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Nathan Osman

1:00 AM

Alright - have at it: daylight.quickmediasolutions.com

It's almost surely broken.

IanC

1:22 AM

@NathanOsman I tried some random values and it said Invalid date (the date was 2017 - 12 - 02)

Seth

Guys. checkout /r/all. It's almost entirely net neutrality posts right now

Nathan Osman

@IanC That's strange. I tried those values and it was able to calculate the values. Are the latitude and longitude values correct?

IanC

@NathanOsman should it work with any latitude/longitude? Right now I just tried 49.89554 Lat -71.75441 Lon

still shows invalid date

Nathan Osman

1:43 AM

Let me try those values.

Also, where are you seeing that error?

In the browser console?

muru

:'(

1

A: Why does man print "gimme gimme gimme" at 00:30?

After some reflection, I've removed this Easter egg. It'll be gone in the upcoming man-db 2.8.0. I'm glad that it made some people smile, which after all was the whole purpose of it, and my Twitter notifications and so on today suggest that most people thought it was more amusing than annoying....

IanC

@NathanOsman on the spot where the times were supposed to be

Nathan Osman

:O

That's not supposed to happen.

Dear me.

Seth

@muru nooooo

IanC

@NathanOsman ^

Nathan Osman

1:52 AM

Thanks for the screenshot.

That helps.

So it must be moment.js that is throwing an error.

Seth

Definitely broken

Nathan Osman

It doesn't work for you either?

Seth

I will point out though that longitude and latitude require a N/S and E/W component that you seem to be missing

(or I'm blind)

Nathan Osman

No, the sign of the number is used for that.

N is + and S is -, for example.

Seth

Ah, fair enough. I've seen that used.

Nathan Osman

1:55 AM

I think the math is right but the timezone is wrong.

Seth

Why no limits though? I'm pretty sure latitude 401 doesn't exist.

@NathanOsman Ok, adjusting to +47, -122 gives output I'd expect.

Nathan Osman

Oh hang on.

Yeah.

The timezone is right but the longitude is wrong :P

It should auto-detect the values when the page first loads too.

Seth

Hmm. Your app says 0720, 1627. DuckDuckGo says 0722, 1624.

I wonder how they're calculating theirs..

Nathan Osman

Let's check Wolfram Alpha.

Seth

Good idea.

Nathan Osman

1:57 AM

Wolfram says 7:23am?

I'm not sure if I entered the correct location.

When you check DuckDuckGo - are you just letting them do GeoIP lookup or are you actually entering coordinates to match my website?

Seth

@NathanOsman Ohh, duh. I'm letting them do GeoIP.

IanC

@NathanOsman no worries, I can take a look in the console here in like 20 minutes, if you think there could be anything useful there!

Nathan Osman

@Seth My website will calculate based on the exact coordinates and DDG may just be using a generic reference point for the IP address range.

Seth

@NathanOsman yeah. Trying with wolfram alpha

@NathanOsman Wolfram gives the same time yours does :D:D

sorry for being a bit of an idiot. I have a raging headache right now and shouldn't be mathing lol

Nathan Osman

No worries.

Seth

2:01 AM

I actually stopped doing important work because I kept messing up and sat down here and messed up haha

I'm glad it works! The design looks great too.

Although geoIP didn't work for me.. MIght be my browser though.

I think that's the first time I've said yes to a location lookup so I really have no idea whether it works at all or not (browser wise)

Nathan Osman

Hmm... yeah. Could be a bug with moment.js.

It seems to have trouble parsing some dates.

And if the date parsing has an issue, it trips up the location code.

Seth

I won't rule out adding something different in the future, albeit with more care! It was getting a bit stale, though, and humour does require novelty. — Colin Watson 16 mins ago

@muru --^

IanC

Deprecation warning: value provided is not in a recognized RFC2822 or ISO format. moment construction falls back to js Date(), which is not reliable across all browsers and versions. Non RFC2822/ISO date formats are discouraged and will be removed in an upcoming major release. Please refer to momentjs.com/guides/#/warnings/js-date for more info.
Arguments:
[0] _isAMomentObject: true, _isUTC: false, _useUTC: false, _l: undefined, _i: 292277026596-12-04 15:30:08 +0000 UTC, _f: undefined, _strict: undefined, _locale: [object Object]

Seth

I don't think easter eggs ever get stale, but at least we might be something different in future.

IanC

^ the error that showed up on the firefox console @NathanOsman

it mentions the date formats

but reading the messages I think you had that in mind already :p

muru

2:18 AM

@Seth sometimes, it's the very familiarity of an Easter egg that makes it so good.

Seth

@muru yes! I wasn't sure how to express it.

Nathan Osman

2:32 AM

@IanC I just pushed a fix.

Do you mind trying it again?

Maybe press shift + f5 to make sure the page is reloaded.

Videonauth

sup?

1k votes in one day, i think thats unprecedented on SE network

IanC

@NathanOsman it works now, using the same values as before :)

Nathan Osman

\o/

Yup, I found the bug then.

Thanks for your help.

IanC

you're welcome!

was it the date format?

gotta go sleep, good night folks!

Nathan Osman

3:13 AM

Yes it was - moment.js was choking on the dates that the Go server was returning.

I switched to using ISO 8601 dates everywhere and it works better now.

Kaz Wolfe

5:12 AM

OH MY GOD

I just witnessed a miracle.

Nathan Osman

Okay, this is funny: gist.github.com/JoshCheek/1224782#gistcomment-51550

@KazWolfe What?

Kaz Wolfe

Linux accepted my non-4k monitor alongside my 4k monitor without too much pain

just xrandr --output HDMI-0 --auto --scale 1.5x1.5 and it worked

Nathan Osman

Impressive.

Kaz Wolfe

tbh im floored right now

Nathan Osman

pats Tux on the head

Kaz Wolfe

5:14 AM

this is the first time hidpi ever actually played nice for me

(well sorta nice. better than normal i should say

Nathan Osman

Also. What is this? gist.github.com/JoshCheek/1224782#file-touch-c-L172

The if() and else if() conditions are... identical?

Kaz Wolfe

gnu is evil

that is all

Nathan Osman

I am starting to see that.

George the Dev

@KazWolfe You mean "GNU/Linux".

Nathan Osman

Lol.

Kaz Wolfe

5:16 AM

god damn it nathan

i mean gnu

Nathan Osman

:P

Seth

5:39 AM

@NathanOsman iirc there's a reason for that.

I was reading the history of some of the seemingly simple GNU utilities and why they're actually more complex then you'd think. I think it was on hackernews but I can't remember now :/

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

6:10 AM

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Q: How do I create a listner on remotely

Please read this question carefully. I have SSH login remotely on a server and I don't have sudo privileges and I want to create a listener on that server. So that any incoming connection should be shown in my console i.e. myname@anyip console. So how do I do?

Videonauth

7:25 AM

@muru if you want i can test your assumption (askubuntu.com/questions/979027/…) in a 16.04 VM

dessert

@Videonauth Please do, if that was there before 17.10 I think we would know. tt7 refers to the graphical session all over AU!

Videonauth

@dessert just installing gnome-desktop on the VM where tty7 for unity is still actual the GUI

dessert

@Videonauth wiki.ubuntuusers.de/GDM/… suggests otherwise!

@Videonauth I just don't think both switches are related, they're just concurring.

Videonauth

sec phone

ok normal 16.04 VM: Unity desktop using lightdm as window manager (tty7 is GUI)

muru

@Videonauth no need, found this:

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Q: Why does GDM run on TTY1 and gnome-shell on TTY2?

I am running Ubuntu Gnome 16.10 with gnome-shell 3.20.4. I usually see my graphic interface run on TTY7. But now (new install) I see GDM run on TTY1 and my graphic interface on TTY2. Why GDM and gnome-shell are separate? And why it's run graphic interface on TTY2 and not in TTY7. It is a wrong co...

tty gdm

Videonauth

7:37 AM

yep but it seems that gnome on 17.04 and earlier not uses gdm3 as window manager and greeter

?

well gnome is installing actually, just the VM is very slow

muru

@Videonauth packages.ubuntu.com/zesty/ubuntu-gnome-desktop says it depends on gdm3

Videonauth

ah ok yes gnome on 16.04 uses gdm too

but you can choose to use gnome desktop with lightdm , at least thats the option i get here

muru

On 16.04 I see a slightly different behaviour: a getty process starts up, but only on TTY1, so GDM goes to TTY7 and my login session then goes to TTY2

I don't know what that getty is starting though, It's not supposed to. :confused:

Videonauth

gnome on lightdm (tty7 for user session, none for the login page)

gnome on gdm3 (user session on tty2, loginscreen at tty7, rest unused)

^cc @muru

so my answer is actually only really valid for 17.10

muru

@Videonauth weird behaviour in 16.04, then. But, as that post shows, this behaviour has been around since 16.10 at least.

Videonauth

7:48 AM

ok

muru

Also, need dupe votes on that. Better answer is here:

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Q: Why is my GDM at a different TTY than my desktop environment?

I am running Ubuntu Gnome 16.10 (64bit). Gnome-shell version 3.20.4. When I start my computer, I eventually see GDM3 offering a login prompt, as expected. After I login, my monitors flash a little (like they're unplugged and then replugged in), and then I am brought to the gnome 3 desktop. ...

tty gdm

Videonauth

but like i said i not installe UbuntuGNOME i installed Gnome DE on top of a previous unity install

muru

@Videonauth me too, that's probably why.

Now back to purging gdm

Videonauth

hehehe i just now reset my VM back to a snapshot i took beforehand :)

have this VM only for reproducing questions

Nathan Osman

I've got many of those.

Videonauth

7:55 AM

yes me too, one 14.04 one 16.04 one 17.04 and one 17.10

this QA is slowly becoming a dumpster fire askubuntu.com/questions/977138/…

@muru btw. i rewrote my answer here

muru

@Videonauth yep, saw that yesterday. Nice work!

11 more upvotes to reversal

Videonauth

i doubt it will get them

took me about 4 hours to assemple this answer in its current state

Videonauth

8:20 AM

I actually have an idea for a question, but i don't dare to ask it on Ask Ubuntu due to fear it becomes a dumpster fire and as well not sure if its answerable

muru

@Videonauth :shrug: ask anyway

Videonauth

well its about efi and how to create the MBR so that i can boot on legacy systems as well on efi systems

and im not talking about using any tool-xy for it, i want to know how to create it by hand

when this hasnt been asked yet, i gladly write it

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

8:50 AM

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Q: Linux Router for One Application using iptables

I have 3 machines: Router 192.168.229.4 Server 192.168.229.2 Client 192.168.229.3 on the server there is a TCP file server running on port 1234. I want to redirect all the client-server-client traffic via the router machine. Using iptables I was able to do some redirection. The client send the ...

ubuntu networking tcp iptables-redirect

muru

double-EOL-in-one:

0

Q: Black Screen on Ubuntu 15.10 64-bit in VirtualBox

I'm having problems with starting Linux-Ubuntu 15.10. (My main SO is windows 8.1, inside virtualbox I use linux). I can see the users that I have (I actually have 2 users + guest), and when I write the password of the main user, it "enters" and I get a black screen. If I click on guest user, it a...

virtualbox

And Kali for the trifecta!

Oh, my bad, Windows 8.1 isn't EOL yet, despite the push to 10.

Videonauth

@muru so what now? simply hit any field as close reason? :D or close as EOL?

muru

I'd like a buzz-off reason, but EOL will have to do

Videonauth

9:19 AM

seen my above about what i thinking about asking?

muru

12:08 PM

@terdon @Zanna what's going on here, I wonder? askubuntu.com/posts/7505/revisions

Eliah Kagan

It's the same text that was previous added to that post. Adding it to others that recommend using the partner repository seems reasonable to me.

Eliah Kagan

12:25 PM

* previously

terdon

@muru ?

@EliahKagan Well, we'd previously discussed this. I had understood that we'd decided to only add the disclaimer to one answer but whatever.

Eliah Kagan

@terdon Hmm. Well I'm not sure then. I could definitely stand for the text to be shorter and not bold, but I'm not sure it really makes sense to have it on just one answer, because people follow links to specific answers. If it's not important that those people see it, then it could just be in the question and on no answers. Maybe it would be best to ask on meta? At least in theory that will solicit the views of more people.

muru

somebody adding back an edit you'd rolled back, but Eliah seems to have caught you up

Android Dev

1:01 PM

Scam alert! <link removed>

I got a suspicious email from someone I know claiming that a Google Drive file was shared with me

I instantly knew it was a scam but I wanted to see where it would go

Now I really hope their account didn't get hacked

It's painfully obvious it was a scam :D

terdon

@EliahKagan Sure, asking on meta is never wrong. I just personally feel that since all the information is there, there's not much point in adding all of the disclaimers. I also don't feel it's a big deal either way, so. . .

TheWanderer

3:39 PM

help

I'm in a public space

which means potential social situations

terdon

@TheWanderer Quick, take all of your clothes off, stick your fingers up your nose and start jumping around in circles.

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TheWanderer

no it's OK

terdon

That's sure to keep social interactions to a minimum

TheWanderer

lol

grrr

installing Magisk manually is hard

well that's annoying

instead of shutting down or suspending, Ubuntu just locks

TheWanderer

4:17 PM

30KB/s is not 3G speeds, T-Mobile....

but wait, it's at 40 now!

now that's 3G

:|

Adam The Chespin

4:36 PM

hai

Videonauth

6:10 PM

you can remove this line above too when you see it

Seth

fixed

Videonauth

:)

didnt want to mod flag it because Android Dev surely meant no harm

Zanna

6:52 PM

@TheWanderer totally empathise

dessert

7:38 PM

Does anybody know what the tag switch-user is about?

Videonauth

@dessert that a user is usually of topic :) switch is a game console hrhrhr

no, kidding, no clue

dessert

@Videonauth how about a tag pebkac?

Videonauth

:P

[tag:ID-TEN-T-error ]

or do you mean layer-8-problem

dessert

no spaces allowed

Videonauth

--> en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layer_8

:)

dessert

7:57 PM

I moved a piano and a ton of other stuff today and even had to carry it to first floor, all with the constant earworm of

> Gimme gimme gimme a man after midnight
> Won't somebody help me chase the shadows away

Videonauth

hahaha

dessert

Not bad – how do you get this image?

Videonauth

shutter

sudo apt install shutter

dessert

I prefer scrot, but I meant where you get this display. ;)

Videonauth

--> i.stack.imgur.com/jr0ks.png

dessert

8:03 PM

Oh, this was too obvious ^^

Videonauth

and nearly 100 rep lost in HNQ nirvana

btw do you have knowledge about DTT (dtrace) ? --> unix.stackexchange.com/a/406181/166226 not sure if my answer here is deleteworthy or legit

dessert

The man story actually got me thinking: How about a simple program that puts the fun back? It could contain a library of easter eggs and restore every single one of them that was removed using simple aliases and wrapper functions.

@Videonauth none, sorry

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

0

Q: Sort files alphabetically with ls on Linux?

I'm trying to sort files (including hidden files) alphabetically in natural order in Ubuntu Xenial. I got to this: ls -l1va Which prints: . .. .ICEauthority .Private .Xauthority .atom .babel.json .bashrc .bash_history .bash_logout .cache .cargo .config .dbeaver4 .dbeaver-drivers .dbus .docke...

linux ubuntu ls sort

dessert

8:38 PM

@Videonauth Btw: german.stackexchange.com/questions/40178/…

Videonauth

@dessert i think, but nail me down on it that zehren comes from aufzehren

dessert

@Videonauth What do you mean by saying that?

Videonauth

duden.de/rechtschreibung/aufzehren

aufzehren
> sich abarbeiten, sich aufreiben, sich verausgaben, sich verbrauchen, sich zerquälen; (gehoben) sich verzehren; (umgangssprachlich) sich abschinden, sich abschuften, sich abstrampeln, ackern, sich placken, rackern, sich schinden, schuften; (salopp) sich abrackern; (landschaftlich) asten

dessert

I searched some corpora to answer the question, but it needs much more work to actually get to the bottom of this. It's kind of like what I do in my studies, just that I normally don't have to deal with corpora…

Videonauth

according to duden both are correct semantics for the word but differ on usage depending on the context around them

i mean that in context of your last setences in your answer "...but only once and as auszehren, after that..." if you search for aufzeheren you might even find more usages

auszeheren is really very uncommon but still valid usage

Videonauth

9:18 PM

smells minty : askubuntu.com/questions/979281/…

dessert

9:30 PM

@Videonauth this too: askubuntu.com/questions/979269/ipsec-l2tp-vpn-split-tunnel

Videonauth

just edited a kali question on UL lol had the tag ubuntu on it

Skype is slowly behaving like a virus

every time they push a new version to their repositories skype is re-enabling their packet source file, which would be fine if someone not pays attention and not sorts and cleans the sources.list.d directory, i chosen to rename the skape-stable.list to skype.list and everytime they update i get a new skype-stable.list file put into the directory

well not any longer tho, lol, now the directoy is chmod 555

and all files in it too

IanC

10:16 PM

good evening

Videonauth

o/

RobotHumans

10:33 PM

If anyone has a pattern for this, I'm open to suggestions

Videonauth

well i would go with clonezilla as suggested but test the rollback before on a different drive

dessert

@RobotHumans I'd use dd to copy the whole hdd and just copy it back in case something bad happens.

Videonauth

an untested backup is like schroedingers backup

RobotHumans

my comment. oh my comment.

and yes

Videonauth

its state is actually unknown unless write back is attempted

RobotHumans

10:38 PM

i would tend to agree with that statement. like a migrate to and from VM script that would let you put your laptop in a VM, then pull it back out after using it if it worked.

Byte Commander

I can't resist...

Maybe you should keep FEWER backups; it sounds like throwing away everything you've done and starting from scratch might not be the worst idea.

3

RobotHumans

I'm not arguing that point. I'm currently moving our testing framework to amazon EC2 images with docker so it just works. I just want to upgrade my laptop without putting my nuts on the chopping block if it goes wrong, and I thought it would make a nice canonical question.

TheWanderer

wat

RobotHumans

where i work they're talking about pushing a firmware image to svn... which is obviously a bad idea. however, i want to fix problems not make them. so... the question referenced earlier. i can just do it myself, but i thought if there's not a question for it there should be.

Terrance

I want to say this is a dup but the linked answer does not work with XScreensaver. I even had my friend test it with Fedora running XScreensaver. So, in my opinion it is not a dup.

RobotHumans

10:44 PM

If it was baked in to ubuntu, it would be a "plug in your external hard drive and click 'safe upgrade' option"

Seth

11:58 PM

@haneycodes @hellohynes Fun fact: there’s also a term for !important, it’s usually 5-10 years.

Tweeted by Nick_Craver on November 22, 2017 at 11:52 PM in reply to haneycodes

HAHAHAHAHA

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