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User1865345
User1865345
03:13
@AdrianKeister The response to this post is interesting. +5/-5 at the moment. What amazes me is how easy it is to control people with "panic-speak." I would guess that without statistical training the minuses would outnumber the pluses. The AstroZenica jab is now off the market because of clot formation, and we, geologically speaking, are in an interglacial period of the Holocene having a cold, dry climate with low carbon dioxide. We are at risk because of unsubstantiated ideas promoted by rabid ideologues with vested interests. With time, more people will understand this. — Carl 21 mins ago
So a climate change denier :-)
User1865345
User1865345
03:30
@Sycorax so there would be two committee: PAC and LAB. There has been discussion of the mod election. But I couldn't follow what the changes are. Particularly, the theory of moderation was a point of discussion.
 
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Nick Cox
Nick Cox
06:52
It is a real compliment to be mentioned as a possible new moderator, but sorry, I would not stand for a large variety of reasons from personal to political.
 
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User1865345
User1865345
08:03
@NickCox sure, Nick Cox, as I said, I have few names in mind who are experienced, seasoned (pardon my bias for I have had better interactions with them over the past one year or so). But only they would be the one who would decide whether they would like to join the team.
@Galen never say never ;-)
Nick Cox
Nick Cox
08:20
I start with not having any stance whatsoever on AI except that I don't want it to mess up CV. So, I am fairly clueless on that front. Beyond that, my skirmishes with awkward or malevolent posters lead me to conclude that I have neither taste nor talent for the military side of moderation. Beyond that, there are more personal reasons.
Stephan Kolassa
Stephan Kolassa
08:55
@User1865345 Thank you for the suggestion. However, I really can't commit to being able to invest the time in moderating. I don't want to do a half-assed job.
Also, I am indeed spooked a bit by what has been happening with the entire SE ecosystem over the last number of years. I am actually not all that concerned about using SE as fodder for LLMs, but the way the company is communicating this is utterly tone-deaf. I have been thinking of SE (the company) in terms of institutional narcissism, and pretty much every pronouncement from them confirms this view.
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This is not an entity I want to associate any more closely with than absolutely necessary. I suspect there are others around that feel similarly. And yes, I am saddened that this reduces the value of CV to the entire statistical community.
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Bottom line: if I did have the time to commit here, I would by now probably rather invest it in pushing a statistical site at Codidact or Top Answers.
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User1865345
User1865345
09:58
@NickCox sure. I would always respect your stance.
@StephanKolassa well said, Stephan. I wasn't there during the Monica episode (in fact, it even came to news too, but I wasn't invested to SE at that time). But whatever things happened over the past two years of my existence here, I think I cannot disagree with you and what others have articulated.
Point is, lately, even though SE says they listen to the community, they would out of nowhere impose some sort of decision that is panned by the community en masse. This indicates the indifference towards the community, the lack of any proper and effective continuation of a viable communication, in spite of whatever they say as platitudes after each episode of blunder.
@StephanKolassa hm. I have heard about few disgruntled physics users exiting SE and creating Physics Overflow (modelled after MO), catering to researchers and graduates. Don't know whether it's a success or not.
I am skeptical about whether there can be such an effective community run site outside the ecosystem of SE. For you may disagree with the latest antics of the company, but I think we do have to agree that over the years, these sites have been able to nurture some of the finest communities of the subject concerned. To be able to replicate this outside SE, I'm not sure about that.
Although on the maths front, there were previous (most now defunct) successful forums like ask a topologist, mathsci etc. Many of those users have/had participated in Math.SE after its creation.
 
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Stephan Kolassa
Stephan Kolassa
11:51
@User1865345 The community is the product of SE, or more precisely, the product is the Q&A, and the community is the manufacturing or operations arm of the company. Some tension between sales & marketing and operations is absolutely normal. It just looks like SE is completely S&M driven and pays almost zero attention to the people and processes that, you know, create the stuff they make money with.
Investors pay close attention to the product pipeline of other companies, and they would be concerned if a carmaker systematically disregarded their manufacturing plants. It seems like SE thinks that they are different just because they don't pay their operating departments.
User1865345
User1865345
@StephanKolassa absolutely true.
I don't know why the current leadership is steering the company the way they are doing. But I guess, the simplest solution is to pay heed to what the community is saying. Simply imposing something only to coming with some platitudes subsequently isn't doing any healthy favor to the system.
I have no idea about Codidact or other related things. I am very much oblivious of the logistics needed to run a community driven Q&A site (and not a forum). BTW, for context, PO is run by the servers of University of Bielefeld Physics department [source]
I am still not pessimistic enough to abandon any hopes on SE, though. But let's see what happens.
Hm. I see now the prospect of Codidact has been discussed albeit briefly by the Math community:
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Q: Are there any alternatives to Mathematics Stackexchange?

PoseidaanI have been low-key using the platform for a while. I often read meta-posts and notice that there appears to be increasing discontent with the way Stack Exchange manages the sites; both with regard to moderator rights/permissions and with regard to new feature rollouts. In light of this, I am won...

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usεr11852
usεr11852
13:23
Sometimes I wish I could downvote comments.
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Stephan Kolassa
Stephan Kolassa
@usεr11852 You can flag them for the mods to deal with if appropriate.
User1865345
User1865345
14:23
@usεr11852 posts after posts have been written on this at Meta. But as Stephan pointed out, you can resort to flagging.
Nick Cox
Nick Cox
15:21
Comments were only ever intended, I think, to be utterly transient and are thereby treated as trivial. I think upvoting was intended to be consistent with that in that an upvote avoids an even more trivial comment of the form "I agree with X". Conversely, a downvote isn't so transparent. Not that I think this: on CV the comments are often as or more interesting than the answer, even if sometimes unruly, furious, bizarre or otherwise unhelpful.
 
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User1865345
User1865345
16:59
@NickCox exactly. Comments are ephemeral.
BTW. Maybe I have less intellect. But I am not sure what's happening beneath Carl's answer for not being able to understand the context and meaning ¯_(ツ)_/¯
 
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Scortchi - Reinstate Monica
Scortchi - Reinstate Monica
18:21
Inept & overweening though S.E. Inc. may be, the company haven't interfered at all - to the best of my knowledge - in the moderation of this site over the nine years since I was elected moderator; nor do I think the ever-more-detailed iterations of codes of conduct have affected moderation since the days of 'Be nice'. I shouldn't like anyone to be deterred from standing for a moderator position by the thought that they'd have a lot of hassle to deal with from that source.
 
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Scortchi - Reinstate Monica
Scortchi - Reinstate Monica
19:44
@User1865345 Same here. I don't even know what the answer itself's referring to - presumably something that happened on another site.
 
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User1865345
User1865345
21:26
@Scortchi-ReinstateMonica I am a bit vexed at this unnecessary avoidable nuisance at Tim's resignation page. It is sucking out the solemnity and graveness of the resignation and somewhat diverting it to what can be best described as conspiratorial talking point of right wing circle (climate change denial, vaccine). I didn't understand the whole post.
I fear you missed my point by quite a wide margin. To put it more plainly, I find your post to be irrelevant, ahistorical, fear-mongering, grandiose, but mostly, incredibly ironic — alan ocallaghan 2 hours ago

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