited, but not that small budget (probably u...

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@GlenH7 Don't know much about Arduino but I bought a Raspberry Pi a couple hours ago

Can't wait for it to come in

There ya go, invest your efforts there

I am still not sure what I want to do with it yet... any ideas of some easy and utilitarian projects?

I have a beginners level knowledge of electronics

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@maple_shaft I wanted to create a multi-sensor system that would trigger a fan. Exciting, I know! But I had a theory that the air temp within a fridge was varying widely. So I wanted to throw thermistors in the corners and then have a relay trigger a fan when the delta got to be too much

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2:50 PM

That, of course, was the precursor for the fan that would work on the brick oven I wanted to build. :-)

Get erlang on it and you can do the same on your desktop and then you have a high level language with SUPER easy network communication baked into the language for making it responsive on the network

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I had also considered using similar logic to track temperatures across the house. I have an older home so it can be drafty still despite my attempts to seal it up. I thought keeping track of temps would help me identify where to focus my efforts.

@GlenH7 NEAT!!!

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@maple_shaft It's basically a fully fledged Linux box in terms of programming environment.

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If you wanted to go all SCADA and aren't afraid of your mains, I had considered setting up a mini DNP/IP system to feed into some open source historian + SCADA system

2:53 PM

Has anybody tried Litecoin mining on one yet? They said the GPU is equivalent to an Xbox

it is OpenGL too so theoretically it should work

Then you can program some services for it to run in response to network requests as well as learning a new language that's very fun and does concurrency in a really cool way

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not sure. AFAIK, coin mining has gone the way of dedicated processors

@GlenH7 Only Bitcoin... there are no ASIC miners yet for any of the Alt coins AFAIK

there is still money to be made in GPU mining for Alt coins

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@maple_shaft So there's no money in the other mining systems then... :-)

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another idea would be to turn it into a baby monitor that detects when the baby is restless and plays some sort of soothing thing as well as being able to alert you to any problems

2:55 PM

Erlang would be awesome for that purpose @GlenH7

@FrostEngineer Your a god damn genius

That is awesome

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You could also rig together your own security system too. Most security systems rely upon a pair of magnets to indicate open / closed.

magnetically sensitive switch on the door?

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Put a little motor on the window, and then you can have the window open or close based upon ambient temperature and how your littl'un is sleeping

2:57 PM

@GlenH7 A servo motor to open a window would need some heavy torque

probably could take the starter off my tractor, hook it to a 12 volt battery and have a relay kick it on to open or close

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@maple_shaft Depends upon the window. I have seen some that are easy enough to open, but I won't quibble that it just wouldn't work with some windows.

hmmm a tractor starter would be too extreme

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And yes to the magnetic switch on the door. I don't recall the circuitry offhand, but it's fairly trivial. If nothing else, the magnet is on one side and a coil on the other side. Magnet near coil triggers current

@GlenH7 I love that idea btw... i could email an alert when my door opens

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@maple_shaft remember that "too" is a subjective term....

3:00 PM

Microphone would be the simplest sensor to get and start with as there's tons of code and drivers for them already, good sensor to start monitoring the kid with

Add more after that

From what I understand the Raspberian distro has a bunch of Python libraries already prebundled to the GPIO

So far the winners are door open alert sensor and baby microphone sound soother... a soft white noise or a "SHHHHHUSSSSHHHHHH" sound would work

Yeah but still microphones would surely have more - just thinking about the Q on P.SE where guy used bash and already made apps to react to microphone

bash as in bash scripts?

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I'd vote for soft white noise. It's amazing how a little background noise softens everything else and allows the kid to sleep through things

My kids 4 and we still have a fan run in his room when he sleeps for white noise, makes a huge difference

3:05 PM

Well thanks guys... you gave me some things to think about

i g2g

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I always end up with more projects to do than I have time to complete them with

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@maple_shaft Only? Put a '1' in front of that '9' here...

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@MichaelT yeah, it's been cold lately.... <sigh>

4:00 PM

Wow. I just came across an answer referencing the SEMAT kernel. I thought I'd be the first one to reference that on Programmers.

4:28 PM

@ThomasOwens ...and with that reference, to the google with me

Mmmm cold. Still have classes though... thanks for that one school....

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@Ampt Could always move down to Antarctica... its warmer there.

@MichaelT I was thinking california... apparently it's upper 20's

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@Ampt which part of Cali?

The warm part.

lol I'm not sure. just heard it in passing

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4:33 PM

Ahh... the part that combusts into fire every summer.

that's where my winter home would be

summer home would be in wisconsin. perfect

@Ampt Upper 20s? Whoa, they have got to be absolutely freaking out lol

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@JimmyHoffa There are parts that are that cold...

@MichaelT Sure, they have mountains, even a ski slope, and the northern areas are more oregonian style climate

I know California is huge and has everything

But when you talk about Californians that's like talking about a "Coloradon" you actually mean people from a particular area in the state.

Nobody talks about a Coloradon and means someone in Montrose

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4:37 PM

Feeling a little under the weather and need some lunch... where to go, where to go

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Get a brat. Put some spicy mustard on it.

@Ampt This weather's mighty low, getting under it would require a limbo mastery

@Ampt Truth; this kind of weather + not feeling so well: Vietnamese Noodle Soup++

In fact I could go for some Pho today...

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Jan 2 at 14:26, by Yannis Rizos

I do have suggestions. They always involve alcohol, and are rarely helpful.

@MichaelT man, if anyone downtown actually knew how to make a good brat I'd be all over that

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Yannis's advice is always helpful.

4:40 PM

Alcohol solves any problem!

True, a hot toddy might do you some good right now.
Make a cup of black tea, add lemon juice, significant amount of honey, one shot brandy or whiskey (either works honestly, but then I really like whiskey so maybe that's just me)

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I'd go brandy...

Yeah it is better with the brandy, but I've done it with whiskey because I'm more likely to have that, and it works just fine too.

Key is ++honey

light on the lemon juice, not as much as you would do in a normal cup of tea

the honey balances the alcohol bite

Too much lemon juice will bring it out though

I'd say half-shot lemon juice, half-3/4 shot honey, or if you have simple syrup/cane syrup that works great to

Alternatively, go here for lunch: phovietmilwaukee.com

nice big bowl of soup filled with beef and noodles and deliciousness (unless they're a terrible restaurant...)

Should be good, they have the traditional meats options, usually a good indicator

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4:57 PM

In all fairness, re: Antarctica, it's the middle of summer there.

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@FrostEngineer Also McMurdo is on the water. The water buffers the temperature. If it drops below 32F (0C), the water which is at 32F will release heat.

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Similar things with San Francisco (why it can't get too hot or cold there)

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On the other hand, the midwest is in a continental climate area.

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Continental climate

Continental climate is a climate characterized by important annual variation in temperature due to the lack of significant bodies of water nearby. Often winter temperature is cold enough to support a fixed period of snow each year, and relatively moderate precipitation occurring mostly in summer, although there are exceptions such as the upper east coast areas of North America in Canada which show an even distribution of precipitation: this pattern is called Humid continental climate, but dry continental climates also exist. Regions with a continental climate exist in portions of the Nor...

I've always been more than a little bit miffed that there's an antactica, but no arctica. I was mad about it as a kid, and not much less bothered by it now. Perhaps that just speaks to how much I've grown since then though...

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5:04 PM

Trivia - Antares (the star... its red) is from Greek. See that there? That's Mars (Ares). See that over there? That's Not Mars (Antares).

@MichaelT That's pretty funny, always neat when you find those little tidbits in language that tell a story

like the days of the week in french? Lundi (moon day), Mardi (Mars day), Mercredi (Mercury day), Jeudi (Jupiter day?), Vendredi (Venus day?), Samedi (uh Saturn/Saturday?), Dimanche(Sunday...so I guess the sun)

and of course my favorite Plutardi

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@MetaFight The norse mythos are neat there...

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Mardi (Mars) is the god of war, as is Tyr in norse mythos. Mercury was the god of travelers... as was Odin (Woden). Jupiter was the god of lighting, as was Thor. Venus was a fertility goddess as was Frig.

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(I think I've got all those matched up)

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5:13 PM

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@MichaelT neat stuff!

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Names of the days of the week

The days of the week have been named after the seven planets of classical astronomy, since the Roman period. They are also numbered, beginning at Sunday, Monday or Saturday depending on the society and tradition. Days named after planets Greco-Roman tradition The earliest attestation of a seven-day week associated with heavenly luminaries is in the title of a lost work by Plutarch (46-120AD) titled Why are the days named after the planets reckoned in a different order from the actual order? Between the 1st and 3rd centuries the Roman Empire gradually replaced the eight-day Roman nu...

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(look at the germanic tradition)

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5:30 PM

@MetaFight if you haven't, you should read American Gods.

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amazon.com/American-Gods-Neil-Gaiman/dp/0380789035

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(@Ampt there's some fun bits about Wisconsin in there... and living now near the North Woods, I can certainly see some of what he talks about)

Two of my friends told me to read that book.

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@ThomasOwens Its a very good book.... but I bet you haven't touched Accelerando yet either.

@MichaelT I read another of Neil Gaiman's books, Good Omens, and then a few people told me I should get this one.

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5:43 PM

Neil is from England... and there are magical things everywhere. Fairy circles, oracles, etc...

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America is a bad land for gods... we don't have the same magic as the old world.

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When Neil moved to the US, one of the places he went to was Spring Green, WI... and the House on the Rock... and realized what was "magical" here.

@MichaelT Unstoppably profiteering hedge fund investors?

Ok, it's actually not that cold where I live.

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@JimmyHoffa Where in Europe, when someone found "magic", they'd set up a church or shrine or something.

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In the US, they would be compelled to... make the world's largest ball of string or some other road side oddity...

5:47 PM

@MichaelT "Look at this amazing place! I bet it would look great with a 90' neon cowboy waving his hand at you!!"

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@JimmyHoffa Yep.

@maple_shaft Don't you have source control commits proving you've been working on this for a long time?

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And there are places where some of the old world holds on...

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Conserving what little bits of power that it is still able to cling to.

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Its a good book though.

5:49 PM

I actually used to drive past a 90' neon cowboy waving his hand everytime I drove from KC to chicago and back, which I did probably 4 or 5 times

That's a trek right through the heart of america right there...

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When my brother, a friend of his, and I did our Chicago to California trip, we took route 66 (I didn't want to do I-80 because of the potential for spring weather through Tahoe and the Rockies).

@MichaelT thanks for the book suggestion. I've added it to the queue.

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Read Accelerando too... if nothing else, for the uploaded lobster AI.

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antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/accelerando/…

6:11 PM

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A: Phenotropic Program Design

Lanier has invented a 50 cent word in an attempt to cast a net around a specific set of ideas that describe a computational model for creating computer programs having certain identifiable characteristics. The word means: A mechanism for component interaction that uses pattern recognition ...

Getting lots of close votes, because people don't understand the question. If it closes, I'm voting to reopen.

Are you stupid? Phenotropic, that's worth at least a buck!

lol

@RobertHarvey Definitely an "I'd close-vote it as unclear but the answer saved it" situation.

I have no idea what he's talking about there, but your answer gives a sound concept "How would you design an X program?" -> Well, too broad or unclear, alternatively "With the Y architecture" which is what you gave and the backing explanation gives cause to believe it would be the common approach

I was hoping he was asking about phenotypic program design. As in, designing an application by specifying its traits instead of by building its genetic information.

but no.

That doesn't seem to be what the word means. It's basically Lanier's word.

6:23 PM

@RobertHarvey have you experience with NNs? I've always been curious, but the whole machine-learning stuff is something I've never gotten my head around realistically...

Too much industry bullocks in my domecap

@JimmyHoffa Not conventional ANN's. They're too tied to biology. ALNs are very... well, logical, and piecewise fitting to a curve is very easy to understand, if not always easily visualized from a logic gates perspective.

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@RobertHarvey I've retracted mine... your answer makes it a bit more clear...

@JimmyHoffa Just as any artifact in the real world can be digitized into an arbitrary number of bits, any input/output relationship can be broken down into a series of logic gates.

@RobertHarvey Sure, that sort of makes sense, it's the whole naturally-adjusts part that's new to me.

@JimmyHoffa There's a pruning process that takes place. Logic gate arrays can be simplified through boolean algebra.

So the original array balloons in size as the number of linear pieces increases, but the pruning process keeps the overall size in check.

6:34 PM

Yeah... it's all just so strange to me because in industry we never do anything even remotely similar to this stuff

It sounds cool though. The pruning process is like your fitness test kind of thing?

(at least not the industry space I've always lived in; enterprisey LOB stuff)

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(I'm gonna have to read this one - steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2007/12/codes-worst-enemy.html )

@JimmyHoffa No, the pruning process is simply an algebraic transform. It is a form of Substitution.

The fitness test comes earlier.

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(AB) + (Ab) ---> A

Pretty much.

@MichaelT I 100% agree with him on this point and it is as he says maddening because nobody else anywhere even thinks it's tangentially related to a problem.

> I say my opinion is hard-won because people don't really talk much about code base size; it's not widely recognized as a problem. In fact it's widely recognized as a non-problem. This means that anyone sharing my minority opinion is considered a borderline lunatic, since what rational person would rant against a non-problem?

6:43 PM

I didn't make it clear in my answer, but ALN's are very noise-tolerant; they can identify valid signals in a noisy environment. That's one of the things that makes them very useful.

@JimmyHoffa Ah, my current project is like this. It's become large enough where I spend a significant amount of time understanding and remembering the existing code rather than writing new code.

@RobertHarvey This is so common... This is why I am so staunch about BOUNDARIES-BORDERS-SEGREGATION code should be as modular as possible because modules are small and easily throw the fuck away later, monoliths are huge and there is no path to smallenizing them because they're too damned interwoven that grow is the only thing they can do

the more modular your system -- not just code but the entire damned thing -- the more you can cope over time by just refactoring/replacing overgrown modules into smaller ones

also why I love FP and I disagree everytime someone says "LOC doesn't matter, it's elegance that matters!" -- bull. Too much LOC and elegance no longer matters, it'll still be unmaintainable.

@JimmyHoffa I've about decided that any new project that I undertake here will be broken down until it can be accomplished with libraries written in six month increments.

and separately V&V'd.

My current project could actually be broken out into three distinct projects, all of which a full-blown projects in their own right.

oh geez... V&V, there's a term I haven't heard since I left an ISO9001 company..

Yep. We get recertified every two years or so.

It's kinda interesting to see what happens when you take a manufacturing methodology, and apply it to software development.

@RobertHarvey Lean much?

As much as I love working with our CI and Product/Process Quality people, they all come from a manufacturing background. Things like Lean and Six Sigma are different in software. Same general concepts, radical different implementation.

6:53 PM

@ThomasOwens Our software development process is actually a streamlined, stripped-down version of ISO9001. We do pay lip service to it, though.

And the safety mechanisms are good.

We're AS9100, which is the aerospace version of ISO9001.

Nobody seems to like the V&V part of the process, though. Can't imagine why.

Huh. Looking at the major players in the creation of AS9100 mentioned on Wikipedia, my company owns three of them and works closely with 3 others.

That explains a few things.

Like why I've never heard of it.

"The standard is based in ISO 9000, with 27 additional requirements unique to the aerospace industry."

OK. Time to run off to a meeting.

6:57 PM

I am glad for my time with ISO9001 learning a variety of things from a different perspective; the concept of V&V is in and of itself very different than how software company's almost always approach QA

7:16 PM

One thing I forgot to mention: because an ALN is constructed from logic gates, you can burn it into an FPGA and have a fast, purely hardware solution.

7:40 PM

@RobertHarvey And who doesn't love a good fixed function pipeline

Man, My company does CI stuff and everyone participates and they gameified it

and now it's just ridiculous with the cut-throat nature of the whole thing

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CI stuff?

I honestly feel like we've gone way off track with the point of improving the actual process and now it's all about points and turning in projects at just the right time

Continuous Improvement

@Ampt People have started cutting eachother's network cables?

@Ampt that's the wrong acronym

you mean CMMI-like

CI is continuous integration

@JimmyHoffa Yeah, so they can get points for fixing the broken cable

7:43 PM

(automated build/test/deployment processes)

We call it CI, so :P

well the entire industry has another definition for that, so if you use it that way anywhere else or somebody asks you about CI in an interview and you assume they mean that, you'll look silly :P

we are more than just software :P we have a whole division of MEs, Welders, and electrical fabrication

as well as machinists, etc

so it's not just our industry :P

Capability Maturity Model Integration

Capability Maturity Model Integration (CMMI) is a process improvement training and appraisal program and service administered and marketed by Carnegie Mellon University and required by many DOD and U.S. Government contracts, especially software development. Carnegie Mellon University claims CMMI can be used to guide process improvement across a project, division, or an entire organization. Under the CMMI methodology, processes are rated according to their maturity levels, which are defined as: Initial, Repeatable, Defined, Quantitatively Managed, Optimizing. Currently supported is CMM...

That's usually what the software industry thinks of when they think about continuous improvement

Continual improvement process

A continual improvement process, also often called a continuous improvement process (abbreviated as CIP or CI), is an ongoing effort to improve products, services, or processes. These efforts can seek "incremental" improvement over time or "breakthrough" improvement all at once. Delivery (customer valued) processes are constantly evaluated and improved in the light of their efficiency, effectiveness and flexibility. Some see CIPs as a meta-process for most management systems (such as business process management, quality management, project management, and program management). W. Edwards ...

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7:44 PM

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but I get ya, CI may mean that stuff in other industries

@FrostEngineer YOU LIVE IN GEORGIA.

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I made that, you may steal.

> A continual improvement process, also often called a continuous improvement process (abbreviated as CIP or CI), is an ongoing effort to improve products, services, or processes.

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It was 6 degrees this morning

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7:45 PM

Pansy.

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@RobertHarvey Californian by birth

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this is literally the coldest I've ever been

@FrostEngineer Ok, that's pretty funny.

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I've done the teens a few times

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Related:

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7:46 PM

-18 with windchill here

otherwise it's -1

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@FrostEngineer How cold is cold?

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@FrostEngineer How many is that in Canadian?

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@AshleyNunn -12ish

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I think

7:48 PM

@AshleyNunn -18F = -27.7778C

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it is -20C here, feels like -34C. but I am used to cold.

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@FrostEngineer that's cold for you guys!

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yeah

@AshleyNunn If you're canadian you're not used to cold; Cold is used to you.

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it's record breakingly cold

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7:49 PM

@JimmyHoffa hahaha, fair enough

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@FrostEngineer τ > π

@AshleyNunn to be fair, @Ampt lives in southern canada.

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Also! You kind and wonderful people! If I have a potential face-to-face tech writer interview and they told me offhand in the phone interview that they will want a writing sample....what the crap should I prepare?

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@JimmyHoffa I live in SW Ontario, so it's not as bad as some places...

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An essay that you wrote?

7:50 PM

@FrostEngineer on the otherhand shouldn't be subjected to -12c degree weather living in georgia

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@JimmyHoffa Yeah, no, that's messed up

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It's not that bad outside me lacking proper clothes for it

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I don't even own gloves

@AshleyNunn Tech Writer? God bless your soul. You make people like me possible.

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@MichaelT I was thinking of using an essay I wrote in the last term of school, think that would work?

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7:51 PM

@Ampt grins Hey, someone's gotta

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@AshleyNunn easy way to think of the F degree scale - its based on what is reasonable for a human to live in. 0 is coldest day of winter. 100 is hottest day of summer. Or there about (not a boot).

Nothing but respect for people that can do that.

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@Ampt I like translating you guys to normal people :P

@MichaelT this is a damn good approximation.

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@MichaelT ah, okay, that makes sense.

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7:52 PM

@Ampt Thats what the story of how the values were calibrated as.

@AshleyNunn it's more all the manuals and documentation and all those other mystical but important documentations

user55340

> On Fahrenheit's original scale the lower defining point was the lowest temperature which he could reproducibly obtain using brine (defining zero degrees), while the highest was the best estimate of the average human body temperature (defining 100 degrees), and is thus a type of "centigrade" (100 point gradient) scale. There exist several stories on the exact original definition of his scale, however, and some of the specifics have been lost and exaggerated with time.

user55340

Cold winter, hot summer works too.

@Ampt PBR makes people like you possible.

@JimmyHoffa Yegge's conclusion: use Javascript. :)

user15026

7:53 PM

@Ampt See, I love those. I was that weird kid who, when my mom got like a new washer I would read the whole manual while my dad set it up. Or when my dad got stuck in video games, I would be the one with hte manual (or the guide, if we had one) and be like "try this thing"....I'd even write my own manuals for stuff in my hohuse.

@AshleyNunn Were there a lot of lead paint chips in your home? ;)

@JimmyHoffa your accusations affront my taste buds

user55340

The thing is, when you think in the F scale, its based around human perception... not scientific definition. Makes it easier to think of how hot or cold something is when dealing with outside temp.

@RobertHarvey I admittedly love yegge's thoughts and the way he goes about analyzing things he finds lots of truths I really agree with, yet he often somehow comes up with conclusions that make me cross-eyed. His love for Ruby being one of them, but I read his articles for the thoughts they bring up more than the conclusions heh

I partake in only the highest quality Milwaukees Best Ice.

user15026

@Ampt laughs It was an old log house (used to be a tavern in the 1800's) so we can just blame the booze that likely soaked into everything

user55340

7:55 PM

On the other hand, if you're dealing with water (cooking, science things), the C degree scale makes a lot more sense.

@AshleyNunn Like video games? Go publish something on GameFAQs; make it high quality, that might buy you some tech-writer cred. Maybe.

Some of those walk-throughs are supremely detailed and technical.

user15026

@JimmyHoffa I don't have anything recent, its been a long time since I played anything well enough to do anything detailed

@JimmyHoffa He likes Perl too. Makes me wonder if clean code techniques might solve some of his problems. I can read 10 pages of C# code in the time it would take me to read one function in Perl.

user55340

See, the one function in perl does the same amount as 10 pages of C#...

@RobertHarvey Yes, but you'd have to add another page to the C# code after you were done reading it and in a while you'd have 30 pages of C# where the smaller-code base may require smaller growth spurts and maintain that time required to read for longer

user20683

7:57 PM

@JimmyHoffa I've found myself enjoying Ruby

user55340

(so tempted to flag that as the ravings of a deranged mind...)

user55340

Or maybe... its a sign of a deranged mind... though can't determine which is the cause and which is the effect... the diamond? or ruby and php?

@FrostEngineer I can't honestly knock it having minimal knowledge of it, but I'm not inclined yet to say dynamic typing is the answer, I have an extremely hard time imagining writing something of the feature-scale that I've had to work on in C# with as much robustness in a dynamic language.

Though there's an amount of the problem being applying that thought-approach to Ruby where those monoliths are inherently C#/Java problems

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