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YetAnotherRandomUser

00:24

Working with Ubuntu 18.04 liveCD trying to fix a seagate backup+ with issues. New to Linux. I see the GUI tool "Disks" and for the drive I am working on, if I click the double gear icon, there's an option to "Create Partition Image". What does that do?

Does it use ddrescue to copy the partition to another drive?

Benny

06:01

Hey guys, I am trying to get the output from echo 'something' to /dev/partition
And I see it works by this way but it's not really give me the output like if I use cat /dev/parition on another terminal and execute the echo from another terminal,
I have try this for example:
echo 123 > /dev/partition >&2
I can see only the command 123 but it's not really the results
Because if echo 123 to partition yield an OK message, I would not see this OK message.

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

06:48

0

Q: What is sesudo and how i can install it on linux or unix (.deb, .rpm)?

I need to know What is sesudo and how i can install it on linux or unix (.deb, .rpm) ? and also Is there a company that can support sesudo if there is a vulnerability show up ? Thanks In Advance For An Answer That Could Help.

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

07:22

Quick question, who's got the regular 18.04 desktop here ? Does qdbus command work on 18.04 ? Because it fails on server with GUI.

dessert

07:52

@SergiyKolodyazhnyy Lubuntu 18.04 here – how can I test?

but yes, I can’t get it to work – I assume it should print something useful about a qt program like qpdfview?

$ qdbus qpdfview
dbus[7814]: arguments to dbus_message_new_method_call() were incorrect, assertion "destination == NULL || _dbus_check_is_valid_bus_name (destination)" failed in file ../../../dbus/dbus-message.c line 1365.
This is normally a bug in some application using the D-Bus library.

  D-Bus not built with -rdynamic so unable to print a backtrace

it prints this and crashes

RobotHumans

08:27

it just says "endpoint there returns an invalid bus name"

dessert

09:01

forgot the last line :P

Segmentation fault (core dumped)

Fabby

10:20

2

I've always wanted to say this but wasn't able until now: Please welcome the great tit into the AU room!

dessert

10:39

hooray for great tits!

Fabby

The poor little thing (it's a young one) accidentally flew into the house, and was frantically trying to bang its head into the window and fell exhausted to the floor.

Luckily I was able to save it from both the cat and the dog trying to play with it too...

... gave it a breather on my laptop showing Ubuntu background, took a pic...

...and then threw it out of the window...

... and it flew to the nearest tree.

0:-) 0:-) 0:-)

dessert

11:14

Our cat recently caught a woodpecker – it was still young, but its beak looked already dangerous… It wasn’t hurt and flew away vividly as well when we set it free. :)

PerlDuck

11:50

Even when badly hurt animals often don't show that to not expose their vulnerability. Just like humans always responding "I'm fine" when asked ;-)

Fabby

:D

Amith KK

12:33

@Fabby Is that the 17 inch predator xD

Fabby

@AmithKK Yup.

Amith KK

Ah cool

I was wondering, do the fans work fine without PredatorSense?

Or do they not spin up to max when you're on ubuntu

PerlDuck

12:54

I just wrote a post dealing with special keyboard keys like "Volume Up" etc. I used <kbd>Volume Up</kbd> to render them but would actually prefer to use UTF8 symbols, like <kbd>🔉</kbd> and <kbd>🔊</kbd>. Would that be OK or would half of the people simply see garbage instead?

dessert

@PerlDuck well it didn’t lose any blood and was able to fly quite well, I take that as a good sign :)

@PerlDuck make it clear for everybody, e.g. with “press the Volume Down key (<kbd>🔉</kbd>)”

PerlDuck

@dessert Yes, that's the purpose of their behaviour: under no circumstance show any inability.

dessert

@PerlDuck they can’t magically keep their blood in when bitten though

PerlDuck

@dessert Sounds reasonable. But I'll leave it as it is because the VolDn symbol doesn't render the way it does in my editor or terminal (it's too light and almost indistiguishable from the VolUp symbol.

Dunno why they made it light-gray instead of black.

dessert

Emoji

Emoji (Japanese: 絵文字（えもじ）, English: ; Japanese: [emodʑi]; singular emoji, plural emoji or emojis) are ideograms and smileys used in electronic messages and web pages. Emoji exist in various genres, including facial expressions, common objects, places and types of weather, and animals. They are much like emoticons, but emoji are actual pictures instead of typographics. Originally meaning pictograph, the word emoji comes from Japanese e (絵, "picture") + moji (文字, "character"). The resemblance to the English words emotion and emoticon is purely coincidental. The ISO 15924 script code for emoji is...

I don’t think many fonts have a symbol for U+1F509

neither “Ubuntu” nor “Linux Libertine” seems to have it

nor DejaVu

TheWanderer

13:15

stupid Russian SO

always so offended

STOP FLAGGING MESSAGES

Journeyman Geek

erm

the problem isn't that messages are being flagged

TheWanderer

they're never messages that are actually offensive

Journeyman Geek

its that no one else can read them

TheWanderer

I've translated some of them

Journeyman Geek

and some folks know this

TheWanderer

13:16

a lot of the time they're just people asking something that should be asked on the main site

Journeyman Geek

@TheWanderer under there's some other context ;)

ahh

ugh

Even that's dependant on room culture

TheWanderer

it's never a valid reason to flag

Journeyman Geek

I personally discourage it cause a few folks kinda take it too far

I mean, whether its ok, or "eh, knock it off please"

TheWanderer

asking something in chat that would be better suited for main isn't spam or offensive

Journeyman Geek

not flagging

nope

and best handled in the room

TheWanderer

13:18

exactly

hence my STOP FLAGGING MESSAGES :p

Journeyman Geek

hmm

TheWanderer

because none of them know how to do it

Journeyman Geek

are the language SOs on main SE or SO chat servers?

TheWanderer

SE I think

either way, SE rooms get the flag popup

RobotHumans

new reason to push git commits, people pouring fluid on your laptop keyboard. pics to prove it of a fluid flower where I took my laptop and laid it on end, so it could drain. Still not booting (although it has survived this sort of thing before)

PerlDuck

13:28

@dessert TIL: emoticon doesn't mean emotion + icon but picture + character because it stems from Japan. Else we would probably call it pigshark which doesn't make sense.

RobotHumans

emoticon just means unicode smileys for me, but oh well

PerlDuck

Same here. I was just – once again – kidding. The heat, you know, the heat...

Rinzwind

14:23

odd -> askubuntu.com/questions/1062600/…

not the same user it seems :X

Gaurang Tandon

Is there a way to port software from Windows to Ubuntu? I don't want to download all installation files from the internet again

PerlDuck

@GaurangTandon What do you mean by port? Do you want to re-write it?

Rinzwind

@GaurangTandon sure. but it will take a lot less time to download the Ubuntu version of a software :P

Ask Ubuntu Meta

15:20

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Q: Why does an answer appear in "faded" text?

https://askubuntu.com/a/1062602/248158 is currently an accepted answer with three downvotes. It appears "faded" but when my mouse pointer is over the answer, the text appears normal. What does the faded text signify?

support

PerlDuck

16:07

@Zanna I picked up your suggestion and answered the above question. Thank you.

dessert

let me guess, the suggestion was:

> if you see a question, answer it!

PerlDuck

Almost. I made a comment that was basically an answer (or an educated guess, to be honest). And Zanna asked me to make it a real answer.

Zanna

@PerlDuck awesome, thank you

PerlDuck

You're welcome.

@dessert "rendered faded"? I'd say "render faded" or "get rendered faded". However. Someone will fix it if it's wrong.

dessert

@PerlDuck sorry!

PerlDuck

16:19

@dessert Nah, I'm always happy when my English gets corrected.

Zanna

it's fine as it is now "they render faded" or "they get/are rendered faded" are equally good

dessert

… and the latter is what I read in a hurry, exactly

What’s “verschlimmbessern” in English? “To disimprove sth.”?

Zanna

@dessert I do that all the time. Another thing that causes me to make mistakes is where I write half of a sentence, then decide to start this clause in a different way, change the beginning, forget to complete the end, or leave part of the end there that now needs to be removed, and go blithely on the the next clause leaving complete nonsense in my wake

RobotHumans

@dessert degrade would be a good word

dessert

@RobotHumans does “degrade” have the meaning of making it worse while trying to improve something?

Zanna

16:26

there isn't really a word to hand that isn't too strong

degrade is a tricky word... we were talking about that in the other room in relation to an answer

which called GNOME "degrading"

it took me a while to realise this meant GNOME was regressing, getting worse

because the other meaning of degrading was way too loud for me

RobotHumans

@dessert it doesn't have the while trying to improve connotation. there are colloquial expressions for it. like trip over your dick (trying to do something but failing badly)

Zanna

in Raiders of the Lost Downboat, Apr 25 at 21:22, by Eliah Kagan

In this context, and drawing from the linked post, it's pretty clear to me that they mean it in the sense of software operating without providing desired functionality, as in the software-development phrase "degrade gracefully" (meaning to lose functionality in a way that preserves other functionality and avoids hurting the user unnecessarily). But perhaps some readers will interpret it to say that using Nautilus is a personally degrading experience.

I'm going to go out on a non-present limb here and say tripping over your er dick is an... Americanism

RobotHumans

It certainly is an american colloquialism.

Zanna

it wasn't about GNOME (sorry, GNOME) it was about Nautilus

haha there is a cliche here for when you try to fix something after messing it up and make it worse "digging (a hole)"

RobotHumans

same here

Zanna

16:31

but digging is also what you do when looking for bad gossip

but I don't know an expression for trying to improve something and actually ruining it

RobotHumans

could come up with one. "He really added too much salt to that" would intuitively mean overdid it and messed it up

Zanna

oh sure, we can also improvise expressively on the theme XD

Rinzwind

@Fabby telegraaf.nl/video/2393309/hongerige-python-verslindt-duif >:)

PerlDuck

16:46

@Zanna That's called an Anacoluthon. And I usually enjoy it.

Zanna

hahaha thanks!

PerlDuck

17:08

:-) I stumbled upon that term by accident and remembered it because a colleague of mine very often uses that figure (not on purpose, I guess) and when I read that definition I thought "Yes, this exactly describes his way of talking". Sometimes hard to follow if you don't know him but I take it as an expression of authenticity, which I like.

Seth

@Zanna tbh I think GNOME is kinda degrading. or at least the attitude of the devs

it's a lot of "oh you don't need this" and then "we know better" when people complain

but maybe that's just me.

Rinzwind

I has always been like that with gnome. Unity masked us from it for a couple of years

and now they are throwing it all on extenstions. Remove from base, someone else will make an extension.

TheWanderer

EXTEND

Rinzwind

@TheWanderer no it is EXTERMINATE

Dalek - EXTERMINATE!

►

see ^

TheWanderer

there's a new machine coming

:p

EXTERMINATE DELETE EXTEND

the JavaBots

Zanna

17:20

@Seth that's how I feel about Apple and why I won't use anything they make

well, one of the reasons XD

Rinzwind

Overinflated pricing is my reason :=)

Zanna

that's definitely a good reason

Rinzwind

even if I was a millionaire ... no apple products :=)

Zanna

same

Seth

@Zanna That's fair. I agree. Although they're also the most privacy conscious tech company so far, which has made me consider switching some day.

Zanna

17:24

hmm

PerlDuck

@Rinzwind When I first gave my mom a computer (some 10-15 yrs ago) a friend of mine (who did the same to his father a few yrs before) said, the ~~problem~~ challenge isn't the computer. It's the after sales support.

Rinzwind

@PerlDuck I am the after sales support for my mother :+)

PerlDuck

Today, my collegues tell me they gave an Apple to their parents and don't get called for support because everything simply works.

TheWanderer

iPads are done well

iPhones are meh

macOS is just a mess

Rinzwind

And then there is the design by Apple. They remove the standard USB not by removing it but by covering the exit with plastic cover.

PerlDuck

17:27

@Rinzwind Same for me, but sometimes it's annoying. When I talk about a context menu and she talks about a gray box randomly appearing.

Rinzwind

@PerlDuck LOL Been there. Done that.

I had an annoying issue 2weeks ago. Wireless got removed from the kernel. Still don't know why but had re-add the module

Mum can't live w/o internet anymore :D

Zanna

who can?

Rinzwind

she did 2 years ago :P

PerlDuck

I think that's what sons (and daughters) must go through. Other people I would yell at and say "You wanted a computer, so live with it!" but hey, it's my mom.

Zanna

when you sit there suppressing impulses to say "why are you... why don't you... you know, you can..." so you can stay focussed on the real issue :)

Rinzwind

17:31

I had a 1 year profitable period: 100 euro for a complete windows re-install or Ubuntu for free with a 1 time 50 euro introduction course

PerlDuck

@Rinzwind Same for mine. She even orders online without my assictance. I'm so proud :-)

Rinzwind

only 1 person paid me 200 euro in 1 year seriously messing up his windows

Zanna

@Rinzwind lol

Rinzwind

there are 9 households in this flat using Ubuntu >:=D

and I hardly hear them complain about issues. Most are on 16.04 so soon I am going to upgrade them. I have a mail ready for them to upgrade D:

I now all the passwords of all their wireless networks :-X

all of them are 64 letters with the last 2 changed _O-

PerlDuck

My mom still has Vista. I'd love to move her to Ubuntu but she keeps asking "And what about my games? Will they still work?"

Rinzwind

17:35

My mom told me she did not want to deal with virusses as her friends always complain about

TheWanderer

what games run on Vista?

Rinzwind

ha my mom does not play games :D

PerlDuck

Simple 3-match or card games. She once bought a CD with "The 100 greatest Vista Games".

Zanna

haha I used to play Minesweeper

Rinzwind

only at work :=D

PerlDuck

17:46

There used to be a cheat in Minesweeper. Some pixel in one of the corners changed its colour to indicate a bomb.

Damn. Almost 8 PM. The current temperature (31.5 ~~centigrades~~ degrees) suggests otherwise. Need to prepare food.

Zanna

yum

dessert

@PerlDuck programs as simple as that run smoothly in Wine in my experience, you could try that on your machine or (better) with a LiveCD

Wine FTW!

everybody’s always whining about it (lol), but I think it’s great

Rinzwind

18:03

nah. wine should be erased from humanity :=)
if you want to use windows software install windows I say >:)

Zanna

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Q: Can't disable Alt+Grave in 16.04

I have two situations: One - where I have alt-grave set. If alt-grave is in use on my keyboard settings, it will set 2 rules according to CompizConfig. If I disable Rotate Cube rules. Nothing changes. I still can't use the rule for my own desires. Two - where I remove the rule that I do not ...

unity keyboard shortcut-keys ccsm

4

Q: How can I disable the Alt+` (backtick) key combination

I was wondering if there was anyway to disable the Alt+` key combination that switches the windows of a program. I've tried going through CompizConfig and disabling the Switcher there with no luck. I've even disabled every single key combination in dconf-editor in the keybinding category to no ...

shortcut-keys

same question, no answers...

anyone know of an answered one? or a solution?

Zanna

18:19

found this one

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

19:14

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Q: Apache phpinfo missing cURL and XDebug after upgrade

I just upgraded to Ubuntu 18.04.1 LTS and went to check on my local apache2 installation by adding phpinfo() to an index file. I do not see an entry for cURL or for XDebug. Here's what I did: Again, I checked phpinfo() and no curl or xdebug options are shown. I went to /etc/php/7.1/apache2/...

ubuntu php curl

Fabby

21:26

@AmithKK They work normally with .pm-utils

(sorry, was out)

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Cookies op telegraaf.nl en andere TMG websites en apps

Screw them. I want to enable scripts but no cookies.

;-)

Sergiy Kolodyazhnyy

21:53

@dessert Eh, just run qdbus in terminal and see if it returns any error. But LXDE isn't quite what I need, though

Husnain Raza

22:40

for ubuntu;s document viewer for pdfs, is there a way to change the default dual page view?

TheWanderer

23:44

askubuntu.com/review/low-quality-posts/865321

hue

RobotHumans

easiest review audit ever

TheWanderer

I think I need to reinstall Ubuntu...

but I really don't want to

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