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Q: Tag Separation and Handling: The Asus tag and separating it out into subcategories instead (asus-pc, asus-laptop, etc.)

Related: Tag Synonym Request: Asus-Related Stuff (in dispute) Do we need "brand/manufacturer" tags? This is a call for community discussion on the matter of manufacturer/brand specific tags with relation to Ask Ubuntu. History It was brought up in chat and Meta requests to...

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@KazWolfe that would be enough - unused tags eventually disappearify

but the meta discussion there comes ahead of me doing any more tag manip.

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Q: Tag Separation and Handling: The Asus tag and separating it out into subcategories instead (asus-pc, asus-laptop, etc.)

Related: Tag Synonym Request: Asus-Related Stuff (in dispute) Do we need "brand/manufacturer" tags? This is a call for community discussion on the matter of manufacturer/brand specific tags with relation to Ask Ubuntu. History It was brought up in chat and Meta requests to...

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12:54 AM

what in the world is this?! ebay.com/itm/…

@Seth you might wanna buy that and risk the fraud...

ikr o_O

@ThomasWard I answered your Meta post

but shipping might be expensive.

@Seth I doubt it'll bring you to anywhere near $250 even

12:56 AM

probably not.

And if you don't like it, you can sell that for a pretty profit

this one is also a bit odd ebay.com/itm/…

@Seth meh, not so much

Still $200 off..

I say buy it, and if it's fake, you're protected

12:57 AM

@Zacharee1 Oh, it's the H791, so international..

ahh

aka no warranty in the US.

yeah

but it supports all the normal US GSM bands

true

so as long as you use T-Mobile or AT&T

or Verizon in 2019 :p

gtg

1:02 AM

@Zacharee1 I saw. I'm leaving that alone - it's a community discussion thread, not a "Mods declare all" :P

1:43 AM

@ThomasWard reply given as well

because i started this mess

again. kaz would be either an amazing mod or the worst one in site history, if i were to ever be elected.

2:08 AM

yay more easy rep <3

wat

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wow 31

i was the first person to upvote

:D

i like free rep

free rep is nice

2:10 AM

hey

@anwar

and everyone else :D

@KazWolfe you could give 200 to me :)

i could

i could give you +500

but... i'm lazy

please i have the lowest rep in this chat

@edwinksl James Tobin...

:D

so i am not the bottom feeder for once

2:24 AM

hey

@edwinksl hey, I'm closer than you to a milestone

WHAT MILESTONE

@edwinksl no, I prob have lowest rep

10k!!! @edwinksl

@Zacharee1 y u mean

2:25 AM

report him

I have 36

@KazWolfe actually, 187, because that'll keep you at 10k

i'll back up that flag lol

@edwinksl se iz objektiv

:((((((((((

2:26 AM

am closur so ai get repz

I want rep :(

dont worry @edwinksl, you know more Ubuntu than Zach

@KazWolfe orly

@Zacharee1 ye

nah

2:26 AM

oRLY

yeeeeee

does anyone here know how to use qbasic or qb64? I need HELP

@KazWolfe ORLY

@Zacharee1 YEEE

@KazWolfe ORLY

2:28 AM

@JamesTobin people still use that? i am surprised

@Zacharee1 YEEEEE

@JamesTobin ask a question on SUPER USER

qb64 is newer

@KazWolfe ORLY

how long are we gonna do this

2:29 AM

@KazWolfe idk

@edwinksl thanks we try

gg flag

@KazWolfe orly

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Good job. We got every 10k user across the network in the chat.

rly?

Would anyone like to explain what's going on here?

2:31 AM

ok who flagged/banned me

Yes.

Zach, go ahead.

sigh

I didn't flag anything

it was me, the post was removed. swear

or, well because I'm here. Zach/Ed/I like getting into scuffs over rep because comedy.

2:31 AM

someone is being too trigger-happy

Not sure what Ed's comment was about.

@JamesTobin I'm pretty sure swearing is allowed in SE chat

we just don't like to make it excessive

rly? that's a first

It is, especially censored.

@KazWolfe looks like you didn't see it before it got deleted :P

2:32 AM

@edwinksl I saw it. I don't know why you made it.

just a random quip, no need to read too much into it

Or why it was subsequently flagged. There was nothing overly offensive about it.

@JamesTobin in the future, don't flag swears. Only flag something if it's truly offensive

Flag was probably approved more for deliberately insulting Americans than the swearing.

ok sorry

2:33 AM

I think that's how we do it

@Seth I insult Americans and I'm American :p

wait what? i totally meant it as a joke.

@edwinksl eh, that's text for you.

good lord

@edwinksl so I guess you're gonna have to use :p after everything now

@Zacharee1 Stupid Americans, insulting themselves.

2:34 AM

@Seth Then we're over-sensitive

:P for safety.

@Seth to quote Kaz: "FLAGGED"

@Seth They're not gonna see that message, so you're dead

I don't play with flags.

I learned that the hard way

@edwinksl You have to remember there are no facial or posture queues nor do tones carry over.

@KazWolfe what did you do o_o

2:35 AM

this is getting stupid

I'd agree with that.

@Zacharee1 That is between the mods and me.

@edwinksl say what you want about whoever flagged it but it was an unprovoked jab at Americans which was completely unnecessary. Especially the tone you said it in made it not come across as a light-hearted joke

@Seth so SE people didn't look into context, like we all don't do

oh, hi, downgoat.

2:36 AM

@Zacharee1 there's no perfect system.

@KazWolfe Hello

welcome to the wild west of chats.

:|

@Downgoat Kaz and I are American (AFAIK), we're both disruptive (in a good way), @edwinksl tends to be jokey. It wasn't unprovoked, we just have a complex context

So, can we all act like at lesat 14 year olds?

2:37 AM

say that three times fast

@KazWolfe glhf

@KazWolfe wild west of chat? you must of not been to TNB:

in The Nineteenth Byte, Aug 19 at 1:53, by Downgoat

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@Downgoat yo, wassup goat man

@Zacharee1 your context is always complex

Or at the very least... 13 year olds?

@Downgoat you are totally missing the context in which the post was made

2:38 AM

@Downgoat happy? :p

@edwinksl which was probably what happened :/

The context of this chat goes back months.

You kinda have to be in this chat to get it, and, well... not everyone is, and it could be offensive in the wrong context.

#free-ed

@Downgoat how about asking nicely first before banning?

@KazWolfe which is why no one should be allowed to flag us :p

@edwinksl Please don't assign blame.

Downgoat has no powers to ban anyone here.

2:39 AM

@Zacharee1 I can understand that, but if I was new just peeping in, without context I see how someone could find it insulting, be careful when making such jokes

@Zacharee1 XD ok. thank you.

@Downgoat which is why we usually use :p :p

^ good idea

but sometimes it's weird to use it 5 times in a row

@edwinksl I am just another 10K user. I couldn't ban you even if I wanted

@Downgoat ah. so i am guessing the ban was triggered by a sufficient number of flags?

2:41 AM

Downgoat as about as much power in this chat as I do.

what was the original message? I thought it had a smiley or something

And if I could ban someone, I would have exploited that already.

@edwinksl no, probably from enough mods accepting it

@KazWolfe I think I know the target

@Zacharee1 as in chat mods?

yesh

Journeyman Geek

2:42 AM

lol

No, enough people accepting the flag.

@edwinksl I believe it can only happen once a certain number of 10K+ users consider the flag valid or a mod flags it as valid or like 6+ people flag it

not just mods.

Journeyman Geek

chat flags often get accepted so fast 'local' mods don't have time to react

@KazWolfe that's my bad, i apologize for that

2:43 AM

@JourneymanGeek yeah it makes me simultaneously happy and sad.

Journeyman Geek

One mod or X 10K users

that said, I tend to prefer to handle things politely as well and actually tell people what gets my goat.

er... offends me.

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Sorry @Downgoat

@Downgoat it's more than 7 flags

so i am still not sure what really got me banned and it happened pretty quickly. oh wells.

Journeyman Geek

2:44 AM

@Downgoat at least it isn't a sea of blue

your comment got you kicked from the chat.

Journeyman Geek

Apparently we got aware of that..

@JourneymanGeek :|

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Q: Flags in chat are defective by design

Yes, I know the topic has been discussed before. I know that Meta already has threads that complain about how flagging doesn't work. I wanted to give a practical example. Today, a user came in to the JavaScript chat and asked the following question: Hey guys, as soon as I embed javascript,...

discussion feature-request chat behavior chat-flags

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 my rule of thumb is unless its really really bad, meh.

2:45 AM

@edwinksl what do you mean by getting banned

Journeyman Geek

and most of my chat suspensions have been of trolls

@JourneymanGeek agreed. If this is what happens when something's flagged, we should probably not flag

@JourneymanGeek TIL mods can get chat suspensions?

@JourneymanGeek so... why was i not permabanned?

Journeyman Geek

@Downgoat I am the one who ~~knocks~~ suspends

@KazWolfe there's no permaban

2:46 AM

also, a but +1 to having local room owners here

@JamesTobin the flag was accepted, @edwinksl got suspended for a bit, because that's what happens with chat flags

Journeyman Geek

there's kicks, short autosuspensions from flags and longer manual suspensions from flags

@JourneymanGeek i consider "348 years" to be permaban

what do you mean by suspended, couldnt post?

@Zacharee1 so someone accepted the flag?

2:46 AM

@JourneymanGeek ok >_>

Journeyman Geek

IMO the big 'pain point' is not knowing who is suspended.

@edwinksl enough people did

@Zacharee1 oh great

or a mod did

Journeyman Geek

lol if only they'd have a big red cross over them....

2:47 AM

but apparently, flags call every 10k user in? (@JourneymanGeek)

@Zacharee1 Yes.

@JourneymanGeek yeah, it'd be so great to be able to laugh at them and taunt them...

Every 10k user (network rep, not site rep) get chat flag notifications.

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 they get a little red bubble, like a notif bubble. Or a blue one. There's both sorts.

@edwinksl 6 people.

2:47 AM

I've only seen blue. What's red for?

@KazWolfe the really bad offenders, like you :p

i suppose i have joined kaz in getting banned from chat at least once

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe er... I think its when people want things baleeted

red's mod only. custom flag with text.

and blue bubble.

2:47 AM

they're manually selected users

@edwinksl so've I

i've gotten kicked twice total.

@Seth you?!

@Seth i wouldn't have thought you got banned before

once because of everyone's favorite pencil.

Journeyman Geek

2:48 AM

kicked is by one RO

that's a relatively new thing.

@KazWolfe wat

@KazWolfe i saw that go down. it was unfortunate for you

what happened if I may ask

edity created a new trash can

and me being the troll i am posted in there because non-private.

and edity moved the entire chat into this one

and everyone who posted there (three or four people) got instantly banned.

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe protip EVERYTHING HERE IS PUBLIC!

;p

2:50 AM

how did he do that and why?

I'm fully aware, @JourneymanGeek lol

@JourneymanGeek flagged for capslock :p

Journeyman Geek

@Zacharee1 ROs can move stuff.

to other rooms they don't own?

Correct.

Journeyman Geek

2:51 AM

@Zacharee1 I disable my capslocks

that's strange

Journeyman Geek

actually on windows, I have it remapped to shift

@JourneymanGeek -_-

yeah. someone (ahem) flagged a message I had posted with a link to a spam question. I was asking for the post to be flagged, not the message itself...

@KazWolfe so you trolled because reasons and then Edity trolled because?

@Seth xD

were you a mod?

2:52 AM

@Zacharee1 i trolled because i'm kaz. and edity decided to move everything back.

o_O

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe so you were trolled too ;p

i guess

though i didn't know RO moving was a thing

that should be fixed

Journeyman Geek

is this a little like sticking a piece of meat in someone's pants at a feral dog convention, then getting chased by dogs cause you smell like meat?

i get it.

i still didn't deserve that kick

Especially because Edity kicked me from his room which caused my kick in THIS room to be really bloody long.

2:54 AM

@KazWolfe the world is unjust

@KazWolfe it's a little weird that you can move messages to a chat you don't own, which posts those on your behalf

which isn't always good :p

@Zacharee1 yeah. that may be abusable

Can ROs edit other messages?

umm

no

@Zacharee1 no

ah

wait

2:56 AM

@JamesTobin pretty much this.

there's a spam/offensive flag and a mod flag?

you'd be a fool to think it was.

I was banned on a FB page for disagreeing with a mod's view on a subject

@Zacharee1 yeah

then why do we have the community flag?

2:56 AM

well there's still less mod abuse than in The Bridge.

see the "flag for moderator" option under the arrow dialog (left of each message)

wouldn't it be better to leave the kicks and such up to mods?

@Zacharee1 well originally there were not near this many moderators.

@Seth shouldn't we get rid of the community flag then? Mods are voted to moderate for things exactly like that

community members, as we saw, are more likely to miss the meaning

@Zacharee1 there's been discussion, but in truth there still aren't always moderators around.

2:58 AM

@Seth true, but what if maybe it took 5 flags for moderators and then it became public?

@Zacharee1 that's a decent idea.

So this guy seems to have calmed down after that whole acct deletion debacle askubuntu.com/users/307523/wineunuuchs2unix

maybe not 5, but something like that.

he's participating and writing answers

@Seth yeah

A better solution. STOP PLAYING WITH FLAGS

2:59 AM

no one was playing.

it was an arbitrary number because idk the dynamics

ok

but it would be nice if we stopped playing with bold.

@KazWolfe LIKE THAT'S GONNA WORK

@Seth ehh

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