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12:03 AM
hope my answer is now not to bad :) and now I'll hit the pillow
good night folks
 
Nighy night...
 
 
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4:39 AM
Yet another meta post in the making: askubuntu.com/posts/985039/revisions
 
5:06 AM
@TheWanderer can I flag a Play Store review if it says "You ****" in it?
It's translated from Italian.
 
5:31 AM
@muru ...
 
5:53 AM
I was having an error libpython2.7.so.1.0 could not be found when trying to call swift, I did locate libpython2.7.so.1.0 nothing shows
 
6:24 AM
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Q: Why does my shell script not execute sequentially? (might be imagemagick?)

soundssilverI made a simple bash shell script to perform three imagemagick commands on every file in a directory. I did not use & nor | to make each command run concurrently. #!/bin/bash jpg="$1/*.jpg" jpeg="$1/*.jpeg" JPG="$1/*.JPG" png="$1/*.png" #convert to png to_png() { for file in $jpg; do mogri...

 
:O :O :O
Oh my!
Gimp is using 8.1 GB of memory.
I guess working with a multilayer 7111x4000 image uses lots of RAM.
"Failed to fork"
This is why forking doesn't make much sense to me.
I only have 16 GB of RAM.
And of course, no swap.
 
6:53 AM
Managed to get the Unity3D editor running in Arch.
 
 
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9:56 AM
@muru :P
 
 
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11:04 AM
@NathanOsman reviews containing curses are supposed to get removed automatically, so yes
 
 
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1:00 PM
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Q: BLE with Bluez in Ubuntu

Sore KamsI am working on BLE using BLuez-5.46. I have two PC Master and slave communicating to each other via BLE. The slave advertises and the Master sends the connection and protocol request. My problem is now I would like to know which function receives the requests being sent from the master in the s...

 
 
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2:07 PM
Hi all!
 
hello @DavidFoerster :)
 
@terdon: Could you please send a super-ping or the likes to askubuntu.com/users/769225/hemangi-pithava? He or she made various edit suggestions that format natural-language names of technical artefacts as code.
…and it's getting annoying to clean up the edit suggestions since they often do contain worthwhile changes.
 
@DavidFoerster Just leave them a comment. Editors are pingable if you @ping them on the post they've edited. The name doesn't autocomplete, but the notification is sent.
 
@terdon Oh, I didn't know that. Thanks!
 
@DavidFoerster Yeah, I dunno why it doesn't autocomplete.
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A: How do comment @replies work?

GnomeYou can use @name syntax anywhere in your comment to reply to a specific user. This will notify that user in their global inbox. There can also be notification through email if you set it up in the preferences found in your profile page. Who can be notified with this feature? The author of th...

> Any user who has a visible (non-deleted) comment on the post.
 
2:19 PM
What does at do when the computer is suspended at execution time? Does it behave like cron or like anacron?
 
@dessert: Good question. I think the easiest way to answer that is an experiment.
@dessert: My expected result would be that it runs at the earliest possible time to be consistent with the behaviour for jobs scheduled to run in the past. From the manual: “If you specify a job to absolutely run at a specific time and date in the past, the job will run as soon as possible.”
 
@DavidFoerster That's what I'd expect too, but the manpage doesn't mention this exact case… Unfortunately I'm not able to test it at the moment.
This one doesn't answer it:
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Q: Run at command when computer is sleeping

edward torvaldsI want to schedule a job using at command, but my laptop may have gone to sleep by that time. So the question is will that command will be executed? If yes, how? I mean will my computer will wake and than the command will run or something else? If not, why not?

 
I don't think it runs at all.
at will run at a specific time. If the computer is off, atd will never see that time so it shouldn't run at all.
 
2:36 PM
OK, I'll investigate the matter and add a question with an answer.
 
Hello everybody :)
 
@cl-netbox Hi!
 
@dessert Good afternoon :)
 
@terdon: I'm not sure. at could easily implement that commands that should have run already will run now instead to catch up.
 
@DavidFoerster I hope not. If I tell my machine to run something at a specific time, I want it to run at that time and not whenever it feels like.
 
2:38 PM
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Q: Can't Connect Ubuntu Over VPN on VirtualBox, But CAN Connect Debian

JakeSo I've recently installed both Ubuntu 16.04 and Debian 9 (Stretch) as guest machines on VirtualBox on a Windows 10 host. Both are able to connect to the internet just fine when I'm not on VPN (updates, web browsers, etc.). However, when I connect to VPN, which both VM's show that they are connec...

 
Hmm, looks like it will run now if you give it a time in the past:
   If you specify a job to absolutely run at a specific time and  date  in
   the  past, the job will run as soon as possible.  For example, if it is
   8pm and you do a at 6pm today, it will run more likely at 8:05pm.
 
@terdon One could easily frame that differently: I hope so. When I tell my machine to run something, I want it to be run no matter what.
@terdon I mentioned that and the manual quote before.
 
@DavidFoerster Sure. But I wouldn't use at with a specific time for that. I'd use anacron or sleep && command or whatever.
@DavidFoerster Ah sorry
 
@terdon I understand where you come from. The question is whether at interprets job times as “at (almost) exactly this time and only then” or “at the earliest possible time but no earlier than the given time”.
 
I would expect it to interpret it as at the exact time given since that's what I feel like it's been designed for.
Sounds like a good question for the site though! Either here or U&L.
 
2:42 PM
@terdon My thought exactly.
 
Oh, by the way, I was very pleased to see you over at Bioinformatics! :)
 
Good afternoon to you @DavidFoerster and terdon :)
 
oh good you're alive @terdon :p
 
@dessert: You're welcome to quote that in your question.
 
@ThomasWard Was that in question? Did I miss a meeting?
 
2:44 PM
@cl-netbox: Hiho!
 
@terdon nope, but there's something you might be interested in seeing over in the secret areas
 
Hi Thomas ! :) secret areas ? are they dark and evil @ThomasWard ? :D
 
@cl-netbox Depends. Can you avoid diamonds zipping around in mid-air at 98.6% of lightspeed :P
 
@terdon Then it might please you to hear that I wrote my own q-gram text index for similarity searches to enter in a competition in a bio-informatics tutorial during my studies.^^
 
@ThomasWard :D :D :D
 
2:47 PM
@DavidFoerster Nice!
 
@terdon I came in a close 2nd out of ~10 in the entire contest but this specific submission was 1st by a big margin.
I was the only contestant to consider memory-mapped files which significantly lowered the amount of system calls without the need to load the entire index into memory.^^
 
Well done!
 
@DavidFoerster Will do, thanks!
 
3:09 PM
@terdon @DavidFoerster maybe it's XY after all: I wonder how I can run a command at 18:30 every day, but if the computer is off I want it to run asap when it's on again. cron will fail to do the latter, so I thought about using anacron with period=1 and at 18:30 – or is there a better way?
 
@dessert sounds like an XY problem. I'd have two rules in Cron though - one for @reboot and one for a time-specific command.
 
@dessert I don't think there's a proper solution because your problem is so far underspecified. For instance, what should happen when the job scheduler misses two or more invocations of the job.
 
^ this, as well
 
Package management . Is a simple enough idea . A database and adding and removing files to a file system . Now dependency hell is used to make all kinds decisions . A dependency is program that another program or part of one as its self . So that is what i'd like to talk about , what is the best solution to the software manger crises
 
@FireInTheSky What software manager crises? What are your criteria for "the best solution"?
 
3:15 PM
Dependency hell and the move to snaps and having an nonfunctional software manger gui for the last few years
 
I don't see a relation between the former and the latter. One is a conceptual issue, the other a presentation issue.
 
It is functional issue and they are the parts of the machine , Ubuntu being the machine in it totality
 
Sure, the presentation happens to be of that very concept but its an independent problem.
@FireInTheSky So you want to discuss how to "fix" your issues with Ubuntu as a whole? I thought you wanted to debate abstract conceptual issues of package management.
 
It has dependency , by its very definition is can not be classified as independent .
Either way it be the same answer
 
Fixing dependency hell and fixing a software management user interface implementation are two very different although related things.
Like I said, one is an abstract problem, one is a presentation and implementation problem.
Afaik, nobody came up with an ideal solution to the former so far.
 
3:21 PM
@FireInTheSky What do you mean with dependency hell ? simply let apt do the job ! :)
 
That is a mistake based on a backwards ordering of events . No dependency = no user interface .
Yes it is multi faceted problem
 
The concrete issue with Software Center appears to be that its developers haven't managed to integrate the presentation of Apt and Snap packages next to each other all that well yet. However, both Apt and Snap work quite well next to each other when used through their command-line user interfaces.
@FireInTheSky: On another note, you're a prime example of the joke "How do you spot a vegan?"
 
To start with performances issues prevent most people from using it in the first place
 
…and I say that as someone who is or at least strives to be one.
 
@DavidFoerster Software Center is a "nice tool to have" ... just for "looking around" and exploring stuff ... but for software management I recommend to use the command line @FireInTheSky . :)
 
3:26 PM
Did i tell you i'm vegan . Have you herd the good news , Jesus your lord and savoir
 
@cl-netbox: Agreed. Ubuntu Software is good for beginners and simple situation but it's not a great software management tool.
@FireInTheSky In fact, you did – with your profile picture.
 
That is awesome , yeah i can give you advice about veganism that knock you socks off your head
 
@FireInTheSky I don't wear socks on my head, only my fool’s cap.
 
Can make honey by boiling sugar and apple juice
 
3:30 PM
@FireInTheSky I wouldn't call that "honey" though.
 
Honey is vegan , plants make it . Bees eat it and vomit it in to their nest
 
@FireInTheSky Beef is vegan. Plants make it. Cows eat plants and transform them into beef.
 
What you call honey is fungus , bee hairs , poo , wee , dead babys and the eldery who died from the smoke who could not flee in time not to suffocate on the smoke , smoke and mold and dust mites and parsites
 
That too, but mostly sugar.
 
I don't know that is in apple juice that stops sugar from recrystallising and making honey but it does . It taste alot better because it does not have bee we and bee body pats and hairs and fungus and such in it
 
3:34 PM
You can taste those? I'm officially impressed.
 
It takes 1 minute to make try it i promise you it will blow your mind . It thickens alot when it cools so don't worry if it looks too runny
 
I don't see anything inherently bad with bee body parts or fungi though.
I don't like sweets.
 
Eh... now guess how apple juice is made though
 
@ByteCommander: Yeah, I was starting to think about that too. Same for the sugar that goes into this mix.
Can we agree that biology is generally gross when you think about it superficially?
 
The honey you buy in store is filtered , honey get from an avairy is dark colored and smells dark and damp. It taste like crap .
 
3:37 PM
People pick up apples of all qualities from the dirty ground, throw them onto a truck and drive them somewhere where they splash some water over them and then shred and press the whole things, including all brown parts and worms inside.
 
@FireInTheSky What's an "avairy"? If you mean bee hives from a bee keeper, I disagree. I ate honey pretty much straight from the comb on multiple occasions at it tastet good.
 
I strive to eat only what I call “honest meat”: meat of animals I raised and butchered with my own hands.
 
Glucose is not the only thing that can make ATP , but it is the only thing the body can control and is water soluble . Fructose is more of drug over a certain amount and if i'm going to do nay drugs , it do nector first before resorting to more extream things
 
@DavidFoerster apiary ;p
 
@dessert Now we finally know that you are a "professional farmer" ... :D
 
3:41 PM
@JourneymanGeek Ah, good to know. I didn't know that word and similarity searches only pointed me to "aviary".
@cl-netbox My grandparents kept and butchered animals but they were no professional farmers.
 
Point of order: glucose does not "make" ATP. It is a substrate used in the glycolytic cycle which, among other things, produces ATP.
 
@cl-netbox more like a (wanna-be) self-supplier
 
Well is must be on some mind controlled place because , it is normally very dark with all kind horrors . Have dust on the wings , have the dust mites on them and other parities and nits , they fart and poo and wee and die and the hives are artificial and dark and damp and moldy . The honey is dam near pitch black full of crap
 
@FireInTheSky You do realize that you yourself consist mostly of little ones and their “poo”?
 
@FireInTheSky The apiaries in my parents’ and parents’ friends’ gardens contained no visible mould when I saw them open.
 
3:43 PM
@DavidFoerster something I appreciate much ! :)
@dessert anyway, a quite good approach ... :)
 
I strive to do no unnecessary harm to others , if i cna can my metanine amino acid fro protein syntheies from some where other then my grand mothers face , i will . Every thing contains all amino acids acids .
 
@cl-netbox Afaik, most people with large enough properties did that after WW2 in Germany to substitute their diets.
 
Glycolysis . I find it easiest to learn through song and dance
 
@DavidFoerster sad enough that the younger generations seem to have lost interest and instead praise "bio and vegan" food. :)
 
@cl-netbox I think so too – and in these times I don't see why I should sacrifice my money to a bank instead of investing it in land that nourishes me and my family and is a much more stable investment…
 
3:48 PM
Thee is great song on youtube called glycolysis by a biology teacher
 
@dessert a really nice attitude ... and a reasonable decision ! :)
 
@cl-netbox Unfortunately, neither solves the ecological problems that large scale stock farming causes. (By "large scale" I mean overall, not per farming business.)
 
Like you said a bull is made of grass . so you can eat every thing , so why be cruel . Don;t be cruel to a heart that is cruel , listen to the spirit of elvis , he died for your sins
 
@DavidFoerster true - sad but true :(
 
I meant "organic" meat only. Obviously veganism solves the problem of stock farming. :-D
 
3:52 PM
all meat is organic
even SoyLent
 
Dr elsworth is a vegan open heart surgin who retired at 98 years old . Belive it or not most intelligent people are are . You will strugle finding any body in the sciences that is not vegans . Obliviously not in the department of dairy and meat sciences . Some day there will be a department of strawberry and banana
 
snort
 
@terdon And here in 2017 Poettering tried to argue that because it would remove .. and shouldn't implement that security in systemD's reimplementation of rm.
Multiple things wrong with that.
 
I don't think I've ever met a vegan scientist. I'm sure there will be some, but it certainly isn't particularly common. Or, at least, not in my field (biology).
@Seth Wait, they reimplemented rm too? Sheesh!
 
@terdon Yep. And if it got used wrong it would remove .. And Poettering didn't care.
oi!I just noticed. HATS!!
 
3:55 PM
wowwwww
@Seth thee is behind the times. lol
 
@ThomasWard indeed
 
@FireInTheSky “most intelligent people are [vegans].” [Citation needed]
 
@Seth you has pings elsewhere for your awareness :0
 
@ThomasWard oh right
 
@Seth PINGG
 
3:57 PM
@Seth and now you have an invitation to play PONG :P
 
@Seth Dude, don't show ignorance in front of the children!
 
literally every single one of these hats is a reused design... I am disappoint.
 
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Q: A Moose, Some Silly Putty ... And A Desperate Plea For Help

Tim PostDue to a rather unfortunate series of events that can be directly attributed to a surplus of egg nog, the company that provides our hat rentals has requested that we immediately return them without refund. We can't really get into the particulars of what went down, but we did our best to explain ...

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that's ~62 people
and at least 5 are from BCE
 
4:00 PM
Wow. Not a lot of intelligent people out there, are there?
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And when did random youtube videos with no sources, evidence or anything at all become "citations"? Damn, I keep missing these important meetings!
 
kek
 
@terdon *snort*
 
scathing terdon
 
4:02 PM
That is most intelligent people . Eeistein was so smart only Einstein could understand einstein and when people asked Eisteisn if he could understand him self he said no , proving Einstein is the smartest man
 
@FireInTheSky Actually, by your own rather circular argument, that would suggest that Einstein was an idiot.
 
eh... what
 
" Eeistein was so smart only Einstein could understand einstein" but he couldn't understand himself. If you can't understand yourself, you're a bit of a moron, really.
 
what a dumb argument @FireInTheSky
I'm sorry but it's ridiculous
just because Einstein was smart means no one else is?
being intelligent isn't like being pregnant
you can only be pregnant or not, but you can be more or less intelligent
 
@TheWanderer Why, if you're pregnant does that mean nobody else is? :P
 
4:05 PM
How do you know Einstein is the smartest if you do not understand .
 
lol
@FireInTheSky you said he was
 
@FireInTheSky We don't. You are the one who said he was the smartest.
 
How can nay body be the smartest , because it means other people can not understand . It is an oxymoron in the first place
 
@FireInTheSky I can't even parse that.
 
@terdon chuckles
 
4:12 PM
You have to know if some body is smarter and to know that : you have to be smart enough to know that .
 
So you can only know if someone is smarter than you if you are smarter than them?
 
Is the answer correct or not . Well you have to know it to prove it . There for you are just as smart
 
I'm the pregnantest of y'all!
 
@FireInTheSky I thing you mixed up a few things here. People usually try to prove things so they can then know the proven property. If you already know about a property, that implies it has been proven.
@dessert Mirror, mirror on the wall…
 
If some body says some body else is smarter , can they prove that and by proving that they just proved it false . It will allways be false
 
4:16 PM
@DavidFoerster ... I'm the weirdest of them all.
@FireInTheSky what you state is a paradox. :P
 
I am wondering what your discussion generally is about and what you are trying to tell us @FireInTheSky ...
 
@FireInTheSky What's the criterion for "smarter"? Afaik there's not even a generally accepted definition of "intelligence".
 
@DavidFoerster exactly David ! :)
 
hey guys, I'm facing some weird issue say i ran that command "swift build" and it says that permission is needed, so when I do "sudo swift build" it says command swift not found, so I ran sudo su then update the .profile by set the swift variables then source it and still facing the same issue
 
@ThomasWard and the most darkest too ... :D :D :D
 
4:20 PM
too true :p
 
@Lamar Throwing around sudo without knowing why often leads to permission issues like that in the first place. I recommend that you open a question and include the exact commands that you ran, their full, verbatim output and the permissions of all the files that the commands may try to fruitlessly access (e. g. with ls -l).
 
@DavidFoerster @terdon Just tried it, at does execute the command approx. 1 min after resuming even if it's behind schedule then.
 
@dessert Great find!
Y’all need more hats. I don't see nearly enough in here.
Oh, there are more than I saw at first. Many wear them subtly.
 
@DavidFoerster Not sure whether a correspondent question would be best suited for AU or rather U&L – what do you think?
@DavidFoerster Mine is an ice spoon. :)
 
@dessert Y’ar ah unico’n, dessert.
 
4:24 PM
@dessert No way! Really?
@dessert You look like Cartman with a sword.
 
huh, so that's what the chat socket shows in raw form when something is starred.
 
@terdon honestly!
 
iiinteresting.
@DavidFoerster what bait?
there never was any bait.
 
@ThomasWard Huh?
 
@DavidFoerster This has just concluded the intelligence test.
 
4:26 PM
@dessert yes :)
 
Congratulations, you did not pass.
yawns
urgh boredom
 
@DavidFoerster Don't worry. if you didn't understand it, that means you're smarter than he is.
 
@ThomasWard It's fine. I'm happy the way I am. ;-D
@terdon lol
 
@terdon ಠ_ಠ
 
@ThomasWard Haven't you been following the discussion? :P
Sorry, "discussion".
 
4:29 PM
@KazWolfe How wonderful I'm not impacted :P
 
@ThomasWard Ah, good. Now that you have your reading glasses on, go back and read the transcript.
 
what the hell is going on here..
 
@IanC insanity 101.
it happens from time to time.
 
lol
"Ooops, we are trying to do our best to restore sanity on the page!" image of a cute penguim with a toolbox
 
oops sorry
 
4:41 PM
@IanC Error 418
 
I wonder why I didn't get the “This Is Fine” hat (see here). I'm easily deleting 10 of my own comments per month during clean-ups.
 
What with the boobs
 
@FireInTheSky What boobs?
 
Must be a face
 
( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)
 
4:44 PM
What is with the kitten
 
@FireInTheSky http.cat
 
Any way it is established , it is impossible to say some body is smarter . For all you know they are insane unless can prove they aint and to do that is to prove are just as smart
 
what a big fallacy
 
The latitude of cupcakes is more balloon-like than squirrels.
 
Prove it . Just saying so don't make it so , that is a fallacy .
 
4:49 PM
I'd like to, but I used my last squirrel to make my screwdriver blue.
 
terdon , you stating the obvious aint you , you must dabble in a bit of biology too
 
@FireInTheSky Yeah, I "dabble" a bit in biology.
 
@terdon you should always keep a reserve squirrel
 
@IanC Well, I know that now!
 
Well use cabbage next time , you inefficiencies are disturbing
 
4:53 PM
Tell me about it. . .
 
Ohhh nice fractal :)
 
@Videonauth Have you ever seen one of those things? They're relatively common in France, and the first time I saw one in a super market I had to go and get my girlfriend so she could confirm I wasn't hallucinating.
Romanesco Broccoli.
Better than bacon!
 
Yes i seen it already, i love how nature is confirming man made theories
 
4:57 PM
Good source of omega 3 . Taste like crap but you can live on it
 
Anyone has worked doing graphics work for printing? Like flyers, folders, etc?
 
@IanC Posters.
And to answer the next question: LaTeX
 
The conversation is better dependency management . First premise is no one is smarter then me , now we got that proof locked down solid , we may continue
 
@terdon I've worked on a folder in Gimp, using an A4 template (300dpi). Client asks for PDF file, but obviously the high resolution ends up cropping the text on the PDF file unless you zoom in. I think a laser print would print the details so it doesn't look bad on paper, but a regular printer would result in a cropped impression?
@terdon I'm not sure what the question would be here lol
 
@IanC The answer to anything about creating documents to be printed is: use LaTeX :P
@IanC Dunno, sorry.
 
5:03 PM
Linux file structure and naming conventions .
Linux file structure is set up like the person who posted that kitten in tea pots head
Skip details and go logic . The system shares files . Called dependencies . These are different version of the same document full of machine instructions called a source file
 
@terdon it's alright, I'll ask the guy if he wants the PDF for printing or for sending online, if it's the latter I'll have to scale down the resolution anyways
if it's for printing, then I'll have to figure that out lol
 
So a document with machine instructions will do one thing and will do it good
 
Sop a program uses all these documents as part of it self and that is called dependency hell because when update those documents change
Nothing a bit of vegan honey can not fix , increase you carb load
 
@IanC What do you mean the text is cropped during conversion to PDF? Shouldn't GIMP produce raster images anyway which circumvents all further font rendering issues? Do you haven an illustrative example?
300 dpi is not enough for a good print btw. 600 dpi are common for that.
 
5:16 PM
So with these dependency documents : a foot is a foot and an arm is an arm . Feed in to it the size and shapes and colours etc and it out puts the code for that object
 
@FireInTheSky You sound more and more like a Markov chain generator but I can't figure out its seed for the life of me.
 
@DavidFoerster It rasterized the image, but the resolution is so dense that visualizing the image/document on a regular screen gets some details a little hard edged. It's expected, and "solved" by just zooming in, but I was worried if the guy tried to print it on a printer that didn't support a high dpi, if the hard edges would still be there
because I don't think I'll be there on the printing phase, I'm just delivering the image
 
@IanC In that case I suggest that you scale the image, that you use to make the PDF, up and apply any filters that you need to make the edges appear the way you want. Then you can be relatively sure that the artefacts won't reoccur when the image is sampled down again for printing.
Doubling the resolution should be enough.
That method is called "super-sampling" btw.
 
Yeah i aint big on probability . 1+ 1 is exact . As for inherent limitations in measurements , that is out side the scope the dependability problem
I am saying a hair is hair and dog is a dog . their can be many different dogs but their is an algorithm for what a dog is . Same with mammal .
 
Yep. Definitely a Markov chain generator seeded with words related to the most recent topics.
 
5:28 PM
Do elaborate
 
@DavidFoerster I'll try to send a big image here, not sure if it'll work. The edgeness is due to the high resolution image being rendered in a smaller resolution, I'm not sure doubling the resolution could help
wut, it's rendering fine here
 
@IanC I wouldn't say that. There are quite a bunch of easily visible aliasing artefacts on the text.
Which anti-aliasing setting did you choose in GIMP? Does the same issue occur with other font?
 
That is why you should be programmer because i makes no difference if are one , still have to learn it all to be able to do things ,
 
Hello @RobotHumans!
 
Ohai!!. How are you?
 
5:35 PM
That's how it looked here, a bit worse than the last one
@DavidFoerster it's all on default I guess, didn't mess with any antialiasing setting
 
Hi RobotHumans
 
@IanC Can you send me the GIMP-XCF file? Maybe I can spot the issue.
 
Define 'Markov chain'
 
@DavidFoerster Sure, but I only wrote some text and filled some circle selections on a A4(300dpi) template image
and used this font: 1001fonts.com/zing-font.html
Zing Rust Script Rust
 
Don't go stupid doing it , keep away from probably crap , it aint real numbers for get it . Or is it essential , because every thing shape is a circle ?
 
5:45 PM
@IanC I know that I can easily recreate a similar image but the point of this exercise is to spot what you may have done differently than I would.
 
where can I send it to?
 
@IanC You can upload it some generic file sharing service and post the link here.
 
@DavidFoerster ufile.io/oehl6
 
There is no true circle in the universe , but saying that is wrong because all matter is a circle . any thing that is not matter is radiation . So the definition of a circle is a repeating path , is returning back to the original place in time and space . But if it is moving then it is not circle it is a spiral . When it stops it is again a circle . Any shape at all is a circle
 
@IanC The source of the artefacts here is the font which uses straight line segments instead of curves to approximate arcs. You can see the issue in the font collection sample PDF too if you enlarge it to 800%.
Is that the same font as in the actual graphic in question?
Because other than that I can't spot any artefacts in the sample graphic.
 
6:01 PM
@DavidFoerster Yes, Zing Rust Script Rust, the same font I'm using on the image I'll deliver
so there's nothing to do except changing the font? It looks fine on Gimp, only noticed those issues when exporting the final image and opening it without zooming to 100% (or close to it)
 
Is that also the kind of artefacts that you get in your graphic or are there other issues?
@IanC I think so. I can see the issue in GIMP as well if I zoom in closely.
 
no issues besides this little hard edgeness, I thought it was more related to the zoom itself since the circles also show the same issue
 
My mom just called with her granddaughter, my niece, on her arm who, she says, looked perplexed when she heard me greet her through the phone. :-D
@IanC I looked at the circles too but the aliasing there looks different and much smoother. On the font glyphs you can see actual "corners" while the circles just exhibit the typical (smoothed) jagged edges.
 
So artifact is a synonym for is crap .
 
@FireInTheSky "Artefact" literally means "a product of craftsmanship".
 
6:10 PM
Can you elaborate
 
@IanC The aliasing around the circles can be alleviated through super-sampling, the aliasing around the font glyphs cannot because it is a flaw in the font design that would scale together with an increased sampling rate.
@FireInTheSky I don't know. How does that make you feel?
 
Made by man , that is stating the obvious , but men was created by money and monkey by mumps . So it is a bit broad and sexist
 
@DavidFoerster Oh, I see what you mean now, but this wasn't showing on the original image because the font-size there was much smaller, so the straight lines weren't really noticeable. But you're right, that's a big issue with the font if it's needed on very large font-sizes
@DavidFoerster that's cute, how old is she?
 
@IanC around 2½ years old.
 
jrg
BREAKING: The FCC just voted to dismantle #netneutrality. This represents a radical departure that risks erosion of the biggest free speech platform the world has ever known.
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It was nice knowing all of you fine internet people.
Wanted to say that before my ISP throttles this site down to nothing.
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6:18 PM
@jrg Hi James ! :)
 
jrg
Hi @cl-netbox!
 
@jrg starred your post :)
 
jrg
thanks.
 
@jrg When I hear "more freedom" my first question is always "for whom?"
 
@jrg I believe it's just economic warfare against hulu and netflix, but will creep slowly in to other areas over time because corruption. I participated in the mail your congressmen and H of R people, and I have one response to prove it. But, uh, I should have gotten more responses than that.
 
6:20 PM
Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers must treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application,
 
@RobotHumans Yep. The live example I've heard for that is Portugal which doesn't have net neutrality and no affordable fast general internet access, only bundles of various individual internet-based services that you can buy.
And that's even though Portugal doesn't have regional internet access provider monopolies.
 
I can understand charging someone a % of their bottom-line profits for keeping the site around, but that would require everyone opening their books and cable companies taking a slice of everyone's profits. It has scary implications for FOSS downloads and open source free to non-commercially use, but I do understand the corporate warfare for profit margins.
But then a shitty paying cable company could determine the pay rate of a SE admin. Which is shit. If people were just moral...
 
@RobotHumans Isn't that overly complicated and backwards? The access providers could easily charge their consumers for… well… internet access. Why go through the content providers?
 
Because the US already pays more per person in most of the first world for poorer service. And it's just my opinion that the effort was just a fight because everyone is cancelling their cable TV and just watching hulu, netflix, or amazon prime.
 
jrg
@RobotHumans Yup
 
6:26 PM
@RobotHumans That doesn't answer why access providers don't just charge their customers more. They're causing bandwidth usage, not the content providers.
 
Great. So now we'll have to pay extra for the tech forums "package"
 
The only feasible explanation I can come up with is that access provider believe that they can get content providers to pay up more easily than their own customers.
 
@DavidFoerster Because they'ld go out of business. They already know they're charging consumers as much as they can bear, and maintain subscriptions. Here's a local example. AT&T locally streams TV over your DSL connection. Then counts your TVs as bandwidth usage. So, you don't get the service you paid for if you use both at the same time. Shiesty.
It's deplorable.
 
@RobotHumans Why would they go out of business if their consumers paid for the service instead of content providers?
 
I'ld rather have net neutrality, for sure. I'm not arguing against it. I'm just saying I understand it.
Consumers would stop having the internet, because food is more important.
 
6:32 PM
I'm still waiting for package delivery companies to ask for a share of Amazon sales delivered through them on top of the existing postage.
Or alternatively, they charge the recipient in addition to the sender yet keep the sender’s postage the same.
 
UPS already does that
 
They could do that hot editing referral banners
Just think about the dominos. "We'll just charge everyone more than almost everywhere else" then "Everyone goes to coffee shops with free internet" then "Coffee shops can't afford it because it's a feedback loop" then "Why don't we have any subscribers?". It makes it almost worth it just to watch the monopoly burn. I hope the established services can outlast the cable/DSL providers.
 
Well, I'm honestly surprised Comcast hasn't immediately rolled out tiered internet.
 
They already did. They just didn't tell anyone. They already throttle based on where your traffic is going. F/E they throttled my 10MB to steam, and I was lagging in games. Random disconnects and DNS drops because I use 8.8.8.8 etc etc.
 
Both internet providers and mail companies increasingly remind me of a fictional Victorian delivery boy who charges both the sender and the recipient of his deliveries because "the other didn't pay me enough."
 
6:37 PM
Yeah, but they're not selling it yet
 
I found a couple loopholes to keep my connection hot, but they're cheating and will eventually get caught.
 
Yes. What's missing is the delivery boy offering "I will only charge you 3 shillings if I can buy the [thingy] for you at William’s instead of Dunner’s because William gives me 2 shillings for every purchase I direct his way."
 
And I thought my life couldn't get worse.
 
You want to telecommute to save money? Great, your employer has to pay an extra $10/hr for your labor, because remote testing requires a lot of traffic generation. -- just an example.
^^ that part actually does piss me off.
 
6:42 PM
…and then you go "You little rascal! I'll get another boy to do it then." – "No you won't. The boys and I split up our areas and agreed not to compete with each other, so you won't find anybody else."
 
"Oh, and if you think you can get your son to do delivery services, he won't be able to. The stores will only give packages to us, and your son would have to pay us for packages to deliver."
 
^^ same argument.
 
"And your son needs to pay us a lot of money at a time, because we have to handle lots of packages coming to and from him"
 
In Germany telcos intending to add surcharges for individual services have been dubbed "highwaymen".
 
Is it possible to search comments on askubuntu.com/search? is:comment doesn't seem to work…
 
6:45 PM
And this is when we need the preacher from Damnation on the scene...
 
@dessert Don't think so
Google or SEDE
i, uh...
think i just got the moderator hat?
 
@KazWolfe This one is secret – who knows? :)
 
no nevermind
just closing
 
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