Ask Ubuntu General Room

George Edison

00:04

@Jacob: Would it be possible to email me the details for the account you create?

[email protected]

Jacob

Np

George Edison

Whenever you get the chance...

...no rush.

Jacob

ok

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

How to Upgrade from Ubuntu 10.04 to 11.04 http://bit.ly/dSPcHe #1010

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 11, 2011 at 12:09 AM

George Edison

Whew... committing code to Launchpad from Windows is... interesting.

djeikyb

00:21

hey all

George Edison

@djeikyb Hey.

djeikyb

So that drive, you just out of luck, or is the gifter gonna rma it?

George Edison

No, the company will RMA it even though it's a gift.

So that's nice.

djeikyb

oh, sweet

Roland Taylor

nvm actually ...

it's the text I mean

djeikyb

00:24

quoi? all this removed text!

Roland Taylor

I changed the text

to reflect my state of mind

but... that's better mentioned on a blog or something

djeikyb

ooooh, chat does not like my computer

is trying to kill it

Roland Taylor

@JorgeCastro you made me envious :P (jk) - I lurve basilosaurus

George Edison

askubuntu.quickmediasolutions.com

^--- How does that look?

Haven't hooked it up yet, but still :P

Roland Taylor

nice

looks like duckduckgo :)

George Edison

00:35

But it'll be super fast.

Our tests have revealed response times of less than 10ms.

Roland Taylor

sweet

planning to do instant searches? (like the first 10 results displayed?)

djeikyb

Have any of your guys's rep hover graph been..wonky..lately?

@GeorgeEdison oh. by not hooked up yet, you mean entering a search request will have no effect. lol

George Edison

00:52

Yeah...

trampster

@GeorgeEdison Just tested it and I can confirm thats its super fast at the moment... it returns nothing instantly.

George Edison

@trampster Yup, it's Web 3.0!

Fast, fast, fast.

Roland Taylor

I'm about to try an upgrade to Natty (over time)

George Edison

@RolandTaylor Been there... done that... :)

Roland Taylor

01:08

@GeorgeEdison was it smooth?

John

Is Unity all it's cracked up to be?

On a side note, I just downloaded PowerPad, but when I try to browse the FTP directories it says (seemingly randomly) "Unable to enumerate the files in this directory." How can I fix this?

George Edison

@John Hmmm... I'm not sure.

Roland Taylor

I don't know where to start :P

but I love my upgrade method

I take it bit by bit

George Edison

@John Does it work when you retry it?

Or does it consistently fail on a certain directory?

Jacob

I'm back

John

01:24

@GeorgeEdison It only seems to fail one directory consistently, root. The rest, somewhat randomly.

Might it have something to do with the fact that my client is Windows and my server is Linux?

I seem to find that most of my "random problems" are typically Windows' fault.

George Edison

01:37

I have to go out for supper now.

See you all later.

Roland Taylor

cya

Jacob

@GeorgeEdison later

Roland Taylor

@JorgeCastro expect some bug reports soon :)

Jacob

@GeorgeEdison I think I'm going to throw Ubuntu on my desktop

@RolandTaylor my bad

Roland Taylor

np

John

01:39

bye @GeorgeEdison

Jacob

George has been trying to get me to do it.

John

Do it, do it!

Jacob

I have a MBpro but windoze on my desktop is getting a lot slow for my hardware

Roland Taylor

02:24

lgsd;gjblsjdgfjbg

removing old ppas = stress

lazyPower

03:09

@RolandTaylor take a deep breath

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

How do I remove a file with 2 hypens in the name, like --karmic.list http://bit.ly/eMDsQC #file

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 11, 2011 at 3:09 AM

Roland Taylor

I'm actually somewhat proud of myself :P

lazyPower

do tell

Roland Taylor

I'm getting through them at a fast clip ^^

only thing is some of the unmaintained software makes me sad

launchpad.net/clicompanion

lazyPower

Thats the story of the Open Source world tho

Roland Taylor

03:19

I know :P

but I'm still sad

lazyPower

Do you live state side @RolandTaylor?

Roland Taylor

I'm in Barbados, not the US :P

lazyPower

Ah, so... can you limbo like a champ then?

Roland Taylor

lol not nearly

lazyPower

I thought the people from Barbados were all given that inherant ability to limbo lower than most... a-la-futurama

Roland Taylor

03:23

rofl

I can limbo if I'm sleeping

so long as someone puts the stick over me

lazyPower

haha

good answer

Roland Taylor

XD

yay almost done

woot! done!

reloading package info

this should make my upgrade to natty a whole lot smoother

ajmitch

03:53

I just upgraded the manual way

Roland Taylor

I am trying to do it the complicated way - but it's asking to remove some things that I don't get

ajmitch

I had some packages installed still that were last available in hardy, so there was a bit of tweaking

but it was all done by apt-get upgrade/install/dist-upgrade, sometimes handing a list of packages to apt-get install to work around some issues

Roland Taylor

nice

I'm using synaptic

ajmitch

it's how I've usually done it

Roland Taylor

though I think aptitude might be better for this

Jacob

04:25

Everyone should go commit here

195

How Stuff Works

Proposed Q&A site for people who need to know the principles of how things work

Currently in commitment.

:)

cheap advertisement over

George Edison

04:49

@Jacob I already followed that one.

@Jacob: Did you get the account set up?

George Edison

05:44

@Jacob: You're back!

Jacob

@GeorgeEdison only for a minute

Mind if I set the account up tomorrow?

George Edison

Sure.

Can I quickly give you an updated EXE though?

Jacob

thanks!

Sure

George Edison

files.quickmediasolutions.com/temp/audataserver.exe

^--- The new version.

If you could please just swap that one in, that'd be great :)

Jacob

done and running

George Edison

05:48

thank you!

Jacob

NP

also, I'm semi hopping I get to be a pro tempore mod on HSW

hehe

George Edison

HSW... what's that?

Jacob

How stuff works- I think thats one of the few sites I could participate in

George Edison

I used to be a pro tempore mod here, actually.

Uh-oh... the app doesn't seem to be responding.

96.248.216.59:12346/similar?title=network+manager

That should bring up a page with JSON.

Jacob

fixed

George Edison

05:51

Great!

Jacob

and I;m off again night

George Edison

One more quick thing...

Jacob

@GeorgeEdison ok

George Edison

It's okay... I think there's a bug in it.

I'll fix it.

Sorry to bother you again :P

Jacob

@GeorgeEdison NP

htorque

05:59

good morning!

Jacob

Will it be ready soon?

George Edison

I haven't found the bug yet, though.

Jacob

@GeorgeEdison ok, can I update it later? I should go

George Edison

Sure.

Hopefully by tomorrow, I'll have it ready for you.

Oh, I found it!

@Jacob: If it's not too late...

files.quickmediasolutions.com/temp/audata.dll

^--- The problem was that I forgot to give you the updated .dll

That'll fix everything.

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

How to make folder writable to 2 users in different groups? http://bit.ly/fLh4VZ #accounts

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 11, 2011 at 6:09 AM

Takkat

07:04

Good morning all

htorque

morning

Alvar

Morning

Takkat

@htorque: your idea to bounty my tumbleweed Q seems to have increased views by factor 2
morgon @Alvar

htorque

from 1 to 2? :D

Takkat

lol, sort of ;)

htorque

07:12

oh, almost 50... not a lot either :)

Alvar

I always forget, when is natty realesed? I want to w8 a month after that..

Takkat

my most viewed "Popular" Q is a closed one O.o

@Alvar wiki.ubuntu.com/NattyReleaseSchedule

htorque

:D

Alvar

"htorqueLoL

Fail

htorque

the unity shortcuts question has been viewed 9,147 times \o/ by the end of the week i'll be the gold badge leader

i'll certainly put that in my CV

haha

Takkat

07:15

@htorque my congrats :)

htorque

yeah, that's really going to make my life much better :D

Alvar

Haha had qestion in apple that had 22k views

Takkat

If things go on like that I'll get the Unsung Hero - was 3 to go only last week but got a vote on one of these, so still longer to go ;)

maybe I'll fail from the percentage by then :D

htorque

i'm not sure you can get unsung hero w/o cheating

Takkat

I have 7 zero vote accepted answers already

htorque

07:21

i'll find the one with the upvote and downvote it :D

Takkat

:P

won't help, too many upvoted accepted answers :)

htorque

but you got 16 1-score answers :D

Takkat

sure I always anwers the most boring questions - hehe

htorque

;-)

Stefano Palazzo

08:45

@GeorgeEdison I forgot to mention something yesterday: the Counter() object I use to call most_common(x) on is a Multiset, it uses bisection-sort on a heap structure to solve k-largest, if it were a straightforward hash-table, performance would be quadratic as a function of the size of total search results (not just maxsize!), so that's important

And a multiset is just a set which has an associated "count" value for every item

This way, most_common() is strictly O(n log n), I guess.

and this is what it looks like

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

09:17

How to get serial number of monitor from ubuntu http://bit.ly/fLoHmO #linux

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 11, 2011 at 9:09 AM

Stefano Palazzo

10:22

@GeorgeEdison In case you find it useful, here's a quick test script: paste.ubuntu.com/592547 and this is the sort of output I get: paste.ubuntu.com/592546 (running both on localhost, old single core laptop, 3gb of ram)

htorque

10:51

0

Q: why all controversials about dconf and gconf?

hi i'm just joined in unix and ubuntu comunity. i've read a lot of discussion about new ubuntu configuration tool: dconf is replaced by gconf. why this change? why all thoose debates? is there too difficult to create a gconf2dconf tool?

anyone know any discussions about that topic? :-?

Oli

@htorque I've seen plenty of rants, googling around but I can't find anything succinct to explain why dconf exists

htorque

11:18

and @JorgeCastro got his second guru badge - nice!

Ask Ubuntu Twitter

12:09

Desktop / indicator widget http://bit.ly/eMEmtZ #unity

Tweeted by StackUbuntu on April 11, 2011 at 12:09 PM

Marco Ceppi

12:24

So upsetting. Going for the fanatic badge. Missed one day by a few hours. 251 days visted, 1 consecutive. What a lucrative badge :\

Oli

@MarcoCeppi You mean fanatic?

legendary is the 150 rep-maximums

Marco Ceppi

Yeah, the 100 day consecutive badge

Psh, no where near that. I think you're probably the closest of all of us

Oli

@MarcoCeppi I'm a way off even getting Epic (the silver, 50-maximums) version

But just to rub it in:

251 days, 251 consecutive

Marco Ceppi

yeah, I think I have like 5 days over you - but I've missed 5 days. No internet, hangovers, etc.

Oli

@MarcoCeppi That's what 3G on the phone, Ibuprofen, etc are for :P

Marco Ceppi

12:32

haha, yes indeed

Oli

13:30

What's worse: that I'm happy that my rep is all twos; or that I spent 10 minutes finding bad answers to vote down to bring my rep down to 22222?

Marco Ceppi

Neither?

Oli

YEY!

Octavian Damiean

hello :)

Stefano Palazzo

lol @oli

Jorge Castro

soon I will have 100 bronzes!

Slipstream

13:45

hey guys what are the square avatar things that load of people on here have.

like stefano and trampster

Jorge Castro

it's when you don't set one

the system picks one of those

Slipstream

theyre pretty cool, are they completely random or are they generated from some data somehow

Stefano Palazzo

@Slipstream it's generated from the MD5 hash of my email-address

the service that does this is gravatar

Alvar

:D

Stefano Palazzo

@Slipstream the idea is, if I have your email address (say you're commenting on my blog), I can go to gravatar and automatically put your picture next to the comment, without you having to do anything

Alvar

13:53

coooooooool

Slipstream

@StefanoPalazzo cheers I'll check it out, and yeah sorry about the keyboard slip...

Alvar

but it's a huge work around to use gravatar on just SE!

:(

Stefano Palazzo

I just calculate the md5 hash of your email address, and the image I want is at gravatar.com/avatar/<your-emails-md5>

Alvar

ha

Slipstream

thats pretty neat

Stefano Palazzo

13:55

It is awesome, I use it in my lens to display your avatars when you search for Users

@MarcoCeppi or any other html-people, can you help me out with something?

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo Sure

Jorge Castro

hey @StefanoPalazzo

"so it sounds like maybe a race which' result depends on whether the disk cache is warm or cold..?"

Stefano Palazzo

hiya @jorge :-)

Jorge Castro

is what kamstrup thinks might be happening on login why the lens doesn't start

Stefano Palazzo

@MarcoCeppi So, I'm running this code through pygments: `<pre><code>bla <>
</code></pre>`

and out comes this kind of thing: <span class="o">&</span><span class="n">gt</span>

(correctly)

Is there any trick I'm missing to avoid this?

Marco Ceppi

14:00

I don't use pygments (not a python man :\ )

Stefano Palazzo

@MarcoCeppi but there isn't a way in HTML to, sort of, escape them again?

@JorgeCastro that sounds rather weird, what's causing it? Who's involved in the race?

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo You could try the number entities escape: > for > and < for <

Stefano Palazzo

@MarcoCeppi oh, I'll give that a go, thanks!

Jorge Castro

@StefanoPalazzo "jcastro, if the AU lense starting watching for the active property to change, that could cause some problems"

@StefanoPalazzo this is the thing where my lens doesn't work when I log in

I have to manually restart the daemon and restart unity each time

Stefano Palazzo

right

I'll look into the code and see if I do any such thing

@JorgeCastro If you find some time, maybe try putting a sleep at the very top of the code, see if that solves it? (I guess, if I understand what kamstrup is saying, that should get rid of it)

like import time; time.sleep(5);

before the people at canonical did all the work to make booting faster, the kernel was full of this kind of thing :-)

Jorge Castro

14:19

@StefanoPalazzo ok I will try that

@StefanoPalazzo in which file do I put that in?

Stefano Palazzo

it should at lest tell us something about what's going on, I'd rather not leave it in for the release though :)

Joshua Robison

What is Gnome's competition?

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro just at the top of the daemon script, after all the comments

Joshua Robison

#1 kde right?

#2 xfce right?

Stefano Palazzo

@JoshuaRobison something like that, yes

Joshua Robison

14:22

#3 lxde?

Stefano Palazzo

its KDE <> GNOME, and then a bunch of smaller ones, and another bunch smaller ones, and so on, until you get to Qtile

Joshua Robison

@stefano Is that all of them?

Stefano Palazzo

:-D

@JoshuaRobison gnome doesn't really compete with things like AwesomeWM and OpenBox, I guess you could say, their main competitors are windows and Mac OS X

as in they are actively trying to get users to switch from those to gnome

but they're not bothered about Tiling window managers and Enlightenment, I'd say.

Joshua Robison

Stefano: so I am kind of new to linux so It is hard sometimes to distinguish between distributors and file managers like Nautilus and then window managers like gnome etc... that's why I wanted a list of Gnome alternatives

@StefanoPalazzo: do you know where I can get a list of all the Gnome alternatives?

Marco Ceppi

@JoshuaRobison You could ask on Ask Ubuntu (If you're looking for Gnome Alternatives for Ubuntu) or on Unix & Linux

There are definitely A LOT of WM alternatives

Stefano Palazzo

14:27

@JoshuaRobison just a sec

Joshua Robison

@MarcoCeppi thanks Ill do that

Stefano Palazzo

Comparison of X Window System desktop environments

A desktop environment is a collection of software designed to give functionality and a certain look and feel to an operating system. This article applies to operating systems which are capable of running the X Window System, mostly Unix and Unix-like operating systems such as Linux, Solaris, FreeBSD, and Mac OS X. Microsoft Windows is incapable of natively running X applications; however, third-party X servers like Cygwin/X or Xming are available. Technical elements of a desktop environment A desktop environment (DE) can be broken up into several components that function independent...

there you are (:

Joshua Robison

@StefanoPalazzo Awesome thanks : D

Stefano Palazzo

KDE Software Compilation
GNOME
Xfce
LXDE
ROX Desktop
Étoilé
EDE
Enlightenment

these are the ones wikipedia deem important it seems

Marco Ceppi

Didn't include Ratpoison :(

Stefano Palazzo

14:32

@MarcoCeppi I've got another html question :-)

Does anybody use or do any browsers support mathml?

Roland Taylor

possibly firefox

but I'm not 100% sure

Stefano Palazzo

I must be doing something wrong, this is webkit

Roland Taylor

I highly doubt webkit supports it

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo You could just use man2html

Roland Taylor

oh btw @StefanoPalazzo do you still have unimock debs?

I have to reinstall after I upgrade to Natty

Stefano Palazzo

14:35

@RolandTaylor which one was that again?

@MarcoCeppi huh?

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo it converts binary to text

(and I had - still have - plans to add appindicator support)

Stefano Palazzo

indicator, eh?

@RolandTaylor quick search reveals a bunch of files in my Ubuntu One directory, let me pack them up and send them your way

Roland Taylor

ty ^^

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo I don't think any browsers support the Man Markup - so you could write a Man page and just use man2html to convert it to an HTML file

Stefano Palazzo

@MarcoCeppi sorry you must have misunderstood :-D

I was talking about mathml,

Roland Taylor

14:39

rofl

Stefano Palazzo

$user image$

Roland Taylor

@MarcoCeppi have you had your coffee today? :D

gives Marco a customary lol cookie

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo Ah, thought it said manhtml

Stefano Palazzo

heh

Roland Taylor

speaking of manhtml, there is a firefox addon for that

but I don't think it's maintained

Stefano Palazzo

14:41

> Of the major web browsers, recent versions of Gecko browsers (e.g., Firefox and Camino),[5] WebKit browsers (e.g., Chrome and Safari) and the Opera web browser support MathML natively.

~wikipedia

But it doesn't seem to work

this is what it looks like

and this is what it should look like

Roland Taylor

hmm

seems you'll have to use images :(

Alaukik

1

Q: Is there an user activity monitor/alarm?

There once was a tool called Active Work Tracker for Windows from Brigsoft. What it basically did was to monitor user activity, sound alarm after a predefined period (say 60 minutes), wait another predefined time (say 5 minutes) when user was supposed to take a break (which was recognized as lac...

software-recommendation monitoring

Stefano Palazzo

I'm writing this paper, and for it I'm writing a sort of editor, because I can't be bothered to use latex (of which I only know the maths stuff). The plan was to only use text-based xml type formats, like mathml for maths, svg for graphs and so on

I know you can somehow embed images in URLs, base64 encoded or something, maybe I'll have to use something like that

Roland Taylor

cool

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor send an email to [email protected], then I can reply and attach the unimock sources

(so you don't have to give your your email address here)

Roland Taylor

14:54

cool sending

Stefano Palazzo

I'd need to rummage through my desk to find the password for the university's webserver, so email it is ;-)

Roland Taylor

sent ^^

Alaukik

@Oli even jarek said that statement sarcastically (omgubuntu.co.uk/?p=12570#comment-180161055).

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