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12:17 AM

@YannisRizos done now just need enough rep to comment upvote downvote etc

why is my parent user MSO one?

@Wes No idea how the parent user is originally selected, and sometimes it changes without reason. You can change it from your chat profile.

Wes

okay new user is Athas and answered 1 question twice

Q: need the log file giving log messages for debugging the c programme( c and header file)

I need the log file for debugging purposes in my c program. It should be in c file along with the header file. Can you help me? I'm building a Robot project in embedded programming in c.

object-oriented

Yannis Rizos

I know. Also... perhaps you shouldn't be mentioning your new username if the whole point of having a secondary account is for posts to not be easily discoverable from people you work with.

Wes

that doesn't make sense to me

Yannis Rizos

12:33 AM

Hm? I thought the reason you needed a second account was because your boss is using SE and you don't want him to stumble upon your ProgSE posts? Did I misunderstand?

Wes

entire history is one thing. its just not easily verifyable from knowing my id. stops causual snooping thats all. don't like ansewring twice but really it's two seperate questions

Yannis Rizos

Ah, ok then.

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gnat

8:03 AM

@MichaelT I heard that in medieval Europe, embroidery has been almost purely dominated by male for a few centuries, and then the picture changed to opposite and it became almost exclusively female. Who knows, this could happen to programming, too... in a few centuries from now :)

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user20683

12:05 PM

Networkx = :wub:

user20683

that is all

Jimmy Hoffa

2:38 PM

Unless we really miss the ball on this one @gnat robots will be doing all the programming in a few centuries

Jimmy Hoffa

3:34 PM

Is this specific enough for a "canonical answer"?

Q: What kind of specific projects or books would help me master bitwise operations in C++?

I don't use C++ or bitwise operations at my current job but I'm thinking of applying to companies where it is a requirement to be fluent with them (on their tests anyway). To that end I'm interested in finding a project to do that will require gaining a fluency in bitwise operations to complete....

c++ bitwise-operators

Jimmy Hoffa

3:55 PM

Hell, I editted it to try and make it just about the project with the book thing as a side note

Though asking about a project is also closeable as not-constructive isn't it?

Thomas Owens

Asking about projects are off-topic.

"what project you should do next" is one of the "not about" bullets in the FAQ...

Honestly, I have yet to see a good book question. Ever.

The way I see it, if you want a book, you want to learn something. If you don't understand it, then you must have some problem. What is that problem? Because that problem is the question. Not "plz gimme teh bookz"

Jimmy Hoffa

4:13 PM

I'm very bad at interpreting the rules here, I've consistently failed to tell which questions will or won't be closed here. Oh well, so far none of my questions have been closed, woo.

Though maybe they should have been

user55340

4:51 PM

@ThomasOwens This is key. There are many books out there and they change fairly consistently. The bitwize operands I learned in ECE 352 back in college... One professor had one book another had another - I wouldn't say one is better than the other. And the C++ part of that question is a red herring - its applicable to all languages.

Jimmy Hoffa

Arr, true. I agree book requests do seem off, I thought the project portion of the question might have made sense sans the book part but I guess not

I think I assumed that only because someone had a good answer

user55340

@JimmyHoffa I'm not so much sure it was a good answer but rather one the OP was looking for. I would consider a good answer to not have off site references of "go look here".

Jimmy Hoffa

? I was referring to the create an image and make it transparantly masking another etc

I thought that's a great idea for a project forcing someone to apply bit twiddling

user55340

Ahh, that was a good idea/project for doing something with it. I had both a logic and a AI class that had a huge logic problem (determine the list all inputs that make the expression true... I had a function called hamletP (it was lisp) - that matched patterns such as "(or B (not B))").

user55340

I actually used a karnough map once... I put up a chart of "what should it do in each of these cases" and had a 4x4 map. They filled in the response for it, and then I was able to translate that into the if statement to match it.

Jimmy Hoffa

5:14 PM

haha hamletP (or B (not B)) alright that's pretty rich.

user55340

Technically it also identified "(and B (not B))" too...

user55340

@JimmyHoffa re: switch and OO

user55340

c2.com/cgi/wiki?SwitchStatementsSmell

user55340

(apparently, not everything is one boxed)

ChrisF

5:31 PM

@gnat you around?

Re your latest flag. There's nothing we can do. The Workplace account is unregistered hence the "greyed out user" on the Programmers question. If he registers his Workplace account with the same OpenID then he should (he says hopefully) regain ownership of the question - though I'm not 100% on that.

gnat

@ChrisF I see, thanks

ChrisF

I left a comment, but the ping won't work so we can only hope he sees it.

Jimmy Hoffa

@MichaelT Didn't read that whole thing, but I recognize what they're saying about it's two pivots of the same tree, though the important notable difference is reusability and logical grouping. Where you may have a switch on Manager, Employee, and Director, the code in those blocks when put in a method on a type can be used in multiple places whereas in the case of a switch you have to copy-pasta for reusability. Further though, any other switches on those will end up with other methods grouped

That logical grouping gives you easier maintenance because it's safe to say all operations for the Manager case being in one place rather than in switches across multiple places will increase likelihood of the Manager scenarios being maintained consistently

The switch scenario there's a good chance a change to how Manager should be handled will be written to one or two switch-cases for manager, but won't be written to the switch-case in that other assembly you weren't thinking about

If that weren't C2 I would add such, but I always feel C2 is way more important than my thoughts and so I should leave it well alone heh

user55340

5:54 PM

@JimmyHoffa C2 feels rather 'slow motion' now. Its not the "if its C2" but rather the "(last edited October 4, 2011)" that deters me from editing. Its an artifact not an active forum anymore.

Jimmy Hoffa

Yeah that as well, artifact is the right word, I feel like it should be encased for everyone to see rather than interacted with heh

user55340

Its still active... but just not with the great names or appreciable rate that it was in days of lore. c2.com/cgi/wiki?RecentChanges

user55340

I love this quote from one of the pages, shared it with a cow-orker who has seen the movie and had a good chuckle... "But talking to [name] is a bit like talking to Dark Star's Bomb #20: you can engage in an intelligent and interesting conversation for a while, but, in the end - no matter what you do - he eventually misinterprets something you say, thinks himself god, and explodes."

Jimmy Hoffa

6:09 PM

haha

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Jimmy Hoffa

9:02 PM

I really feel like someone is pulling our leg with this one..

Q: Looking for enterprise web application design inspiration

I've checked many websites to be inspired about what the look and feel of a serious enterprise web-application should look like. But the whole I saw were designed for being used by single users and not serious corporate users. The designs I saw were mostly happy-colored, and looked like being dev...

web-development web-applications websites

I want to answer "Hire 8 people to be your boss, and fill out TPS reports until you start muttering to yourself, consider yourself replete with enterprise 'inspiration'."

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Wes

10:04 PM