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12:00 AM
There exist more than three leads, of course. There are four stable leads and a number of unstable ones, as can be learnt from this article.
 
12:31 AM
@AndriyM fake news
 
fake news propagated by a meddling close-enough-proximity-to-russia operative
the situation is dire
 
Meddling is a strange word
 
compared to what
 
Stated as fact. Not going to elaborate 😀
Ok maybe I will
Meddling just sounds funny
 
i invoke the ancient rite of jeagl
 
12:39 AM
Like quite old fashioned
And seems not very serious
 
i enjoy old timey words
 
Um like less than misdemeanor perhaps
 
i once called my old boss LICKSPITTLE
it took him weeks to write me up
 
I demand answers on adapters
demand!
 
12:42 AM
get yourself a debugger
 
I can't imagine a superhero movie villain being accused of meddling for example
 
what about
middling
 
@JoeObbish Not sure what to add.
@sp_BlitzErik Again, quite wishy washy
 
let's I have a 5 million row rowstore dimension table and a 100 million row CCI
 
Ok you have those
 
12:45 AM
I get a batch mode hash join. is that worrisome?
 
to whom?
 
Not to me because the work is productive and unavoidable at present. I'd still like to see the adapter and its runtime cost
 
oh, so that was the missing piece
ok, now that previous statement makes sense to me
 
It was also related to the idea of hinting a batch only plan
The current arrangement too often transitions to row mode on the basis of expected low cardinality that does not eventuate
But moreover I don't like hidden stuff in actual execution plans, which are still among the best performance tuning tools we have
 
"eventuate" might be a new one to me
 
12:55 AM
I've been meddling with freedom language
For which I deserve a medal
Ha ha ha
 
I just gave you a medal
 
Appreciated
 
So some amount of your usual customers have CCIs in prod already?
 
I don't know
I imagine so
 
perhaps you should check in with them
 
1:01 AM
so mysterious
I still feel like I don't know what the hell I'm doing with respect to tuning these queries
 
@sp_BlitzErik I don't know who they are
 
your customers?
 
I suppose it's all relative
we are Paul's customers. we pay in stars and upvotes
and illegal currency
 
@JoeObbish It is. No one really knows what they're doing
 
sometimes I feel like I could give a pretty good presentation on a topic
but sometimes that's terrifying
oh, good news
I feel like I finally understand containment
all it took was working on an Oracle query most of the day today
is that weird?
 
1:04 AM
I vote Yes
@sp_BlitzErik Yep.
 
I read Dmitry's article a few times but it just didn't click
@sp_BlitzErik do you get it?
 
@JoeObbish Oh! I thought you were talking about Contained Databases!
 
ah, my apologies
simple and base containment
does anyone even use contained databases?
 
Yes I see that now 😎
@JoeObbish Not much I don't think.
Probably doesn't help that it's been abandoned at partial containment
 
I'll share my reaction to the Oracle query: youtu.be/dxIPcbmo1_U?t=9s
it's an older reference by design
 
1:10 AM
get what?
sorry, booking travel for holidays
 
@sp_BlitzErik simple and base containment
@sp_BlitzErik WI is great this time of year
 
Cicadas are singing here today
 
is it singing?
 
Not that that information will help with containment
 
I'm all good now. Didn't you watch the video for a few seconds?
 
1:13 AM
I watched it all the way through
 
then you should understand!
does NZ have a film industry?
 
Despite not being familiar with the source material, I got the message
 
??????
 
@JoeObbish A small one I guess
 
are you not a movie guy?
 
1:15 AM
@JoeObbish The video clip. It seems to be from a film I haven't seen
 
Yeah I gathered that. Can't believe you haven't seen Jurassic Park
 
@JoeObbish I like films yes and watch them as time allows. We have Netflix and everything!
@JoeObbish Oh is that where it's from. My wife loves those films but I only really paid attention to one of them, which I think was the last one
 
i think i do
 
first one is the best. still holds up
 
but like most things as soon as someone asks my confidence shatters
 
1:17 AM
That's so cute
 
@sp_BlitzErik you're lucky I didn't know that before Halloween
 
there's always next year
 
man, Paul really knows how to go for the jugular
have you noticed that?
 
@JoeObbish I'm a big fan of Sam Neill but the movies seemed like they were aimed at kids
@JoeObbish What did I do? I'm sat here listening to cicadas on a sunny afternoon minding my own business with a glass of lemon lime and bitters cordial, contemplating the meaning of life
 
is my internet back on?
 
1:22 AM
@PaulWhite have you come to any conclusions yet, you drunkard?
 
@sp_BlitzErik I think the answer may involve sandwiches
@JoeObbish seems so
 
@PaulWhite The way I interrupted your "that's so cute" remark was "Look at these mere mortals who get nervous at the idea of SQL Server questions. I become more powerful whenever someone asks me a question."
DOINK DOINK DOINK
 
DOINK
 
thank you, still new to this chat thing
 
if you were to make a sandwich called the meaning of life, what would the ingredients be?
you're not allowed to say they're different for everyone
 
1:25 AM
@sp_BlitzErik I feel the same way on it. Haven't been tested yet
 
that's pure cowardice
 
@sp_BlitzErik two slices of bread with nothing between them
 
@sp_BlitzErik Good question. Seems like there would have to be 42 ingredients, so quite a labour intensive sandwich
 
hiss
 
@JoeObbish Nope I genuinely found it cute at face value
9 mins ago, by sp_BlitzErik
but like most things as soon as someone asks my confidence shatters
 
1:27 AM
I'm not sure what you expected. Would you like a full refund?
@PaulWhite you're like a dark lord of the sith
(that's a reference to another movie that you haven't seen)
 
I realize this sounds like cheating now but the previous remark did sound like star wars to me
 
oh did the wife like that one too?
anyway I have a great idea
 
I might have to move to the laptop
 
the next time you come to the US we can exchange flash drives of bootleg movies
cultural enrichment
 
The lack of sound on mobile chat is disturbing
 
1:30 AM
I'll watch your movies about kiwi birds
and penguins
 
@JoeObbish it's got to the point where we don't watch films that aren't sci-fi, comic book, or disaster movies
 
same here but even more narrow
don't watch many movies
 
Hm. Laptops really aren't practical in summer
Too bright outside, don't want to be inside
 
I find that you can adjust the brightness and it works ok
 
@JoeObbish I'm not sure I'm a good judge anyway. I really enjoyed Batman vs Superman
 
1:33 AM
just tilt the cover so it's about closed
then stick your head in it
 
@sp_BlitzErik Top tip thanks
The real issue is polarizing sunglasses
 
@sp_BlitzErik who pissed in your glass of lemon lime and bitters cordial?
 
Telling the story backwards I am
 
@PaulWhite I deserve it
but see how easy it is?
 
I was thinking of status 503 or whatever the name is now
@JoeObbish Did you send me a virus?
 
1:37 AM
@PaulWhite if I could send you a virus it would make you miss the US so you'd come to a conference here
then we'd all take a lovely photo together
 
I do actually miss the US. The travel and border control people less so
 
I protest the TSA every time I fly
 
You should have seen my face when I landed at LAX for the first time and they had machine guns
Welcome!
 
It appears our superiority has lead to some controversy
 
1:42 AM
@sp_BlitzErik speaking of which, to which inferior locale are you traveling to for the holidays?
 
@JoeObbish Ha well not quite that big but yeah pretty much along those lines. Pretty scary
@sp_BlitzErik I blame my lack of education.
Or democracy or something
 
Boston
 
I've been there! Twice!
 
that's like a $20 bus ride
 
Snowed the first time
 
1:44 AM
why so complicated?
 
A $20 bus ride is fine when you don't have a five year old
@PaulWhite come to Bits
 
Why would he go to bits? I won't be there
 
I have a hologram of you
 
roughly how much is airfare anyway?
 
Virgin has flights for around $850 round trip including taxes and everything
 
1:49 AM
wait, the conference is only 699 in funny money?
damn, didn't realize how cheap it was
maybe 2019
 
Yeah, and you get to watch me drink in a foreign country
 
I don't have a passport, so the whole thing is just a nonstarter for 2018
 
Man child
 
what's up with those 500 level sessions
at this point they should just get rid of the 500 level
don't they want everything to be more accessible to the community anyway? what an easy win
 
@sp_BlitzErik business class?
 
2:03 AM
No 😢
 
oh yeah
I got a plane story
 
How long is the flight?
 
It's my daughter's birthday, so I got roped into taking not only her and my wife but also a pair of grandparents
So there's five tickets and an airbnb with like 75 bathrooms involved
 
They could make a movie of that
 
if I do go in 2019 can you tell me your flight so I can avoid it? thanks
 
2:05 AM
6 hours I think. France was 7?
 
Ah that's not so bad then
@JoeObbish go on
 
four seats per row in the plane
somehow we were mostly in a group
this was on the way back from summit
I was in 12B, Lonny was in 12C
it was great, we talked shop the whole flight
after we got off some guy asked us what the hell we were talking about
I suppose it must have sounded like gibberish
 
Either of you married?
 
Lonny is married
I don't think I even need to answer on the subject of myself
 
Being married to a hat does not count
 
2:10 AM
he likes to stay somewhat anonymous
 
He should get an identicon
 
I was going to make a shirt with the identicon on it
and wear it to pass
but it ended up being easier to do nothing
 
Cool
Well would have been cool
 
there was also a gag where I'd print it out and hold it over my face
and that would be the picture you'd get
 
Yes I recall
 
2:11 AM
but again, laziness was your ally
 
Disappointing
So it was quite a small airplane?
Or were you in 'first'?
 
relatively small
I refuse to sign up for any airline reward programs, so I'm pretty much never upgraded
that's how I like it
somehow I ended up in first class on a half hour flight once
wasn't a very first class experience imo
 
Oh was it from Seattle to LAX? I vaguely recall that bring a small propellor plane
@JoeObbish No it's a joke frankly
 
MSP to MSN
 
Hmm maybe I'm thinking of Vancouver to Seattle
 
2:15 AM
well it seems like it could be worth it for longer flights
or if you're into free booze
 
It's a slightly better seat but hardly first class by international standards
@JoeObbish don't know those codes
 
my goal when traveling is to make life difficult for TSA agents and to give the airport as little money as possible
@PaulWhite minneapolis to madison
 
I can support that
@JoeObbish ta
 
I've heard that they don't like being called "agent"
my favorite TSA rule from the trip was that we weren't permitted to stand side by side in the line
it was very important
 
Stupidity isn't it
Pointless rules delivered with a grimace
 
2:20 AM
overall the experience was good
 
I blame uniforms and shiny badges
 
it was so crowded that they skipped nearly all of the security measures
no cancer machines for the normal folks
naturally, I felt completely terrified the whole time on the flight!
quaking in my boots
ahem
 
Quite
 
I'm lucky that I made it back
 
I like paying money in exchange for comfort and convenience
 
2:24 AM
hey guys
so, what exactly is a rowstore table?
 
Rows
 
@Lamak The original type of storage i.e. not column store or in-memory OLTP
But Erik nailed it
 
I thought you MVPs have a secret MVP bat signal email list?
 
@PaulWhite serious question: what mystified you the most when you started working with SQL?
 
@sp_BlitzErik how the hell does one pay for "convenience" at an airport?
 
2:28 AM
@JoeObbish Limo from the hotel to the plane door
 
that doesn't sound right. maybe the limo attaches to the bottom of the plane and he flies in that?
 
Tsa precheck, lounge access programs via credit cards or rewards programs, higher grade tickets
 
@sp_BlitzErik That's a really good question. Trying to think back.
 
hiss
I bet you don't even get the free TSA massage
 
@sp_BlitzErik My first outing was with 6.5. Are you talking about SQL the language, or the product SQL Server?
 
2:32 AM
Stick with the product
 
Seriously no queue at check-in, a nice place to wait with free drinks, food, and WiFi, plus no waiting at the gate is worth paying for.
 
@PaulWhite he did
 
But the main value for me is the flight itself
It is possible to actually enjoy flying
 
@PaulWhite but is that it?
 
@Lamak Well yes. A rowstore table is a table stored using the row store engine.
Row versus batch execution is a different thing.
 
2:33 AM
ah, yes, that, I understand
 
i've never seen a good talk about what row store is, but if you're interested in what it isn't...
 
@sp_BlitzErik I'm not sure how relevant this is today, but at the time, I remember finding it hardest to learn about the configuration options. The other stuff I had to learn was reasonably well documented or intuitive,
 
I'd go to a precon on 6.5 if it was taught by an expert
 
6.5 and 7.0 were quite weird in many ways. 7.0 less so I guess.
 
2:36 AM
was 2000 immediately after?
 
Yes straight after seven
Well a couple of years passed
 
what about when it came to querying or indexing?
 
2005 was my oldest version... started on 2008
 
was going back through itzik's posts on itpro. can't believe he's been blogging there since 1999.
 
@JoeObbish It would make a great nostalgia session. Might even be popular.
 
2:38 AM
@PaulWhite you're hired
 
Ah I was a terrible n00b in 6.5 land
You'd need one of the old hands
Erland perhaps
 
@sp_BlitzErik thanks
 
we should all ask and answer sql server 6.5 questions here for April Fools Day
need Jack to put it on db fiddle
 
28 mins ago, by Joe Obbish
but again, laziness was your ally
 
there's no tag for it
 
2:41 AM
thomas grohser tells a funny story about how with like sql server 4.something, he'd have to go into the office an hour before anyone to boot it up
then like 20 some odd years later, it'd take almost as long for a superdome with 4tb of ram to boot up
 
someone asked a sql server 7 question on Nov 12 '15
 
@sp_BlitzErik progress!
 
these questions and answers are great
"I never figured out the root cause of the problem, but installing SQL Server 7 SP4 fixed the issue."
can you believe that guy? in 2014 he still wasn't caught up on service packs
 
change management is hard
 
maybe putting bounties on the sql server 7 unanswered questions would be more practical
 
@sp_BlitzErik I don't get it
 
i don't either
 
@sp_BlitzErik pregress!
 
I also don't get this either:
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A: Are partition numbers guaranteed to be in order of value?

Geoff PattersonI wasn't able to find a formal guarantee of this behavior, but I did find multiple examples — including a modified version of your original example — in which query optimization decisions appear to be made based on a guarantee that partition numbers are in order by value. Here's what I found: Yo...

anyone else read that one? I can't understand how he draws that conclusion
 
tl;dr
 
2:54 AM
@sp_BlitzErik how rude
oh yeah
you want some batch mode stuff for the thing?
 
sure
were you still going to send me an abstract as well?
 
I have terms and conditions
@sp_BlitzErik yes. are you out of office soon?
tbh I kind of forgot about thanksgiving
 
eh only out a couple days next week
 
@JoeObbish The examples only work/are valid if SQL Server has an internal guarantee that partition id direction correlates with partitioning value direction.
 
so if you made a partition function for values 1, 5, 3, 2, 4 it wouldn't sort them?
 
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