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12:54 PM

Q: C'mon now - someone is having a joke! Who up voted this?

While going through the review queue I spotted something extraordinary. Can someone trace where this answer has been so that we can find how it got three up votes by the time I saw it? Has it possibly been through multiple review queues? For those who don't have 10K and won't be able to see it ...

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gnat

1:56 PM

@YannisRizos post referred in C'mon now combines best of the best - 1) mindless reviewers - who upvoted utter nonsense and 2) link-only answer - top-voted, accepted, charged with 500 bounty - which was totally useless for more than a year due to (surpris surprise) routine link rot

user55340

2:47 PM

@ento 9:00 UTC is 9pm CST (and 7pm PST). I believe that what I was seeing is reflected in the other two lines though. The blue and yellow closely match until 7:00 UTC at which point they diverge. It may also have been a 'that day' thing.

Rachel

Arrggh Yannis you're doing it again, retagging everything on meta so the main page is full of old posts

Stop it :p

Thomas Owens

Do I need to suspend someone for flooding the homepage?

o_o OMG WTF JUST HAPPENED TO META?

Rachel

@ThomasOwens I found the culprit :)

A: Why many features and bug reports are pending for years without being implemented/fixed?

I went over all our open bugs and feature requests and retagged/closed a lot of them. The Meta front page looks like a battlefield because of this, but I figured it would be better to do it in one big sweep to get a better idea of what we are talking about. So, right now we have: 8 open bugs, a...

Thomas Owens

Ah. Makes sense. I was just looking at what edits were being made.

Yannis Rizos

@Rachel ...and I'll do it again if need be. We really need to clean up Meta, last time I was looking for a few past discussions for half an hour or so and couldn't find them because they were mistagged. Extremely frustrating, I knew there were there, but still couldn't find them. And this time, argh, more than half of our feature requests weren't feature requests... Also a ton of completed/bydesign posts that weren't tagged as such, etc...

We really need to clean up Meta (and I really don't have time to spread my edits as to not disturb the front page)

Have I mentioned that we really need to clean up Meta?

Thomas Owens

3:05 PM

So, @YannisRizos, do you think that we need to clean up Meta?

Yannis Rizos

@ThomasOwens Nah.... ;P

Rachel

3:20 PM

@YannisRizos In some cases, its better to live with messy historical data than to spam the front page with a bunch of old outdated questions :)

Yannis Rizos

@Rachel We can't complain that bugs don't get fixed, when more than half our bug reports aren't really bug reports. Same with feature requests, 2/3 of them were either not actual feature requests or not relevant anymore.

Jimmy Hoffa

3:39 PM

I have a feature request, I request a feature wherein I'm given 25k rep. I think this is a spectacular feature request.

Yannis Rizos

@JimmyHoffa status-declined

Jimmy Hoffa

4:01 PM

Balls.

Walter

4:26 PM

@YannisRizos I'm behind your clean up efforts. Big deal the front page is filled with edits, we don't get THAT much traffic on Meta that you can't just click on the Questions link and see new questions there. In fact this week (and particularly tomorrow) is a great time to do it because of the holiday in the US.

Morons

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Walter

LOL... need to do this to my mom..

user55340

5:27 PM

@grasshopper If you do not know the community that will grow up around the site well, take both approaches. You (and other moderators) approve things and if you do not approve or decline of something within a period of time, it is approved. Additionally, the community can flag things which removes visibility until you either re-approve or decline.

user55340

@grasshopper Furthermore, I gave this link to Yannis earlier - shirky.com/writings/group_enemy.html - I firmly believe anyone writing or moderating social software should be familiar with it.

user55340

5:44 PM

Is it worth reformatting an already closed (and likely to be deleted) question that still can't be salvaged?

Jimmy Hoffa

@YannisRizos should the beginner-programmer tag even exist in programmers when we expect you to at least be a programmer for a while before you'll be able to ask relevant questions here?

user55340

6:29 PM

(lets see if I get this tag thing working right) beginner-programmer has many closed questions, but some good ones there too. I suspect that many of the ones between the higher voted ones of this summer and now have been deleted? (I wonder... mean and median votes for a given tag query...)

Jimmy Hoffa

7:00 PM

I would say the good questions there don't actually get anything at all from the beginner-programmer tag, they're topical questions with other tags, all the questions which are based on the questioner being a clueless beginner are horrible. One of them is highly voted but should be closed as career advice.

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gnat

8:38 PM

DSL Client

beginner-programmer

Goma?

user55340

I'd tend to invoke Hanlon's Razor on that one.

makerofthings7

9:09 PM

@EranMedan I just revised the links in the community wiki.. NIST didn't certify it AFAIK, though it approves of PBKDF2 for password hashing. "@" me if you have more questions.

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user55340

10:23 PM

A greedy algorithm for parsing @Pearsonartphoto (who just showed up in the who is in the room list) leads to an odd interpretation. I got "Pear - sonar - t - photo"

Pearsonartphoto

Interesting...

I'm thinking at some point I'm going to have to re-brand, but I'm not there yet...

user55340

Switching to mixed case might help - PearsonArtPhoto makes the parsing a bit more clear.

Pearsonartphoto

I'm actually thinking something drastically different.

Might be a bit of a problem.

Well, I start with adding a few caps.

I'm trying to decide exactly, but I'm thinking perhaps something with the word Aardvark in it.

user55340

That will help ensure you show up first in the yellow pages.

Pearsonartphoto

That it would, but that's not entirely why.

user55340

10:31 PM

I tend to suspect that the company-name space of "Lastname (type) photography" is fairly filled and hard to differentiate one from the other.

Pearsonartphoto

Well, truth be told these days I'm more into programming than anything else.

I might incorporate photos into my programs, but that's about the extent of it.

I'm deep into my next program, and it's a lot of fun.

user55340

I can certainly attest to photography being a nice escape from programming... and depending on the location and amount of disposable income, a good way to dispose of said income. (I have an XPan amongst other things).

Pearsonartphoto

So far I've made about $400 from it. I've spent considerably more than that...

user55340

The way to differentiate a professional photographer from the amateur is that the amateur can afford to get a new lens.

Pearsonartphoto

LOL.

user55340

10:36 PM

I've made a few hundred off it, and spent way more too... But its a nice escape and direction to use when taking much needed vacations.

Pearsonartphoto

I've got a friend photographer who I suspect is making bank. I wouldn't be surprised if he has a 6 figure income, actually.

user55340

On my great unemployed road trip I spent a bit over 4 months driving around and taking photos.

Pearsonartphoto

Truth is, I've probably saved as much money by using my own photos as I have made from photography.

user55340

The key is to become a big enough name that people want your photography. I've got a few Peter Lik photos... and he's certainly in the 6 figure range too. The hobbyist who dabbles and goes to an art festival once a year won't ever get there.

Pearsonartphoto

I actually had a $200 order on my website from someone I've never met the other day. It was a pleasant surprise, to say the least.

user55340

10:39 PM

4 months, leaving San Fran, up to Seattle, down to the oregon coast, up the coast, down the coast, Lassen, back to the coast, Columbia Gorge, Pendelton, Forks, Ranier, Seattle, Banf, Waterton, Glacier, Yellowstone, Salt Lake City, Moab, Vernal, Denver, Taos, Aspen, Devils Tower, Black Hills...

user55340

Me, my car (actually, had to buy a new one when I was in Aspen), and my cameras.

Pearsonartphoto

Nice. I sure can't afford that...

user55340

I was on severance for that entire time (and California WARN law). So I had money coming in the entire period.

Pearsonartphoto

11:15 PM

Nice.

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