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12:00 AM
Emergency question! I forgot to buy yeast. Now how am I going to bake bread?
Any chance I could use baking powder, somehow?
 
@cerberus no
You can make quickbread, but not with the same recipe as normal bread
 
@rumtscho sad faces
 
Pancakes.
 
It will be more something like a salty muffin
 
Hmm.
 
12:02 AM
yes, pancakes are a good idea
There are unleavened breads too
 
Not exactly looking forward to eating a salty muffin in the morning...
 
You have to make them in a pan
 
Hmm.
I'll decide tomorrow morning, then, between crackers and pancake.
 
Stay with pancakes or crepes or popovers, they are all good for breakfast
 
Pancakes > bread anyway. Especially with bacon. Or maple syrup. Or butter. Now I'm getting hungry.
 
12:03 AM
Popovers?
 
Yes, American stuff. I like it.
It is batter baked in very hot fat
 
Like deep-fried?
 
They expand under steam.
 
Or not that much?
 
No, they are not like deep-fried.
 
12:04 AM
@rumtscho Yes, I starred that, because it might be the only time we ever hear you say it.
 
Hmm.
 
You don't use that much fat.
 
But you must imagine a sluggish creature with closed eyes and the brain of an acorn.
 
@Aaronut Oh, there are other American things I like.
 
And two dog paws. Left paws.
 
12:04 AM
Or at least North American, which get here through US culture.
 
I.e. can only do simple, quick things in the morning.
 
Didn't you mention maple syrup? I like that too.
 
Popovers are sort of a cross between muffins and choux pastry.
 
@cerberus they are as simple as pancakes
 
@rumtscho That's more of a Canadian thing, but yeah.
 
12:05 AM
@Aaronut That's why I added the disclaimer before it
 
lol, yes, I know, all "North America" is one region for you.
 
@rumtscho Hmm somehow I know I will be unable to actually bake anything in the morning, with little sleep and less time.
 
@Cerberus if you haven't had them, try them tomorrow morning
They are easier than bread
 
@Cerberus That's why pancakes are awesome, you don't really need to bake anything...
 
I use a bread-maker, silly. I am too dead to do anything in the morning.
 
12:07 AM
You pour fat in muffin cups, heat it. Mix everything together. Pour the mixed batter into the cups, put in the oven, wait. Take out, eat.
 
How long? I will probably have 20 minutes or so.
 
Mmm, fat.
 
Including eating.
 
Oh, then it isn't enough :(
 
Ok, I have done pancakes in 20 minutes, but I usually like to leave a little more time than that...
 
12:08 AM
Make crepes tonight, they are good cold.
 
Doesn't really give you time to savor them.
 
Yeah I'll go with the waffles or crackers with cheese. I actually have good cheese lying around somewhere. Hmm... I'll bake the bread when I get back.
 
What about waffles? Do you have a waffle press?
 
BRB
 
@Aaronut have you noticed any contest questions lately?
Things seem to have been very quiet in this long contest.
I wonder if I can help for an end spurt if I can think up a question of my own.
Maybe I should bake a pie tomorrow and try to come up with a q.
 
12:10 AM
@rumtscho I don't think so. I'm not sure if the extended timeline was that great an idea... thought I said something about that at the beginning.
 
@Aaronut It was unavoidable, I guess, with Laura being away.
 
I'd really love to participate more but I have so little time to cook or write questions these days.
@rumtscho Oh, that explains it... I didn't know the reason why.
 
No time to cook... that sounds sad.
@Aaronut She is on vacation in South Africa.
 
Well, no time to cook anything particularly complex. Maybe some steaks, lamb chops, whatever.
But yeah, I've eaten out or ordered in about 4 times this week.
It's actually not sad, it's been a pretty good/interesting week for me. Just very busy.
 
@Aaronut sounds nice. Just work, or did you get to pursue hobbies?
 
12:14 AM
@rumtscho Hobbies, lol, no, I wish. Work yes, but not in the usual sense. I finally made some headway on a consulting contract and have an FTE offer worth looking into.
This is important to me because as I've alluded to in the recent past, I'm not thrilled with regular work lately.
 
I haven't heard it. I didn't even know that you were self-employed.
 
I'm not self-employed. Or not exclusively anyway. I work full-time but do consulting on the side, when I can.
I want to be self-employed but that is a whole other story.
 
You are in IT, right?
 
In a manner of speaking. I've got those skills but mainly I've tried to make my mark in being a business professional, understanding how businesses actually operate and what they need, not just writing code according to someone's spec.
It's not as easy as it sounds because most businesses have no clue how they should be operating.
 
I know, I did lots of "wirtschaftsinformatik" classes
 
12:19 AM
Anyway, even if it all amounts to nothing or very little, it's uplifting to know that there are opportunities and some level of recognition out there.
@rumtscho .......
 
@Aaronut this is a new discipline between computer science and business
Most people who do anything with business processes are from this corner
 
I see. Well I don't know if there's a specific discipline here for it but yes, I guess that's the area.
 
I'm not doing anything specific about business processes now, but I have a coworker who does
So yes, it is a topic which gets researched in software engineering chairs as well as business chairs
 
In my experience on both the employee and employer side, competent developers who also have good communication/business skills are incredibly difficult to find. It's nice to know that the educational institutions in some countries are recognizing that niche.
It's kind of lumped into "software engineering" here but they stop short of really getting into business knowledge, it's all just about how to model this or that.
 
Here it is more on the business side
It is the economics faculties which contain the specialized wirtschaftsinformatik chairs and offer the major
The downside is that the people don't learn much programming.
But they do a lot with processes, modelling, communication, project management, etc.
 
12:24 AM
Hmm, that actually sounds kind of similar to some of the business courses here... like my FT manager has that sort of background, mostly business and a tiny bit of programming/DB.
 
It depends on the university.
 
I think you need both sides to be a good consultant or better yet start a tech business.
 
There is always some programming and DB required.
 
But theoretical computer science or algorithms is mostly missing.
The programming is more on the practical side.
 
12:25 AM
@rumtscho Was never a fan of those anyway... not unless you're working for Microsoft or Google.
But there's still a gap between a professional developer and a "line of business" programmer, huge gap in code/design quality.
 
@Aaronut I don't know. Of course you won't use them as a developer. But at least optimization is something which changes the way you look at coding.
I must say I have written a few O(n³) or worse stuff before I had exposure to such courses blush
 
It's kind of sad because where I work is the perfect environment for that sort of role, if only they could give us the time and resources to do it.
Sadly, a year and a half of beating the same drum and we only seem to be regressing in terms of doing anything of real value.
So, like I said, it's refreshing to start seeing new opportunities out there.
 
Yes, I have heard that many companies are one big WTF on the inside
 
Maybe I've just been doing the same thing too long. 8 years is a long time to spend at the same company, for a software engineer.
 
Actually, I have heard about more than the normal ratio, because I was an intern at a company which does quality consulting, and still have contacts to an old colleague from there
 
12:30 AM
@rumtscho I guess most companies are WTF in their own way. But if I had to choose, I'd rather be with a shoot-from-the-hip startup that occasionally makes stupid mistakes than an overweight risk-averse company where I can't get anything useful done.
 
This company are the guys who get called when a project is already burning, and are asked to put out the fires
 
@rumtscho That is almost my job... and 2-3 years ago I thought I was done putting out fires because I'd spent so much effort improving our processes and our overall product quality. But now I have to put out other people's fires. It sucks.
 
@Aaronut Everybody has their own preferences. But yes, too much bureaucracy is terrible.
 
@rumtscho Unfortunately, companies who do not understand technology almost always end up making the same stupid assumption that they need better processes as opposed to more/better people.
(and of course there's always an implicit assumption that executives and senior managers shouldn't have to follow the process... and they're the ones usually creating the fires that other people have to put out... sigh)
 
@Aaronut I think there is a casual link between @sobachatina's statement that their CEO has a cubicle exactly like everybody else and that his company is on the Fortune 500 list of best employers.
 
12:35 AM
Consulting for smaller companies is really great in that respect because you don't have to convince them of this. Going from 0 to 10 kph is way more noticeable than going from 90 to 100.
 
@Aaronut And I bet that in a small company, the people you work with have actually the power to change things.
 
@rumtscho lol, I don't know where he works but I wonder about that kind of thing. Often you hear of CEOs "working in" cubicles but either they're hardly ever in the office or they spend all day in a conference room.
I don't think that CEOs should work in cubicles. I'm not impressed by that. I want to see the opposite, offices for everyone who needs privacy.
 
@Aaronut I don't think that his location matters as much. It is more the fact that he considers himself to be one of his people, not somebody for whom the rules don't apply.
 
Well, I suppose. But wherever they happen to work, CEOs still have very different jobs from front-line staff.
 
Of course they do. I imagine that if a CEO tried to code or sell the whole time, his company would collapse.
 
12:40 AM
Executive micromanagement is actually more common in smaller companies. In larger companies, the more pernicious problem is executives making decisions in a vacuum, decisions that negatively affect their workers without knowing or understanding all the facts.
Working in a cubicle isn't really going to change that, IMO.
It's a nice gesture and I certainly won't fault CEOs or other execs who do that in order to make a statement... but what really matters is how they operate from day to day, not what they do for show.
I know I sound cynical, but I've personally witnessed a few different execs who try to make these kinds of statements but still end up showing little regard for their staff.
Because let's face it, it is freaking hard running a company of more than 10 people and having any clue what's going on beneath you. That's why they hire HR and middle managers.
 
I can imagine it.
 
I think I got off track there. Anyway, I looked at the tags and there seem to have been hardly any contest questions in the past week. You can look at the mod analytics and see for yourself what the net effect is...
 
Are there mod analytics per tag?
Hah, why did we get such a terrible page view dive yesterday?
It isn't any special weekend now, is it?
Or are the data not yet in, due to America being behind UTC?
 
1:00 AM
Yeah, UTC started 2 hours ago so it always looks low on the most recent day if you look at night.
(BTW, analytics are private... don't be too specific about 'em)
 
 
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7:30 AM
@Cerberus I didn't know popovers myself, I tried them but I didn't like them very much.
But they are simple.
So it's up to you to decide whether you'll make them.
 
7:53 AM
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Q: Can coconut cream be transformed into coconut milk, or vice versa?

jontycFor example, will adding water or cow's milk to coconut cream make a usable coconut milk? Or by reducing coconut milk, can I get coconut cream?

 
@Mien I went for crackers with cheese.
No time to make anything.
 
8:21 AM
@sobachatina They've clearly over-analysed that. British accents are used because they're the coolest, obviously.
 
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Q: Light colored palm sugar versus dark

jontycDepending where I get my palm sugar from, it's either light brown colored and quite hard (pictured left), or a very dark brown color and much softer (on the right). Are these different types of palm sugar? I sometimes note the one on the right is called coconut palm sugar and comes from Sing...

 
 
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9:38 AM
@Cerberus Tuc?
 
 
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10:44 AM
@Mien Naah just ordinary volkoren crackers, don't know what to call them...
With cheese, they are great.
 
 
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12:50 PM
I know them. Well, similar kinds.
 
1:11 PM
@hobodave can I know your username on Draw Something?
 
 
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4:36 PM
@mien @hobodave my draw something nick is FLCNYC if you're interested.
 
 
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8:02 PM
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Q: My pesto turned solid. Why?

user16441Warning: I am a cooking noob. I might overlook something ridiculously simple. Anyway, I just made my first pesto sauce (do you call this a sauce??). Basel, Parmesan Cheese, garlic, etc. At the end, I added vegetable oil. All was good and I was proud. Put it on bread and on pasta, and it was very...

 
8:20 PM
@ElendilTheTall Ah good to know :) I'll remember it and draw something for you next week ;)
(It's on my bf's phone)
 
 
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9:40 PM
@ElendilTheTall have you tried recipes from bbc.co.uk?
 
9:55 PM
Or does anyone else have a good recipe for swiss roll?
I'll make one next week, with chocolate butter cream, so the cake would better be not too heavy.
 
10:50 PM
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Q: What does melted butter do in a swiss roll recipe?

MienI'm planning on making a Swiss roll. This is a sponge cake, baked in your baking sheet (so it's thin) and you roll it up, mostly with a filling. While looking for a recipe, some recipes say to use the same recipe as for a regular sponge cake, but add some melted butter. Other recipes don't menti...

 

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