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3:17 AM
@SAJ14SAJ it was a nice stir fry :) thanks
 
@rfusca Glad you enjoyed it. My pasta turned out fine but not stellar.
It will almost certainly be much better tomorrow.
But my pasta question stirred things up :-)
 
hmm haven't seen it yet
 
@rfusca You don't obsessively read every question within seconds of its being posted? What kind of user are you :-) :-)
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Q: How much water does pasta absorb when it is cooked?

SAJ14SAJHow much water will dry semolina pasta absorb when it is properly cooked? For example, how much water would one pound of farfalle or spaghetti absorb? I am guessing the shape of the pasta doesn't matter, just the absolute weight. I am not looking for how much water is required to boil it, nor ...

 
@SAJ14SAJ see thats the kind of user I was....and hence the break ;)
 
@rfusca Due to the nature of my work, and the fact that I am an insomniac, and obsessive, I kind of do that... but hot when playing really good games, out with my friends, in meetings, or deep in a programming trance (which I don't get to do much an more since I am management of some sort...)
So there are limits to all things.
 
3:21 AM
indeed
 
 
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6:04 AM
@SAJ14SAJ I just finished Torment. Oh my dear God. Ok, it took three plays of the final chapter to save all of my companions. Great, saved them all and the game is over. Could I have saved my Lim-Lim? Crap. Baldur's Gate next.
 
6:39 AM
@Jolenealaska I hope you enjoyed it. Baldur's gate is more tactical. Planescape is fairly unique in its story telling.
 
 
2 hours later…
8:18 AM
Hi
@rfusca Yes, but I was not successful :P
 
 
1 hour later…
9:47 AM
@SAJ14SAJ will you let me know how the pasta sauce with added water goes? :)
I'm curious
Would the starch from the pasta affect your sauce?
 
10:24 AM
@Mien Be aware that the issue of "cooking" pasta in other than boiling water is not without controversy. When I was first experimenting with fresh, homemade pasta I wanted to try baking lasagna without pre-boiling the noodles. I wasn't pleased with the result and found several sources online that said that my perception was not incorrect. My requirements may be "fussy" but they aren't "wrong" despite others that may disagree.
 
10:45 AM
@Jolenealaska I can imagine issues, that is why I asked Saj :)
I think lasagna with fresh pasta makes the pasta overcooked, no?
Or what was wrong with it?
 
10:58 AM
@Mien No, it wasn't overcooked. It just didn't nicely meld like I wanted. There are a gazillion recipes online that make adequate Tuesday night lasagna that way. And for feeding a hungry family on Tuesday night, there wasn't anything wrong with it. This is where SAJ and I disagree. If I'm going to make lasagna, chances are that I'm going to get fussy and try to make the best lasagna I can. Baking raw noodles didn't accomplish that for me.
It was like using jarred Ragu instead of making my own sauce.
 
Okay.
Food time :)
 
@derobert Wings? No poultry hamms wingmms. Smack. whistles innocently
@SAJ14SAJ I did enjoy Torment very much, particularly after I picked up (adopted?) Nordom. He was great and quickly became my "right hand man". When he "died" at the end game, I was beside myself. :( I was so happy to make him whole again.
 
11:49 AM
Back :)
 
12:29 PM
@Mien Forth....
 
and
 
@Mien The pasta was fine. It takes longer to cook at a simmer (to avoid burning), but the sauce thickens nicely. It should be much more delicious at lunch today.
 
Okay, enjoy! :)
I am planning on making pasta on Friday.
 
@Mien You know what you will make so far in advance! That always boggles my mind. I can only plan ahead for parties...
 
I have to :)
I can't go to the supermarket in the week.
Unless for something small.
 
12:57 PM
@Mien You have a weekday large purchase supermarket phobia?
 
we plan a full week (or more) worth of meals out usually, its awesome :)
 
@SAJ14SAJ Nope :P My bf has the car, so I can't carry a lot. And when we both are home, it's too late to go to the supermarket.
They are not open 24/7 here :P
@rfusca Yes, I like it too.
I usually plan two 'lazy' days, like monday and friday where we eat something that does not require a lot of work :P
 
@Mien Grilled cheese sandwiches!
 
@SAJ14SAJ Croque monsieurs are indeed a good example.
Or eggs with onion and bacon and turkish bread
stuff like that :)
 
CM are fancy-%#%#% grilled cheese. The basic grilled cheese is simpler.
 
1:01 PM
what? :D
what is fancy about it, the ham? :D
grilled cheese sandwiches are something not known here actually
 
Well, we tend to call it a "ham and cheese" when there is ham involved, but more the bechemel.
 
bechamel?
 
Isn't CM made with a bechemel broiled on?
 
no
not where I live anyway
just bread-ham-cheese-ham-bread
and put that in something that gives heat :P
 
1:03 PM
usually a CM machine
never seen that :)
you can't put it in a CM machine...
 
That would be a grilled ham and cheese... you need a special machine for it? I make mine in a skillet. Okay, I do have a panini press that works great and also has flat plates, but I am usually too lazy to deal with cleaning it after.
 
something a lot of belgians have :)
we have it too, but the plates are interchangeable, we can make also waffles with it, or paninis, or we also have totally flat plates for fake tepanyaki :)
 
And you call it a CM machine? We would call that a grilled cheese press. But I wouldn't buy it... do you have another one for waffles, and another one for steak?
My panini press/clamshell griddle can do all of those things.
@Mien Changable plates makes more sense.
 
good :-)
we belgians are not crazy
 
@Mien That has not been established. You cannot even agree on a national language :-)
 
1:07 PM
we have three!
and English is not one of them :P
we might be crazy after all
 
@Mien ;-)
 
anyway, I will work some more :) ttyl
 
On the other hand, you reportedly have the highest chocolate consumption per capita in the world!
 
do we?
I know the germans drink more beer in liter than us, but they drink beer with less alcohol so yeah
 
1:22 PM
@Mien really? How much alcohol does Belgian beer have?
4.5 to 5% is standard here.
There are stronger beers too, but they are a bit exotic.
 
standard pils is 5.4%, but the stronger ones have gained a lot the recent years
that is between 6 and 11% I guess, with a mean around 8% ?
 
1:50 PM
@Mien we do the same. we have 1 or 2 simple days, 1 really involved day, and the rest are just...'medium' days
 
Usually medium in the week, and on the weekend something involved, or just something that takes longer, like chili :)
it's not really more involved but not good for week days
 
@Mien yup
 
great minds think alike ;)
 
ug found out its going to be $900 to fix my car
 
Oh, no!
That's quite a lot.
Why are cars always so expensive to fix?
 
2:01 PM
What car is it? What happened to it?
good question @Cerberus
 
Yeah!
 
I will be in Breda soon btw :P
but only for 5-6 days
 
Ah, yes! You told me about this course or congress, right?
Is Breda closer to Gent or to Amsterdam?
 
no, I was planning on going to Utrecht in August. I've told you that.
The Breda thing is new :)
 
Ohh that was it!
confused Cerberus
 
2:05 PM
Breda is not that far :P
 
I've been to Breda once.
What will you do there?
 
I think it's a bit closer to Ghent then to Amsterdam, but I'm not sure.
Helping a colleague with her experiment :)
 
Ah cool.
 
Should be fun, yes :)
 
Brussels and Breda are Brabant. Gent is Flanders, right? And Amsterdam is Holland, formerly Utrecht.
 
2:07 PM
Mien the mad scientist... muahahahahhahahhahha
 
Mad in a nice way!
 
:D
like 'madly in love'? :P
 
And you've spelled her name correctly! Bravo!
 
lol
Bravissimo!
 
Si!
 
2:09 PM
@Mien thermostat busted and the main computer has a fault
 
@rfusca blech, I can't tell you how many computers I put in my Saturn :(
 
main computer flawed? sounds like it was a flaw, for in guarantee
sentences I cannot make today
 
@Mien i have no idea what that sentence means
 
@rfusca I think she's trying to say it should be fixed under warranty
 
yes! thanks @waxeagle
 
2:12 PM
unfortunately warranties only last so many years or miles...
 
@waxeagle ya, the biggest issue there is that its 400 for a used computer or 1800 for a new one. So, obviously the used one...but you can't change the VIN number on the used one. So it will be a giant headache for me when the VIN number on my emissions test (that the state wants) that the computer spits out doesn't match the VIN number on the physical body
 
Ugh!
Are you sure the computer is VIN, not HAL?
 
@rfusca can the mechanic write something up for you?
also heh emissions tests :P
 
@waxeagle ya, i'll have paperwork and all that - so its legal. But it will still be a big hassle .
 
The government and bureaucratic hassles? Unpossible!
 
2:15 PM
Unpossible? :D was that an accident or a joke?
I never know with you :(
something's wrong with my Enlgish today :s
 
@rfusca yeah. Soooo glad I don't live in the city. My car would never pass an emissions test
 
@waxeagle lol
 
@Cerberus Once when I went to the emissions thingy in MD, i am 99% sure the tech tried to solicit a bribe from me.... I was quite late so the fee was higher. I cannot remember exactly what he said except he needed a fee "for the drawer" but I would still be paying less total. I was freaked out and said no. I probably should have reported him. This was a lot of years ago.
 
@Mien Joke.
 
@waxeagle You don't have state wide requirements? AFter all, emissions go in the air no matter where you are.
 
2:17 PM
@SAJ14SAJ For the drawer? What is that supposed to mean?
 
@SAJ14SAJ no, Georgia only requires emissions tests for metro ATL
 
@Cerberus I think it meant to put in the cash drawer to cover his tracks.
 
I don't think we have special emissions tests. Do you @Mien ? Of course I don't have a car.
 
@waxeagle That is so wrong. You should lobby your state government to make you suffer too.
 
@SAJ14SAJ its just counties in the metro area
 
2:18 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Haha, and that is a kind of term people would use for that?
 
@SAJ14SAJ no thanks
I kind of like being able to drive crappy cars
(not that I want to continue doing so, but having the option is nice)
 
@Cerberus I don't think so too. We do have regulations about them, like cars with higher emission have an extra fee or something, but it is all on paper beforehand. There is no testing afaik.
 
:14097319   I have never heard it before or since.
 
There were plans here to not allow any care built before 2000 into the city at all any more.
@Mien Right, I think it mainly affects the purchase price.
Accijns?
 
@Cerberus that's not a bad idea...though I'd have been disqualified completely before the end of last year...my cars have been a 99, 97, 95 and currently an 88...
(now one of our cars is a 2014 :))
 
2:19 PM
Yay!
But actually, measuring emissions is probably more accurate.
I presume this is mainly about the carcinogenic substances in exhaust fumes, not CO2?
Or both?
 
@Cerberus mostly about the former I think
 
@waxeagle That is REALLY old.
 
@SAJ14SAJ yeah, I'm rocking an 88 Cutlass Ciera until I can scrape together some cash for something better
my car is barely younger than I am
 
@waxeagle Shall I send you 50 cents, then? :-)
 
@SAJ14SAJ lol
 
2:22 PM
@Cerberus Yes, something like that.
Also, I know company cars should not have an emission higher than X
if their VAT is Y
 
Ah, a different VAT class?
 
not VAT, VAA (voordeel alle aard)
I think :D
 
Ohh.
 
I don't own a car either :D
 
What's that?
 
2:23 PM
You needed to take classes to understand your VAT?
 
By the way, what do you call VAT in Belgium?
@SAJ14SAJ Yes, but that's all it takes. I was told your VAT is a lot more complicated. The VAT (BTW, it is called here) depends on the product. Most products here are 21 %, but things like books get 6 %.
 
@Cerberus We don't call it VAT, we call it sales tax. It is sttate by state, which is the complication. But within states, they are generally very simple, mostly a flat rate with certain goods (like food, or clothing, that vary by state) exempted. The problem is the variation among states makes nationwide businesses harder to run.
 
Food is 6% too.
 
Why do I so often type "think" instead of "thing"? I would absolutely never pronounce it like that. The -ing part is pronounced the same in Dutch anyway (not that it matters).
 
VAT is BTW :P
but on some products, there are fees too, like cars.
@Cerberus I have the same :D
 
2:26 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Right. Why is it not called VAT? Who calls it VAT, then? The English?
 
sales tax here isn't really equivalent to VAT. VAT (for the most part) is more of a replacement of income tax
 
@SAJ14SAJ some states have separate tax rates (hi TN!) for the two classes of goods.
 
I ain't got no idea.
 
@Mien Yeah we call those accijnzen.
 
@waxeagle Fortunately, no one lives in TN, so they don't have to figure that out.
 
2:27 PM
@rfusca How do you mean? Our VAT is levied the same way your sales tax is, and both it and our income tax are a lot higher than yours.
 
@SAJ14SAJ hey now, one TN city has the fastest internet in the country!
 
@Cerberus yes
 
(it happens to be the city I work in)
 
@Cerberus yes, and the french too I think
 
@waxeagle I am sure you can find one good school in Mississippi too!
 
2:28 PM
@Mien Right.
@Mien Naah not in French?
 
@Cerberus oh, i'm wrong then - it was my understanding that most european countries didn't have income tax in favor of a higher VAT tax
 
@Cerberus VTA?
@rfusca almost half our income goes to taxes :P
we have one of the highest in the world, I believe
 
@rfusca Ah, nope! I believe all of them have a higher income tax rate than your country. Perhaps some have lower VAT rates.
 
@Cerberus interesting
 
@Mien OK OK ça c'est bien possible!
 
2:29 PM
Chouette!
 
@Mien I thought France did?
 
@Mien Small cabbage?
 
The top tier is 62 % here, I think.
 
@SAJ14SAJ Nice try :D
@Cerberus Not sure.
 
@Mien Haha we learned that word in school too. I was told later that it is extremely old fashioned.
 
2:30 PM
I really have to work and you keep pinging me :P
@Cerberus Ben non!
 
@Mien Ping! Go to work!
@Mien Mais si!
Ah, so it is called VAT in England.
 
@Cerberus Probably because it is so cabbage-y.
 
It is!
Is it related to chou?
Probably?
 
Is a cabbage cute?
 
@Mien I have no strong opinion on that.
 
2:42 PM
@Mien I think so.
Though not for me personally.
Children grow like cabbage, after all.
 
 
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6:02 PM
@Jolenealaska ?????
 
?????
 
?
Hello.
 
7 hours ago, by Jolenealaska
@derobert Wings? No poultry hamms wingmms. Smack. whistles innocently
 
?????
 
I don't even understand what that means.
Hence the ?????
 
6:17 PM
no further clarity from the quotation
 
Exactly. I was just pinged in the middle of who-knows-what
They were talking about lasagna...
@Jolenealaska gvim:24313): GLib-GObject-CRITICAL **: g_object_unref: assertion 'G_IS_OBJECT (object)' failed Take that! I respond to your nonsense with further nonsense.
 
@derobert I am almost sure it is reference to you insinuating that chickens don't have wings as far as your diners are concerned. And her eating the evidence.
 
6:32 PM
@SAJ14SAJ Ah! That could be. I'd yell about kids these days and how they're always talking in codes and text-speaks, but I fear you're older than me...
 
@derobert I may be the oldest of the regulars. That and $4 will get me a cup of coffee. But I am out of filters.... sigh
 
@SAJ14SAJ who uses filters? :P
 
You shouldn't need to filter it yourself if you're paying $4 for the cup of coffee...
 
I am lazy, I bought a pretty good automatic drip that uses melita number 4 filters. Iused to be a french press snob, but I am now lazy.
 
Besides, you could get a reasonable beverage like tea instead.
 
6:41 PM
That was a joke. I never pay for a $4 coffee drink! Even in starbucks, if forced, I buy regular plain old normal coffee.
@derobert There is no possible universe where tea is a reasonable beverage.
 
@SAJ14SAJ lol, I oscillate between the garbage office coffee and a french press...makes me appreciate the french press even more
 
I probably have filters somewhere, both paper, and the backup "gold" filter, but who knows where they are after the move. I have been drinking hot chocolate at breakfast....
 
 
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7:58 PM
@Jefromi Hey, Google Boy, how do you feel about Ara?
I'm really enthusiastic.
@derobert You too, fellow Fandroid.
 
8:24 PM
?????
 
@Jefromi Project Ara, Google's modular smartphone!
You don't know?
Oh God, he doesn't know.
 
?????
 
@Jefromi your input device seems to be stuck at the question mark.
 
!!!!!
I dunno, it seems cool if it's actually possible, but also kinda impractical, making things modular can introduce a lot of weight and size overhead.
But hey, if they can pull it off, awesome.
 
Wasn't there another modular smartphone project a few months ago? A Dutch one, if I remember correctly?
It was supposed to be eco-friendlier. My favorite IT magazine was very skeptical, pointing out a lot of reasons why there is unlikely to be any real win for the environment.
 
8:34 PM
The problem with all of this is someone would add a module, and then you would have a modular smart-ass phone...
 
@rumtscho IIRC one of the big mfrs was buying it.
 
@Jefromi You found that way to fast. "Smart-alec phone" just didn't have the same ring.
 
@SAJ14SAJ they don't need to develop a smart-ass's phone. There is one sitting on my desk right now. And a bigger smart-ass's in my ex's pocket.
 
@Jefromi There will no doubt be some added costs, volume, and weight; but Google seems to think it will be manageable.
 
8:36 PM
@rumtscho ;-)
 
@SAJ14SAJ [xkcd as...] completes to [xkcd ass-car], first result.
 
@rumtscho Yes, Phonebloks. They have sort of merged with Ara, in fact.
 
Modular modular phone projects?????
 
No, silly, it's just a meta-modular project.
Phonebloks will do all vowels in the code, Google the consonants.
They hired some consultancy firm for some of the special characters.
 
@Cerberus but if they have to google all the consonants that will take for.ev.er
 
8:38 PM
Modular unicode support!
 
@waxeagle Nobody said it would be within a reasonable time. Or cost.
 
I volunteer to do supplemental punctuation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supplemental_Punctuation
 
Copy-paste by hand?
Those boxes are probably wrong?
 
Who knows, it's unicode
 
Someone ought to know.
 
8:45 PM
Wait, this is confusing. I thought "haha, Jefromi made a joke". Went to the Wikipedia page to check exactly what is supplemental punctuation. At "ancient Greek punctuation, and German dictionary marks" I told myself "you silly scatterbrained thing, Cerberus made that joke". Returned here to see that it was Jefromi after all...
 
I like the coronis!
Also the inverted interrobang.
 
> From the Russian writing system, it was eliminated by Peter the Great during his alphabet and font-style reform (1707). All other Cyrillic-based modern writing systems are based on the Petrine script, so they have never had the smooth breathing
This is not what I learned in school
 
I have the smooth breathing.
 
@rumtscho And I praised Google. Today is switching day.
@Jefromi By smooth, she doesn't mean reeking of a homogeneous mass of rotting matter.
 
@Cerberus wtf
 
8:52 PM
shrugs
Just trying to be helpful.
 
@Jefromi this is probably normal in Tartarus, he forgot that you don't live there
 
Also I was talking about Coronis (textual symbol) not Coronis (diacritical mark):
A coronis or koronis (Ancient Greek: , plural , korōnides) is a textual symbol found in ancient Greek papyri that was used to mark the ends of entire works or major sections in poetic and prose texts. Coronides were placed most often in the left-hand margin of the text and were generally accompanied by a paragraphos or forked paragraphos. Etymology Liddell and Scott's Greek–English Lexicon gives the basic meaning of korōnis as "crook-beaked" from which a general meaning of "curved" is supposed to have derived. Pierre Chantraine concurs and derives the word from (korōnē), "crow", ass...
 
@Jefromi tough luck - Coronis (diacritical mark) was the one higher up on Wikipedia's list, so this is the one I read about. I thought you people at Google knew that nobody cares for the second result :)
 
Sorry! I didn't know there was another thing, I just got to it from the unicode page :(
 
8:56 PM
Yeah, we liked that one.
 
and surely there is never anything of value on page 3
 
my favorite xkcd is probably the google maps one
 
That's one of the main reasons the "results for similar searches" feature exists. Sometimes the desolate wastes start on page 1.
 
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