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12:06 AM
Jeez, reading the Java Virtual Machine spec is making me feel sleepy, think I've found a new trick to helping me get to sleep
 
 
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2:37 AM
Anyone willing to school me on a silly VB question?
 
 
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7:03 AM
@ThorbjørnRavnAndersen: Napoleon, him again
 
 
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8:09 AM
@Pierre303, yes him. Wonder why there is no programming language named Napoleon ?
 
8:26 AM
@ThorbjørnRavnAndersen: Do you know WinDEV? It's a language where you program in French. Hard to believe isn't ?
 
@Tho
 
@Pierre303, well, I am led to believe that the French like French a lot, so it is only natural ;-)
 
@ThorbjørnRavnAndersen: they do yes ;)
 
8:44 AM
@Pierre303, will probably be designated a trade barrier and banned by the EU then :p
 
@ThorbjørnRavnAndersen: most developers already rejecting it massively ;)
 
9:10 AM
@Pierre303, out source it to India, and get it back in Hindi or Sanskrit.
 
 
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11:22 AM
In French programming language I just hope that you don't need to do a proper verb conjugation, or it would be the most complex language in the world.
 
12:01 PM
Hello
 
@Mag20: @DesolatePlanet:Hi
@Mag20: and @DesolatePlanet: pls share your views on this question programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/51865/…
 
awesome, nice to see some indications of life in this room for a change
 
@DesolatePlanet hi
 
ok, answered
 
Hi Sankar, I submitted and answer. Take a look.
 
12:12 PM
my head is a little sore this morning, so the quality of my answers may not be perfect, but there is wisdom to them :P
 
@Mag20: Sure
 
my head still hurts after that post I made about 'Arguing developers'
oddly enough the office was quiet the next day (I assume they seen the post and guessed it was none other than I who posted it :D)
 
That was pretty good. I used to be one of the arguers many times. U just tend to forget that other people are trying to work round it.
It just SOOO important to finally figure out if Java or C# is really better.
 
better for what?
 
Just better...
 
12:16 PM
@MAg20: Can you tell me , any good free e book to help me to me understand about CODE REVIEW
 
I just got a free one from smartbear.com/best-kept-secrets-of-peer-code-review... The guy who wrote it has a really good blog, so looking forward to reading it.
 
hmm, there is excessive marketting in that book
but that's what I expected given it was free
if you take the marketting stuff out of it, there is some good reading material
 
When u get into arguments like "Jave vs C#", in 5 mins u just start arguing for the sake of arguing... Hard to remember what the original point was.
I like written discussions a lot better for stuff like this... Doesn't keep going in circles.
 
yes, my office has quite a few polarity responders
Often it's right at the back of my head and I'm trying to read the details of a bug I need to sort out
I've told them several times to shut the hell up, but it's like a playground
 
Yeah, u may get back... No... U shut UP!!! And now u r a part of the arguement somehow.
 
12:21 PM
I've got 2 weeks off, studying for my java exam that I'll be taking next week then I'm getting the hell out
Yeah
The idiotic thing is that we've got a massive kitchen, a meeting room, a social email group and pidgin, which supports group conversations
yet, none of these communication mediums are used
 
I hear u... Sometimes it is best just to calmly remind people about those mediums.. In the heat of discussions u just forget.
 
Yeah, but I'm sick of reminding them. And moaning about pay rises and reviews constantly isn't going to solve anything
either take it to management or simply look for another job, but for god sake don't sit and wine
 
@Mag20 thanks for the blog
 
when I typed that 'arguing developers' I was looking at violins on amazon, I was tempted to get one and sit and play the damn thing for everyone
 
Sounds just like a bad environment to work in. In good working env. people don't complain much and really respect other's people space.
 
12:25 PM
indeed
 
:) U do need to get a really small violin for better effect.
 
I need a two week break from it anyway
lol, yep
I play the guitar, so It shouldn't be too hard to learn the violin
 
@DesolatePlanet i love to play guitar, can you point some links which helps to me play my guitar in a nice manner
 
what kind of music do you like playing?
and what is it you are wanting to learn?
 
U can always play guitar with violin ala Spinal tap
 
12:28 PM
I usually look up tabs for songs I like and/or go to youtube to see other people play
lol
 
@DesolatePlanet yeah, i am waiting to learn
 
yep, you can
"waiting to learn"
waiting for what? Just start learning :)
 
@DesolatePlanet yes, i m eager to learn , because my old guitar has problem, no planned to buy a new one, that's why
 
electic? acoustic? what?
electric*
 
@DesolatePlanet i love electic what about you
 
12:39 PM
I play classical and electric
 
@DesolatePlanet which one is impress you
 
crap my face is bleeding. Just bought one of those new Gilette progllide razors. 8 quid and just the other previous three models i bought, it leaves my face bleeding
just like *
erm, I like the electric guitar mostly
 
@DesolatePlanet hmmm
 
12:53 PM
@DesolatePlanet Are you here
 
I am, what's up>
?
 
@DesolatePlanet do you have account in twitter or facebook
 
I don't use twitter or facebook much, but I've got a facebook profile
 
@DesolatePlanet ok give me your facebook link, i will give friend request to you there
@DesolatePlanet got my request
 
Yeah, I'll accept it later, switching between this and my IDE at the moment
 
1:03 PM
@DesolatePlanet No problem
 
1:21 PM
@ThorbjørnRavnAndersen: Hi
 
I was tempted to post a question last night entitled "How do I get a software house to wash it's dishes?"
 
@Rachel:Hi
 
for the past few months, the kitchen sink has been piling up with dishes and the cleaner has been going off her head saying it's not her job
probably get several -1 reviews for such a question
 
@DesolatePlanet oh
 
2:26 PM
hi there
 
@SankarGanesh: Hi
 
@Rachel how are you?
 
doing good, and yourself?
 
@Rachel fine also
@Rachel what languages are you mainly programs in?
 
@Jinjavajin right now it's mostly C#/WPF or ASP.Net/VB. Done a bit in other languages, but nothing worth mentioning
 
2:37 PM
@Rachel for me it is java only
 
@Jinjavajin I worked with java a while back, but not with anything big. I liked some aspects of it, but overall I prefer C#. One of the biggest things I liked about java was the layouts, however WPF gives me those so I'm good :)
 
@Rachel so you give up up java almost?
 
@Jinjavajin Not really, I just don't have a reason to use it right now. My current work environment is using .Net so that is what I focus on.
 
I have a feeling that is what is going to happen to me dispite studying for my Java exam
despite*
typo of the day
 
@Rachel ok,wharever ,soon i will jump into C# and .net
 
2:54 PM
java is the main language in many environments and I doubt that is going to change anytime soon.
 
android is one of the expectation that java giving to me
 
3:18 PM
I'm doing quite a bit of Android in my spare time now
I think our app is going to be ported to android very soon
which is good as working with the Blackberry APIs is driving me insane
I'd always invest time in niche technologies, if put all your time and effort into what's vogue, you might not make as much money as you like
my previos company layed out over 100 Java developers and those jobs went to mumbia
I few of them I know had a hard time finding work as they had nothing but Java on their resumes
if they learned a bit out the business and also spent time learning a few niche technologies, they might have not had such a difficult time
If you haven't read this book, I'd recommend it
very very good reading
 
@DesolatePlanet: this is indeed an excellent book. The previous name was "My Job Went To India"
 
yep, that's right
think it says that in the preface lol
 
I preferred the previous title, because it was more in phase with the content.
 
@Pierre303 hi
I would like to learn android
 
3:35 PM
@Jinjavajin: Excellent idea, I could have a project for you then.
 
@Pierre303 ok,but it will take long time to finish study and start working
 
That link might help. :)
 
@Jinjavajin: Ok tell me when you are ready
I believe mobile is the next thing. It took time, but now it is real
 
3:42 PM
@Pierre303 then how can i learn C# and .NET?
 
Just do it
 
@Jinjavajin If you know how to program, pull up some webpages, download an IDE/compiler, start playing
 
Grab one of the free 'express' versions of visual studio and write a blog engine (or a to-do list, or something simple like that)
 
@Jinjavajin: Android is not a C#/.NET platform. Java is the primary language for Android development.
 
If you've learned the fundamentals of programming with any language (for loops, if statements) and if you know some OO fundamentals (inheritence, etc.) then jumping from one language to the next is mostly a matter of syntax, along with accounting for the special nature of the platform (example: you have to allocate your own memory in C, but not in C#).
 
3:48 PM
Hi! :)
 
@ChrisHolmes and library functionality
 
Yeah, learning the library is probably the biggest chunk of work.
 
That's something I almost never worry about though.... That's what open source and Google are for.
 
@Jinjavajin: one guy from a neighbor country of you told the easiest way to learn is to practice. That was many millenium before.
 
 
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6:20 PM
Anyone read Being Geek>
 
 
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8:17 PM
Nobody is here, might as well get comfortable.
 
Anyone else have this problem on SO? Any question quiet enough to get an answer into doesn't get looked at enough to get votes?
 
What?
What do you mean by quiet enough?
 
@SergioTapia Unpopular, so that by the time I've got an answer it doesn't have 5 good answers already
 
@CRoss Having a major brain fart here. I can't seem to understand what you mean. :P Off to get some coffee.
 
I'm not sure I understand what you mean either... Meaning the only time you get a chance to answer a SO question is when it is so quiet that nobody upvotes your answer?
 
8:21 PM
OOOHhhh. If he means that then I got it.
 
@SergioTapia I hope you mean unzipping your coat or something.
 
@Rachel yes, that :-)
 
@AnnaLear unzipped my belt, al bundy style. But seems there's people here now. :P zips
 
@SergioTapia Thanks. For future reference, that's not appropriate for chat. Keep it zipped.
 
Anna, your new Avatar is great
 
8:24 PM
@AdamCrossland Thanks. :)
 
@CRoss: I find its hard to get rep on SO since most questions have already been asked/answered, or can be better answered by someone else w/ more experience than me. So instead of answering SO questions for rep, I do it to try and help whoever is asking the question and to learn
Most of the time I'll just browse unanswered questions and go for the 25 rep from the OP (10 for upvote, 15 for accepted)
 
@CRoss I've noticed that the people who have the highest rep shotgun answers as quick as possible then edit their answers.
 
@SergioTapia yeah, I have a hard time working that way
 
Me too, I'm used to helping out on forums. SO is another beast. First answer is generally the highest rated.
 
@CRoss @SergioTapia I've tried doing that, and people still edit their answers faster than I edited mine.
 
8:27 PM
See?
I kind of dislike the SO sites because of this. I think it's been discussed on Meta but I don't remember what the general consensus was.
I do love browsing the older question with 50+ answers. It's like a collective well of info from smart people.
 
My greatest expertise as a programmer is with C# and .NET, but I have found it to be virtually impossible to gain rep through those subjects. There is just too much competition. Virtually all of my +7K rep is from Google AppEngine-related answers
 
also when I try doing the fast answer and editing, my answer is wrong
 
Why do you want to gain rep there anyways?
 
Hahaha. :D
I'm downloading an Ultima Online client, you guys play it way back when?
 
8:32 PM
@Cross I love taking a look at your profile and the first question I read from you is "As a man, how can I roleplay a woman better". lol took me a minute to realize your parent user was on rpg.stackexchange.com
 
@Rachel I'm uncomfortable having MSO as my highest rep item ...
@Rachel yes, because I mod over there
 
@CRoss Nothing wrong with it, just made me laugh :)
I'm a big fan of RPGs myself
 
RPG as in p&p or videogame RPGs in general?
 
video game rpgs
not into larp'ing
 
8:35 PM
No, I was asking @CRoss :P But I also don't larp.
 
Is it viable to have a SE website for every vertical topic?
 
If there's a big enough community, I don't see why not
 
@SergioTapia the site is about P&P, theoretically LARP too, but no one has ever asked a question about one
 
I'd like to see a SE on human behavior
 
as long as the community has experts
 
8:37 PM
@CRoss drugs.stackexchange.com - QA site about recreational drugs? I don't think they'd let that one slide.
 
Yes after all, they can "look" like different websites, but are a part of the same application
 
@Rachel I wish there was one on UX.
In my opinion, THE BEST looking SE site is the photography one. Very flashy and jquery-y. hehe
 
@SergioTapia They have one on homebrewing ...
 
Homebrewing beer?
 
and wine
 
8:44 PM
@SergioTapia What's the photography link? I'd like to see it
 
Let me find it
Oh yeah, check out those slick menus.
 
I love the fact they have user contributed art
English is one of the better looking sites too
 
I wonder if you ask a question full of typos on english.stackexchange.com, would you be chewed out? Like an uber Reddit mob?
 
I like the P.SE layout very much
 
it works very well for this site, yes
 
8:50 PM
What do you guys think? Should a new programmer start by learning assembly?
 
Anyone know of a good program that automatically encrypts files when dragged into a specific folder?
 
@SergioTapia: I think a programmer should learn how the computer works under the hood. And assembly is a good way to learn how CPU & memory works.
 
@SergioTapia I would say no, but they should have a basic understanding of how it works
 
@Pierre303 See I agree with @Rachel but there seems to be this dogma that you have to know what's under the hood 100% to be a professional. But this is hardly the case. It's good to know but not needed right of the bat. With advanced frameworks handling most of the chunky things needed, why would a new programmer have to learn assembly?
 
@SergioTapia: you don't have since I barely know 1 or 2 programmers that know how a CPU works, and they are not the best programmers I know ;) However, since Assembly is basically the first programming book I purchased in the late 80's, I'm a bit biased.
 
8:55 PM
@Pierre303 Yeah I can see why you're biased then.
 
@Rachel: did you considered bitlocking? I'm not sure it works with folder
 
I don't think Assembly should be the first, so many people get scared off by C or Java
but I do think it's good to start with a language where you have manage your own memory, and that you should definitely learn that at some point (Assembly, and some language without memory management)
 
@Rachel: apparently it's built in in Windows: petri.co.il/encrypting-file-system-overview.htm
 
@Rachel As Pierre points out Windows does that, but it's annoying!
 
My bed is calling me. See you guys.
 
9:01 PM
@SergioTapia, no, because the first language you learn molds your brain for how you see any future language. The abstraction level in assembly is too low for this purpose. But learning it later is a good idea, in the same way that haikus are good training for writers.
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concur
good analogy
 
 
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10:12 PM
today i found out about the nerdtree plugin
how many of you guys use it?
 
@ThorbjørnRavnAndersen Yep completely agree with you. A new programmer shouldn't even look at assembly code first because it will turn forever scar his brain.
I'm kind of bored of the whole business oriented software. I'll still do it to put food on the table, but it's appeal gradually for me for quite some time. What I really want to do is make games.
 
10:35 PM
i wrote this code to dynamically change wallpapers from reddit/r/wallpapers. Can anyone help me improve my code? (python) github.com/kunalk/scribbings/blob/master/reddit_wall.py
 
11:06 PM
@S
@SergioTapia, "scar his brain" is perhaps a bit strongly worded. I'd rather say something along the lines of giving a less than perfect mindset. I've written assembly code for several processors mostly in an early age, and I don't feel particularily scarred.
 

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