The Whiteboard

Ampt

1:24 AM

github vs bitbucket vs kiln: go

just looking for 1 user for doing labs and homework on

i would prefer private... but am open to other considerations

Mike

2:17 AM

bitbucket user here for all my private repos and I have no complaints

Ampt

2:47 AM

I ended up going with github just due to its widespread usage

and this may be code I share with future employers

Jimmy Hoffa

3:41 AM

inlaws are what society invented because some people weren't convinced life sucked enough

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa you live!

Jimmy Hoffa

aye, thanksgiving time with inlaws etc

back now

Ampt

are they... gone?

Aerovistae

Question:

a method that changes an object

vs. a method that returns something but does not change the object

what is the technical term for that.

in Ruby, expressed as the difference between .method and .method!

(if anyone knows ruby)

Ampt

3:56 AM

its usually called an in place method

Aerovistae

RIGHT

thank you.

Ampt

ruby is one of the few languages that I've run into that makes this distinction

Aerovistae

yes

this i know

Ampt

its kind of loosely done by pass by reference vs pass by value

in languages like C and C++

Jimmy Hoffa

4:28 AM

@Ampt No, I'm gone; was in Charlotte. Home now.

@Aerovistae It's called a pure method if it has zero side effects (doesn't do IO or anything else)

gnat

8:28 AM

@Aerovistae you're looking for something like mutator vs accessor methods

1

Q: Java - Using Accessor and Mutator methods

I am working on a homework assignment. I am confused on how it should be done. The question is: Create a class called IDCard that contains a person's name, ID number, and the name of a file containing the person's photogrpah. Write accessor and mutator methods for each of these fields....

Yannis Rizos

10:29 AM

gmail knows the truth about Stack Exchange:

gnat

11:10 AM

@YannisRizos crap, we need to correct "about" text, quickly. Gmail can't be wrong...

"fishing for ideas here" -- "This site is all about getting answers. It's not a discussion forum..." — gnat 2 mins ago

how dare we closing discussions about statements completion. Gmail sez we're shouldn't

-4

Q: Is statement completion getting out of hand?

Seems like you can barley press a key without pop-ups appearing with suggestions that you don't want. You try and ignore them but it automatically selects something - won't let you not select something you don't want. Errors, parameters, methods.... ahhhh!

visual-studio resharper

enderland

1:18 PM

@gnat why can't I upvote comments in the reopen queue

gnat

1:39 PM

8

Q: Upvote comments in 'Reopen votes' queue

We can upvote comments in some review queue's, but not in the 'Reopen votes' queue. I think we should also enable this in this queue, because a question can be revisited, but still wrong. As told in this question it's good to add a comment which describes why it still cannot be reopened. Sometim...

feature-request review vote-to-reopen comment-voting

my guess is, this could make a too easy way out of review audits for robots (which is in turn because of bad design of audits themselves - SE team is just unable to make them pass / fail at the moment of a real failure, when vote is submitted).

user55340

2:55 PM

@Aerovistae Of note though, that is purely a convention by the authors and not enforced in any way, shape, or form. There's also "?" which is used for methods that return a boolean... which makes the whitespace on a line (after indentation) syntactically significant.

user55340

3:18 PM

Fun chase for 10k MSO types...

user55340

Thought about deleting this because it's just plain wrong, but perhaps it's better to leave it here so everyone can know just how wrong it is. — ChrisF 2 mins ago

user55340

(ahh, he edited it... didn't make it a 10k link)

Jimmy Hoffa

3:46 PM

@MichaelT C# Haskell MUMPS -> CHUMPS ?

user41796

Oded on the prowl...

user41796

0

Q: Non-stodgy resources for information technology design

(Totally willing to believe this is off-topic here. If so, can you recommend a place for migrating it? This was the most appropriate place I could think of, and the one most likely to have folks who care about the design motif I'm trying to zoom in on for IT.) I have a very fortunate opportunity...

design technology information reference

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Yep!

user41796

@gnat Check out this revision comment. programmers.stackexchange.com/revisions/220427/3

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 ...pajama pirates on the prowl

I hear that in my head everytime I see "on the prowl"

user41796

3:58 PM

@JimmyHoffa I'm waiting for the whinging meta question to be opened on that one.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 amazon.com/Pajama-Pirates-Andrew-Kramer/dp/0061251941

user55340

@JimmyHoffa don't you think it would be a good idea to implement haskell in MUMPS? Then you could have all those haskell programmers get jobs working in MUMPS shops.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT all what haskell programmers?

3

user41796

@CodeChimp - Please take a breath and relax. Your reply comments make it seem like you're being attacked. You're not. A number of users (including gnat) try to make sure that the site's content remains high in quality. The site gets a lot of off-topic discussion requests that don't match SE's Q&A philosophy. I appreciate what you were trying to express with the "fishing" comment, but please understand that phrases like that attract a number of low-quality answers that simply wouldn't help you out. Thanks for editing your question. Hopefully that helps explain things a bit better. — GlenH7 1 min ago

user41796

People need to lurk longer before asking questions.

2

user55340

4:10 PM

2 more votes to migrate that "how many squares in python" question

user55340

-2

Q: counting 2*2 squares in n*n binary matrix

I've got an n*n binary matrix (only 1 and 0), how can I go about counting 2*2 squares (squares are made by 1) for example A=[[1,1],[1,1]] is considered to make one 2*2 square. or A = [[1, 1, 0, 1], [1, 1, 1, 1], [1, 1, 1, 0], [0, 1, 1, 1]] is considered to make four 2*2 squares...

python python-3.x

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa Glad you're back. We were running low on laughs at FPs expense.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt Oh, well try this on for size then: A monad walks into a bar and orders a drink, then it cries and leaves because the drink wasn't already in it.

Horrible FP jokes FTW

That's when you know I'm back

user55340

@JimmyHoffa you missed this pin for a bit...

user55340

yesterday, by Kody Manharth

Beer yes, no idea what monads are. They sound dirty.

Jimmy Hoffa

4:18 PM

yesterday, by GlenH7

Not sure I can think of too many things worse than that though. So just as well they're not here.

@GlenH7 now I know how to threaten you from now on

Ampt

is there a half easy way to get a list of all classes in a java package?

Jimmy Hoffa

No it's ok really, they're just like buckets, or burritos, here let me find a paper for you...

Ampt

or do I have to do it via file IO

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt Send an e-mail to the package developer asking for the list?

Ampt

no, I own the package

but I want to be able to dynamically add new classes to this package

basically i'm making a web server and I want to have known file types that I will serve

Jimmy Hoffa

4:20 PM

@Ampt that smells of X/Y problem

Ampt

but switch statements are for noobs

user55340

@Ampt There's some reflection things... just a sec...

Ampt

i want to be able to add new acceptable file types to a package and have them be automatically useable with no other changes

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt switch statements are the lowest forms of dispatch; there are other forms. I prefer a complex but elegant functional form with closure composition, but for you just use object dispatch, that's what it's there for.

Ampt

we already have to support 5 file types and more are in the pipeline

so a switch statment would work.. but it's gonna get ugly fast

(this is an academic pursuit btw)

Jimmy Hoffa

4:22 PM

@Ampt and you don't want to use a plugin library where you drop new jars in instead of editing current jars why ?

user55340

private static Set<Class<?>> pullClasses(Class annotationFilter){
    Set<URL> urls = ClasspathHelper.forPackage("com.ampt");

    Reflections reflections = new Reflections(new ConfigurationBuilder()
            .filterInputsBy(new FilterBuilder().include(FilterBuilder.prefix("com.ampt")))
            .setUrls(urls)
            .setScanners(new TypeAnnotationsScanner())
    );

    return reflections.getTypesAnnotatedWith(annotationFilter);
}

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa not jars, classes

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT He wants to put classes into a jar, not pull classes from the jar

Ampt

classes which implement an interface

no, there is no jar

user55340

Which uses code.google.com/p/reflections

Ampt

4:22 PM

it doesn't have to be at runtime

user55340

Oh, other way around... hmm.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt You want a plugin library. There's plenty mature ones out there that will make it so you don't have to write the dangerous reflection code yourself

user55340

You could unjar the jar, put the new .class files in the proper spot in the path and rejar it.

user55340

Wait... I'm lost... what are you trying to do?

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT Any experience or knowledge of lightweight simple plugin libraries for Java? Things so you could like List<IBungalo> pretty = Get<IBungale>("C:\blar\");

Ampt

4:25 PM

hold on, ive got a git repo

github.com/Ampt/WebApps

thats my repo

ok, so under the src folder i have a server package

this accepts new client sockets and listens, which I then have to parse to figure out what kind of filetype they are requesting

I plan on doing this by passing the string into a WebFileFactory, which then will use (Insert magic reflection here) to determine which of the classes in a certain package accept that file type and then call the constructor on that file type

I could maintain a list of the classes and their filetypes in the factory... but I want to learn some java meta programming

user55340

Ok... that is what I was doing with that first one, and that google reflections package.

user55340

The trick is that you use annotations on the class to say what it matches. Incidentally, thats exactly what the code that I pulled that from does.

user55340

You pass in a parameter to it, it finds the class that matches that parameter (in annotations) and creates a new instance of it.

Ampt

annotations?

like I can put in a field that it will look at and try to match?

user55340

isagoksu.com/2009/development/java/…

Ampt

4:30 PM

python meta programming is so much simpler...

user55340

@Key("myAnnotation")
public class SomeClass extends AbstractThingy { ... }

user55340

That @Key is just a simple little class...

Ampt

oooh like they use in JUnit

I always wondered what the hell those were

user55340

import java.lang.annotation.Retention;
import java.lang.annotation.RetentionPolicy;

@Retention(RetentionPolicy.RUNTIME)
public @interface Key {
    String value();
}

user55340

And this says there's an annotation that is available at runtime that has a value.

user55340

4:31 PM

Thats it.

Reut Sharabani

This is actually pretty cool

didn't know you can do that

Ampt

is this stupidly complex for the problem I'm trying to solve?

Reut Sharabani

I mean, I knew you could, cause of hibernate and JUnit

never thought of using it myself :P

user55340

Its got its overhead, but its also the right way to do it too.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt No, you want plugins; this is how you do plugins. It's the right approach.

user55340

4:33 PM

private static Set<Class<?>> pullClasses(Class annotationFilter){
    Set<URL> urls = ClasspathHelper.forPackage("com.ampt");

    Reflections reflections = new Reflections(new ConfigurationBuilder()
            .filterInputsBy(new FilterBuilder().include(FilterBuilder.prefix("com.ampt")))
            .setUrls(urls)
            .setScanners(new TypeAnnotationsScanner())
    );

    return reflections.getTypesAnnotatedWith(annotationFilter);
}

public static Generator generate(String key, String json) throws ReflectiveOperationException{

user55340

And then that block of code will scan the package com.ampt and find the class that matches the given key, instantiate it and pass it back.

Ampt

Can I use multiple annotations on a class?

user55340

Certainly.

Ampt

like an image file could be a jpg, bmp, or whatever else I support

user55340

And it depends on how you set up the annotation - it could have a set rather than a value.

user55340

4:36 PM

9

A: How to create custom annotation with code behind

I propose to follow this blog entry up to the point where the author remembers (s)he has access to Spring's component scan feature. The initial issue is to scan the class path to find classes with the custom annotation. Once this is done, you have the objects in your standalone application throu...

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa I want to do this mostly myself so I Can learn it

user55340

And then the wikipedia page on it - jump down to custom section

user55340

Java annotation

An annotation, in the Java computer programming language, is a form of syntactic metadata that can be added to Java source code. Classes, methods, variables, parameters and packages may be annotated. Unlike Javadoc tags, Java annotations can be reflective in that they can be embedded in class files generated by the compiler and may be retained by the Java VM to be made retrievable at run-time. It is possible to create meta-annotations out of the existing ones in Java. History The Java platform has various ad-hoc annotation mechanisms—for example, the transient modifier, or the @Deprecat...

Jimmy Hoffa

I'd do the same thing in .NET using the MEF library where you do basically exactly what's described.
[Export(typeof(IBungalo))]
public class ItsATrap : IBungalo { }

public class MyBungalos
{
    [ImportMany(typeof(IBungalo))]
    public static IEnumerable<IBungalo> Bungalos { get; set; }

    static MyBungalos()
    {
        new DirectoryCatalog("C:\plugins").Compose();
    }
}

that's how you use MEF (not precisely but generally) in .NET, same concept.

@Ampt Reflection is a tricky wicket. The simpler parts aren't so bad, but when you get to reflection constructing, invoking, or dealing with generics then you have to be very wary of what you're doing. Also reflection as a rule performs for shit so be certain that whatever you do with reflection only get's done once and you hold onto the results otherwise each reflection call has to do lots of IO inspecting packages etc

Ampt

ok, thats a fair point

so lets take this a step back. how hard would it be to load all classes in a package and put them in a set

i expose a method which would substitute for the annotation

and I could parse over the set of classes and find the one who returns what I'm looking for

but I still want to be able to just load all the classes in that set and not worry about creating the class and adding it to the factory

is that possible?

user55340

4:43 PM

Certainly its possible... you'd use that pullClasses method (since you don't want to write your own reflection code).

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt reflection isn't based on what's loaded in memory so you can load the classes once, but then parsing over them reflectively is going to be parsing the packages and you'll have to have some way of keying back from what you're reflecting to the instance you loaded into memory already (dictionary or some such) if you want to load them all and then inspect them

user55340

Reflection for information isn't bad. Reflection where you're trying to get around your class loaded becuase you've got things in the wrong package is bad.

user55340

Previous project, we had two jars that depened on each other. One was loaded first... and couldn't access the second. So it had to use reflection to get class for name to then invoke things. Thats bad, thats bad design and using reflection poorly to get around the bad design.

Ampt

why does class have a type in the pull classes?

user55340

Annotations make reflection safer to use. You are looking for a class that has this annotation and that implements this interface.

user55340

4:46 PM

That particular version is pulling only the classes that have a given annotation. There are other classes in there too, like the factory.

Ampt

do I need annotations though? I don't want to filter any of the classes out

all the classes in the package will be fine

all of the classes in that package will implement the same interface

user55340

Its really download this jar - code.google.com/p/reflections and use it.

user55340

 Reflections reflections = new Reflections("my.package.prefix");
 Set<Class<? extends Module>> modules = reflections.getSubTypesOf(com.google.inject.Module.class);

Ampt

wait whaaaaaaat

can I provide my own class in subtypesof?

user55340

Yep.

user55340

4:50 PM

     Reflections reflections = new Reflections("my.project.prefix");

     Set<Class<? extends SomeType>> subTypes =
               reflections.getSubTypesOf(SomeType.class);

     Set<Class<?>> annotated =
               reflections.getTypesAnnotatedWith(SomeAnnotation.class);

user55340

As I said, we use annotations in our code because it does what you are asking even better... because the class knows about what it is as meta-information rather than implementing methods that expose meta-data.

Ampt

ok ok

ill look into that

thanks. off to my next class

user55340

Your version of the code is perfectly acceptable... but you might want to look into annotations when you get that working.

user55340

@ReutSharabani yep, there is a lot of neat things you can do with annotations. I haven't gotten too deep in it myself. I saw one set of things where there was an object and each field had the associated annotations for validation.

user55340

It also lets you do things like how Spring and Junit work by finding classes annotated in some way that indicates that they are to be run at a certain time.

Undo the Snowman

5:01 PM

13

Q: We need to improve the quality of our spam!

Recently, I've noticed a downhill effect in the quality of spam posted on Stack Exchange websites. Take this as an example (found on Space.SE): There are a great many things wrong with this artifact: There is not one capitalized letter in the entire post. (-1 grammar point.) The only pun...

discussion spam fun always-friday-in-iceland

Jimmy Hoffa

@UndotheSnowman apparently I need to move to Iceland..

Undo the Snowman

Everyone does.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Yea... but it means you'd never get the weekend, because its friday.

Jimmy Hoffa

@UndotheSnowman They wouldn't let me in; no degree.

@MichaelT A functor, a priest, and a rabbi are waiting for a bus. The priest says rabbi's are jerks. The rabbi says priests are dumb. The functor maps the priest into a rabbi.

2

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa you tried?

Jimmy Hoffa

5:04 PM

I could do this all day! Yes, that is a threat!

@Ampt I've heard rumor it's one of their immigration criteria. It's a common immigration criteria that countries in europe look at, but for Iceland I understand they just cement it as a requirement; also rumor I heard is with a Masters degree they basically just open the gates and say go for it.

user55340

A Kentuckian, Californian, and Washingtonian go camping. At the campfire, the Kentuckian pulls out some top shelf whiskey, drinks a swing, caps it, tosses the bottle in the air and shoots it. He says "Don't worry, we have plenty of good whiskey where I'm from."

The Californian pulls out a bottle of premium wine, drinks a bit, corks it, tosses it in the air, shoots it. He says "Don't worry, where I come from there's plenty of good wine."

The Washingtonian gets out a can of PBR and carefully drinks it and sets it down and then shoots the Californian. The Kentuckian looks in surprise and…

2

user55340

(sorry, don't have any good Colorado jokes...)

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT I've got a good colorado joke for ya: Pueblo

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa yeah, 'awesome'. That's the word we were looking for

user55340

Alferd Packer

Alfred G. "Alferd" Packer (January 21, 1842 – April 23, 1907) was an American prospector who was accused of cannibalism during the winter of 1873-1874. First tried for murder, Packer was eventually sentenced to 40 years in prison after being convicted of manslaughter. A biopic of his life, The Legend of Alfred Packer, was made in 1980. Packer's life He was born as Alfred Griner Packer in Allegheny County, Pennsylvania, one of three children of James Packer and his wife Esther Griner. By the early 1850s, James Packer had moved his family to Lagrange County, Indiana, where he worked as ...

user55340

5:10 PM

> In 1968, students at the University of Colorado Boulder named their new cafeteria grill the "Alferd G. Packer Memorial Grill" with the slogan "Have a friend for lunch!" Students can order an "El Canibal" burritos and on the wall is a giant map outlining Packer's travels through Colorado.

Jimmy Hoffa

We'd kick it out but they have the chile fest their every year and without chiles Colorado would grind to a halt.

Colorado without spice is like California without the ocean; a meaningless desert.

user55340

@UndotheSnowman for data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/150346 consider looking into the magic links. See data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/152113 -- this also makes it site independent.

Ampt

5:27 PM

well, my prof broke the projector

this should be fun

Undo the Snowman

@Ampt How?

Ampt

he dicked with it too much

and now it won't find his computer

accidentally turned it off and to bypass the 2 minute cooldown wait

he pulled the power on it and plugged it back in

and magically didn't break the bulb

Undo the Snowman

LOL

Ampt

now it won't find his computer, but its lit up, so we've got that going for us

user41796

@UndotheSnowman - we had a few spammers a little while back that were pretty good. Based upon keywords within the question, they would drop in sections from relevant man pages along with their link. Probably bought the post a few more minutes of life before being dumped. Quite creative though.

Undo the Snowman

5:35 PM

That is creative!

user41796

In some cases, their markov chaining (or whatever) was sufficiently good so that you had to read the question & then re-read the "answer" before realizing it was crap.

user55340

Oh... what is gnat's wall of text comment?

user41796

"blech. wall of text. hard to read. plz [edit]"

user55340

This answer seems to be poorly formatted and a large wall of text. Please edit it to make it more readable by the community. Thank you. — MichaelT 1 min ago

user41796

I'm wondering how many up votes my snark comment will pull from that post

user41796

5:47 PM

We have a chance of snow accumulating on Sunday. I think the Murphy's law of snow blowers is going to work like this. If I don't get the blower ready for use, we'll have an epic blizzard with a ton of accumulation. If I do get the blower ready, we won't see a single flake. It's a shame I can't protect my back from shoveling and keep the kids happy.

user55340

@GlenH7 The trick is to get the kids to do the shoveling.

user41796

They're still a bit young, unfortunately

enderland

so I got a linked-in message from a recruiter which seems to be nearly my dream job.... (?)

Jimmy Hoffa

I remember hating shoveling when I was younger, then at some point I started kind of liking it when I was a teenager because I knew it had to be done and I realized how much it helped when i did it. I think now I'll just hate it again.

user41796

@enderland then IT MUST BE REAL

user41796

5:56 PM

@JimmyHoffa I don't know that I hate it. Then again, average snowfall for me is quite a bit less than it is for you. I only hate it when it's bitter cold & windy. That's when it really sucks.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 Our snowfall is not what it used to was... Now that I have a house I have to actually shovel, but it's a one car garage so the drive's not particularly large. Plus I gladly just salt the crap out of it which for anything short of 6" will get rid of it completely for me.

that said, it's December and I haven't had reason to shovel yet, and if this is like last winter I might shovel 2 or 3 times total

user41796

we had a crazy season last year. Really dry up through Jan and then had a boatload of storms in Feb and Mar. Even got a few snowfalls in April, which is really late for us.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 same thing happened here. This years snow fall numbers are way padded from last winter; we got a lot of late snow.

esrl.noaa.gov/psd/boulder/bouldersnow.html

one big year through the '00s, the rest in the 60-80 range, through the 90's nearly every year is over 90

maybe it's just in my head, the numbers don't appear as shifty as they feel, though those are for Boulder which they probably clock the parts of Boulder which are in the mountains too

@MichaelT hey, here's the job for you, have a look at this page and the file extension on it esrl.noaa.gov/psd/cgi-bin/data/composites/printpage.pl

NOAA has a beautiful location

user41796

6:13 PM

pretty mountains

enderland

6:24 PM

@GlenH7 I'm probably going to discuss stuff with the recruiter somewhat, knowing that they would really need to offer me some significant money for me to leave my current job - but what the heck if its a dream job and they want to pay me 30% more then I'd be pretty serious in considering it :-)

user41796

@enderland No harm in having the conversation, that's for sure. It's the only way to find out for certain if the description really does align with what you'd like to do.

user41796

I have had many conversations along those lines. Also a good chance to see what the recruiter is like and if they're someone you want to stay in touch with.

enderland

@GlenH7 I think it's good to be at a place where I can respond back with basically, "Hi thanks for the interest, it sounds like we may have mutual interest - here's the type of job I would be looking for: (detailed desription) - let me know if there is any interest in continuing discussion!"

having a more clear idea of what I want to do makes everyone's lives easier I think

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 One of the best jobs I ever got was from this. I was fine in my current position not looking, told the guy I wasn't interested, he called back a couple weeks later because he was having trouble finding anybody who fit, I had the conversation and got a huge bump and ended up with a position I enjoyed significantly more.

user41796

That it does. Every recruiter I have worked with has been appreciative when I knew where I wanted to go.

user41796

6:30 PM

@JimmyHoffa Yep. You don't know until you talk with them and find out what it is. I had a few interesting opportunities that would have been amazing except for the relocation.

enderland

@GlenH7 bright side is I wouldn't have to move either for this, though, it'd be a lot longer commute if I didn't eventually move... ;-)

user41796

long commutes do get old. Especially when you have to deal with weather that shuts down the highways.

enderland

yeah :\ I'm about 40 min door to door right now

user41796

blech. And your commute would get longer?!

enderland

maybe. actually gmaps says it might be less - more miles but almost all highway (which could be nice!)

I'm moving eventually, that's for sure, I want to walk/bike to work

user41796

6:37 PM

Make sure you know what rush hour would look like on those highways then. Previously, I had a ~25 min commute that could stretch to 35 or 40 if traffic was bad.

enderland

@GlenH7 yeah. that's what's not bad for me, its a 40min +/- 2min commute almost always :)

except when it snows/ices over. then I'm hosed

user41796

makes it easy to roll through a lot of podcasts....

enderland

can it be 530 yet

user41796

@enderland I'm sure it is in GMT

enderland

@GlenH7 oh right, thanks! cya'll later! ;-)

Jimmy Hoffa

6:48 PM

15

A: We need to improve the quality of our spam!

From meta to main either for the cruft out for you as well). It's done now. Keep in mind that, like humans, lizards make mistakes too; this was probably a lapse in Bill's judgement. As a unicorn, infallible unlike humans and reptiles, I can't for the same reason that many characters. And as a mod...

In Minnesota 1988 there was 1 accident for every 100 snowmobile or ATV rider O_O

user41796

snowmobiles are surprisingly dangerous. I'll not venture a guess how often intoxication may have had a part in those accidents.

Jimmy Hoffa

Structuring it to make available all the car such as the AC implementation as those parts of your models in C# OOP is that you get when you look at the long run is way cheaper, plus the results are always better for any process to acquire another resource if no processes are willing to say 1 is not in a task that is just beyond your data than the facts of it. Nope, you're spot on here. ETL will present, and for the problem is that all resources available (the set of R1-R5) are already acquired. In such a scenario it is valid, or "" is valid, or if you really want your own "3rd party" to seg…

^--- flackoverstow for me

Parsers are the perfect and newer version support at the same chain with any nodes that weren't!

Yeah, that about sums me up.

Jimmy Hoffa

7:13 PM

Flackoverstow is deep..

> There is a great deal of computations that allow you.

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Yep... thats exactly my old comfortable technology.

Jimmy Hoffa

> In FP you never again have one of the old Sesame Street song play in your own exception?

user55340

This answer will appear as a result for every search query. — JoshC 1 hour ago

user55340

Last year's snow fall. The late heavy snows caused a mess.

user55340

7:20 PM

Oh, here's one for you @JimmyHoffa ...

user55340

21 hours ago, by MichaelT

FP is like a pinata - it sits up over there, curious thing in the trees. Occasionally, you go over there and hit it and nothing happens. Sometimes you get a bit of candy. Sometimes you hit yourself on the head with the baseball bat. But when you get that candy... oh its good.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT A more apt analogy would be that it's like the pre-2010 Higgs Boson, many people have devoted their lives to proving it's real, but there's really been no proof and the people who are most certain are the same ones most likely to wear tin foil hats.

user41796

7:37 PM

@MichaelT But y'all are prepared for stuff like that. Right? ;-)

user55340

@GlenH7 I am... the problem was the corn crop. A very wet and late season snow meant it took awhile to get the corn down, and those that did so before that snow? Oh, they were hating it...

user55340

The year before was a drought, and there was lots of brown that year... this year it was just late (and then we had a dry summer too). There was corn being 'harvested' that was not more than waist high.

Jimmy Hoffa

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user55340

Also messed up the October agri-tourism with people going to corn mazes... well, they weren't there.

Jimmy Hoffa

I'm here all week, try the ribs...

user41796

7:40 PM

@MichaelT waist high mazes through the maize don't cut it?

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enderland

I'm amaized you just made that joke @GlenH7

user41796

I used to work with a guy who lived 45 mins outside of Des Moines. His wife worked for one of the Unis there as an agricultural scientist.

user41796

He schooled us in how maize != corn and just how many blah blah blah cultivars there are.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I get even more confused because my wife's family refers to maize as...

user41796

Fortunately, most of those lessons have faded. Corn == maize in my book.

Jimmy Hoffa

7:43 PM

user55340

This was early in the year - bloomberg.com/news/2013-05-31/…

user55340

If you were on a hill that had good drainange, it wasn't bad. If you were in the flat areas... you could have 1/4 of the field underwater into June.

user41796

I think it was Ames that he lived in. Google tells me that would belong to Iowa State Uni. Details, details...

enderland

@GlenH7 yup

user41796

Kind of amazing how much money can roll through agricultural centers like that. But the good years can be great in terms of income. We'll just not talk about the bad years in deference to local customs.

user41796

7:48 PM

@JimmyHoffa Took me a while to find the good mexican restaurants after we moved to where I'm at now. But I'm quite glad I did. Tamales are the bomb.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 We'll not talk about the bad years because the farmers do enough of it; they have to keep up the act like they are struggling despite completely sufficient government checks regardless of their yields after all or else the checks will be smaller next year...

@GlenH7 Honestly I don't recall the last time I had tamales not made by my mother in law... they survive the mail perfectly well and I don't recall having had tamales as good anywhere else

user41796

@JimmyHoffa The subsidies tend to go disproportionately to big biz and not the smaller farmers.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 Of course, big biz has the lawyers and all the people squeezing for every last penny. That is kind of a bitch of a fact.

user41796

But at least the weather is something we can all agree upon

enderland

except meteorologists

Jimmy Hoffa

7:52 PM

@GlenH7 yeah, other than the fears of my pipes bursting in my new house (-13f and -9f past two nights respectively) I'm quite happy to see proper winter weather. No bad luck yet, but I oughtn't jinx myself..

user41796

@JimmyHoffa I flushed out my newly installed irrigation system quite a while back. I didn't want to chance frozen pipes.

user41796

@enderland - while you're itching for it to be 5:30, I'm trying to figure out how it's already 2. Ugh.

enderland

@GlenH7 that was monday through about 11:30 today for me, the entire week flew by

course getting sufficient sleep would have helped the cause today. morning-enderland was not happy with evening-enderland from yesterday

user41796

Hopefully evening-you had enough fun to make up for this AM

enderland

if I lie and say "of course" that makes me feel better. so. of course!

user41796

7:58 PM

sounds like you need to try harder next time to have enough fun to make up for the inevitable the next morning.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I was actually out of town when I saw the weather, glad I did; called and had someone come over while I was gone to trickle the faucets.

user41796

Or just stop doing that sort of stuff. But then you're guaranteed not to have fun.

Jimmy Hoffa

Need to peek around in my crawl space to see if the pipes are exposed in there or insulated or not even run through there or what... I suspect they're exposed in there and I should really go buy a grip of insulation and duct tape and take it to the pipes...

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