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jgbelacqua

12:01 AM

@jorge -- I wasn't around... what'd I break?

TheX

12:14 AM

metro.co.uk/weird/…

jgbelacqua

@TheX your firewall question is turning askubuntu into a snarling mass of vitriolic vicious jackals. To quote someone on something else.

I may be overdramatizing a bit.

TheX

@jgbelacqua what do you mean?

jgbelacqua

Well, I'm just surprised at how strongly some people feel one way the other. 'useless'! essential! etc.

TheX

ahh right of course...

all I wanted to know was it necessary to have a firewall enabled...

jgbelacqua

People were having a nice quiet tea time before that question rolled around.

TheX

12:18 AM

I didn't mean to start a flame war or anything

jgbelacqua

ha

well, haven't had any name calling, so we're good

TheX

I have gotten a boat load of rep for it though so I am good...

jgbelacqua

how evil of you. Terribly, terribly evil.

yeah, my highest rated answer on anything is on unix 101 stuff. I'm kind of embarrassed for myself.

TheX

lol

ajmitch

how to get rep 101: post an inflammatory question & solicit answers

jgbelacqua

12:20 AM

hey, I can see Narnia from here! smaller than I expected.

oh, wait. it's a matchbook cover.

TheX

@jgbelacqua I think some of those really get a lot of votes, because that is what noobs are asking for, but are not willing to show their lack of knowledge?

jgbelacqua

@ajmitch ha.

@TheX well, there are actually useful tips and whatnot in most of the threads like that.

so I guess it's not the worst thing ever

TheX

but apparently they piss most people off...

as a side effect

jgbelacqua

someone is wrong on the internet, and all

whoops -- gotta go. bye

TheX

bye

OMG Mozilla is releasing a RC for FF4 next Friday!

George Edison

1:07 AM

FF4? I've been using it for months :P

(The alpha / beta of course.)

TheX

@GeorgeEdison i know but I thought it might be turning into vapor ware

George Edison

I don't blame you... it seems like years since FF3 came out.

No wait. It has been years.

TheX

lol

yeah IE has a faster release plan then firefox has currently

George Edison

Double lol.

[Is that a valid sentence?]

Jorge Castro

@jgbelacqua so I was thinking about this one, I was going to edit but then I figured I would just run it by you first: askubuntu.com/questions/26104/…

@jgbelacqua I was thinking, put Bruno's answer on the top, since he basically answers the question, and then the rest of the answer

TheX

1:16 AM

Can music be trusted?

George Edison

@JorgeCastro Don't edit it!

Jorge Castro

I wasn't

George Edison

I think (if anything) it needs more humor.

Jorge Castro

I think the humor is fine, just that the answer to the question should be upfront

George Edison

Too late.

The sneaky George Edison has struck again.

(Actually I didn't do that much to it.)

djeikyb

1:33 AM

@TheX what do you mean? like, can mp3 files be trojans?

TheX

@djeikyb no, like can i trust the artist to be honest, and sincere when writing their lyrics...

djeikyb

i think i missed something

TheX

@djeikyb nevermind...

George Edison

Honest and what...?

...music?

TheX

2:21 AM

►

jgbelacqua

3:36 AM

@JorgeCastro @jorge -- finally back to the computer. I actually considered the same edit, probably just didn't do it because of inertia -- it does make sense to put Bruno on top. It's fine with me if you want.

wow, I threw an extra jorge in there. I wonder if you get two notifications.

The music part of this thread is over my head. I couldn't relate to the rap thing, because I haven't used windows in so long. ;P

TheX

anyone have any experience with content management systems?

jgbelacqua

@TheX nothing to speak of. I think I've installed several/most of the well-known ones, and uninstalled them quickly. Too much work for me.

TheX

@jgbelacqua I see...

jgbelacqua

are you using for a work thing?

that makes no sense. I hope you can parse better than I can compose.

whatcha need a CMS for?

just use good old pen and paper, a rolodex, scotch tape, binders, and a mimeograph machine. That's your CMS.

TheX

@jgbelacqua I am a web designer at work...

or at least that is one of my main functions...

so I just like to play with different technologies...

and if I find that they work better then what I have in place now, I will replace them

@ajmitch I have an iPad for all of this just use good old pen and paper, a rolodex, scotch tape, binders, and a mimeograph machine. That's your CMS.

Stefano Palazzo

3:49 AM

@TheX I haven't set up a server in quite some time now, but as I remember there are a bunch of them in the repositories, right? So you could just try them out quite easily on virtualbox

jgbelacqua

ipad makes me think of work. Users : "I can't run anyconnect VPN on my ipad/iphone/apple tool. Your network is broken."

TheX

@StefanoPalazzo yeah the server part is easy done that 100's of times

Stefano Palazzo

@TheX no, I mean packages for the whole deal, so you don't have to set up anything

jgbelacqua

Last thing I tried out was joomla. I think the server part is way harder than installing most of these.

TheX

@ajmitch lol, I use my iPad for what it was made for, to organize my life, and for an oversized mp3 player/ movie viewer

Stefano Palazzo

3:51 AM

try "sudo apt-get install typo3", that's one I'm sure is there

TheX

@StefanoPalazzo I am installing LAMP (XAMP)

jgbelacqua

Did you do sudo apt-get install lamp-server^ ?

George Edison

@TheX I've written a couple... why?

TheX

@jgbelacqua yeah

@GeorgeEdison I am just playing around

George Edison

@TheX: You should install JetServer.... except it isn't complete yet.

:)

jgbelacqua

3:54 AM

cool....

TheX

@GeorgeEdison just wondering what was the gerneral feeling towards them was

@GeorgeEdison never heard of jetserver

George Edison

Oh, you're in for a treat then.

jgbelacqua

Probably depends on what you need it for?

George Edison

[Prepares for sales pitch...]

Stefano Palazzo

@GeorgeEdison I thought of a feature for jethttp

George Edison

3:55 AM

@Stefano: What?

Stefano Palazzo

make a big button that says "make python stuff work"

;-)

George Edison

Lol.

I have PHP integrated already.

Stefano Palazzo

I've had a bit of frustration with mod_python

George Edison

I imagine Python wouldn't be too hard.

jgbelacqua

@StefanoPalazzo it's surprising how temperamental the software is that runs so much of the internet

Stefano Palazzo

3:57 AM

@GeorgeEdison looks promising: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wsgi

@jgbelacqua I though it's just because I'm no good at sysadmin kinds of things

jgbelacqua

@stefano Well, I'm sure if you do it twenty times you'd be good at it, but it shouldn't be that goofy

TheX

hmmm now to remember where I put my files...

jgbelacqua

weird, when I use @whoever it brings up completely wrong names for autocomplete. '@s' brings up marco and me.

Stefano Palazzo

I must be off, see you all later :)

jgbelacqua

see you

TheX

4:00 AM

@StefanoPalazzo cya

dotjosh

I'm a total newbie in linux.. but how do I get Gnome to remember window location and size for the next time I open them?

TheX

@dotjosh good question, did you try asking on the site?

jgbelacqua

4:20 AM

@dotjosh Hmm, I don't know off-hand, unfortunately.

djeikyb

5:07 AM

is there a guide to the interface somewhere? couple days ago i found out the @ thing by your name is actually a link to a bunch of super useful info

just now i found the squished icon in the upper left is an inbox of sorts

apparently i ignored a couple chat requests from i don't know who

anyway, wondering what else i'm missing :D

maybe i should ask on meta

Jorge Castro

5:35 AM

@djeikyb there's a list.

djeikyb

a list?

Jorge Castro

ugh, can't find it

one sec

91

Q: Recent feature changes to Stack Exchange

It appears that there has been no move to create a formalized official repository of recent changes, so for now, we will be keeping track of it ourselves. RSS feed for this question

I find this one useful

other than that, click around

djeikyb

cool, thanks

Kees Cook

5:57 AM

@JorgeCastro hola

Jorge Castro

hey

@KeesCook so I guess a mod can make something CW, you can just flag it

but why CW it?

Kees Cook

It seems like it's turned into an opinion piece

"Is it needed" is an opinion, not a fact.

there have been decisions about what to do by default. those are facts. "do I need a firewall?" is a decision for a given user.

Jorge Castro

@KeesCook right so it seems you want to vote to close, argumentative

Kees Cook

Is the the right approach? I don't want to tell people they're wrong exactly, but that there isn't going to be a sane outcome on this.

Jorge Castro

well, this question has been argued for how many years now?

and how many more in the future?

Kees Cook

6:05 AM

heh, that's true.

Jorge Castro

so, is there really any value in having it here? It's kind of like ...

"Doors, do I really need one?"

Kees Cook

Okay, voted to close.

I see 2 others did already too.

Jorge Castro

the reason I noticed it is because all the comments made it show up in the 10k tools

Kees Cook

hah, yeah

Jorge Castro

usually questions with a ton of comments = red flag of someone's wrong on the internet

Kees Cook

6:07 AM

/me still giggles at that xkcdism. that's one of his best coinings.

Jorge Castro

yeah

Kees Cook

I did drop a security FAQ link into comments. fwiw

Jorge Castro

so like if the question was more specific maybe, you have people arguing about "I have a laptop" vs. guys saying that having specific logs is handy (aka. server-thinking folks"

speaking of

Kaustubh P

hello, good morning!

the_drow

12:24 PM

hello

Has anyone here tried to use the line6 sound drivers?

Marco Ceppi

1:47 PM

@djeikyb The site is designed to be "Documentation through discovery" if you keep using it, you'll learn about more features :)

karthick87

hi @MarcoCeppi \o/

Marco Ceppi

Hey @karthick87

karthick87

@MarcoCeppi i have a thumb drive full of datas.But when i open today all of a sudden a window pops up saying "Do you want to format it now" is it possible to get back my datas without formatting??

Marco Ceppi

Maybe, but I can't say for sure

karthick87

Now when i check partition type it shows as RAW

Stefano Palazzo

2:02 PM

hello @karthick87, haven't seen you for some time!

karthick87

Hi @StefanoPalazzo i am undergoing training in infosys..

Stefano Palazzo

oh nice!

are you having fun?

karthick87

yeah ofcourse :)

Stefano Palazzo

very cool

@karthick87 try "sudo apt-get install gddrescue", I've never used it but I hear it's good

karthick87

Thank you i will try it :)

TheX

3:40 PM

anyone home?

Kaustubh P

3:57 PM

@TheX yup

Octavian Damiean

hello hello

Kaustubh P

hello @OctavianDamiean

TheX

hi

how is it going @KaustubhP @OctavianDamiean

Octavian Damiean

is totally out of breath

TheX

@OctavianDamiean why so?

Octavian Damiean

4:10 PM

@TheX trying to get in shape again

TheX

@OctavianDamiean ahh yes of course, that is something I have been meaning to do

Marco Ceppi

I'm in quite a shape. Just not the one my girlfriend wants

3

TheX

@MarcoCeppi lol me too except for it is my wife... removed self incriminating evidenence..

* . *

Kaustubh P

@TheX lmao!

@MarcoCeppi having fun with lsof, fuser, and more!

Marco Ceppi

@KaustubhP Nice :D

Octavian Damiean

4:22 PM

I seriously refuse to celebrate Christmas ever again

Kaustubh P

@OctavianDamiean why so?

Octavian Damiean

damn all those nice and tasty cakes and all that

TheX

@OctavianDamiean why?

Kaustubh P

dysfunctional family? (no offence)

Marco Ceppi

I just installed 10.10 on this sucker:

amazon.com/…

Rugged Ubuntu

TheX

4:23 PM

@KaustubhP none taken, I hate my family too

Octavian Damiean

@KaustubhP nope just too much tasty stuff to eat

makes me fat ...

Kaustubh P

@OctavianDamiean wow, theres a girl in you somewhere :P

Marco Ceppi

@OctavianDamiean Makes me hungry

Kaustubh P

waiting to come out!

Octavian Damiean

@KaustubhP hehe

@KaustubhP actually there is a girl somewhere but not in me. That girl definitely has an influence on all that

Kaustubh P

4:25 PM

hehe! i can understand :P

George Edison

How can I interest the developers of this:

bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/checkgmail/+bug/708473

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi round is a shape!

George Edison

@Jorge: Any advice?

Octavian Damiean

@JorgeCastro ture

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro I went from this:

to this

In about 3 years. I'm in shape just not the same shape I used to be

Kaustubh P

4:29 PM

:O

the first pic reminded me of peter pan :P

George Edison

ideone.com

TheX

SEXY!

George Edison

^---- Online IDE.

Apparently it can compile over 40 languages and show you the output.

Kind of like jsfiddle.net for C++/Python/etc...

Octavian Damiean

@GeorgeEdison very interesting stuff!

Kaustubh P

@GeorgeEdison awesome!

Octavian Damiean

4:31 PM

@MarcoCeppi yea well I went from a decent six-pack to a one-pack within four years and I haven't noticed ...

Kaustubh P

@OctavianDamiean other than a bulging stomach after food, i am the same afte r so many years

never gone above 60 kgs, like ever.

Octavian Damiean

@KaustubhP well I'm also around 65 but just no longer in the shape I'd used to be

which has to change

Kaustubh P

yeah, shape. i could post mine, and you could post yours, but this might become /b :P

Marco Ceppi

Oh, I don't know what I am in Kgs (Kegs?! :D) but I definitely put on a whole bunch of Lbs

Octavian Damiean

@KaustubhP well no need to I believe ya ;)

@MarcoCeppi kg == kilograms

Jorge Castro

4:36 PM

@MarcoCeppi I need to hit the gym too

Marco Ceppi

I've been going for the last month, just not everyday

TheX

I have a brand new treadmill.... have had it for a year or so... and it still remains like new...

Octavian Damiean

@GeorgeEdison the only thing that makes me sad about this ideone is that the Java template coding style is wrong. I seriously don't understand why people use C style curly braces formatting in Java

TheX

I thought for sure is I spent 500 dollars on a piece of equipment I would feel bad if I didn't use it....

Marco Ceppi

@OctavianDamiean C Style - you mean 1TBS K&R style?

Oh, it's Allman - dude, the Allman code style is my favorite

Indent style

In computer programming, an indent style is a convention governing the indentation of blocks of code to convey the program's structure. This article largely addresses the C programming language and its descendants, but can be (and frequently is) applied to most other programming languages (especially those in the curly bracket family). Indent style is just one aspect of programming style. Indentation is not a requirement of most programming languages. Rather, programmers indent to better convey the structure of their programs to human readers. In particular, indentation is used to show th...

Octavian Damiean

4:42 PM

@MarcoCeppi yea K&R on Java is just not correct

Marco Ceppi

@OctavianDamiean The template I loaded is using Allman

Octavian Damiean

err yea sorry Allman

Marco Ceppi

<3 Allman - it's the best, better than the rest

Octavian Damiean

<3 1TBS

Marco Ceppi

narrows eyes This friendship is over

:P

Octavian Damiean

4:45 PM

:D

Marco Ceppi

It just looks niced IMO: bazaar.launchpad.net/~marco-ceppi/apturlredirector/php5oop/view/…

Octavian Damiean

I don't know mate ... every time I see such code I feel I have to reformat it :p

Kaustubh P

wow, that was quite a rabbit hole, was kicked out of the room, took 10 mis to log back in :/

Marco Ceppi

@OctavianDamiean I'm curious - what was your first coding language learned?

@KaustubhP That happens sometimes. The session gets reset in chat

Kaustubh P

TBS FTW!

thank god eclispe can auto-indent :)

Octavian Damiean

4:48 PM

@MarcoCeppi actually PHP where Allman is the standard but I'm on Java for over a year now and I love 1TBS

Marco Ceppi

@OctavianDamiean That's so weird. I've learned Java in Allman style.

Octavian Damiean

@MarcoCeppi :o

Marco Ceppi

Indent styles are like Vi v. Emacs or Microsoft v Apple debates

Kaustubh P

@MarcoCeppi @OctavianDamiean TBS is so much cleaner, and looks compact IMO.

Octavian Damiean

@MarcoCeppi well you're right hehe

Marco Ceppi

4:51 PM

Brackets are important! They deserve their own line :)

Kaustubh P

@MarcoCeppi They are small, but important cogs, they are silent helpers, and hence must sacrifice their own line!

for sparta!!

TheX

Steve Jobs might die :(

Kaustubh P

yeah, he is ill. lets hope he is getting his iMedicine.

TheX

@KaustubhP that was bad... but funny

you would think with all of his innovation and knowldege he would have been the guy to cure cancer... name it iCure or something...

Octavian Damiean

laters guys ... got stuff to do

Kaustubh P

5:01 PM

@OctavianDamiean bubye!

TheX

cya

George Edison

5:11 PM

...none of this mentions naming conventions though.

I adopted Mircosoft's (yes, I know) convention of InitialLetterCamelCase.

thameera

My Ubuntu won't boot. It displays the boot splash screen and doesn't go beyond. What can I do?

anyone?

TheX

what version of UBUNTU, what kind of computer?

thameera

ubuntu 10.10, in my laptop which is a core2duo

TheX

@thameera what is the make and model?

thameera

it's a hp pavilion

it worked fine so far

but stopped working today

George Edison

5:21 PM

Do you get an error?

thameera

nope, just the boot splash.

George Edison

Can you boot to a text prompt?

thameera

mm.. how can i do that?

i've now booted it with a live usb

George Edison

5

A: Booting ubuntu desktop into command prompt

You can edit the kernel parameters in grub to add text as a boot parameter. To do that temporarily (just for the current boot), you can edit the boot menu entry by pressing e (if you don't want the default boot menu entry, first select the one you want). If you don't see the boot menu, you can ...

TheX

@thameera is this after an update?

thameera

5:22 PM

I tried to do something with gparted today, but didn't make any changes

the problem came after that

@GeorgeEdison thanks, I'll try that

@GeorgeEdison what if I can boot to a text prompt? what are my options after that?

George Edison

Can you run startx?

thameera

5:38 PM

didn't try yet, i'll see, thanks

Octavian Damiean

6:02 PM

I'm back :)

Kaustubh P

@OctavianDamiean me too!

Octavian Damiean

wb then :)

Kaustubh P

theres something about pizza at midnight thats so satsfying!

TheX

@KaustubhP that is a great idea!

Octavian Damiean

no more Pizza and the like for me ... only salads

TheX

6:04 PM

except for it is mid day for me...

how is it that out of 74.5 gbs of HD space, I have 10 free....

Kaustubh P

@OctavianDamiean they can be awesome too.. wait.. yo need chat masala for that :)

Octavian Damiean

@KaustubhP well there is nothing better than my special corn salad with balsamic vinegar, finely chopped garlic and styrian pumpkin seed oil with a pinch of salt

TheX

I like salad...

with some girlled chicken

and some cheese

and maybe a bit of honey mustard

Octavian Damiean

lol

TheX

and some green pepper and cucumber

Kaustubh P

6:14 PM

@TheX wow, thats no longer a salad :P

TheX

lol

Octavian Damiean

that salad would throw an IllegalArgumentException

Kaustubh P

@OctavianDamiean lmao!

TheX

@OctavianDamiean what... I wash the lettuce so there are no bugs

Kaustubh P

man, this chat gets better and better!

Octavian Damiean

6:19 PM

@TheX exceptions aren't bugs they are features

but I got the word pun tho :p

TheX

nothing worse then having a buggy salad though

Octavian Damiean

yea thats true

but then again an unwashed salad should throw an IllegalStateException

TheX

brb

Octavian Damiean

well not your salad but your eat method actually

Stefano Palazzo

7

Q: Facebook and Gmail stop working after 10 minutes

I have problems with facebook and gmail only: It works fine and lets me log in, view the content, read new messages, etc. But after 5-10 minutes it doesn't load at all: This webpage is not available. The webpage at http://www.facebook.com/ might be temporarily down or it may have mov...

10.10 networking firefox 64-bit google-chrome

I'll have to award my bounty on this in the next hours.

Allan

6:27 PM

any one else having ff4 b11 held back?

Stefano Palazzo

The top answer is quite good, but it doesn't solve the problem. here's a chance for you to write up some brilliant explanation of the error, general troubleshooting tips and so on.

badp

Protip: middle click on scrollbars.

Stefano Palazzo

Thanks @badp, very cool!

:D

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi Hey so I don't think you should bother with notify-osd and chrome downloads

badp

Much faster than reaching on that (barely visible) thumb

Jorge Castro

6:29 PM

@MarcoCeppi I'm going to talk to them about just putting the progress in the launcher

TheX

@badp can't you middle click anywhere for the same effect?

badp

@TheX that's exactly what I said

I just started using it recently though

TheX

@badp you said the scroll bar

I said anywhere

badp

           thumb
           ____
           `   `
[<]#########[###]##########[>]
`-----------------------------`
 scrollbar

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro Okay cool

It was a low priority item. HTML5 is first

badp

6:36 PM

(note only the `#`s mark where middle click works that way, so we're both wrong)

Jorge Castro

yeah, plus in upstream trunk > extension

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro ?

Jorge Castro

I'm asking them to just support it natively

Marco Ceppi

Ah

Roland Taylor

7:15 PM

hi

TheX

@RolandTaylor yo!

Roland Taylor

@TheX hey :D what's crackin?

TheX

@RolandTaylor ehh you know same stuff different day...

Roland Taylor

lol

question - is there such a thing as multipolar disorder?

If not, I'm going to come up with the term and diagnose myself with it >:]

TheX

7:37 PM

umm

lets google it

Multipolar disorder is a mental disorder which includes a broad range of intense and sometimes violent emotions. Bipolar disorder alternates between two basic polarities, mania and depression. Multipolar disorder is marked by frequently reoccurring episodes of catatonia, melancholia, psychotic depression, mania and hypomania. Like bipolar disorder, multipolar disorder is characterized by intensity and frequency of emotional outbursts and grandiose

Read more: Multipolar Disorder | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/about_5499576_multipolar-disorder.html#ixzz1ELEGhP8L

Roland Taylor

argh

there goes the Nobel Chaos Prize

:@

TheX

sorry

you could go with polypolar?

you could call it pp for short

lol

Roland Taylor

lol maybe :D

I need an excuse for raging unfairly at @JorgeCastro

Manux

not really related, but can a computer overheat after a few seconds if there is a serious lack of thermal paste?

Roland Taylor

yep

Manux

7:45 PM

is thermal paste cheap?

hmm

praise google shopping

Roland Taylor

I got mine with the processor so Idk the going rate

Marco Ceppi

@Manux It's pretty cheap

Manux

well thanks. Other question if you might. I'm using wubi and I'm starting to lack disk space on my ubuntu partition, is it safe to put some heavy stuff on the windows partition (/host) from say the /usr directory and symlink it there?

Marco Ceppi

@Manux I would strongly recommend not doing that.

Roland Taylor

I don't think you should be using wubi for such a situation at all

best to just give ubuntu a proper install with it's own partition

Manux

7:50 PM

ok

Marco Ceppi

What you could do - as the majority of the large files will be in /home is either create a new home.disk (like another partiion - but will be stored just like current wubi disk) or sym link your home folder into your /host directory

I typically Symlink my Music, Documents, Picture, and Movies from Windows -> Ubuntu

so they're available in both drives, not duplicated, and conserve Wubi disk space

Manux

ok I'll try that, thanks!

TheX

wubi is good for testing enviroments if you want a more "true" situation than a virtual machine

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