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andrew.46

2:18 AM

@vidarlo The 'private' policy (on Stack Moderators Questions) was what set the whole thing off. But discontent had been building for a while. I see some positive signs in early negotiation between the company and Mods at the moment on Discord.

@vidarlo So I usually 'Destroy' the user as well although there are recommendations for and against doing this.

@BeastOfCaerbannog Another issue is the correlation between a sudden drop in activity on SE with the arrival of ChatGPT. As for causation: 1. Mods have frightened too many people away with unnecessary suspensions 2. People are getting their answers from ChatGPT (in part because of a toxic reputation on SE) 3. Whatever process of decreasing activity on SE, seen since 2014, is continuing and accelerating. 4. Some unpleasant mix of 1, 2 and 3. 5. The drop off has nothing to do with AI/LLM (unlikely?)

Strike stats seem to be levelling out: 06/09/2023 12:00 PM: 109 moderators (+0) covering 76 sites, 16 former moderators (+0) and 968 curators (+3) - 1093 total (+3).

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vidarlo

6:57 AM

Yep, I think it's levelling off, and probably no new mods, but some more curators will probably tick in

andrew.46

7:41 AM

For me this is one of the answers that has made most sense in the current debacle: meta.stackexchange.com/a/389960/662263

@vidarlo It would be interesting if the total Mod figures would show a breakdown of active and inactive Mods and percentages. AU has some quite low activity Mods and this would factor in our total participation in the strike

vidarlo

@andrew.46 Absolutely. The number of mod actions performed by the signers would be funny stat, albeit probably not possible to get.

andrew.46

@vidarlo I have seen a small number of Mods on quieter sites only become aware of the strike when their sites have become flooded with spam all of a sudden :)

I certainly appreciate the Charcoal people a lot more now...

And I look forward so much to powering into the Mod work when the strike is over :)

vidarlo

7:58 AM

@andrew.46 Yep - and quite some who come in here and ask about the spam. So it's spreading slowly.

Some of the smaller sites are more or less dead anyway

Has any site apart from windows phone been killed off?

andrew.46

@vidarlo Don't know I'm afraid

@vidarlo I spent some time in the Veganism & Vegetarianism beta site and it was very, very slow.

vidarlo

Yes, I've answered a few questions on sustainable living site, and answers is still on front page after months

bottom of the front page on SL is beginning of february

Then there's no community, no activity and in my opinion no reason for the site to be open to new questions anymore

andrew.46

@vidarlo I saw the Maths Overflow people talking on Discord and I admit I was not aware that they are not 'owned' by Stack Overflow, Inc.

Q: Who owns MathOverflow?

Is MathOverflow a subsidiary of Stack Exchange? Did MathOverflow lose its independence when it migrated to the Stack Exchange network?

Now that would be fantastic if it were the case with Ask Ubuntu!

vidarlo

interesting twist

I was thinking about that the other day - AU is potentially big enough to actually work and function as a separate site

andrew.46

@vidarlo Now that would be cool! And it would get around the weirdness of having Unix & Linux as well as Ask Ubuntu

vidarlo

8:13 AM

yep

tho, that would make space for an OpenSUSE site on SEInc...

;)

andrew.46

And Jon Ericson keeps putting out great articles: jlericson.com/2023/06/07/strike_progress.html

vidarlo

8:35 AM

Nice piece. He knows the company and the community

BeastOfCaerbannog

@andrew.46-OnStrike I agree. It's a multivariate problem in reality and attributing the activity drop to only one cause is wrong.

andrew.46 - On Strike

@BeastOfCaerbannog It would be interesting to know where the push is coming from. Best not to be the meat in the sandwich: The CMs

BeastOfCaerbannog

@andrew.46-OnStrike Haha, yeah!

vidarlo

@andrew.46-OnStrike middle management... no power, but has to defend stuff.

andrew.46 - On Strike

@vidarlo Before I retired I rose in my position to take on more responsibility and pick up extra money. But I made sure that I did not move into management positions, exactly for that reason

vidarlo

8:47 AM

Same goes for me.

I'm in the technical track

But relaxing there as well. I don't need more money right now.

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Artur Meinild

11:28 AM

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Q: What is Cannabis Dry Hash?

fellow cannabis enthusiast! Let's dive into the wonderful world of cannabis strains and explore the differences between indica, sativa, and hybrid varieties. Indica and sativa are two primary types of cannabis plants, each known for their unique characteristics and effects. Indica strains typical...

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vidarlo

12:15 PM

I'm in favour of more liberal drug laws

but that's too far

huh

deleted by community with -3 votes

Has they changed the threshold for autodeletion on spam flags?

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Ask Ubuntu Meta

3:47 PM

Q: We need to ensure that Ask Ubuntu's archive remains publically available

I was disappointed to find out that this is a problem: June 2023 Data Dump is missing We need to make sure we preserve our community contributions for the next generation, does anyone have the bandwidth to investigate this?

discussion

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Random Person

5:16 PM

@AskUbuntuMeta It's nice to see Jorge after so long...

Random Person

5:28 PM

Q: Will SE shut down the free API for good?

SE has intentionally disabled the data dump. And the CEO has stated to the press that he plans to charge AI companies for access to the data. Given these developments I think it is almost inevitable to expect more restrictions on data access, as just disabling the data dump is unlikely to stop AI...

support data-dump api

Levente

Hi, I have published a meta.SE post, which is in the process of being downvoted to disappearance. If you find it agreeable what I write, and believe that it could have a positive impact, you could help bringing it back to visibility:

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Q: Open feedback and questions for Philippe (regarding communication around the AI policy rollout)

For context: Philippe, you have published this post, to which, one of my responses was this post. I have received your response in the form of a comment, which, for the sake of a duly structured response, I wish to address here. I will use my observations as the basis for questions that I will po...

discussion

Random Person

@andrew.46-OnStrike we aren't owned by Canonical...

Levente

Also, if it's not worthy of upvoting, I would welcome feedback about how to introduce my points better.

Random Person

Levente, I don't think it's appropriate to create a new post to talk about Philippe's comment. Perhaps, create a chatroom, invite Philippe and chat with them if they enter the room.

Philippe's bio states this: "You're very welcome to reach out to me at any time, but I will caution that I get a huge amount of email, and I'm probably not the best person to help you. If you need help with this or any of our sites, I strongly advise you to check the help center or try sending us a note through the contact form. If all else fails, you can try sending me an email at [email protected], but be aware that it may be some time before I can respond."

Philippe ♦, Oklahoma

14.9k 9 41 59

discussion announcements community-managers community-vp-questions support stack-exchange-team moderators

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Levente

7:10 PM

@RandomPerson Yeah, exactly, half of his bio seems to be about a discouragement against contacting him... (I have seen that earlier) (but that's why I titled my post "open feedback", as in "open letter")

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andrew.46 - On Strike

10:17 PM

You know I had thought that it would not get any worse: meta.stackexchange.com/a/390023/662263

Ask Ubuntu Meta

11:07 PM

Q: We may need to migrate away from the StackExchange platform. If you know how, please start the preparation

I caught wind of a new insight (credit: @leanne), that enables some foreshight into aspects of the possible future. The following quote is to be found as the update section at the bottom of this post: After doing some research on Prosus and checking out the StackOverflow blog entry from April 20...

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vidarlo

@andrew.46-OnStrike What do say. It seems SEInc is preparing for something.

@andrew.46-OnStrike meta.stackexchange.com/questions/389922/…

data dump disabled deliberatly

@andrew.46-OnStrike I'm not less inclined to depart permanently

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