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why are you using slack to share code? eww D:

please tell me you collaborate somewhere like GitHub or BitBucket :P

@Seth because it's more convenient than emailing. I work for computer labs and have sh!t ton of emails from IT

@Seth I have git repo set up for that class, but those guys can barely use IDE in Windows

Why are they in a programming course then? -.-

@Seth it's electrical engineering class, interface techniques ( for microcontrollers, specifically pic18 by microchip ) . I am confused as to why and how people get past basic C course and yet cannot do anything at this point . . .

@Fabby as a project manager , your opinion would be also interesting ( see my email to lab partners up above )

@Serg reading...

@Serg It's not bad... It's also not stellar neither...

12:15 AM

@Fabby suggestion for improvement ?

@Seth cc ^

well without being you I can't give amazing advice since I don't know all the details, but it seems mostly fine until this point:

> Sure , there's a few things I am also guilty of - since this lab's report was my responsibility , probably I should have saved it myself. However , source code should be shared between group members, isn't that so ? We need it saved somewhere for future reference. I've also haven't given that much attention to the previous lab reports , haven't reviewed them too in-depth.

"sure, there's a few things I am also guilty of" <-- when you try to correct people it's better not to use phrasing like that for yourself or you will come across as "better-than-thou", even if you don't mean it.

Rephrasing more like "I'm guilty too, (explanation)" is likely to come across better.

I would have said something like: We're in the 21st century; we've all grown up with social media; can we get together for a meeting next week to discuss this face-to-face and be more social? ;-)

"isn't that so ?" also comes across aggressive. I'd use "right?" in its place.

---^

I would have posted it here in chat before sending it...

You also seem to contradict yourself in the last sentence: "We need it saved somewhere for future reference. I've also haven't given that much attention to the previous lab reports , haven't reviewed them too in-depth." We need to save these for future reference! Also, I never looked at the old ones we saved for future reference. I'm guessing you meant something a little more context sensitive, but I can't tell without being in your shoes :)

But the 1st paragraph seems just fine.

12:21 AM

@Seth now is a good time to shut up; I think Serg gets it that he should be a little less direct.

I hope that's not overwhelming @Serg...

;-) :P

@Fabby yeah I was getting that feeling :P

Yeah, didn't quite mean to come across as aggressive, but i think we do need a bit of a$$ whooping as a team

I can be too blunt and straightforward sometimes.

12:22 AM

Good suggestions though, thank you @Fabby and @SEth

@Seth Hey, that's called "Professional malformation"

I don't exactly have that much experience with team management

Generally when someone asks me "what do you think?" twice I will give them my entire honest opinion.. sorry if it sounds harsh! D:

(So was I and still am when I'm tired or fed up)

This must be strangest tag I have seen: meta.askubuntu.com/questions/tagged/where-to-file-bug-report

12:23 AM

@Fabby I thought that was when you phrase it to sound nicer than you mean it? :P

and my eyes just glide off it for some reason

@Seth well , honest opinion is well appreciated

@muru :D :D :D

@muru well that does win honors!

@Seth Could you rephrase that? I'm seeing words and understand them individually, but fail to understand...

12:24 AM

@Seth and it's gone! Poof!

@Fabby are you trying to joke there or are you serious? Sorry, can't tell!

@muru Sounds like one of those tags @ParanoidPanda insists on adding. :P

@kos Oh, yeah. I still remember the cuteness tag.

hbdgaf

@Mateo Hah yeah. I know. The previous screenshot was mostly for shock and awe

@muru Lol!

12:26 AM

@Seth I think you're trying to tell me I try to say it nicely but fail?

@Serg hopefully someone has shown an example of how well VCS can save their asses?

@Fabby you said "Hey, that's called "Professional malformation"" and I said "I thought 'Professional malformation' was when you try to make things sound nicer than you mean them, i.e. writing in a political way so that you correct the problem without making people mad enough to fight you out of spite kind of thing".

@muru what is vcs by the way ?

Or is that too verbose?

version control system... like git.

@Serg Version Control System (git, mercurial, bazaar, subversion, cvs, all of them are VCS)

12:28 AM

I once met somebody that was using "Save Project As..." as a manual VCS -.-

@Seth Oh yes! Exactly what I meant!

(sorry!) :-)

He hadn't heard of version control at all..

@Seth only once?

@muru so far...

@Fabby :D

user139252

@Fabby Cluster is back up. Small earthquake managed to jiggle the router's power cable out somehow

12:29 AM

ah . . . well . . . . Most of our students use email as version control system . . . because we don't learn sh*t outside the box

Well, on the other hand, that person still has copies. Many don't.

@TheBrownOne Ah!!!

it kept flapping...

user139252

About to head back out the door, though

lemme connect to FTP and upload new version...

user139252

You can email me the details of your idea :P

12:30 AM

I am also happy that my CS2 professor has introduced git in class

He is awesome

@Serg actually, that was git's primary motivation: emailing around patches. :D

@TheBrownOne look at the contact page when you get back and give me some feed-back please

Maybe your students will grow up to become Linus. :D

@TheSchwa Anything that attempts to answer the question asked is an answer. Not all answers are created equal. Now that you mention the windows part though I might remove it anyway, since you're right, this is highly unlikely to solve anything if it works in Windows. AFAIK swapping the antenna wires shouldn't do any damage.. — Seth ♦ 5 secs ago

is that right? swapping the antenna wires on your WLAN card shouldn't blow anything up, right?

@muru I'll be really surprised if that happens O.o

12:31 AM

@muru People that can hardly C aren't likely to become the author of the next-gen kernel. They just need glasses :P

@Serg has none of them had an irretrievable disaster yet?

user139252

@Fabby that looks good!

I usually get one soon-ish and use that to show the merits of VCS backed up to another server to my juniors.

@TheBrownOne The CAPTCHA style?

@Seth José, can you C? If so, come to the US.

12:33 AM

OK, off you go, but I'd like to talk to you for 5 minutes some other time!

(I hope you're going to have some fun!) @TheBrownOne

And thanks for looking! (I wasn't sure myself)

@muru probably had a few times, but . . . unless we learn it by ourselves , we won't get it in class. Electrical Engineering program does require two programming classes, visual basic and C; C leads to microcontroller and interface techniques classes. None of these introduce version control.

Q: I'm using ubuntu 16.04 beta 1 and theres no fglrx ! Is it a common problem related to development stage?

I'm on two minds whether this should be closed:

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I'm using ubuntu 16.04 beta 1 and theres no fglrx ! Is it a common problem related to development stage or something ?

The change is likely to be lasting. OTOH, it may be rolled back.

@Serg hold an unoffical session at the start of sem?

@Fabby: I noticed your CP/M comments on your profile page. I am (and to date myself) an ex CP/M 80 and CP/M 86 person.

@DougSmythies CP/M-86??? Woohoo!

That's why you know so much about everything disk-related!

You probably remember what an interleave is then!

:D Seting the correct interleave and defragging have been the 2 largest time wasters ever!

@Fabby: I actually still have the computer. I designed and built it myself. It has a $2500 (1983 dollars) 5 megabytes hard drive.

12:38 AM

@muru unofficial session for what ?

@DougSmythies Wow!

Yes, I remember interleaving and such.

I didn't design mine, but downloaded schematics from a BBS on a friend's computer and etched the motherboard myself!

@Serg development infra basics: VCS, any other tools you maybe using (like slack)

I never ecthed my own stuff. Impressive.

12:40 AM

I swear I have seen this recently: askubuntu.com/questions/744088/how-to-disable-show-password

then bought 32K RAM, aZ-80 and some control chips, and soldered everything with a 150W soldering iron, because that was the only thing I had!

mine had a 360K double-sided 5" floppy drive

and I added a whopping 1.2MB 8" floppy afterwards

never had a hard drive (on my CP/M) machine

Oh no, we were not into 5" floppies. Had to be 8".

@DougSmythies They were expensive!

@muru sigh . . . probably that's what I am going to be doing . . . . It's like a lot of people are reluctant though. I've asked couple people in my CS classes "Hey do you wanna collab ? " They were like yeah sure, but then no response. It's like i ihave to drag each one of them by the horns ?

Expensive, yes.

12:43 AM

(I got 2 broken ones for free and made one working out of the 2 broken)

The 32KB one costed me a bit less then a month's wage of a clerk...

@DougSmythies Care to divulge how old you are? (I guess about 4 years my senior)

I am 60.

(my age is public knowledge (profile)

48 now, 49 soon!

Yep: you know your disks!

rEFInd is a pretty impressive bit of software!

Once I get a job, You're on my donate list...

;-)

Ha, talk to my wife. She wants some of my old crap gone.

@Takkat Actually, Nitroglycerine tablets should be used sub-lingually to alleviate heart problems.

And they don't explode: the concentration isn't high enough.

You need a 50% C3H5N3O9 - C2H5OH mix to become explosive!

@DougSmythies :D :D :D

I bet she doesn't collect any antique vases???

@Fabby, good point.

12:52 AM

Just tell her for how much that Apple I sold...

and that you're just waiting for the right moment to sell nice pieces on "industrial archaeology".... ;-)

macrumors.com/2013/05/25/…

You wouldn't have any PDP11's in there? :-)

I have a sol-20 and an IMSAI 8080 that might be worth something someday.

(I've only ever used one once)

@DougSmythies googling...

(never heard of those)

I have a PDP 11 tape with some old project on it. the date says 1980.

@Fabby: sol20.org

see bottom of sol20.org/thanks.html

@DougSmythies reading.

found imsai.net too!

Should be meta question: askubuntu.com/questions/744090/…

12:59 AM

@DougSmythies :D :D :D

It's late here: don't make me laugh so hard: I'll wake people up!

I didn't know about imsai.net. I'll look it over.

Nice talking to another old fart... ;-)

However, I need my beauty sleep right now:

02:00 AM

You should drop by more often here! @DougSmythies

@Fabby. O.K. Goodnight.

Bye! shutdown -h now

Sleep well

SNL Host Ariana Grande Can See Her House From 30 Rock

1:17 AM

So Ariana Grande is SNL's next host and musical guest

This'll be interesting

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How do I go about launching whatever terminal I've set as the default in gsettings from the command-line?

Q: Fcitx "Extra key for trigger input method" changes back to default after restart

@kos well that setting makes it so the shortcut executes the command to open the terminal you chose. I don't think there is a command to launch whatever is set there

I guess you could make a script

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Using Ubuntu 15.11. Configuring input using the 'Input Method Configuration' screen. Whenever I change "Extra key for trigger input method" it works for only that session. Once I restart the computer it goes back to the default value of "SHIFT Both" which annoying. Is there a config file that is...

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@Zacharee1 Hm, the problem is I'm configuring another distro with GNOME and GNOME doesn't come with that shortcut. So I need a command ro run upon CTRL+ALT+T. Nothing fancier than a script to parse gsettings?

1:32 AM

Wait, GNOME has the Ctrl+Alt+T thing

@Zacharee1 Apparently on Parabola is not configured.

Parabola?

It's the distribution I'm installing

Oh

You could make a keyboard shortcut manually

I HATE ADOBE AND FLASH SO MUCH

</rage>

1:36 AM

That's what I'm trying to do, I could bind it to gnome-terminal, but I'd fancy more to bind it to what I have in gsettings, so that if I change the deafult terminal the shortcut always respects that.

oh, I think you have to do a script

Yeah. Or something like xdg-open but for gsettings.

How do I go about launching whatever terminal I've set as the default in gsettings from the command-line?

Well there is schemas for that

org.gnome.desktop.default-applications.terminal exec 'x-terminal-emulator'

It does however rely on the alternatives system

@Serg You're a genious. x-terminal-emulator is what I need. Thanks!

Always happy to help

1:48 AM

I don't have x-terminal-emulator... That's a Debian thing. -.-

@kos also on Ubuntu

You on Arch?

@muru Almost, Parabola.

@kos well there are ways to define custom shortcut from command line . . .

@kos askubuntu.com/a/597414/295286

@Serg Yeah but the point is having CTRL+ALT+T launching the default terminal as defined in gsettings. I know I could parse gsettings with a script, I was just wondering if there was an alternative. Something coming with GNOME maybe. But maybe I'm asking too much.

Um . . . I cannot quite tell you as I am no Gnome specialist . I could boot into my BSD or Arch virtual machine and try it out though

maybe there is something

1:55 AM

@Serg Ah, sorry, I missunderstood. Indeed. Let me try that

@kos I think you are. Or GNOME devs wouldn't be hardcoding gnome-terminal in Nautilus' source.

Yay my sound works!

@Serg No, it still wants a command, I should type x-terminal-emulator, which I don't have.

@kos well . . . can't you make a wrapper script and set it to call whatever terminal you want ?

<rant> who thought that css or javascript are good ideas for customizing user interface in Unity and Gnome ? </rant>

@muru Yeah, probably I am. Just in case there was a way. I'll just setup a script.

@Serg Yeah, I'll just do that. I was just curious if there was a better way.

2:01 AM

@Serg Why are they bad? I like that. It makes it accessible

@Serg well, they are well established ways of customizing UI elsewhere

(if only in the limited interface of browsers everywhere)

@Zacharee1 @muru well, they are great for browsers, but for user interface i find them confusing . I am not web dev, and most regular users arent.

@Serg Most regular users aren't going to be doing that sort of manual customization

@Serg I meant, as the backend, of course.

That's my main critique of Unity right now - lack of customizability.

2:03 AM

What would a better alternative be?

They should have a good UI on top, but for finer control, CSS is good.

@Zacharee1 that's exactly what most users should be able to do - customize their UI

@Serg But you're not meant to depend on manual editing. In that respect, Unity is bad.

CSS is a good way to lay out the UI though

It uses English words, it's organized, it's structured like C, which a lot of people know

AHA !

Found the way to change top panel color

lol

2:08 AM

That's my whole point

Users should be able to customize their UI however the funk they want

@Serg that's not a reason to not use CSS

this would give Ubuntu so much advantage over other distros and MS as well !

It's a reason to make Unity more GUI-customizable

@Zacharee1 well . . . most of the stuff in the linux world is done by editing files. Right ? It's not exactly clear which file to edit in the first place for panel, for wall paper , for greeter wall paper, for launcher color . . .

Well that wouldn't be fixed by not using CSS

2:10 AM

@Zacharee1 indeed. All of these settings have to be stored on disk somehow. Compared to the alternatives (INI, binary db, some other configuration file format), CSS is very well suited to controlling appearance.

eh . . .maybe CSS is good . . .it's been ages since i've taken web design class . . . but man, it doesn't make sense, to use something for web browsers inside a desktop environment

same as with javascript

If they'd used INI files, I doubt we'd be much better off. We would be worse off, since CSS has many ways of helping control appearances that INI simply cannot compare with.

the language that hoags my browsers soooo much

@Serg The Ubuntu web demo is CSS and JS. It works pretty well :p

@Zacharee1 we're not chrome os for chrissake !!! and we're using actual desktop

not web demo

2:13 AM

And CSS is pretty simple. It doesn't need to be compiled, so everything is readable, it uses English words, so it's understandable, it has clear documentation from many sources, so it's easy to learn, and it's intuitive.

What would you want instead of CSS?

@Seth had to settle for comcast, the other place that looked decent that had no caps was a direct wireless, and they wanted an antenna on the roof - wasn't going to happen in an apartment...

@Serg you're missing something. CSS is the backend. The ineptitude of the frontend is not CSS's fault.

If the Appearances setting doesn't offer anything better, that's squarely on Ubuntu/GNOME devs.

strange, got my modem plugged in, but it tried to download a mac pkg...

@Mateo wat

at least it works though, but they have a way of pushing bundleware over your own surfboard modem...

2:16 AM

@Mateo :/

nice

@Mateo wait really? Ugh. I didn't know that.

so, next step is to take the cord out of my laptop and try a wireless access point

@muru that's also true . . . and that's why i've been leaving comments on Ubuntu's facebook posts "give us more customizability". Hopefully somebody listens

I was glad they did byo modem, and self setup option

2:17 AM

@Serg nobody listens. Do you know that GNOME plans to remove the Archive Manager tool (file-roller), and add those features to Nautilus?

@muru I like that idea

@muru O_o OK . . .I don't get it though . . . why ?

@Serg probably trying to do something like Windows. You can open ZIPs in Explorer with Windows 7 and later

@Zacharee1 bingo.

It's actually pretty convenient

And if they support the rest of the archive formats as well, it'd be amazing

2:20 AM

But . . . but . . .can't we do that already ? by double clicking on archives ?

It is, except when you want something archive managers offer, and the file browser doesn't.

@muru like what?

@Zacharee1 Something as simple as "extract to". Nautilus doesn't even have a "copy to". Nemo does, but that's another story.

@Serg it opens a separate app and you have to extract to run things or copy things correctly. Combining with a file manager treats it as a folder

@muru Would they not add that in?

Even Windows has that

@Zacharee1 looking at past instances of feature removal, I'll expect to see that sometime mid-2018, And, of course, this leaves Nemo users with the choice of using whatever MATE gives, or asking Nemo devs to add similar code.

2:22 AM

O_o

(I'll expect to see adding of "extract to" in 2018, that is)

Q: dual monitor support on a non-GNOME system

2:32 AM

There's @bg_color referenced, but where do i find where the value is set ?

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I have Ubuntu-14.04 with x11 drivers and lightweight WM installed on my laptop Toshiba Satellite Z930. I also have an external monitor connected to the laptop via HDMI interface. Currently, the monitor duplicates laptop's LCD screen, i.e. whatever I type, press is visible on both screens. What I'...

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Nathan Osman

Is it just me or are apps getting smaller?

4:03 AM

O_o

I bet it has a lot of extra data to download

5:04 AM

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Q: How to post a command line in ask ubuntu like 2nd line of the attatched file?

6:24 AM

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You could either try xdg-open (xdg-open - opens a file or URL in the user's preferred application): xdg-open /path/to/file.pdf Or you directly launch Evince, the default Ubuntu document viewer, and open the file with it: evince /path/to/file.pdf

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Q: php5 and phpmyadmin not installing

Awww. Another spam wave while I was away.

/me wants to raise flags! :P

blade19899

7:47 AM

This is still an awesome idea:

> "An initiative to know the creators of the website. Contains the information about humans to the web building." - Humans TXT: We Are People, Not Machines.

Madan Bhandari

8:01 AM

Hi, guys

I am new to chat room

I need help on configure phpmydmin on ubuntu

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I have installed mysql, mysql-server, apache2 and many more. May be I have installed some wrong PPA or programs which cause this problem. Basically, I need to run local server (eg. for wordpress). So I need to localhost/phpmyadmin. Somehow localhost is working (it shows it's default page) but loc...

package-management software-installation apache2 php phpmyadmin

8:22 AM

@MadanBhandari I commented on your question and requested some command outputs. We're going to fix this. :)

<---- this guy finally figured out how to edit colors in the top panel and the window tops of kylin and ambiance ( sort of )

blade19899

@Serg Hmm. I remember turning my gnome shell into a very pink color :). It used .css files. I edited everything. It crashed majorly, I switched back to unity.

@blade19899 well, i didn't edit everything, but i kept on trying a few values till i found what i was looking for

Hold on a minute

So this is default ubuntu kylin theme

light blue top panel

and window

Now here's mine

Purple to light blue gradient in top panel

light blue to black in window top

as for launcher , that's done using unity tweak or compiz config. Not sure which. In any case, not by hand

@Serg Cool wallpaper.

@ByteCommander thanks, it's some data center. Found on google of course.

let me show you my login screen

hmm, strange, cannot open test mode for lightdm

8:36 AM

Mine at work is this:

technology.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/1303013

At home I use a black/white picture of a wolf sitting in the snow with some snow on its nose and blue eyes. It's cute.

animals.desktopnexus.com/wallpaper/186807 This one.

5.10 askubuntu.com/questions/744188/ubuntu-5-10-gui-login-problem >:-D

@Rinzwind that's some classic right there

breezy badger?

probably 2x typo but I am not here to interpret mistakes :-D

Well, lightdm --test-mode is a bish

Madan Bhandari

8:42 AM

@ByteCommander updated

is there a way to take screenshot while on the actual login screen ?

@Serg Yes you can take screenshots from tty1

@Rinzwind how ? please do share . . . import command ?

@Serg fbgrab

fbgrab -c /dev/tty7
if memory serves me well

otherwise use a vbox >:-D

Ah . . .right . . .

Anyhow, here's my login screen wallpaper

motherboard

looks quite nice with unity greeter

8:48 AM

@MadanBhandari Okay, give me a moment. I have to remember the command to find installed packages that have no installation candidate...

You can run sudo apt-get install aptitude and sudo apt-get clean in the meanwhile.

well . . . lightdm is just weird

i'm gonna go have a nap. See you guys

@MadanBhandari Please run the command below and show me the output:

aptitude search '?narrow(?installed, !?version(CANDIDATE))'

I'll also add this request as comment to your question.

blade19899

@Serg My eyes are bleeding.

@ByteCommander Except gnome3, cause it'll just pout and kill it self...

9:10 AM

I was as fast as Smokey! \o/

Madan Bhandari

9:24 AM

@ByteCommander updated

Oli

10:06 AM

Anybody here use Gnome on a dual-monitor computer? How does it split things over the two screens?

Also —for anyone— what's task switching like in Gnome these days? Do you need OSXey docks and nonsense like that or is there something more... traditional?

I've never really use Gnome Shell. I fled to KDE shortly after my window buttons started appearing on the wrong side. I have opinions about how things should work too, which KDE helped. But for some reason the latest versions of KDE have me looking elsewhere. Perhaps it just works too well; I need something to be annoyed at.

And few things annoy me more than trying to remember what a bunch of icons at the bottom of the screen mean, let alone which instances they belong to. I'm getting angry just thinking about docks.

@Oli What do you mean by traditional exactly? To avoid using a dock you can just use keystrokes (namely: ALT+TAB to navigate through applications, ALT+\ to navigate through windows of the same application and Super / TAB to navigate through windows in the same workspace), they work pretty well IMO.

user136984

10:22 AM

@Seth Ouch...

user136984

Facepalm...

Oli

@kos I used Windows (up to Vista). Then Gnome 2. I like my task switchers to be fairly explicit, show every instance on the current workspace; icon and title.

I'm not saying I can't change, there's just a lower barrier to entry if I don't have to.

Cinnamon might be a better fit.

Grumbles: Maybe it'd just be easier to stay with KDE, at least until the X11-replacement wars are over.

Q: Multiple Ubuntu Server Backups

@Oli Well GNOME seems to be good at that, hitting Super brings up an overview of all windows on the current workspace, and if you have multiple busy workspaces also an oveview (thumbnails) of what's on the other worspaces. Switching from one to another at that point is a matter of hitting CTRL+ALT+(Arrow down/Arrow Up). Something like this:

(nevermind the orange thinghies)

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I am soon to be dealing with multiple Ubuntu 14.04 Server Installations, none of which I will have physical access to. Some will be Digital Ocean Droplets, and some Mini-Server builds. I will have root SSH access to every installation, and open whatever ports I need. Each machine will have a sub...

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10:38 AM

Those in the middle are the windows on the current workspace, the thumbnails on the side hint what's going on on all workspaces.