The Whiteboard

user55340

12:22 AM

@gnat @GlenH7 I've parameterized that query so you can easily get at other votes to delete - data.stackexchange.com/programmers/query/143162/…

user20683

12:39 AM

@MichaelT Resume is good to go, linkedin is filled out, careers.SO matches...time to write cover letters

Jimmy Hoffa

1:18 AM

@MichaelT ...help... need to get a perl script working

user55340

@JimmyHoffa ?

Jimmy Hoffa

nevermind I think I figured out cpan

maybe

got my mythtv machine up and going, unfortunately the output format defaultly generated while surprisingly compact for decent quality, is completely unable to be paused/fast-forwarded etc

the most current technique I found for doing transcoding is some perl script which of course just barfs complaints about "I don't have X, I don't have Y, you stink and I'll burn all your ancestors!" typical perl threats...

user55340

so, what package are you after?

Jimmy Hoffa

Date::Calc, Date::Dumper, probably others it'll barf about afterwards

is cpan install user specifically?

user55340

perl -MCPAN -e shell

user55340

1:26 AM

As root.

Jimmy Hoffa

I'm trying to do the install as the mythtv user so it can access things correctly but it doesn't have sudo perms

user55340

(so you can install into the system library path for it)...

user55340

You can do it as a user... lets see...

user55340

the other thing is I'm not sure, but those two might not have dependancies.

user55340

deps.cpantesters.org/?module=Data%3A%3ADumper;perl=latest

user55340

1:28 AM

deps.cpantesters.org/?module=Date%3A%3ACalc;perl=latest

user55340

Date calc has a few... Data dumper doesn't.

user55340

Easiest thing then...

user55340

Lets just make a library "perllib" in your home directory.

Jimmy Hoffa

man, perl really needs to just give up and piggy back up on hackage, cabal effing rules at package management

user55340

Hmm... this might work better for you.

user55340

1:30 AM

search.cpan.org/~miyagawa/App-cpanminus-1.7001/bin/cpanm

user55340

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A: How can I use CPAN as a non-root user?

The easiest method I have found so far is to say wget -O- http://cpanmin.us | perl - -l ~/perl5 App::cpanminus local::lib eval `perl -I ~/perl5/lib/perl5 -Mlocal::lib` echo 'eval `perl -I ~/perl5/lib/perl5 -Mlocal::lib`' >> ~/.profile This assumes your profile is named .profile, you may need t...

user55340

Yes, perl's package mangement is... interesting, but its also not that bad.

Jimmy Hoffa

haha

not that bad as in better than the other options circa 2001?

user55340

Dependency management is always a pain. No matter what language.

user55340

I'd be tempted to see if the dependancies that appear to be there, are part of the core system. search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/S/ST/STBEY/Date-Calc-6.3.tar.gz and search.cpan.org/CPAN/authors/id/S/SM/SMUELLER/…

Jimmy Hoffa

1:33 AM

Leave it up to a perler to "The easiest method I have found" is some arcane lines of shell garbunkle

user55340

Just grab those tgz's, toss them in ~/perllib, extract them, and perl Makefile.PL 'em.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT wouldn't the script have not barfed on me if that were the case? Date::Calc seems like something that should be default

Cool that looks like it might have worked

user55340

You'd be surprised how many different date modules people have written. Perl programers are always looking for dates.

Jimmy Hoffa

first cpan thing I've done that didn't just barf errors

user55340

The best date modules are rather... complete. Date::Manip is the one people tend to go to search.cpan.org/~sbeck/Date-Manip-6.41/lib/Date/Manip.pod but its also rather heavy if you just need simple date calculations.

user55340

1:36 AM

> From the very beginning, the main focus of Date::Manip has been to be able to do ANY desired date/time operation easily.

user55340

Consider what that means... parsing any valid date.

Jimmy Hoffa

man I can't get this to work at all

grumble

user55340

> Since many other date/time modules exist, some of which may do the specific operation(s) you need faster, be sure to read the section SHOULD I USE DATE::MANIP in the Date::Manip::Misc document before deciding which of the Date and Time modules from CPAN is for you. However, if you want one module to do it all, Date::Manip is the one to use.

Jimmy Hoffa

I did that stuff from that SO post

how do I install stuff now? cpan still just complains, and cpanm isn't a thing on the system

ah cpan has to be run as root

user55340

It really likes being root.

Jimmy Hoffa

1:38 AM

ah finally it installed something without griping

@MichaelT but what it installed, will it be user-usable now?

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Yep, it just likes to install things into the perl5 lib on the system.

user55340

Trying to get it to install into a local directory is challenging and often counter productive... because that wont be universally accessible.

user20683

@MichaelT @JimmyHoffa either of you have pets? Want a pets.SE invite?

user55340

I've done it before, when I needed to install something for a production system that they wouldn't allow me to install things into the system lib... install local, and push it up as a local lib.

user55340

@WorldEngineer Got a cat... though not sure how much I'll be a Pets.SE person.

user55340

1:41 AM

I've generally found myself to have trouble keeping up with more than 1.5 virtual communities.

Jimmy Hoffa

@WorldEngineer I actually got one, I don't suspect to use it, but it might be a neat thing to let my wife log into to play with, she was a zookeeper for years and has worked has vet hospitals a lot as well

user20683

@JimmyHoffa I can invite her directly if you want

user55340

I think I know a guy who could use it (his wife is a vet or vet student...)

user20683

have her own account and all that

user20683

sharing accounts is...looked down upon

Jimmy Hoffa

1:42 AM

@WorldEngineer ah err, yeah perhaps I'll make an account for her so you can do that.

gar I think I give up. Eff this perl script, I'll find some other transcoder... I got the perl script to workish but it's barfing permissions errors everywhere now that don't even make sense

user20683

@JimmyHoffa whatcha trying to do?

Jimmy Hoffa

1:59 AM

Transcode my mythtv recordings automatically

user20683

2:13 AM

hmm

user20683

Python's pretty good at DSP

user20683

I'd dig something up but there's a certain woman waiting for me

user20683

@JimmyHoffa pymedia.org/tut

user20683

That might help

Matt D

i dont see how a language can be "good" at dsp

you're fundamentally limited by your processor architecture

user20683

2:22 AM

@MattD the libraries are solid

user20683

Python is popular for numerical computing because of NumPy and SciPy

user20683

and yes, I'm aware of the hardware limitations but coding up something in CUDA and then feeding the encoding to that seems excessive

Jimmy Hoffa

4:46 AM

I should just learn handbrake and do it myself

The whole video encoding and codec space is a pile of insanity that I suspect delivers more madness the more of it you understand as opposed to the other way around, which makes me glad I know so little about it as well as very hesitant to change that

Jimmy Hoffa

3:08 PM

@jozefg @WorldEngineer and everyone else helloworldquiz.com

Thomas Owens

HomeSpring? What?

Jimmy Hoffa

Scored 600 on my first try... That game is bloody hard

Crap I just got trolled by one of Turing tarpit languages.. The example was:
H
Choices? EQ9+, Omgrofl, and something else...

I find it hilarious that SmallTalk shows up as a choice for countless of the questions, just shows every OO language is ripping SmallTalk a bit

Thomas Owens

ICANHAZSTDIO

1900. On my third try.

BOOM.

user55340

(yes, got the Ada one right... ada vs pascal vs delphi)

user55340

(HQ9+?)

user55340

3:23 PM

> Nope! The right answer was Haskell

user55340

1300 on first try.

Jimmy Hoffa

Shit my second attempt I'm at 1700 with 2 lives left and it just gave me code that's either Befunge, LOLCODE, or Brainfuck

...and I got it wrong. Shit.

@MichaelT 2100 1 life left and it's asking me if something is AWK or Perl....

fuck I got it wrong lol

so 2100 on my second attempt

user55340

@JimmyHoffa I could certainly differenate those three.

user55340

Befunge looks like a 'picture' of some sort.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT I knew it wasn't lolcode, but I thought Brainfuck and Befunge both used ^ and @ as stack operations

user55340

3:32 PM

(heh, sent it out to some friends... got this email back:

user55340

> BrainFuck ?? What the fuck?

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Befunge uses ^ as a 'program counter goes up' instruction and @ as 'exit'

user55340

>25*"!dlrow ,olleH":v
                 v:,_@
                 >  ^

user55340

That's befunge. Start in upper left, push a 2, then 5, then * (for a newline), start string mode, the characters (on a stack), then loop in the lower right, printing until the stack is empty and terminate.

user55340

(Oh, that loop is neat)

user55340

3:40 PM

So, ':' is dup the top of the stack. and '_' is a test - pop and move left if 0, right otherwise. The ',' is a pop and print, and then you've got the loop with 'v>^' to move it back to the test.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT Does brainfuck not also use ^ as a part of it's stack pointer instruction?

Sparticus

@MichaelT NNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

user55340

I don't see it... ><+-.,[] is its instruction set.

Thomas Owens

FiM++

Sparticus

Ended up with 120 rep from it though, so I guess there's that

Thomas Owens

3:49 PM

That is all.

I got one where the choices were Common Lisp, Scheme, or Scala. Common Lisp and Scheme look the same to me, I don't know which one it is.

Personal Best: 2100.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens Yeah this was my second attempt

My first attempt I got Common Lisp and ARC as choices for one... which are basically identical... ARC being Paul Graham's attempt at extending Common Lisp

Jimmy Hoffa

4:20 PM

Heh the Haskell or Idris example I just got was one character difference between each.

That's what you get when both languages are stupidly terse

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Did you identify it correclty?

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT Course, I knew which character was wrong

Thomas Owens

So far, my favorite languages are LOLCODE, FiM++, and HomeStream.

user55340

@Sparticus Just gotta find what the next one is... we'll get you to 3k. And you'll like it.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens Yeah HomeSpring was a massive WTF

and I just hit FiM++ too

(I just hit a prolog derivative and called it prolog, shazbot...)

Thomas Owens

4:27 PM

It's full name is Hatchery Oblivion through Marshy Energy from Snowmelt Powers Rapids Insulated but Not Great

Sparticus

4:47 PM

Just found a "Fork me on github" banner on a site....

everyone must thing that programmers are the most lewd bunch of people haha

2

user55340

@Sparticus Heh - and I just commented on a question about offensive material on github.

Sparticus

@gnat I liked it better without the wiki link. Let em think it out

@MichaelT Is it because they're stuck in the past?

gnat

5:28 PM

@Sparticus good idea. I didn't fully dropped it but added another level of indirection :)

Four-letter word

The phrase four-letter word refers to a set of English-language words written with four letters which are considered profane, including common popular or slang terms for excretory functions, sexual activity and genitalia, and (depending on the listener/reader) sometimes also certain terms relating to Hell and/or damnation when used outside their original religious context(s), and/or slurs. The "four-letter" claim refers to the fact that a large number of English "swear words" are incidentally four-character monosyllables. This description came into use during the first half of the twentie...

enderland

ok it's friday and I really don't want to work. /honesty is the best policy

Jimmy Hoffa

@enderland What about that Friday you really wanted to work? You remember that one? Man, what were you thinking. That Friday was dumb.

wtpl.heroku.com

enderland

5:44 PM

@JimmyHoffa it happened, once, I think

Sparticus

@JimmyHoffa Man there are a ton of languages that are all virtually identical...

Jimmy Hoffa

I made it through 11 on there, failed on Icon

Sparticus

oh WTF

Jimmy Hoffa

@Sparticus Languages are largely derivative, there's a lot of variances among languages that are pretty vast, but there's way more languages than there are possible variances

Sparticus

Jimmy Hoffa

5:52 PM

@Sparticus That's fairly obvious

there's a very small number of graphical languages out there

Sparticus

of which, I've used 0

Jimmy Hoffa

Tsk tsk...

Sparticus

I mean if its so obvious, what is it :P

Jimmy Hoffa

doesn't look like Piet to me, but maybe it is

Sparticus

uh huh. Your google fu doesn't surprise me

successfully got assembly

aww yeah

Jimmy Hoffa

6:05 PM

Current weather forecast: Laserbeams in effect until 9pm tonight.

Sparticus

Clearly that's the pride parade entering the atmosphere

gnat

@MatthewFlynn thanks! I guess this led to the funniest edit summary I ever used: typo corrected "Gwdl" -> "Gvdl"... — gnat 48 secs ago

Sparticus

6:45 PM

anyone know of a good tool to analyze memory leaks in java?

Jimmy Hoffa

I thought Java memory analysis was just running the programming and watching how long it takes to steal all the memory and crash

Sparticus

har har har

Jimmy Hoffa

You could try counting the variables and then just assume you need 1GB per variable and there's your analysis

gnat

ROT13

ROT13 ("rotate by 13 places", sometimes hyphenated ROT-13) is a simple letter substitution cipher that replaces a letter with the letter 13 letters after it in the alphabet. ROT13 is an example of the Caesar cipher, developed in ancient Rome. In the basic Latin alphabet, ROT13 is its own inverse; that is, to undo ROT13, the same algorithm is applied, so the same action can be used for encoding and decoding. The algorithm provides virtually no cryptographic security, and is often cited as a canonical example of weak encryption. ROT13 is used in online forums as a means of hiding spoiler...

user55340

@gnat thats essentialy the answer I was going to write before I went to lunch...

user55340

6:55 PM

@Sparticus What type of environment?

user55340

And are you willing to pay for it?

gnat

@MichaelT I guess I'll include that into my answer, it's too good to bury in the comments

user55340

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Q: How to find memory leaks using visualvm

I suspect we have a major memory leak in our ActiveMQ connection bridge - we're seeing typical memory leak patterns (app loads fine, slows down if it runs for prolonged periods of time or is restarted over and over again over short periods of time). I looked up modern best practices for finding ...

user55340

rejeev.blogspot.com/2009/04/analyzing-memory-leak-in-java.html

user55340

Dynatrace (or what its now "APM") is also well thought of - compuware.com/en_us/application-performance-management.html

Sparticus

6:58 PM

@MichaelT Java. I found it anyway... we have an unlimited size undo stack

and we store the entire image for every manipulation

40-50 drawings on there means 40-50 images

user55340

compuware.com/en_us/application-performance-management/products/…

user55340

@Sparticus Was more thinking "mobile, stand alone, web/server" as the options.

Sparticus

err

standalone ish

user55340

When dynatrace (or APM) is used correctly, its powerful. Had a web monitor that kicked out sessions that were taking too long ("This request took 10 seconds to resolve") and then we could go and look at all the memory allocations for that request, every method call, every parameter, etc...

user55340

I need more close votes....

Jimmy Hoffa

7:05 PM

@MichaelT Keep it up, you'll be on the nomination block with @GlenH7 next time..

Does anybody need this? Or this?

user55340

7:34 PM

@JimmyHoffa Just keep threatening... and yea... its one of those thoughts in the back of my mind. personally I'd rather Glen would be a mod than (if it was ever an issue) - he's a bit more moderate in his interpretations of close review than I am.

user41796

@MichaelT It's all a facade

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 Will you make me a promise?

@GlenH7 promise me, that if you ever are elected mod, you will set the tone for your moderatorship by immediately changing your name to TrogdorH7

Sparticus

@Sparticus thanks for your comment. I agree and think that's probably the best approach for me. — Simon 14 mins ago

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Immediately? perhaps not. But for a 30 day window? Why not?

Sparticus

welp, guess I should have made that an actual answer lmao

Jimmy Hoffa

7:37 PM

@MichaelT you can do the same, TrogdorT

@GlenH7 Got my vote then.

user41796

I really prefer Sauron for my mod name though

Jimmy Hoffa

But Sauron doesn't burninate with nearly as much indiscrete terror

user41796

@JimmyHoffa WAT?!

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 Trogdor is just indiscriminate death with muscles

user41796

Sauron

Sauron is the primary antagonist and titular character of J. R. R. Tolkien's The Lord of the Rings. In the same work, he is identified as the Necromancer mentioned in Tolkien's earlier novel The Hobbit. In Tolkien's The Silmarillion (published posthumously by Tolkien's son Christopher Tolkien), he is also described as the chief lieutenant of the first Dark Lord, Morgoth. Tolkien noted that the "angelic" powers of his constructed myth "were capable of many degrees of error and failing," but by far the worst was "the absolute Satanic rebellion and evil of Morgoth and his satellite Sauron...

Jimmy Hoffa

7:40 PM

Sauron's just some eye that get's into people's heads and makes them do bad things

Hardly the same as a muscle-bound lizardsnake that burninates the entire country side endlessly for the whole of his breathing time

user41796

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one.... :-)

user41796

But I'm okay with a series of name changes that help set the tone

Sparticus

@JimmyHoffa I think you need to have your burninating meter calibrated, it's clearly off

user41796

.... and I'm out of delete votes. Again.

user55340

7:59 PM

@GlenH7 You make me happy, because I get rep back when you say that.

Sparticus

@GlenH7 Me too! rough one out there today.

user41796

@MichaelT - you're welcome. I hate when I get the "you're out of votes" message bar though

user41796

@Sparticus Time for some random downvoting... :-)

user41796

If I weren't on a quest to 20k then I'd gift you some random 500 rep bonuses so I can harass you about not reviewing the queues

user41796

So just go answer some questions instead...

Sparticus

8:03 PM

Too busy getting yelled at by my prof about my hours...even though other team members have less

whatever. 5 more weeks of this year long class and i'm done with it.

user55340

@GlenH7 You and me... 750 rep each...

user41796

do we have any questions early on the collider?

user55340

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Q: Is it acceptable to upload offensive content to GitHub?

I developed an offensive content checker for my website and want to publish it on github. However, the source code contains many offensive, racist and otherwise nasty content. The source is fully documented but I wanted your opinion on whether it's acceptable to publish such work in GitHub or wh...

github ethics

user55340

@31.

user55340

(heh - got to stackexchange.com/questions - scroll down and look at the icons on the right... "Top Askers")

user41796

8:09 PM

@MichaelT - gnat answered that one too well. And I'm disappointed the OP picked the other answer as the "best one."

user55340

See if you recognize any portraits on the right...

user41796

@MichaelT indeed I did....

user41796

and that's a hot question for that site? Sheesh.

user55340

@GlenH7 The key being for that site - he's not here.

user41796

I'm down with that. If that site answers his interests and questions then more power to everyone.

user55340

8:12 PM

Indeed... Math.SE often gets hot questions with (what appear to be) rather low thresholds.

user55340

(he's trying to figure out how the mean/average works...)

Sparticus

@GlenH7 that other answer was my comment in answer form....

user41796

In the various MSO questions / answers, the SE folk hinted that their is some per-site leveling in place to make sure the others hit the headlines

user55340

@Sparticus Thats why you should have answered rather than commented... gnat did my answer (but I went to lunch, and food is important)

user41796

@Sparticus and you could've gotten ~50 imaginary numbers from it. Gotta act more directly!

Sparticus

8:15 PM

And be that much closer to close votes? Fahgettaboudit

user41796

@MichaelT - Sam's at work, btw

user55340

@GlenH7 Yep, got the second approve on that one.

user41796

Oooooh looky. MS rediscovered color for icons with VS2013

user55340

Its already a protected question, so we're good there...

user41796

@MichaelT I forgot to check that. Glad you did.

user41796

8:31 PM

It's a bad sign when I can think of 3 separate angles to close a question as dupe.

user41796

-1

Q: Personal Development as a Web Developer/Software Engineer

I have a problem, and it's one that several of my developer friends have also come across. Generally, when you leave university, you either end up working for a firm which already has good procedures (TDD, automated testing, proper agile development, etc) or you end up working for a firm which m...

web-development unit-testing career-development software-developer software-design

user41796

Thankfully, there's "unclear on what you're asking"

user41796

point for iTunes radio over Pandora - iTunes lists the guest artists on the track too instead of just the releasing artist.

Jimmy Hoffa

8:54 PM

@GlenH7 you have absolutely no idea how much of my time you've stolen by linking me to that stupid Sauron wikipedia page. (My reading indicates I was dead right: Sauron was just a puppet master, Trogdor is a master of endless destruction)

user41796

@JimmyHoffa You've read LoTR, right?

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 Nope. Only thing of tolkiens I know is from the movies and having listened to the hobbit audio book

user55340

(yes, I'm evil) @JimmyHoffa have you ever looked at the 'misc character' section (where Trogdor is listed) for Homestar Runner? tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Characters/HomestarRunner

user41796

It's a most excellent series. Sauron is one serious bad guy. Even just the armies of orcs he commanded were pretty impressive.

user55340

The domain name should be enough warning for anyone who has visited that site before. Its not bad at all. Its very good. Thats the problem...

user41796

8:59 PM

NSFT - not safe for time

user41796

and now I'm out of close votes for another 3 hours. I fear it's going to be a rough 3 hours

user55340

@GlenH7 I wouldn't have cast that one (if I did) - he's going to delete it as soon as it gets a few downvotes (like he did the last one).

user55340

(see programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/214893/… - 10k link)

user55340

Yep.

user41796

Maybe he'll ask a 3rd so he can trigger the automatic qban....

user55340

9:07 PM

From SO...

user55340

@kounabg While this would have been an excellent question for your teacher, it's a pretty poor question for StackOverflow. This isn't ClarifyHomeworkQuestionsOverflow. — nhgrif 2 hours ago

user55340

(note: @JimmyHoffa hasn't shown back up since I gave him that link to tvtropes...)

Sparticus

@MichaelT wouldn't be the first time he went missing...

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT Been to that site, I'll have a look when I get home (though I used to watch a great deal of HomeStar Runner stuff an age ago so I don't suspect to see anything new

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Its not the "anything new" its the do { "oh, I'll click this link..." } while (1); lacking a break statement.

user55340

9:28 PM

"All of the bugs in the app under IE have been fixed... other than the client is running IE in the first place..."

Sparticus

heard good things about the latest IE. Still wont get me to use it

although chrome and windows 8 tablets don't play nice at all

Jimmy Hoffa

@Sparticus This happens everytime there's a new IE since what, 7?

Doesn't change the fact that compared to competitors it's still not worth your time

user55340

@JimmyHoffa Well, thats because... how was it phrased... oh yea... IE 6 sucks raw eggs through a narrow straw.

Jimmy Hoffa

9:43 PM

@MichaelT I never said it didn't, 7 wasn't an appreciable quality either, and by the time 8 came out (which was actually fine) Firefox and I think Chrome as well had come to solve all our pains.

Irony is all the work MS did to lay Netscape Navigator in a shallow grave, only to give up immediately afterwards and get totally stomped for it.

Ok, fair point, Netscape did it to themselves when they decided "the entire browser could run in Java!"

(god I used Netscape 3 for a lot of years... followed by Opera...)

user55340

Netscape was an odd beast... it was not exactly something that one could monitize and didn't have a compelling server quality that could be monitized (those days).

user55340

You're giving away the browser, and trying to sell the server... (granted, server side javascript was neat those days... but it wasn't enough... and ncsa httpd did what you needed with languages people worked in (perl, c) as cgi programs)

user55340

If they had been able to realize the application server concept back then, they might have lasted longer.

user55340

(I was at SGI during the SGI --> Netscape brain migration... I know several people who went to work for them in the support areas)

user55340

(I remember troubleshooting the SGI indy they had at the 'open source, open party' when mozilla was released - it was hooked up to a overhead projector doing essentially a cat * on the source tree)

Sparticus

9:52 PM

Open source, open party. Man that sounds like a fun time haha

user55340

(that was the Europe one...)

user55340

For the SF one we all got T-shirts...

user55340

mozilla.org/en-US/press/mozilla1.0.html

user55340

9:59 PM

> Mozilla will celebrate the release of Mozilla 1.0 with a party at the DNA
Lounge in San Francisco at 8pm on Wednesday, June 12, 2002. Details are
available at http://mozilla.org/party/2002/flyer.html. Additional parties
are also being planned by Mozilla participants at 126 locations worldwide.
Information on these parties can be found at: http://www.schnitzer.at/mozparty/

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