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7:17 AM
@rumtscho Yes, I know. I was joking, silly 'shroom.
oh, I thought derobert said that.
Ah well
 
 
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12:42 PM
good gravy it's quiet in here these days
 
1:01 PM
Ah, yes, sorry.
I had a prolonged weekend.
But don't worry, I'm back now.
I didn't even had time to play with you!
 
 
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4:10 PM
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Q: Looking for a new spice combination for my soup

cluelessI've been making a soup that has an onion + garlic + carrot + celery + flour base, and then chunks of sweet potato and potato as well as barley added. I've been spicing it with salt, pepper, garlic powder, and basil. I'm wondering if there's a new spice combination I could try - maybe something w...

I think that we should kill this one as too broad
How do you see it?
 
@rumtscho I would rather see it slightly reworded.
Flavor combinations are fine.
"Will paprika ruin it?" is fine.
The only thing that isn't ok is the vagueness with "is there anything new I can try"
 
@Sobachatina if it is constrained to paprika, OK - it is a yes-or-no question then. But I think that he wants a list of ideas, which would be a poll.
 
4:25 PM
@rumtscho How do you properly ask a flavor combination question?
I am making some specific recipe. What seasonings will work with it?
Perhaps we can suggest that he edit his question to indicate what improvements he would like specifically.
 
I edited it.
I don't even know if we want questions which suggest a list of flavor combinations.
 
@rumtscho Perhaps not. I feel like that is more useful to me personally than a million questions about food safety.
Unfortunately "Useful" isn't a good metric for keeping questions here.
 
@sobachatina "useful" is a metric, provided that the site can actually give you the information you are after.
If the answer is an endless set, then we can't list the set here.
 
I've ranted about this before. I want an asynchronous communication mechanism for posing subjective questions to the community.
 
And if some elements of the set work better than others, only people who have tried most of the elements in the set can tell you which work better.
But people who haven't tried them all are so eager to post their favorite, that the information you get is not only wrong, you as the asker have no way of recognizing that it is wrong.
So, while the correct answer to such a question would be useful, why do you think that the answers you'd get here would be useful?
 
4:36 PM
@rumtscho Because I know the people who are answering.
It all comes back to community.
SE is founded on a concept of anonymity and crowd selection of correct answers.
This is the opposite of community.
I value answers from you or @rfusca more because I know you- the vote on your answer is irrelevant.
I am not proposing any change for the site here- just pointing out how objective, anonymous, answers are not always the best ones.
 
Hmm, if you know exactly whose opinion you want, then pinging in chat works as an asynchronous mechanism.
 
No it doesn't at all. You can't follow threads.
Actually- if they had tags or topics or threads for chat I think that would be enough to solve my problem.
Some way to actually follow a topic over time without having to scan 100 pages of log.
 
In theory, you are also free to start a whole new chat room titled "What are the best spices for a potato soup?". In practice, I don't know if people would want to talk in it.
 
@rumtscho They would have to be disposable chat rooms. We'd discuss that topic for a few minutes today and then maybe once in 6 months.
 
@Sobachatina But I don't feel like selecting a tag (or multiple) for each line I type in chat. This somehow ruins its spontaneity.
 
4:41 PM
The room would be clutter for the rest of the time.
This problem has been solved already- they are called forums and work well everywhere else on the internet.
@rumtscho That is true. The threading mechanism would have to be more convenient than that.
 
@Sobachatina chat rooms are disposable per default. They are frozen if nobody uses them.
 
@rumtscho That is an interesting idea.
 
@Sobachatina You could also create a forum and invite all seasoned advicers to register. You could even use StackExchange as the OpenID provider, I think.
 
If we did start using a ton of topic related chat rooms then they would have to add some indexing mechanism and it would turn into a real-time forum.
 
I think math has 7-8 chat rooms as of today
 
4:44 PM
@rumtscho I would do that if it seemed like other people agreed with me. I feel like it doesn't bother anyone else.
Anyway, sorry for burdening you with my ranting.
How was your weekend?
 
It's not burdening, it is always good to know what a distinguished member of our community thinks about us and our site :)
 
I like your edit to that question and especially the comment.
Bacon week...
Bacon is delicious but it has become so frequently referenced that it has become almost a running joke.
I wonder what kind of questions we'll get.
My probation period has ended so I might post some questions.
 
They're cracking down on extra chat rooms
they don't want a bunch of tiny ones floating around
 
@Sobachatina lol "probation" sounds bad
@rfusca really? I have missed that.
 
@rumtscho i think it was in an email
 
4:58 PM
Btw, my subjective question about this crust still stands :) haven't made the pizza yet.
@rfusca did they mention a reason?
 
@rumtscho just the whole "don't want private conversations thing"
 
@rfusca This is about closed rooms I think
 
i guess
 
5:36 PM
@rumtscho wow, its been crazy this morning. I blame Oracle.
Though, its not entirely their fault. Not mostly, even :-P
@rumtscho so, anyway, I guess I need to look at Martha's draft?
 
@derobert If you want to.
 
@rumtscho when I pull it up, I see what looks like editing in the post?
 
She changed it a lot
I have ideas what can be changed again
But will write it up after I get home
She now has a working recipe for the balls :)
But you can add your thoughts in parallel to mine
 
Yes. I'm going to add plenty of thoughts. Starting with "The last two blog posts on the Seasoned Advice blog" -> "Our last two posts", etc.
 
I also designed two new recipes for her, before I knew that she had found a working one
But I haven't tried them myself yet, because I happened to have no suitable dairy (a dreary day indeed)
I want to try them quickly tonight
 
5:40 PM
Quick question, the strikeout and blue text in the current draft—what do those two mean?
 
then, if they work and she wants to, she can try them too and add them.
The strikeout is text she had written.
Blue is what I have written.
I had also added comments in square brackets directly into the text, she removed those after editing, but she has left some of my suggestions marked.
I also promised her to try and postprocess some of her pics a bit
Especially the first three are gloomy.
You can do it too, if you have the time before I do - she sent links to the originals in a mail.
 
I give here the recipes as they are in the family cookbook, so they use volume measures. Seasoned Advice endorses measuring by weight, so the post includes a converted version too. This is the original matzah balls recipe I used:
Oh dear.
And also, "1 pint cottage cheese" does not become 454g.
You somehow gained two significant figures
I bet cottage cheese measurement is not accurate to 1g.
 
@derobert I didn't find it in my usual converter, so I asked Wolfram alpha.
 
That's not the problem (I don't actually know the weight, I suppose I can check a container at the grocery)... but it should probably be '450g'.
 
Yes, you can round it, if you want to.
 
5:48 PM
Yes. But the original recipe is 1 pint. Which I'm confident wasn't measured precisely.
 
The Professional Chef doesn't round when converting, so I decided not to round whole grams. I only rounded the salt and vanilla.
@derobert yes, I think the recipe will be OK if they make it with 450 g. Round it, if you want to.
 
Ok, well, I'll get that along with the substantial suggestions.
 
Especially when the matzah amount isn't specified at all. At first it just said "matzah", at my suggestion she changed to "until it forms a sticky dough" which is probably the best we can get under the circumstances.
 
That recipe is pretty clearly based on convenience (1 pint happens to be a common size cottage cheese is sold in), and probably really done entirely by feel
and by taste
 
BTW, did you notice our search engine terms?
Somebody searched for "matcha cookies" and found us
 
5:55 PM
nice
 
Not so :(
I just searched for it and we are not on the first ten pages
Must have been a regular reader who searched for us specifically
 
or a different search engine
 
6:10 PM
@derobert I tried three.
 
7:04 PM
@derobert are you correcting in WP, or in a separate file?
Actually, let me go home first, then I will edit from there. Maybe I'll cook the new matzah balls first.
 
7:18 PM
For this week.
 
I ate bacon this evening.
 
@Mien Any questions?
 
What would I want to ask? :p
 
The only questions I have had are "Why is bacon so freaking delicious?" and "why does it have to be so bad for me?"
@Mien That's what I mean. It's bacon week. Did you have anything to ask?
 
Oh is it?
Ah, it's Tuesday today.
Always confusing when Monday's a day off.
My mom made it and it wasn't crispy :p
 
7:27 PM
I like it more chewy than crispy.
There's a question.
 
Do you have a rind on your bacon?
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Q: Does bacon need to be fried until crisp?

AshishI'm not sure how much to fry the frozen bacon I get. Should it be crisp? When do I stop?

How else can you prepare bacon? :s
Perhaps in the oven I guess.
 
@Mien The best part of that question is @hobodave's comment "my votes banana-smash-close instantly"
 
Hah, I must've missed that!
 
I feel insincere with that last bacon question. I know the answer to that.
I feel bad asking questions I know the answer to but the site encourages it.
The answer is to not drain the fat and cook with more gradual heat- the oven is perfect.
 
I'll ask one as well, to make you feel better then ;)
 
7:35 PM
Especially coated with brown sugar and black pepper. Oh goodness that stuff is a heart attack waiting to happen.
@Mien Thank you. It would.
 
Np.
 
I like it!
And I don't know a good answer that makes it even more appealing.
 
I just read the answer in another question :p
But I didn't know of it myself till now, so...
 
I know why it curls- because the meat tightens up faster than the fat does- but I don't know how to avoid it.
 
I never thought this hard about bacon.
But movie, I'll continue thinking tomorrow ;)
Heh, about your chewy question. Funnily enough, my mom can only end up with chewy ones.
I'm guessing her heat isn't that high.
Sorry @Sobachatina, I stole something.
 
7:54 PM
From me? I would be flattered.
Unless you start making a lot of money off of it then I might be a little sad.
 
Well I stole it without mention you. So it's really stealing.
I won't make money out of it, but perhaps a book ;)
 
That's ok. What could I possibly have written that is worth stealing?
 
That bacon curls up.
There wasn't a question yet how this happens.
 
I won't vote to close but that seems like a very similar question to your "how do I make it flatter"
I like the answer that you've gotten already though.
 
Well, I admit it's related. But I'm asking different things.
 
8:01 PM
I've never heard of a bacon iron. I wonder if it works.
@Mien Fair enough.
 
If five other people think it's the same, fine :)
I won't cry.
 
You've created an interesting situation with your less salty question.
There are already two other "less salty bacon" questions but you are right that both accepted answers don't answer the question at all.
As a non-asker of the old questions, how do you solicit new answers without asking the question again and slightly rephrasing it?
Welcome @msh210
 
@Sobachatina Thanks!
@Sobachatina Set a bounty? It allows you tospecify what you're seeking.
 
Yes, indeed bounty.
 
@msh210 I didn't know that it did that.
 
8:06 PM
Or an edit (but I think that's not really liked)
 
@msh210 Looking at your profile I get the feeling that you might not be that interested in our bacon contest this week. :)
 
@Sobachatina Yeah, the note (where you explain what you're seeking) will be appended beneath the question.
@Sobachatina ;-) I saw it (first cooking.se contest I know of) and tried to think of a good question and -- shockingly -- couldn't.
 
@msh210 So, what brings you to our chat, if not bacon?
 
@rumtscho A question about the site blog.
 
@msh210, @rumtscho's greeting above is not because of the contest.
 
8:10 PM
hi!
 
She actually greets all new people with the phrase "if not bacon"
 
@msh210 Then you're in the right place at the right time - I happen to be one of the blog admins
@Sobachatina lol, prove it!
 
I seem to recall someone saying somewhere (here? in the Teacher's Lounge perhaps?) that he/she would post a blog post on foods for Jewish Pentecost. Any idea what happened to that?
 
@hobodave good evening
@msh210 is that Shavuot?
 
@rumtscho Yeah.
 
8:11 PM
She isn't a mod AFAIK, so wouldn't have been TL
The post is currently in editing
 
Sadly, I have little time for chat at my new job
 
But I wanted to propose two new recipes I designed and see if she wants to include them
If not, it will probably go live within 1-2 days
 
(Heh, I see four "New feed items" above on bacon, one of which is "Can I can bacon?", which I misread as "Can I bacon?", which made me think, "Wow, someone's really pushing the envelope to get in a contest-themed question")
 
if she wants to, we have to wait until she has cooked them and compared the results to her old ones.
 
@rumtscho Oh, okay, thanks FYI. (I was hoping to see the post before the holiday, for recipe ideas, but at least I'll have them for next year. :-) )
 
8:12 PM
@hobodave Hello!
It's been a while
 
@msh210 It was planned for before the holiday, but her recipe didn't work at first, then she got sick.
@Sobachatina I like your gambit.
> This question is my wife's. I don't want to save bacon for later.
 
@rumtscho Thanks. :) She actually asked me to ask it but I was ashamed at the thought of canning bacon instead of eating it.
 
@rumtscho Ah, I see. Well, hope she's better.
 
@msh210 She's better now, it just resulted in a belated post. But better late than never.
 
@rumtscho For sure.
 
8:15 PM
The recipe itself is for matzah balls with cheese, to be eaten as a dessert.
 
@rumtscho Interesting. Sounds good.
 
@rumtscho That sounds... odd. Cheese cooked into them, or with them? To be eaten hot?
 
Yes, there is cottage cheese mixed into the mass. And sugar.
 
Anything like rasmalai?
 
But they didn't have enough taste in the first three variations she tried.
@Sobachatina I don't know what this is.
 
8:16 PM
@rumtscho Oh, okay, that sounds tasty.
 
@rumtscho Paneer mashed smooth, rolled into balls, simmered in a light syrup, and served in sweetened milk with cardamom and sometimes pistachios.
Very sweet and delicate in flavor and texture.
 
@Sobachatina Never tried it. But this thing has also the matzah meal mixed in. So not so delicate. Also, they are supposed to be eaten without a sauce.
 
@rumtscho Ok, not too similar but it still sounds good.
 
@Sobachatina Is it the same as rasgulla?
 
@msh210 I've always wanted to know. Is kosher salt actually required/recommended for kosher cooking or is it just a marketing term now?
@Mien Looks the same except there is the additional step when the balls are moved from the syrup to reduced and sweetened milk.
 
8:21 PM
I don't think there is unkosher salt?
@Sobachatina I won't try it though :p I didn't like what I linked.
 
@Sobachatina The term is not from kosher cooking. It's from making meat kosher. To be kosher, meat has to be from a kosher species (e.g. beef, not pork), slaughtered a certain way, not diseased (in certain ways), and "koshered". "Koshering" involves drawing out the blood in a certain way, and the most common way to do it involves liberally sprinkling kosher salt on it (among other steps). hence the term "kosher salt".
 
@msh210 Fair enough. I knew some of that (I consider the koshering process to be part of cooking). What I meant was- is actual "kosher salt" required by the law for this purpose or is it simply more effective at it because of the flat shape.
 
But as to your question whether it's "just a marketing term now", AFAIK it's still used for koshering, but of course most people nowadays (in the States anyway) don't kosher their own meat, so it's basically just a marketing term.. that's what the salt became known as so that's what it's known as.
@Sobachatina Not sure, actually. Why don't you ask? ;-)
 
@msh210 Genius! Why didn't I think of that. :)
 
Hm, there is this:
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Q: In what way is kosher chicken different from brined chicken?

Martha F.Over on Seasoned Advice, there have been a number of questions related to the nature of kosher meat and the amount of salt absorbed by the meat. Most recently, In what way is kosher chicken different from brined chicken in terms of salt absorption? In order to fully explore the question, I figur...

 
8:25 PM
@Mien You tried the recipe from that link and didn't like it or you didn't like the look of it?
 
@Sobachatina I tried the recipe itself.
It squeaked when I ate it.
 
@Mien It is much better in the sweet milk but I don't expect you to try it if you didn't like the intermediary stage.
@Mien It's fresh cheese. It's supposed to squeak.
 
Well, I might try it again, but with a better rinsing.
 
Have you ever had fresh cheddar cheese curds?
 
@Sobachatina So I guess I don't like fresh cheese then :(
@Sobachatina Nope.
Cheddar is hard to find here.
 
8:26 PM
They actually call it "squeaky cheese".
 
Leave alone fancy forms of it.
 
It loses the squeak after a day or two.
 
@Sobachatina I've heard about that. I think we have a question about it.
Oh btw, about the parmezan disaster: they will be able to save more than expected. They'll use it in melting cheese.
*processed cheese?
 
That's a relief.
@Mien What? That doesn't seem likely. Processed cheese is all about cheating to cut costs. You don't use premium Parmesan to cut costs- but I suppose if it was going to be written off anyway...
 
Well, no, it's a bad translation.
How do you call cheese that melts well, so you use it for making croques etc?
 
8:31 PM
@mien yes, this is processed cheese.
 
You know... I suspect these questions will probably attract more internet traffic than some of the other contests have.
Given the strange internet fascination with bacon.
 
@Sobachatina yes, it is like the Chuck Norris of food. Everybody knows that it is supposed to talk like it is times better than any other food, but I think that the people who talk that way secretly know that it isn't true.
 
@rumtscho Someone who knows I can't eat bacon recommended turkey bacon as a close substitute. Is it truly? .......hey, waitasecond, that can be my contest question!
 
@msh210 Then ask it :)
I've never tried turkey bacon
But I doubt that it is very close.
I mean, you can use it in recipes without them flopping. But that's about it.
Like using peaches instead of strawberries to decorate a fruit cake. You can still serve the cake, and it will work, but it will taste nothing like the original.
 
@rumtscho Hm. Well, I'll ask on-site. :-)
 
8:40 PM
@msh210 yes, do it.
After all, my answer was theoretical. Maybe they have found a way to make it more similar than I imagine.
 
@rumtscho I totally agree.
I am always smiling when I talk about bacon and it is only partially because it is so delicious.
 
@Sobachatina lol
 
@msh210 marmite is kosher, right?
 
@rumtscho I believe Vegemite is. Dunno about marmite. (Or are they the same?)
@rumtscho Why do you ask?
 
8:44 PM
@msh210 because my new matzah ball recipe includes it
I think they are the same. Both are yeast-based.
 
If my last question doesn't become one of our highest voted from the title alone I will lose faith in the internet. :)
 
@rumtscho Done. Thanks. :-)
 
@Sobachatina haha. But I think the answer might actually be Marmite.
 
If it doesn't get closed as "not answerable because it's magic" of course. :)
 
This is the closest they have to imitating meat flavors
 
8:46 PM
@rumtscho Marmite tastes like bacon?
 
@Sobachatina It tastes like browned meat.
It will need lots of stuff added
 
@rumtscho I'll have to find some. I haven't had it but I thought it was more yeasty.
 
But it is about the most concentrated umami flavor you can get without pure MSG.
 
Maybe I'm confusing it with veggemite (which I also haven't had)
 
It tastes more like beef than like pork, actually.
 
8:48 PM
I'll have to see if my local grocery store has any.
 
@rumtscho umami is that distinctive flavor that's in fake meat made of soybeans?
 
@msh210 No, it isn't the "flavor" of fake meat.
Flavor is made of taste+aroma.
And fake meat is distingushable from parmesan and tomatoes by its aroma.
But the primary taste of all tree is umami.
OK, fresh tomatoes might be more sour than umami.
Most people aren't good at distinguishing taste from flavor, or even one taste from the other.
 
@rumtscho oh, okay. in that case I don't know what umami is :-) Perhaps I should ask my parents' friend who has no sense of smell.
 
My ex would claim that the soup is not salted enough, and incrementally add salt until he put it away because he oversalted it.
 
@rumtscho OMG you're describing me.
 
8:52 PM
I would then add a dash of lemon juice to the original soup (no salt) and he would love it.
 
@rumtscho Wow. That's the first time I recall you mentioning an "ex".
ITS CERBERUS!!!??
 
Ehh well...
 
@Sobachatina Ex-bf.
We weren't officially married. We just lived together for five years.
 
I am apparently identical to her ex.
Though not the same animal, let me stress that.
 
@Cerberus I highly doubt it. For starters, he only had one head.
 
8:53 PM
Details.
 
@rumtscho :)
 
And don't you mean two?
 
He also doesn't speak English.
 
@Cerberus :D
 
The problem is that often adding more salt helps.
 
8:53 PM
@Cerberus However many he had, he was only capable of thinking with one at a time...
 
And would you call lemon juice umami?
 
@Cerberus Adding salt helps speak English? Actually that makes sense.
 
@Cerberus No, sour.
But the point is that he wasn't able to distinguish between these two flavors which are commonly recognized.
 
@rumtscho If I scramble all my cognitive abilities, I might find enough to fill one normal head...
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@Sobachatina Hey, take whatever I say with a grain of salt, and it all makes sense.
 
@rumtscho Besides parmesan cheese (which I've never tasted AFAIR) and soy "meat", what is an exemplar of umami?
 
8:55 PM
@rumtscho OK I was thinking...
@msh210 Never??
Were you raised a veganist?
 
@msh210 mushrooms
 
@Cerberus Well, maybe. Not that I recall.
@Cerberus Heh, no. Nor a vegan. Nor a Las Vegan.
 
But also beef and other meat.
 
@msh210 soy sauce (along with a ton of salty of course)
 
A raw-foodie, then?
 
8:55 PM
@msh210 Any aged cheese, not just parmesan.
 
@rumtscho Can you name a few salty foods that aren't umami?
 
@Cerberus French fries.
 
@Cerberus salt itself :)
Pringles
jinx
 
@Sobachatina Hmm isn't that umami at all?
ponders
 
@cerberus almost none. A tiny little bit from the crisping.
 
8:56 PM
@rumtscho Really? Natural or cheese-onion or...?
 
If you crisp them brown, that is.
@Cerberus natural.
 
Hm, I can't find the commonality among mushrooms, beef, soy "meat", and soy sauce.
@Cerberus No.
 
@rumtscho That's perhaps the main part of the taste of fries, besides the salt...
 
@msh210 Because you are probably thinking of their aroma, not their taste.
 
@rumtscho Ah OK. Well those things are tasteless anyway.
 
8:57 PM
@rumtscho Likely :-)
 
@msh210 How boring!
Were you bored as a child?
 
@Cerberus To not have been raised a raw-foodie?
 
Yes.
 
@msh210 seaweed
 
@Cerberus Yes, my parents applied boring drills to me on a regular basis.
 
8:58 PM
I imagine it must be exciting, like Frodo's journey to Mordor.
 
@msh210 if you really want to know what umami tastes like, ask at a Chinese restaurant to let you taste pure MSG. Just don't eat a whole teaspoon of it, only a few grains.
 
@msh210 Oh, that's lovely.
@rumtscho How about black-bean sauce?
And tempeh?
Somehow I associate strong umami with fermentation.
 
@rumtscho No kosher Chinese restaurants around here. I suppose I can wander into a non-kosher one's kitchen and ask them for some, if their MSG is kosher.
 
@Cerberus I haven't had them.
 
@rumtscho I've never tasted msg all by itself. I usually recognize umami more when it is missing than when it is present.
 
8:59 PM
@rumtscho Neither black-bean sauce nor tempeh?
 
@msh210 It probably is, it is extracted from bacteria I think.
@Cerberus No.
 
I've been meaning to get some tempeh to try. It sounds like it could be good.
 

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