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JNK
3:26 AM
@Rory if its in the wrong spot it'll get moved eventually, so no worries.
 
 
2 hours later…
5:17 AM
@Rory The "line" between DBA.se and SO questions is pretty blurry. Basically, if it's an expert question, or you want feedback from actual database professionals, then put it here. Otherwise, just use your judgement.
 
 
1 hour later…
6:28 AM
Wow, the rain is bucketing down outside
I can't even see clouds for the amount of rain that's falling at the moment
 
 
2 hours later…
gbn
8:43 AM
Good Morning/Evening/Whatever
 
8:53 AM
Morning
 
9:42 AM
Hey @gbn I don't mind MySQL being described as a flat-file store. Remember, there was a time people believed the world flat also...
 
gbn
10:02 AM
@RolandoMySQLDBA when did they decide it isn't? Did I miss something?
 
10:18 AM
@gbn I think there still a bit skeptical in some circles. Not surprised it hasn't made it to Malta.
Although they've got civilised artifacts such as Marks and Spencer now so I imagine it shouldn't take all that long.
 
10:45 AM
Evening gents
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells when you live on a tiny rock like Malta, does it actually matter if the world is flat or round?
 
gbn
It matters more then I'm uphill, and my favourite pubs (and M&S of course) are downhill. Especially going home.
Am I missing something in MySQL?
In other RDBMS, it's simple, right?
 
@SimonRigharts Or New Zealand...
@gbn As long as you're in staggering distance you'll be OK.
Right now in Bournemouth my local is on the way home from work.
Having said that, there probably aren't a lot of commuting routes around southern England for which that doesn't hold true.
 
11:10 AM
There are 6 pubs in my village & only a couple of hundred people live there :D
 
That's ... impressive
 
gbn
That's... northern england. have to have something to do between jeremy kyle and judge judy
 
@SimonRigharts England has more pubs than you can shake a stick at. The liquid lunch is alive and well here.
And remember the jobserve stats for Sybase DBAs. Seems to pay better on average than Oracle or SQL Server.
 
gbn
11:28 AM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells banks are most of the market + scarcer resource
 
@gbn Yes - much the way. Once you're in, single-celled organisms can get really quite high paying jobs.
Apart from having to work with bankers, @SimonRigharts would probably do pretty well here.
 
gbn
No way to describe our PHP banana eating colleagues
The chicks will dig your accent too...
 
Well, technically to qualify as simian or banana-eating one has to be multi-cellular at least, and normally in possession of a central nervous system.
Spinal columns seem to be optional in London, however - and possibly maladaptive.
@gbn This - although you'll constantly get accused of being Australian.
 
gbn
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I can usually spot the difference now
By the arrogance :-)
 
Think Feesh and Cheeps vs. Fush and Chups.
 
gbn
11:34 AM
mexican vs scottish?
 
@gbn I'm just as arrogant as any australian!
@gbn Close enough.
 
gbn
One of the most arrogant Kiwis I met was born in Oz. Which made him Aussie.
But he insisted
 
Born Cantabrian.
Sheep-shagging jokes optional.
 
gbn
and poor fecker died in a plane crash in the Alps about 4 years ago,
 
It's a pity when that sort of thing happens - even to Australians.
 
gbn
 
Reporting to Rachel Montoya?
Sadly just the agent, I imagine.
Where does @Rolando live?
 
gbn
New York
well, works in Manhattan says his profile
 
 
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JNK
12:52 PM
hi all just dropping in
 
Hi
Another day hanging with the SQL Simians :)
 
JNK
something like that
im off today, it's my sons bday
but am doing some work junk from home and thought id stop in
 
OK. Well say happy birthday from Blighty
 
JNK
will do
 
Perhaps we can send him his very own copy of the Oracle Concepts guide and get him off to an early start :)
 
1:17 PM
Haha. Just as long as you don't get him the MySQL for Dummies book ;)
Also it's 2AM and I'm still awake. oops.
 
@SimonRigharts One could argue (obviously not in @Rolando's presence) that the phrase 'MySQL for Dummies' is somewhat tautological.
@SimonRigharts Well, 6 pubs per square mile and £500/day available to a sybase DBA who can actually spell 'SQL' - what are you waiting for?
 
Oh please I'm sure MySQL has its good points. The fact I can't think of any is a slight issue
 
As long as you don't mind hanging out with merchant bankers you should be fine.
 
That is a minor issue because every merchant banker I know is a complete wanker
 
@SimonRigharts You get paid £500/day to put up with that :)
However, they're not flavour of the month these days so they've had to pull their heads in a bit.
 
1:21 PM
True
 
@SimonRigharts The fleshpots of the square mile await
These are the very people for whom the term 'yuppie' was coined - if you remember your '80s popular culture.
 
Haha. Not just yet, but I'll keep it in mind if I get stiffed on a pay increase this year ;)
... wait does google index this chat?
 
Oh bother
 
@SimonRigharts Well, you could do what I did and change your nick.
 
1:26 PM
Also the GBP has tanked since I last checked (although that was in 2008) - used to be about 3:1 compared to the NZD, now it's 2:1
 
Yes. It's not as good as it used to be, but it still pays disproportionately well. I don't think there are many contract markets in the world that pay better than the city - I think it even pays better tnan New York.
@SimonRigharts Change your name - eventually googlebot will forget about your old SO nick. That's what I did when I saw a certain SO posting rising to the top of google search results on my name.
Unfortunately said posting wasn't terribly complimentary about job interview processes, so I thought it wasn't a good idea for it to feature prominently in my search results.
Now I just say any old shit.
 
Haha.
 
Hello chaps
 
I just did a quick check, and chat.stackexchange is on the second or third page when you google me
mornin' Jack
 
1:29 PM
FYI:
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Q: Will chat rooms be indexed by Google?

LiamI would like to see chat rooms indexed by search engines. To make this possible, the 'load older messages' button at the top of chat rooms would need to work without JavaScript, or else the chat room page should show all messages if JavaScript is not enabled.

 
@SimonRigharts - methinks you need a new nick.
 
@SimonRigharts did you say it is 2am in NZ? :-)
 
SQL Simian isn't taken :D
Maybe SybaseSimian
@JackDouglas 13 hours ahead of the UK if they're on daylight saving, 11 hrs ahead if we're on daylight saving here. Occasionallt 12 hrs ahead as our DST and their DST aren't quite in sync.
 
yeah it's 2:30 AM here at the moment
 
Merriman keeps the NoSQL faith, though. He believes the New Aggregation Framework can be even simpler than using SQL as it's implemented in databases such as Oracle. "It's cleaner to build a query," he said. "If you want to build a query for Oracle, for example, you have to do string concatenation to do the SQL statement. We are writing a query generator."
.
Is this man insane or am I?
 
1:32 PM
And the thing with changing my name is that I want my SO/DBA.se answers (which are generally decent, I hope) to be one of the things that people see when they search for me
 
Maybe you need a separate account for chat then.
 
yeah that would be the logical solution
 
@SimonRigharts just don't say anything bad? :-)
 
Yeah but where's the fun in that?
 
gbn
@SimonRigharts SO has assited my getting a job. Complete with moniker, mullet and "monkey" in my profile
 
1:34 PM
@JackDouglas No. He's full of shit. Stonebreaker had a fairly cogent critique of MapReduce. Essentially it doesn't have any concept analogous to indexes, so you have to process your entire data set to filter anything out.
 
I think you are worrying too much - is this an NZ thing, Concerned is a Kiwi too
 
Ask any Teradata weenie of you want a great diatribe about the failings of MapReduce as a database architecture.
@JackDouglas @SimonRigharts has the classic kiwi cultural cringe, worrying that he's good enough to do the work. I wasted several years in NZ for the same reason.
Once he gets here he will realise just how few IQ points are actually necessary to hold down an I.T. job in London.
 
But "you have to do string concatenation to do the SQL statement" - is he talking about Java/PHP/whatever? I don't do much string concatenation in PL/SQL or T-SQL
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells @SimonRigharts is coming to London?
 
He's talking a crock of shit
 
@JackDouglas I think he's comparing querying through an API to querying through a query language.
 
1:37 PM
@SimonRigharts are you moving over here?
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Holding down a job once you've got it is a bear-chase situation (you don't have to be the fastest, you just have to be not-the-slowest)
 
@JackDouglas I don't think he has short term plans to
 
Not planning to
 
@SimonRigharts Not hard to get it.
 
oops got wrong end of stick
 
1:37 PM
You might have to do some crap jobs at first, but once you've got your foot in the door you're set.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells that's because it is incredibly hard to recruit half-decent people
 
@JackDouglas Absolutely - there's a chronic skill shortage in London. Combine that with the amount of cash in the square mile and you get a really strong contract market.
 
"They have to do data consistency and crash recovery in user space."
.
 
I have a remarkably short list of people I've met in London who I'd consider to be genuinely A-list talent.
 
1:40 PM
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gbn
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Bigger market, bigger pool of labour. But a lot of bottom feeders and floating turds in that pool
 
Same old story really, the better people get tapped up and locked away, leaving people still looking to sift through the dregs
 
And haven't we all experienced the joys of working with them, working for them, working around them.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells not really my point - I was referring more to the many thousands of completely inappropriate candidates pushed by agents who know next to nothing about the job they are putting them forward for
 
gbn
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Q: How to get so the rows in a table doesnt get filled with unneeded spaces to fill out everything

JoeI have a table which fills out the rows I have put in there with spaces if the thing i put in there isn't long enough. For example: I have a string called 'ABC' but the column is a nchar(10) so the value which is put in there becomes 'ABC ' Does anyone know what the problem could b...

 
JNK
1:42 PM
wow
 
gbn
gotta wonder
 
JNK
just wow
 
@SimonRigharts My working theory is that the contract rate reflects the market rate for someone who's any good at that skill, and if you're any good and working as perm then you're selling yourself short.
 
It's like "documentation" is a foreign language to some people
 
JNK
anyone active on meta.so? Aaron is taking a beating
 
1:43 PM
@JNK link?
 
JNK
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Q: How do I alert admins about potential vengeful behavior?

Aaron Bertrand Possible Duplicate: Encouraging people to explain down-votes Allow users to leave an anonymous comment when voting I have had four or five down-votes in the past few days on answers that I thought were helpful (and so did others, including the OP, in most cases). Of course none of th...

 
@JackDouglas The agents are punting what they can get. I get agents calling me about all sorts of inappropriate stuff.
 
gbn
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells That holds for markets with big contract market. Say UK and CH.
 
JNK
@SimonRigharts well the -tion makes it sound french
he raises a good point about random driveby DVs on answers
 
gbn
feck all contracting here in Malta. But Perm salary to Average is good ratio, better than CH
 
JNK
1:45 PM
esp when there are no other DVs and it's highly upvoted
 
Is he talking about answers on meta or on SO itself?
 
JNK
SO
 
@gbn It's certainly the case in London - smaller markets like NZ don't really behave like that.
 
I was under the impression that downvotes on meta were more "I disagree" rather than "you're wrong"
 
JNK
basically he had like 5 A's downvoted
in a dayish
 
gbn
1:46 PM
@SimonRigharts or "make my answer look better"
 
JNK
and thought it might be someone messing with him
 
gbn
or "I will revenge you"
 
JNK
so he was asking how to handle it
and was downvoted to oblivion
im posting 500 bounties on 2 Qs as a token of the SQL community's appreciation
 
gbn
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A: User revenge? All my questions were downvoted in the past hour

gbnThe system will pick it up. I had someone blow their daily 30 votes on downvoting every one of my last 30 answers. A day later, I had my 60 rep back and account was suspended. And my stalker got badges too...

 
JNK
he basically said its turning him off from SO
 
gbn
1:47 PM
not much you can do, really
 
JNK
it wont catch this batch tho gbn
too far apart i think
 
gbn
yep.
 
Honestly, if a few sporadic downvotes get inside your head you probably need to take a break anyway
 
JNK
he had been away for a bit i think
then came back and that happened
he did note it doesnt happen on dba
which i thought was nice
 
Honestly it's probably just an artifact of SO being a ridiculously big pond
always going to be someone with issues
 
JNK
1:51 PM
yeah
some random pre-adolescent
 
Occasional 28 going on 8's. Meta had a few serial flame wars that got people's accounts suspended.
 
@JNK wow +1 to Aaron for the dba plug!
 
gbn
Didn't Aaron ask about question migration once?
nooo. Andomar
 
Just going to say I don't think so - he's been here since before me
 
JNK
@Aaronbertrand consider yourself pinged! PING!
 
2:01 PM
@JNK I don't think he's ever been in here though
(so you can't ping him)
 
gbn
@JackDouglas you can though, no?
Via your überping button
 
@gbn yes. I don't want to spam him though?
he likes us at the moment :-)
 
JNK
thought it was worth a shot
 
gbn
I added a comment to his other question
 
JNK
2:18 PM
ok guys have a good day
 
Hello gentlement
Wow typing comes hard at 9 AM
 
gbn
Hello
You want a hug?
 
FWIW I was not talking about down-votes on meta. I realize those are "different" than down-votes on stack.
 
gbn
yep
 
No, no, I'm fine. People don't agree with me, think I'm being childish, whatever. There was one question yesterday with a bunch of answers and mine was the only one down-voted even though a few were less useful and mine was no less correct than any of them. Just seemed like sour grapes of one kind or another. Four other down-votes in about 24 hours, with no explanation and nothing obvious (except the one that was just a link to Erland's article that has been up for years)
 
gbn
2:22 PM
I have occasional erratic downvotes on SO (and here less so)
The downvoter probably loses more rep % than I do though... :-)
 
The reputation points are absolutely meaningless to me. I am concerned though if (a) people are just being jerks to be jerks or (b) there was a legitimate issue with my answer.
(a) I realize I can do nothing about, but I don't know why anonymous down-voting seems to be encouraged, or at least why they have absolutely no interest in motivating people to provide reasons. (b) if there was an issue with my answer, I want to know what it is. I don't fling turd out there and if someone doesn't understand or if I've made some kind of mistake, I want to help resolve the issue wherever it is. Drive-by down-voting doesn't help anyone (including the googlers).
 
2:52 PM
@AaronBertrand downvotes bug me for that reason too. Downvotes on UX bug me the most even though I have like...4. Most of the time someone comments how something could be improved (and I usually get the DV removed after fixing).
 
So what's the topic du jour ladies and gentleapes. I'm avoiding reading the backlog of the transcript
 
I dunno. I just come in here when I want to feel databasey.
 
I just come in here when I want to feel moderatorish
 
I just never leave.
4
 
gbn
There's an outside world?
 
3:00 PM
SELECT * FROM outside_world
There, now it's inside
 
gbn
SELECT * INTO inside FROM outside_world
 
I think you meant SELECT * INTO dbo.inside_world FROM dbo.outside_world
Eek.
 
@AaronBertrand now look, if you're going to go that far ...
 
gbn
he he.
 
Depends what you want to do with the result set I guess
 
3:01 PM
SELECT * INTO MyWorld.Mine.inside_world FROM System.dbo.OutsideWorld
but that does assume a bit of a matching pattern
probably better to just drop it on a temp
 
gbn
Although, I didn't fully qualify my objects. So it isn't efficient
 
SELECT * INTO #inside_world FROM System.dbo.OutsideWorld
 
@gbn that's one of my pet peeves
 
@AaronBertrand Kind of platform specific.
 
Purdy, Windows Azure has a nice site now: windowsazure.com/en-us
 
3:11 PM
@jcolebrand Dunno about that. Hardcoded DB reference.
You should really create a synonym.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells well I'm all SQL Server, so...
 
We do have Oracle folks here, so you might need to do it as CREATE TABLE AS
 
Azure SQL up to 150GB now. Anyone know when it got bumped from 50?
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells seeing as how there's only one tablereference, I think we can do without the alias/synonym, no?
Or do you expect that table to be re-schema'd sometime soon?
 
@jcolebrand Limits you to one environment per database instance :)
 
3:15 PM
@MarkStoreySmith wow, SO could (currently) fit on that
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells once again, I'm not expecting it to change drastically ;-)
 
Really, SO is under 150GB? huh
 
However will you promote yourself to system test then?
Sorry, one too many gigs where the locals manage to turn environments into a total melodrama.
One too many conversations where I had to resist the temptation to say:
"Sonny, when I was doing your job I had 14 environments on the go and scripted the rollout so it all ran of a config file."
Hence the reference to synonyms.
 
@DTest SQL database is ~120 iirc from a post last week
 
the post was from Nick I believe
it was on his own blog
he's going to update the SF blog in the future, I think, when they do an update
nickcraver.com/blog/2012/02/07/stack-overflow-short-on-space <-- the link for those who care to read it
 
3:23 PM
@jcolebrand thanks
 
The pertinent points:
114 GB – StackOverflow.mdf
41 GB – StackOverflow.ldf
 
@DTest I was surprised too
No wonder they like SSDs, the site is tiny
 
haha
 
and as I understand it, the devs keep a mostly current copy of the site (a portion anyways) on their own boxes locally for testing.
 
That's similar to what I'm currently setting up at my shop, actually.
 
3:33 PM
@jcolebrand I've gotten data warehouse dev environments onto a personal workstation. Set them up right and they're a lot quicker than you might think.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I don't doubt that. We're in the process of making that happen for our devs. We have two new hires making it so. Because I need to be able to deploy to a new site with minimum fuss, and if I can deploy with minimum fuss, we can upgrade with minimum fuss. And if we can automate deployment to a site, then I can automate deployment to my desktop.
All I really want is a easy to use local repo of the database that I sync to Hg
the data can be flushed as often as need be
 
@jcolebrand That's one of the key benefits - no dev server, so devs don't trip over each other, and the whole system has to have a clean deployment and version control process.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells yeah, hence we're in the process of doing so ;-)
 
Plus, you don't have to buy DB licensing for the dev server, so dev edition databases or OTN downloads can be used on develpers' personal workstations.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I've found a single dev DB is a huge pain on occasion
 
3:36 PM
Even if you buy high-end kit like HP Z800s, a few 15K disks makes a dev workstation pretty zippy on database work.
In case you hadn't heard some of my previous rants about SANs, my old HP XW9300s will outperform some production server platforms I've deployed to on ETL jobs.
 
interesting...this convo might cause me to rethink my local dev strategy :/
 
In fact, they're faster on ETL jobs than anything SAN based I've ever deployed on.
 
might make a good dba question actually
 
@DTest You can buy used HP XW9400s or XW8600s off ebay for peanuts. DDR2 registered memory costs peanuts off ebay - 32GB for a few hundred dollars.
Put a few 300-600GB 15k SAS disks in them and they go like a cat kicked in the bollocks.
You can even get RAID controllers off ebay quite cheaply.
 
gbn
Each dev has their own DB. Can be local or can be network
 
3:40 PM
A new Z800 from HP will be dearer, several thousand dollars, but probably still cheaper than buying a dev server.
 
gbn
I prefer network to avoid some shit that requires sa or such.
 
@gbn I had 7 environments on a single PC at point.
Beats walking on eggshells in a single database any day.
 
well my thought was to have a cheap server that i label as 'dev', and have local boxes running as replication slaves . our dataset is small, maybe 5GB useable data. Then have changesets apply to the dev machine using liquibase or something, which would trickle down to the local slaves.
 
gbn
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells That's discipline. I'm more concerned of bollocks like some sp_OA based SMTP email proc being deployed
 
@DTest Nothing central. You will have to make up patches to deploy changes on the live system.
Treat the database schema as a code base like anything else and release changes properly.
 
3:44 PM
@DTest objective please
 
Also, you will want the ability to build a database at a specific version, so you need to keep versioned DDL scripts.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells hence using liquibase...at least as far as I understand it atm
 
@gbn well, for myself, I need to have those work >.>
 
@jcolebrand our developers don't modify database stuff directly. I just want them to have a copy of some data for local developing of sites.
 
gbn
@jcolebrand you on SQL Server 7?
 
3:47 PM
@gbn no, I just meant mail being sent. We're using something integrated into MS SQL if that's what you mean, for sending mail.
 
@DTest Make backups available that they can restore. Unannounced change rollouts onto dev environments will be quite disruptive.
 
gbn
@jcolebrand probyl database mail then if SQL Server 2005+. sp_OA% use was a hack to enable SMTP email in SQL Server 2000. Otherwise, you needed Outlook on your servers to have MAPI
 
@gbn but I do have sp_OA for calling out to webservices (which I would love a better way to do that wasn't CLR based)
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I was trying to come up with a scenario a couple of days ago where the central server => slave local machines would be disruptive but failed. Probably a lack of experience.
 
gbn
oh dear.
SSIS web service task?
 
3:54 PM
no, not SSIS
hold please while I find a link and some sample
oh good lord
time to join a random webex, I'll be back
 
gbn
@DTest: are you able to apply some TLC here? dba.stackexchange.com/questions/12544/…
 
@gbn are you asking for an edit....cause that question is pretty vague until we get an update from the OP on error_log contents
 
gbn
@DTest nah, some insight or answer
 
4:36 PM
@DTest If you roll out a change to the database schema while someone's in the middle of developing against it without warning then you can break their code unexpectedly. The database schema has dependent items. Also, if you have multiple workstreams you may have people working on code bases that go with different versions of the database that haven't been released yet.
A reference schema for testing or continuous integration is useful, but forcing arbitrary changes into a development environment without warning will create a mess.
Plus, you want the ability to have different development databases at different versions.
I think the place to have a centralised schema is on a continuous integration or test machine.
The way I do this is to always build test environments from your repository model in whatever form you keep it. This could be a set of table creation scripts or it could be done through a modelling tool like Powerdesigner.
Then you have a mechanism where a database of that controlled, versioned schema can be deployed to an environment, so you can work against a known version of the database.
This could be a set of DDL scripts, a restorable backup or whatever.
If the devs have a database server on their workstation they can take responsibility for local deployments - this also has the benefit of forcing them to learn some basic database administration skills.
If you build test environments from your controlled repository model or central schema and give the devs the ability to run up a test environment easily then they have the wherewithall to test against what people are expecting to release. Building test environments from the repositiry model means that testing is always done against a known database schema that's tied to what you're actually intending to release.
 
@gbn per my earlier convo: vishalseth.com/post/2009/12/22/…
 
You can make patch scripts manually or through an automated tool like Redgate or that one you mentioned before (name escapes me).
 
gbn
<- needs to lie down
anyway, folks, it is a holiday here tomorrow. A.k.a sleep off hangover
Cheers
 
4:50 PM
cheers
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells liquibase but yeah, i'm currently drafting a question. but it's starting to look more appropriate for ServerFault.
 
5:03 PM
well, here it is on DBA...if it's too serverfaulty, feel free to migrate :)
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Q: How to setup local database development process for small web team?

DTestBackground I am working on creating a new development process for a small web team of about 4 programmers and 4 designers, with the obvious potential to grow the team in the future. Our product is a central application that powers client websites that we also design and host. Previously, we all...

 
@AaronBertrand If happen to be within shouting distance of Peter Shire, please apologise for my rudeness not replying to his email. FUE on my part when I moved my mail to Office365 and I've only just found it!
 
5:48 PM
@concerned thanks a lot for such a detailed answer. reading through it now.
 
@DTest Enjoy + now with a bit of editorial work.
It's not specific on tools, but you can plugin your choice of tooling into the basic approach. I've used simple table creation scripts more often than not.
If you have a decent data modelling tool you can generate DDL from the repository model and store that in your source control system. I've done this with sourcesafe (gak), subversion, TFS and an obscure MKS tool based on rcs. About to try it with CA SCM, so we'll see how well it works on that.
 
@Mark will let him know, thanks
 
6:05 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells alright, through it. It's a great overview of the process without specific tools used.
You've pretty much convinced me to drop the replication slaves for a environment deployment script. Also, never had any intention of automatically running patch scripts to production. That kind of thing needs a presence in case something goes wrong, imo.
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells I've got the sample data I mentioned. Struggling to see how it could be "visualised" as such. I'll prod it over next couple of days before I throw it your way to see if you think you could do anything with it
 
JNK
6:35 PM
cool @AaronBertrand is here
 
please i need some eyes on it askubuntu.com/questions/102875/…
its about mysql
 
@JNK you left right as I was arriving much earlier this morning
 
my mysql starts and stops automatically and instantly
 
JNK
yeah i saw that
im off work today for my sons bday and just got back home
I was just reading the old chat :)
 
@AaronBertrand Scott Fallen still with you guys as well?
 
JNK
6:40 PM
oh yeah let me know if you guys need a non-dba query tuner down in RI, aaron ;)
 
@MarkStoreySmith I'm back in Sunningdale this weekend but away to Bournemouth on Sundsy. Do you want to pop out for a chat sometime on Sat>
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Could always make it an excuse for a beer one evening next week if that suits?
to be honest, I'm not sure much can be done with this particular data blob but you never know!
 
@MarkStoreySmith I don't have a car here in Bournemouth and it's a couple of hours into London by train. Weekends is probably the best time unless you fancy a trip down here.
If you can get out to Sunningdale on Sat with the data we can run it up there and take a look at it.
 
JNK
i love british/aussie/kiwi place names
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Weekend afterr next is probably better as I'm there on Sunday as well.
@JNK I used to live just down the road from a village named 'Pratt's Bottom'
 
6:46 PM
@Mark yes Scott is still with us. We are traveling to Ireland together in March (SQL Sat).
 
JNK
i saw you had been making a lot of convention appearances the past few months, @AaronBertrand
 
@JNK I do all the big shows every year. I was always afraid to speak at the big ones. Last year I o.d.'d on SQL Sats. And it was the first time I spoke at PASS. Will be my first time speaking at Connections in Vegas too.
 
JNK
I'm hoping I'll make some of the shows in a year or two
 
@JNK if you have to pick one, PASS Summit, hands down. Connections is good if you have non-SQL interests too though - ASP, SharePoint, etc.
 
JNK
PASS is normally on west coast right? or does it move every yr?
 
6:50 PM
2012 = Seattle, 2013 = Charlotte NC
 
JNK
ooo charlotte i could do i bet
im from NC originally
ok guys be back tomorrow
 
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells Cheers fella, I'll get back to you tomorrow when I know what the weekend looks like. There is literally feck all data, 25MB sat in a spreadsheet currently. Its really the "how on earth can we make this look snazzy" kind of PIA that I'm looking at.
@AaronBertrand We met at the sqlskills event in london last year. Give him my regards.
 
@Mark will do.
 
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