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7:13 AM
Mornin'
 
Evenin'
 
7:32 AM
hi
 
What's the opinion about this question:
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Q: Why would anyone uses paid database engine like microsoft or oracle?

Jim ThioQuora uses mysql Foursquare uses mongodb Facebook uses mysql And those are the biggest there is when it comes to database. I mean if people can build something SO BIG with FREE databases. Why do anyone need paid dbms? Not to mention hundreds of other alternatives that I never heard about. If ...

Does it dereve an answer os ir should be closed?
 
Subjective and argumentative in its current form.
 
I downvoted it, but I'm pondering ... If we had a well structured answer to it, it'll not need answering again :)
Did you all miss me
? :)
 
@Phil Yes we did.
On one hand 'why do people still use oracle' is a frequently asked question. It's also a dumb question that reeks mightily of fanboi-ism.
Maybe we could write a blog post titled 'Of course people still use Oracle dumbass.'
 
7:52 AM
@COTW: We could just point to the tens of his questions about MySQL and the bugs and problems he has to deal with.
@Phil: Did you find your junior DBA?
 
Not yet
Seriously pondering just getting a fresh graduate instead
 
I'll probably be in London the 2nd week of July (2 interviews set till now). I''d be happy if you consider me, too.
 
@ypercube That might also help to make the point, but really the question is flamebait.
 
@Concerned: yes, I agree, the wording is pure flame. The answers are not much good, either.
 
@ypercube Sounds like a good excuse for drinkies.
 
7:58 AM
I'll let you know, when I book flights :)
 
@ypercube How long will you be in town for? We have a fold out bed that you're welcome to crash on for a few days. (+ we live quite close to Heathrow).
 
Ah, thnx.
It'll be only for 2-3 days. But i'm waiting till Monday for an answer for 2 more possibilities (one in Scotland)
so, it may be more.
Thank you, anyway.
 
You're welcome. I'm sure the locals here will be up for a few pints while you're over here.
Just make sure you're in and out before the Olympics start. Then London will be a three ring circus.
 
8:27 AM
Morning gents
 
Mornin'
 
@ypercube I replied to your email on Wednesday... did you get it?
 
Yes, thank you. I'll reply today.
 
gbn
8:56 AM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells damn right. what a cluster feck that'll be
 
@gbn One of my clients, were I spend two days a week, is between london and tower bridge... and I take the northern line to get here. could be fun
 
@gbn Apropos of nothing at all, We arrive around midnight on the 6th and depart at 5pm on the 9th. We're staying at the Fortina Spa Resort.
 
gbn
TBH, I'd consider doing that a normal day to be hell on earth
 
@MarkStoreySmith No chance of working from home, or taking a two-month holiday?
 
gbn
Compared to a Glasgow or Zurich or Malta commute
 
9:00 AM
Actually wait, the Olympics are only on for three weeks or so, right?
 
@SimonRigharts I'll head in early, leave late and get off a couple of stops early to walk
 
Prolly better off going on holiday :)
Manchester will be hell this afternoon. Curses the Stone Roses
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Also, if it's the Olympics, wouldn't it be a five-ring circus?
(...I'll get my coat)
 
@SimonRigharts :D
 
My sense of humor is awful at the moment, I blame this cold/flu thing I have
 
9:16 AM
@Phil That was my original plan. Rent the flat out and spend the proceeds on a long holiday. Scuppered.
 
 
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Q: ora-07202 when creating standby database

DelzurI am pretty new to Oracle database, and I am trying to set up a Data guard between two PCs. First one runs Windows server 2008 R2, and the second is on Fedora. Since Oracle version is 11gr2, it is, as far as I read, possible. I followed many tutorials, and reached the step when I need to start t...

Fear my awesome troubleshooting skills
 
 
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JNK
12:39 PM
come on Jim
He won't trouble us for a week
 
1:04 PM
@JNK who won't trouble us for a week?
 
JNK
Jim Thio
 
1:16 PM
Yawn
Anyone got a spare job going?
 
JNK
not currently
 
1:38 PM
I need several spare jobs ..
 
I'm not sure anything on MSO has fired me up as much as this stupid idea to ban snark (and the unfortunate, if controversial, traction it's had thus far)
 
And it's summer, so now the A/C bill is up to $100 from the winter average of $30
joy
 
@BenBrocka Care to provide a link?
 
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Q: If you really want to reduce the snark level

RosinanteSo, the death of WSOIN was intended to help reduce the snarky comment level. I don't see any diminution of the volume of sarcastic comments added to weak questions. I don't write this to reopen the debate. I used to be a fairly aggressive flagger of snark, but I got the sense (impossible to dete...

Unsurprisingly @AaronBertrand has a good answer on it
 
1:48 PM
what's WSOIN?
 
What Stack Overflow Is Not
a Meta post that was deleted
Some people posted some curt comments so we're all a bunch of jerks
 
@jcolebrand was about to ask the same
 
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Q: Stack Overflow Is

Shog9I just deleted What Stack Overflow is Not, a collection of various explanations for things that Stack Overflow doesn't do, wasn't meant to do, or shouldn't be used to do. Several people put a fair bit of time and effort into it, so I felt I should take a minute to explain my reasoning... First I...

 
@jcolebrand S-port
 
2:09 PM
@BenBrocka Sounds like the question is proposing a negative feedback loop of retaliation
 
@BenBrocka Meta mirrors the real world - a lot of the people with high rep there have much lower rep in sites where questions exist (as opposed to questions about questions) - so excuse me while I don't interrupt my hard volunteer work to go read what the chattering classes have to say.
 
Has anyone here had a positive experience with moving a legacy system to the cloud?
 
why does MySQL allows this?
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Q: SQL group & sort by two columns

Darren CraigI'm developing a Facebook application which requires a leaderboard. Scores and time taken to complete the game are recorded and these are organised by score first, then in the case of two identical scores, the time is used. If a user has played multiple times, their best score is used. The lower...

 
@datagod Need more information
@Lamak you'll have to take that up with one of the Montys
 
I have several clients who want to move their existing databases (SQL SERVER) to either the Amazon cloud, or Azure.
These are complicated systems built over several years. My instincts tell me this will be a nightmare. I was hoping there was somebody out there who actually did this and it was NOT a nightmare.
 
2:22 PM
@datagod If it's just Azure infrastructure VMs it's a big difference than if it's on SQL Azure platform. Cloud != Cloud, unfortunately - it's a new twist on the 3-valued logic. Do they just want to host them in a more virtualized infrastructure or change platforms?
 
I guess it depends on what native RDBMS functionality you use. If you just have tables & nothing else it'll be easier
 
@Lamak To annoy SQL experts who have to explain it over and over again.
 
I was just wondering if anyone out there actually moved to the cloud. I have yet to encounter anyone who has done so successfully.
 
Yeah, the "Azure" name spans a variety of different products and terms.
@CadeRoux What's really annoying is when people move from MySQL to Postgres and say "POSTGRES IS INFERIOR - IT CAN'T EVEN DO THIS {{ insert egregious ANSI violation here }} !!!! MYSQL IS WINNAR"
 
@datagod Not me, my current client is on Oracle and 3rd party cloud is not terribly likely. However, the majority of their environment is now on vmware, so in a way, it's already a private cloud - just with limited blade servers to move the stuff around on and we know who's actually managing it.
 
2:34 PM
@datagod Offloaded an LMS from a local ... ahem ... mysql instance to an AWS instance. It was painless. The codebase was complex, but we treated it as @Phil described. It was essentially a VM hosted somewhere else that I Linux admin'd - we just outsourced the hardware.
@datagod so it once again comes down to semantics. if it's just a straight-up database move to a VM hosted in someone else's data center, then meh. you'll have higher network latency, depending on the client, and you wont really be able to test your performance counters. other than that, should be seamless.
 
@swasheck There are so many common problems which SQL didn't adequately help to solve more easily than with standard recipes to work around them. One of these is the "GROUP BY/pick one according to these criteria" problem. SQL Server 2012 finally has some of these things like FIRST_VALUE which are actually ANSI SQL:2008. Getting people to think in terms of what you can ask about a set of aggregates in the first place is a problem which will never be solved.
 
@CadeRoux yeah. reading the history of SQL was pretty humorous. it's by no means a good solution, but it's what we have.
i just get the feeling that mysql more noticeably violates some pretty common sql norms that many do not.
 
2:50 PM
@swasheck Focus is that way as well. It accepts things which it shouldn't and gives results which you can't particularly justify - this grouping issue and also rounding. In some respects CSS/HTML is like that because of implementation vagaries. And I think that is why I dislike working with those platforms.
@swasheck I think it's important for declarative systems to be predictable (do what I say), I know they won't be as deterministic as procedural languages (do how I say), but you have to have something you can rely on. Functional languages (strict, not Javascript) seem to have gotten it right pretty well, but then they aren't really that mainstream.
Sometimes I write my SQL like this for fun:
SELECT *
FROM tablename PLEASE
 
nice table alias :)
longshort of the META.SO snark "question" - people take governance of this site extremely seriously
 
@swasheck I can't take those people seriously
 
3:06 PM
people crave control - it's veiled in this sense of "but it's a community"
 
@CadeRoux I go to meta frequently, but I almost never answer or comment there (hence my 160rep there). It's because I've read other questions, answers, and the general response that they seem to have. There's just too many groups with the same opinion that make any other suggestions dissapear
 
@Lamak yeah it's frustrating, but it's the way of "democracy."
 
@swasheck And I'm ok with that, its just how it is
 
@Lamak perhaps we could get this from data.se ... but it'd be interesting to watch the trends of primary contributors
 
@swasheck What do you mean?. As I've senn it, the "primary contributors" on Meta.SO have the same trend
 
3:12 PM
They built a product which had value and a noble purpose and in opposition to crappy sites about sexchanges; a big part of the value is created by harnessing addicted users (who think everyone else is wrong on the Internet) with a voting game - but that doesn't make it a democracy. And Meta has just turned into a ruling class.
@Lamak I go there when something doesn't make sense about the way the site is working, to find out that this had been debated over and over and the Meta people had apparently decided on it to work a certain way.
 
@Lamak I guess activity on the primary sites vs. the meta ... do they show a trend (are rep and meta activity correlated)? are the primary influencers on meta high-rep users?
 
@Lamak It's like people telling you if you don't like the way a site works, to install a browser extension or greasemonkey - they'll never admit that designing a site takes some amount of directed vision - not voted/committee/democratic vision.
 
@swasheck Most of the primary influencers on meta has at least a decent rep on SO, and many are high-rep users
 
@Lamak sure - but the numbers would be interesting. at what rep level/site age do users become more than casually active in governance?
 
@CadeRoux But I still think that there is some directed vision. Moderators and really high-rep users carry with them the votes of "fan-club" users (I don't know how else to say it)
And there is some sort of "circle-jerk" (again, don't know how else to say it), where all users have the same opinion. Don't get me wrong, a lot of times I also have the same point of view, but still
 
3:19 PM
@Lamak I think a lot flip over to spending more time in meta than asking and answering questions - people get caught up in the social part. Look at this chat room.
 
@CadeRoux Yeah, I guess you are right. And I do like this chat room
 
Can't be arsed with meta, to be honest. I'll answer questions to the best of my ability, be sarcastic, and chill in here. Does me just fine :)
 
@CadeRoux I prefer being in the heap because i learn a lot more and i feel like i can toss things out there and let the experts shoot them down (troy: "CHOOT 'EM!!!") and i know the context of the correction.
@Phil agreed.
 
@swasheck When chat first came out, we never had much SQL activity in the room I created - it's all a question of audience.
 
@CadeRoux i've treated SO like i treated FB ...
 
3:25 PM
@Lamak SO leadership all really seems so anonymous now - like Wikipedia. I expect it's reached a kind of critical mass and is unlikely to evolve as quickly any more.
 
signed up and got an account and never used it
and then something hit and i became an active visitor
(i'm closing FB)
i just dont feel like i am a worthy contributor - so i generally spend time here because i get to learn from folks like you and aaron and lamak and phil and mark and ...
 
@Lamak: Regarding "Why MySQL allows this ..."
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Q: Why does MySQL add a feature that conflicts with SQL standards?

rahularyansharmaI am used to Microsoft technologies including SQL Server. Today I ran across a Q&A where the following passage from the MySQL documentation was quoted: Standard SQL would reject your query because you can not SELECT non-aggregate fields that are not part of the GROUP BY clause in an a...

 
Good answer
thanks
 
which was closed as unconstructive
 
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A: Add social media sharing icons to the "link" popup

ManishEarth wants more wafflesStealing the share bar used in beta sites, I have userscriptified this: Add Share buttons to the "link" box I may add more buttons if I feel bored (I'll need to dig up icons and all, though)

@RolandoMySQLDBA you might want to see this :D
 
3:29 PM
@ypercube And I'm tempted to cast a vote for reopen
It really is not a bad question, and has some good answers and insights
 
and as Quassnoi's answered, it offers slight improvements in performance and readability - when you know what you are doing ... (which is not usually the case with many MySQL programmers)
 
@ypercube Yeah, I think that the part of not many people knowing what they are doing, is the probleamic point
@ypercube And I nominated the question to be reopen
 
Yay, I have beer
 
@AaronBertrand so the issue with the sock thing is that, for instance, we get a notification when someone starts mass deleting their own content (not comments, posts). So we can investigate and understand why.
They just want a similar notification that an account has been created. If lots of things match up, such as similar email names, similar style of comments/questions, then we can see rather quickly that this is likely a play to bypass
 
@Phil warm?
 
3:39 PM
If there are lots of users from a company on the site, odds are pretty good that the users will have all been on about the same time. Rarely does one person make a fool of himself and encourage dozens of others (or even just one more) to sign up while he's being an asshole on the site.
There is room for it to affect "casual account creation during the suspension of another on the same broadcast IP" but it is unlikely and it's not sufficient to warrant not adding this flag.
 
@jcolebrand Nice!
 
The flag is merely a tipoff by an automated tool that something has occurred. The flag is not corrective action. The corrective action is a manual process instigated by a moderator, and we always accumulate evidence before we take action.
One thing that JNK and I have talked about is suspensions on Database Administrators. Until we've left comments, and tried to guide the user, we can't suspend them (the tools don't stop us, we stop us). However, when it's evident that they aren't trying, then we stop them.
So @AaronBertrand all they are asking for on meta is a way to automate finding that someone is likely up to no good, as I get notified already when someone starts mass deleting their posts (rage quit?)
 
@ypercube Should be off by default. I often wish implementations just had #pragma like C which can be used locally instead of settings.
 
@Cade: The mysql setting? Yeah, I guess one can argue pro or against it.
Do you have compilers raise warnings or errors for using uninitialized variables?
It's about the same thing.
 
@ypercube Errors - again I think you have to default to best practices. Just because experts need to do something occasionally, beginners using it accidentally incorrectly all the time is a greater harm - it encourages poor code making it into production codebases which just happens to work. Of course because it affects the entire session, the setting is not as convenient as it could be for the few times you want to except this.
 
3:53 PM
Newer Oracle versions have optional PL/SQL compiler warnings, which can be useful. psoug.org/reference/plsql_warnings.html
 
@jcolebrand I never suggested that I thought any ban would be automatic. I just think it's going to be a lot of work to differentiate between a bunch of legitimate users behind the same IP block and ferret out the asshole. I up-voted the suggestion; my answer was just meant as commentary too long for a comment. Anyway I deleted my answer because it wasn't taken in the right spirit.
 
@AaronBertrand I know, but I wanted to explain in longer than a few comments why it's not a bad idea to flag them, regardless of the possible side-effects of the posts being flagged and everything be ok.
 
rage quitting on SO
 
@CadeRoux: we agree then. The misuses of this are common I think. And they also lead to workarounds that as you say, just happen to work. And one never knows when they'll break.
 
@swasheck huh?
 
4:13 PM
Hey, why was Jim Thio suspended? "Low quality posts"? I didn't know you could be suspended for that.
 
So, I think that for the first time, I'm being spite downvoted. I got two downvotes at almost the same time on really old answers. Granted, they weren't very good answers, but one of them was the accepted answer and the other is clearly better than the upvoted one. Oh, well, maybe aptem got offended yesterday
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A: How to search on pairs of values in this SQL stored procedure

LamakI think that you need to modify the function SplitCSVStrings for this to work. Yo should make it so the table that it returns has one extra column indicating the position in the csv. For example, if the parameter is "C++, Java", the result should be: id val 1 C++ 2 Java If you do that, then ...

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A: I a table Trn_Clear having columns [SplitUpKey] ,[Clr_Key] ,[FeeComponent] ,[Amt]

LamakI think that what you wanna do is to pivot your table; in that case, if you are using SQL Server 2005, you should try something like this: SELECT * FROM (SELECT FeeComponent, Amt FROM Trn_Clear) AS S PIVOT(SUM(Amt) FOR FeeComponent IN ([A],[B],[C])) AS PT In this case, I use SUM as your aggreg...

 
@ypercube Aye, I believe that's correct.
link me?
 
@Lamak Makes no sense - upvoted your answers. That second question needs reformatting and improvement. Both so old there's not much point in fixing them, though.
 
@CadeRoux Thanks. But, as you said, there really isn't much point on fixing those posts. And, looking at them again, they could be closed as too localized. I think that the part that gets to me is that on one of those posts, there is a non-answer as the most upvoted one
 
I learned a new word today: EF generates gnarly SQL
 
4:27 PM
@ypercube I know what it means, but I have no idea how to pronounce it
 
silent 'g'!
 
Like "gnome"?
 
nar-lee
 
hm, good to know.
 
also acceptable, 'rad'
 
4:41 PM
Also good to know that the English language has more rules than exceptions.
 
4:54 PM
@AaronBertrand There's a new rule to cover every exception
I before E except after C and sounding in "A" as in "neighbor" and "weigh" and also "weird" because weird is weird.
@jcolebrand just never conceived on rage quitting on SO ... seems strange
@Lamak Aptem Strikes Back
 
5:09 PM
@jcolebrand Thanks for the heads up. I am waiting in the wings for this one... meta.stackoverflow.com/a/138132/183774
 
@JakeFeasel: Hi
Any chance that you add MariaDB variation at the wonderful site?
 
Hmm, maybe
 
@ypercube Are you able to create fiddles now?. I'm still getting this error: Component [models.Schema_Def] has no acessible Member with name [STRUCTURE_JSON]
 
is MariaDB that different than MySQL?
bah!
really, shit
 
@JakeFeasel just different enough
 
5:19 PM
@Lamak I have been getting that error too
 
gah
sorry about that guys
 
I tried to create a fiddle yesterday and today and I got that error.
 
odd thing is apparently some people are not seeing it
but anyway - I think I just fixed it
 
@JakeFeasel no need to be sorry. I love your site
 
thanks. Still - I hate to let bugs like that slip through
 
5:22 PM
@JakeFeasel It's working for me now
 
I did a big deployment a couple days ago (almost have login functions! and cool personal fiddle tracking!) and I thought everything was cool
 
@JakeFeasel the free tool that makes my life so much easier stopped working. i'm raging.
 
lol
This is another result of my laziness
I have a different env on my dev machine than in prod
usually, they are close enough to not matter
 
@JakeFeasel Hey, we are even getting live support
 
but I have recently discovered the reality of their differences, and have been bitten by them
heh
speaking of live support - once I finally get user accounts working, I want to introduce support for sharejs.org so that you could work directly with others on a given fiddle
so rather than having to send links back and forth, you could work out a solution immediately, together
 
5:28 PM
@JakeFeasel That sounds great
 
@JakeFeasel what is this javascript thing that you reference?
 
heh
for a site all about SQL, I have spent more time in JS than I would have ever imagined
The SQL part is easy - the various DB backends pretty much take care of themselves
 
@JakeFeasel Anyway, its a great tool for us. I wonder how much of sqlfiddle.com activity comes from SO and dba.se users
 
SO is by far my most steady source of traffic
which is great, since that was my goal from the beginning
I've had 10k visits from referrals in June, 3.2k of which are from SO
I have to imagine the 4k visits from direct traffic are likely also largely from SO users
 
@JakeFeasel I'm torn. Congratulations. I like seeing stuff like this succeed and I want you to be rewarded for your work. But I don't want some ridiculous corporation to come in and buy you out and jack it all up.
 
5:35 PM
lol
 
@JakeFeasel great stats. I also know that many times I open a tab and go to your site without coming from SO, even though I use it for examlpes there
 
@JakeFeasel this might sound like a strange question, but any chance you will be adding MS Access - don't shoot me for asking
 
@bluefeet agh!!
lol
I've thought about it
 
@bluefeet No shooting. Just laughing ... like a boss.
 
@JakeFeasel I know but the syntax is so different that sometimes showing it to a user is helpful
 
5:36 PM
there are some technical difficulties I'm not really excited about attempting to overcome
yes, it's true
unfortunately (or.... fortunately?) I'm running Linux on my webserver
so that means it is quite tricky to manipulate Access from that env
 
@JakeFeasel i totally get it, was more a curiosity because there are still so many access users out there
 
I know there are, and I've really given some serious thought about attempting to support them, but... god I really hate Access
there are others DBs on the list I'd like to support first
MariaDB for example. DB2, Ingres, Firebird, etc....
 
Firebird would be interesting
Drizzle - yet another mysql spinoff
 
ugh
MySQL doesn't seem much better than Access at times
I wonder if these forks have made things much better
 
I'll toss my vote in for DB2
 
5:41 PM
The issue is always memory
I'm running everything in 2 2gb VPS's
so... it's a bit tight
 
Indeed. Yeah, I can see that.
Alaska has rednecks?
 
lol
ah twitter
yes indeed - we are alabama north
 
Every place in the world has rednecks
 
you're ruining my pristine perception of alaska.
i thought that rednecks couldnt exist above a certain latitude.
@jcolebrand evidently
redneck: it's a philosophy and not a species, right?
 
If you still have a pristine perception of Alaska you must not have been reading the news in the last few years
but alas - the scenery is beautiful
 
5:46 PM
@JakeFeasel i do read the news, but the crazy in florida tends to create so much noise that nothing else gets through (and i live in colorado)
@JakeFeasel indeed
 
lol
 
Who wants some RIM stock? Get it while it lasts.
 
@JakeFeasel Now that Oracle's in charge, MySQL users are more and more likely to go to forks.
 
Hmm, well it is nice to support these other efforts however I can
presumably the JDBC drivers for MySQL still work with them, correct?
 
I am pretty sure the MySQL client drivers will work for Maria
I think Drizzle is making a more dramatic break
 
5:52 PM
hmm, well I'll take a look
 
 
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Its always so hard for me to explain something clearly in english
@Amrit - You don't seem to understand the problem. If dealId is the primary key, then its easier to explain. If the conditions that you put on your WHERE returns more than one row as a result (let's suppose that it returns 3 rows), then, since you are grouping by the primary key, you will have 3 rows with a count value of 1, instead of 1 row with the count value of 3. And of course, the result that you are getting can't be assigned to a scalar variable. — Lamak 7 mins ago
 
@Lamak i think i understand what you're saying. i tossed in an edit just for good measure
 
well, the fact that you think you understand me shows how bad my english really is
 
no it's fine ... i just wanted to make sure i didnt change the meaning
 
@swasheck I appreciate the edit. But, then again, I was talking about my comment :-)
 
i think that there are a couple of problems: 1) less significantly is that Amrit may also be a non-English speaker, 2) more significantly, Amrit has no idea how to use the GROUP BY clause
 
8:05 PM
@swasheck Yes, it also doesn't help that a wrong comment (the one by Charleh) has an upvote, it will confuse Amrit even more
 
@Lamak that was actually me. i thought i was clicking on yours and then went off to edit. i submitted the edit and noticed that i'd upvoted charleh but my grace period had expired. so i upvoted your comment too :S
@Lamak trying to make up for it with my comment
 
@swasheck lol, sorry then, that has happened to me before
 
@Lamak i was not insulted. i felt like an idiot
 
@swasheck meh, not worthy to feel like an idiot for it
 
 
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9:31 PM
Be one of the first to register on sqlfiddle.com with the new openid signup process! Please give a whirl and let me know if you hit any snags
 
Any Oracle person here?
@JakeFeasel Looks good - I know that signin dialog is standard, but the UX isn't the greatest
 
yeah, I'm certainly not in love with that aspect
Plan on implementing a friendlier looking UI soon - something like SE
 
now you can track my fiddles
 
@JakeFeasel the UI still looks the same to me
 
@JakeFeasel I don't like SE's either - because the other OpenId is kind of obscured in how you are supposed to use it. This one's problem is that you have to click away from the popup to see the remember me, and if you click again on OtherOpenId it blanks out the text box.
 
9:44 PM
@AaronBertrand do you see the "Login" button in the top bar?
@CadeRoux The remember me checkbox is only obscured while the popup is active, and it's only active until you make a selection (right?). So... doesn't seem like a big deal
@CadeRoux with regard to the other open id option - I think it is supposed to blank it out, so that you can type in your own there. How else could / should it work?
 
@JakeFeasel When I click other, the popup stays there until I click away
 
@JakeFeasel no snags here, logged in no problems
 
@CadeRoux ah ha! I see - when you start typing in the box, the popup should disappear
I can fix that
@bluefeet Great!
@bluefeet Do you see your data in the "My Fiddles" popup?
 
@JakeFeasel yes I sure do
 
awesome
well this was my attempt at improving the old "My Fiddles" function I had. I think this implementation is a big improvement
 
9:50 PM
@JakeFeasel I guess so - It did this on a blog I commented on today, so I assumed it was a widget. Tabbing out doesn't work, it tabs into the popup, I think. It's not a big deal - just not as clean as it should be (for something people are supposed to plug in to have a nice predictable login which works well for a lot of sites ;-))
 
Previously it was all tied to a given browser instance, so if you changed browsers you didn't get your old history
 
@JakeFeasel I like it a lot, BTW. I love OpenID, I just wish we could get uptake on these kind of things.
@JakeFeasel Yes, that was a little annoying.
 
@CadeRoux I never really liked the previous implementation much
 
@JakeFeasel And uptake by the general public means it needs to be super simple, clean, totally predictable, obvious, etc.
 
@CadeRoux True, but I honestly doubt too many of the general public use open id servers other than those I have listed
(except I need to add facebook, I suppose)
 
9:56 PM
@JakeFeasel no.
 
@AaronBertrand Hmm, flush browser cache?
 
I am using Chrome on Mac OS. I noticed that you hide elements when the browser gets small, but it isn't showing up at 2560 x 1600 either
Wow that sounds very 90s
 
@JakeFeasel Probably not - I use my own with delegation - the way SE does it, you have to click a link to get an entry box at all.
Chrome on Windows 7 is OK.
 
@AaronBertrand I'm also using Chrome on OS X. Chrome seems to cache things pretty aggressively. I noticed that when my whole site as offline (thankfully briefly) I still had people showing up in Google Analytics as live hitting the site
they just had eveything cached
obviously it wasn't working well for them
 
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Q: Oracle subquery column aliasing syntax?

Cade RouxI have something like: SELECT a, b INTO v_a, v_b FROM ( SELECT x, y FROM whatever UNION SELECT z, w FROM something ) AS subquery (a, b) Which of course doesn't work in Oracle (that syntax - apart from the INTO and the optional AS) would be fine in SQL Server (http://sqlfidd...

@JakeFeasel Chrome on iPad OK as well ;-) Cool to pull up a synced tab from work desktop so quickly like that...
 
10:08 PM
Nice!
I'm not sold on the new Chrome for iOS honestly.
UI seems too odd. I've closed tabs by accident, and things seem awkward
I just wish it would sync your add-ons
 
@JakeFeasel Browsing on tablets is still a toy to me because I don't have keyboards and mice on any of mine. It's really just using the browser as a rich text reader with limited input. I use it for search, reading, but without a real keyboard (with control keys), typing is tedious.
 
@CadeRoux True, but some addons really help with just reading. Adboc and Stylebot are two I use all the time
Bah AdBlock
 
@JakeFeasel I don't find it any better or worse than Safari on the iPad. On the Mac, I switched to Chrome after Safari seemed to be getting buggier/slower. Firefox is a memory hog on every platform. I was pleasantly surprised when I tried Chrome again how much better it was on the Mac than the first time I tried it. Of course it helped that I had upgraded the mac mini to 8GB RAM. On the quad-core PC, it always screamed.
 
Oh yeah I love Chrome on the desktop. Just not sold on the iphone yet.
 
@JakeFeasel Haven't tried it on the iPhone - have to charge it up, because I moved to Android for daily use, the iOS devices are usually battery drained.
 
10:25 PM
@CadeRoux Is your concern here the case where the innermost query column names are either poorly-defined or undefined?
This version has no inner aliases
 
@JakeFeasel In my actual case, there are a number of things unioned and the inner columns are expressions without names at all
 
@CadeRoux ah ha - that's what I was thinking
 
@JakeFeasel So its MIN(asdf), COUNT(1) ... UNION some other stuff...etc
 
You could be super cheap and throw a select 0 as min_col, 0 as count_col from dual where 1=0 UNION.... as the first statement
but if you are going to do that, I suppose you could just add the aliases to the first statement anyway
 
@JakeFeasel That's probably the cleanest thing which would show the intent so if someone comes in they won't clobber the first set - I'd have to make sure I get the data types right - that's something annoying about UNIONs. if the first set gets removed, then it would need to be shifted to the second, etc. I'm concerned about lifecycle of the code
 
10:30 PM
@CadeRoux Yeah that could be problematic
 
@JakeFeasel The way SQL Server does it is just too damn nice, since the table alias is outside, having column aliases outside makes it all quite modularly clean.
@JakeFeasel I hate the way I've been spoiled with SQL Server
 
@CadeRoux That's true - it is a very nice syntax
@CadeRoux Sounds like you've got Oracle-stockholm syndrome
 
@JakeFeasel yeah
 

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