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1:28 AM
I listen to podcasts when I go walking. Which is something (going walking) I should be doing a lot more than I have as of late.
But I'm walking on neighborhood (suburb) sidewalks, not across streets
and certainly look before crossing even one of our small streets
@Aaronut I assume you're talking about the one I flagged and posted here last night. That's the only attention I gave it; not sure what everyone else did. Posted it here, hoping to get it more spam/offensive flags (which, I think if it gets enough, its auto-deleted w/o even having mod attention, but maybe I'm remembering wrong there)
 
1:49 AM
Roast chicken with a postmortem drug problem, suspected of abusing saline solution.
Question is, will it be tasty
 
2:12 AM
@derobert lol, at least you're not trying to cure yourself with it
got a pizzeria here in town to sell me Caputo flour at a reasonable price
3 lbs / 5$
it makes my day
 
Jay
@derobert woah... looks like a victim of a brutal beheading
 
@Jay chicken killer!
 
Jay
@rfusca hows you baby coming along?
 
@Jay shy
 
Jay
@rfusca oh yea your wife is pregnant
no i meant the site
:P
 
2:31 AM
lol
busy with real baby stuff right now
 
Jay
is there a baby room in your house? or will teh baby be in your room?
 
he will have his own room, yes
 
Jay
he will have his own baby? 0.0 man he moves fast, I dont even have a baby yet...
 
@jay :P
 
Jay
brb has your wife crave anything crazy yet?
 
2:41 AM
no
not all women do that
 
Jay
lol ok. thats too bad
well good in your case i guyess
 
ya
 
Jay
i was hoping to hear you say something like raw fish and ice cream
or something similarly gross
 
oh, well she has craved suishi ice cream, just didn't think it odd
 
Jay
@rfusca whats sushi icecream? Icecream made to look like sushi?
or literally raw fish and ice cream 0.0
 
2:43 AM
it was a joke
 
Jay
o lol its hard to tell on the internet sometimes
 
3:17 AM
@derobert I'm not sure what you're talking about... if you look at the transcript for this morning you'll see that there was a troll post which one person (mod on another site) actually edited for grammar and punctuation and another mod left a comment on before finally deleting.
I wasn't pointing fingers at anyone specifically (well, anyone else I guess), just wanted to put that out there.
 
 
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8:35 AM
@Aaronut Ok, I see that now. Yeah. That is hilarious in a bad way to hear that a mod copyedited that post. Seems like even if he/she didn't know the slang, the offensive flag would be a tip-off. But, <shrug>...
 
 
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3:12 PM
Yay, I made cookies!
Now I'll have cookies for breakfast.
Or maybe as an afternoon snack.
@derobert No, it was edited by a non-native speaker who isn't mod on our site, so he couldn't see the flag. I was the mod who left a comment on the lines of "if you do that again, I will suspend your account" before deleting.
The funny thing is that he is a mod somewhere else, and when I asked in the mod chat room if I should destroy the account outright or only delete the post, he was the only one who answered me.
 
@rumtscho those toffee ones?
 
(the room was pretty dead at what would have been early Saturday morning for the North americans)
@Mien No, I didn't have toffee bars.
I made another SK recipe.
 
Looks very nice
Like every SK recipe...
:p
How are they?
 
Not tried yet
They felt very strange when warm, see my new question
I will try them now.
 
I think it's normal that they are so soft.
The first time I made CCC I put them back because I thought they weren't done
So they were too hard...
 
3:20 PM
she says it depends on the size
 
They look very nice btw
 
and they should have golden edges.
But I used dark brown sugar, so they are already ochra-colored.
Yes, it is hard to me to notice when they are done
Umm, may have overbaked them too.
Not very chewy.
More on the crisp side.
Must try to bake them shorter.
I got lots of cookies, and decided to put the rest of the dough in the fridge instead of baking it all now.
I also used much less chocolate than in the recipe
She suggests 350 g of chocolate for cookies made with 200 g flour
I only threw in 100 g of Lindor milk chocolate.
Hmm, the second cookie is much chewier.
The first one must have been from the hot corner, my oven has one.
 
:)
Can you send me one so I can taste?
 
I doubt that it will survive the trip :(
But I can recommend the recipe, it is easy and very quick to do, it took me 30 min from starting to chop the chocolate to shoving the first sheet into the oven.
I used real wet brown sugar, I found the English shop in our town sells it.
 
real wet brown sugar? I can use candy sugar or that brown sugar from this question: cooking.stackexchange.com/questions/20225/…
We've ran out of butter... No cookies today.
Have you got the conversions on your pc?
 
3:33 PM
 
Cane sugar?
 
2 cups all-purpose flour (200g)
1/2 teaspoon baking soda (2g)
1/2 teaspoon salt (2g)
3/4 cup unsalted butter, melted (172 g)
1 cup packed brown sugar (200g)
1/2 cup white sugar (96g)
1 tablespoon vanilla extract
1 egg
1 egg yolk
2 cups semisweet chocolate chips (359g)
 
We have fairtrade stores here, perhaps I should check those.
Tyvm!
 
Cane or beets is not important, I think.
But the point is that this thing is wet.
 
I think we only have very coarse cane sugar.
how can you know it's wet?
 
3:35 PM
You notice it
It clumps
 
Doesn't it also clumps if it's too dry? (Like a brick)
 
And when you take it out of the pack, it moves. Actually, it wriggles like worms, it disgusted me a bit.
No, it isn't like a brick.
 
Ah well, I'll see if I get that sugar. Otherwise I'll use what I've got.
 
It is soft.
 
Wriggling sugar?
 
3:36 PM
No, use normal sugar with molasses.
 
Interesting.
 
We had such a substitution question somewhere.
 
@rumtscho I've never seen molasses here.
 
Use some other kind of syrup, then.
I use beet syrup.
 
I know there are molasses in that sugar from the question I just linked.
 
3:37 PM
But if you don't mind the taste, you can use maple syrup or honey.
Yes, but I think they are dried.
 
My maple syrup is gone, I think.
Ah well.
 
The important part is the softness.
I think that in the worst case, you could cook some sugar syrup and wet with it.
 
My recipe for CCC that I tried twice, uses browned butter instead of melted.
 
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Q: How can I substitute or make soft brown sugar?

KimbaFI have just moved to Germany. I haven't yet been able to find brown sugar of the type we have in Australia ie: soft, small grained, slightly sticky in that it holds its shape well when you dig a spoonful out. The only brown sugars I have seen are granular. You can also buy molasses. Crushin...

Melted butter is unusual, cookie dough is said to need cooling.
Deb also has cookie recipes with browned butter, but I didn't try them.
 
Argh, you've put me in a cookie baking mood.
But we have no butter :(
 
3:42 PM
Bake something else.
An angel food cake, for example. It needs no butter.
 
Jay
or bake quickbread like zucchini bread or banana bread
 
They mostly need fat.
Although, you can usually use oil in them.
 
No, I'm in a cookie mood.
I have strawberry tart scheduled for later this week.
 
I don't think there are any cookies without fat :(
And solid fat at that, they need it for the texture.
 
@rumtscho, since you just bumped this beginner cookbook question, don't you think it's getting way past its answer limit to be constructive? I don't really think it was ever a good question.
 
3:51 PM
@Aaronut yes, I noticed it too.
But I am not sure we should close these old questions unilaterally, without votes from the community.
 
It has 18 answers already, and I'm sure that there are hundreds of possible ones.
 
I bumped it because Shog9 asked me to remove all the referral amazon links users have included in their answers.
 
@rumtscho Well, close votes can be undone by the community if they feel that strongly; I think the major drama happens when we delete old questions like that (and I'm not suggesting that we do).
 
So I am doing three of them every now and then, to avoid a big bumping session.
 
I guess. I just wouldn't be surprised if that question picks up another half dozen marginal answers before the end of the day.
 
3:54 PM
@Aaronut ah, OK. Also, this question is so clear-cut, I don't think anybody will protest.
I closed it.
 
There were meta posts asking for the cookbook polls to be closed because they set a bad example. And flags on some of them. I'm not sure if that particular question was on the list.
Oh yeah, it was this one:
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Q: New users getting mixed signal because of bad existing questions

JayAs a relatively new member of Seasoned Advice (well actually to Stack Exchange itself), I can still remember the problems and issues I faced when I first joined. The most important of them all is that there still exist several old questions that are now considered off topic and not allowed anymo...

Not much participation, I think because it wasn't really explained very clearly.
(Heck, it took me 5 minutes just to find it)
 
Jay
lol sorry
 
But maybe a meta post would be in order, we do still have a lot of questionable old content that floats up to the front page every now and then, perhaps we should be asking point-blank for the community to cast votes.
(or to justify why they should remain open, if that is the case)
 
We have discussed that here in chat
So now the chat regulars tend to cast close votes on bumped old polls
I don't know if a targeted search for bad old questions is needed.
Mmm, ran out of milk :(
 
Things that affect the whole community should normally be discussed on meta, but if you're fine with the current arrangement, I'll let it go.
 
4:02 PM
I'll tread the American way of eating (TM) under my Dachstein boots and eat my cookies with ayran.
 
With... what?
 
Yogurt mixed with water.
A popular Turkish drink.
So maybe not too compatible with Dachstein boots, except that 1) I couldn't think of a Turkish shoe brand, and 2) there are enough Turks here for Germans to know what ayran is, it is found in most supermarkets.
And is this a usual proportion, 350 g of chocolate chips per 700 g of cookie dough?
@Aaronut The current arrangement seems to work.
In the sense that while the old questions are sunk in Leta, nobody cares about them. And once they get bumped, they pick up 1-2 close votes soon enough. Which I see as a good enough reason to hammer them closed.
But if you think we should change this somehow, I agree that a Meta discussion is the way to go.
 
4:34 PM
@rumtscho On the other hand, I've cast close votes on some old questions (maybe not bumped) and they just decayed away - we don't have many people with the ability to see the list of questions with close votes.
 
@Jefromi hmm, I look at both the mod queue and 10k queue. Maybe they are not listed as items there, and I forget to take a look into the tab for pending close votes.
 
@rumtscho Yeah, I dunno, I think at least one was after you became a moderator, but I'm not completely sure. It's not a big deal anyway, since new users aren't seeing them as much as the bumped ones.
So there was some discussion of pie dough the other day... check this out: "French tart dough", from David Lebovitz's blog: davidlebovitz.com/2009/05/french-tart-dough-a-la-francaise
 
@Jefromi how did your chocolate tart turn out?
 
I haven't made it yet, cause I got distracted :(
I'm probably going to try that dough, though, if only because it's so crazy.
 
Sounds like typical Victorian raised pastry to me.
 
4:41 PM
but but flaky crust, without any nonsense about food processors?
 
I haven't seen it in modern recipes, but read about it in books about food history.
Does he claim it is flaky?
I have never had it.
But not all pastry crusts are flaky.
In fact, crusts in France are short crusts, and they are not flaky per design.
 
Oh, cool! And yes, he says it's flaky - though the dough can crack some, so it's not so good for thin fillings.
 
Oh, I get it now.
I didn't read the whole article first.
Here, she boils the water and melted butter, then dumps the flour.
Makes perfect sense.
Everything you need for a flaky crust is that part of your flour is wetted by water, while another part is clumped by butter.
The butter and water don't mix when heated, so this obviously accomplishes the goal.
The careful cooling of butter in traditional American flaky crusts is to prevent cooks from mixing all their flour into the butter, because butter absorbs more flour when warm.
 
I don't know if it's that obvious - you might be worried that you'd get too much flour mixed with one of the components and not enough of the other.
 
But I don't follow that with the Kenji method, because there I get enough water-wetted flour without cooling. And my crusts get flaky.
"until the seventeenth century, pastry was almost always made with melted butter and hot water. It was what we called 'raised pie' pastry. In Sir Kenelm Digby's The Closet Opened (1669), however, he refers to My Lady Lasson's mince pies and says: 'Her finest crust is made by sprinkling the flower (as much as it needeth) with cold water, and then working the past[e] with little pieces of raw butter in good quantity, so that she useth neither hot water not melted butter in them.
 
4:55 PM
Okay so this is perfectly normal as long as it's the 1600s!
 
And this makes the crust short and light'. This is the earliest reference I have found to a short crust, made more or less as we make it today."
This is from Ayrton, The cookery of England
 
Cool, thanks!
 
Wait, I found a special chapter on raised crusts
 
I've found a recipe for yeast crust, it asks for 15 g of yeast (fresh, I assume) and 250 g of flour. Is it me or is that a small amount of yeast?
 
Don't yeast packets weigh 1/4 oz = 7g?
 
5:03 PM
I hate it, my scanner doesn't work and I don't have a convenient way to photograph a book.
@Mien that is lots of yeast.
 
@Jefromi That's dry yeast
or instant.
 
It is 6% fresh yeast.
 
Fresh yeast is in packages of +- 42 g (I should check)
Normally it's a bit too much for a 500g flour bread
 
@Mien Well, then why do you assume the recipe is using fresh? Is that normal in whatever locale the recipe's from?
 
Standard baker's recipes use 2% yeast, quick-rise home recipes use up to 5% fresh yeast.
@Jefromi The amount alone tells it, I would say.
 
5:05 PM
@Jefromi because 2 packages is way too much. And fresh yeast is the standard here.
 
6% instant yeast corresponds to 18% fresh yeast, this is insane.
@Mien you can make your crust with that amount, but pay close attention to it, it will be a very quick rise, easy to overdo.
Also, you will have lots of yeast taste in the finished crust.
 
Yummm yeast flavor.
 
It should rise for 30 min, so that's not very long.
I'm not sure if I'll make it in the near future.
 
It will be enough yeast to have some slight amonnia whiffs.
 
Okay, maybe not yummmm ammonia.
 
5:07 PM
yummonia
I don't have yeast flavour when making bread (40 g yeast, 500 g flour)
and that ratio is even higher.
But bread is different of crust of course.
 
You don't have yeast flavor with this amount?!
Maybe you don't notice it
I always notice it in such proportions.
And a 42 g yeast pack is used for 750 to 1000 g flour in most quick-rise homebake recipes.
 
Oh is it?
Could be I'm wrong, I should check.
 
When I notice yeast flavor I tend to think of it as good - I've never noticed an ammonia smell. Not sure if I've had something strong enough or not.
 
It is probably written on your pack too.
 
I love the smell of yeast :p
@rumtscho Hmm, I don't think so.
Anyway, I'm gonna eat something and figure something else out :p This recipe isn't good enough in practical terms.
 
5:14 PM
Hm what kind of chili powder is this...
 
What's wrong with it?
 
Nothing! I think it's either San Antonio or New Mexico and I was just trying to figure out which.
 
@rumtscho Other than having no clue what you mean by "Leta", I guess that's fine
 
@Aaronut I meant Ī»Ī®ĪøĪ·, the river in Hades
Which I only now learn is usually transliterated as Lethe in English
 
Yup, we like to make Īø a th.
 
5:22 PM
 
Oh, awesome! Thank you!
 
We don't have a th sound in Bulgarian, so we just put a t there.
I am afraid it is not very readable.
 
(To be fair, in modern Greek, that's the sound it actually makes.)
 
Maybe I should attach the scanner to the Windows laptop, it should work there.
 
I can make it out, no worries.
 
5:23 PM
I am still not sure why my computer (Ubuntu 11.10) doesn't notice that there is a scanner attached.
It is actually a multifunctional Epson, and it recognizes the printer part all right.
 
"a lid rather too big" - love it.
 
But when I installed the scanner drivers, it still thinks there is no scanner.
The scanner itself also says "communication error" when I try to scan from its controls.
I could have made a readable picture of the page, if I had had a way to hold it flat. Now, I photographed at F11 and still, most of it is out of focus :(
 
Huh. I had a multifunction HP one a while back, worked fine with Ubuntu... I think I used it with 7.04 and a few versions on.
 
This one worked fine with Ubuntu 10.10
 
So I'd expect 11.10 would definitely support printer/scanners in general! Maybe you're unlucky :(
Oh, huh, weird.
 
5:28 PM
I don't know what happened now.
I hope there isn't a cable I have forgotten attaching
But I think there is a single data cable for both printer and scanenr.
 
Yeah, it should just be one.
 
Haven't had the time (or motivation) to look into it any deeper since I found it out, because I don't use it often.
I don't know if choosing the wrong printer driver can create the problem.
I didn't find my model on the list, so I picked a related one.
Or maybe I changed it since? I don't remember.
But I am sure I installed the scanner driver additionally.
 
Yeah, I don't know. I'd probably poke around with lsusb and such, then give up and start googling.
Wow, this is definitely the most exciting pastry crust I've made.
 
Bus 001 Device 006: ID 04b8:085d Seiko Epson Corp.
I have no idea what it should tell me.
But there isn't a separate entry for the scanner.
Not that I know if there should be one.
 
I think it'd just show up once (not completely sure) but it is a little suspicious that it doesn't have something more specific.
 
5:37 PM
Most stuff doesn't have anything specific.
For example, what is this: Bus 001 Device 013: ID 0424:4063 Standard Microsystems Corp.
Looks like it is the SD card reader incorporated in my monitor. But I had to skim 5-6 Google results to learn it.
 
Well, for example, I have a "Seiko Epson Corp. Perfection V700 Photo (GT-X900)"
a "Microsoft Corp. Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 V1.0" and a "Logitech, Inc. G3 (MX518) Optical Mouse"
so it's a little surprising that it wouldn't have a real name for another Epson product - it could possibly suggest that the driver isn't exactly right? Or it could be nothing, sure.
 
I don't even know how to remove the current drivers
 
Yeah, I've never had to mess around with drivers in Linux much - things tend to either be there or not exist.
 
They got installed more or less automatically, don't show up in the Software center or in this funny "additional drivers" part which practically only lists nVidia drivers
 
The additional drivers thing is probably there because those drivers are proprietary closed-source, and it's basically just the graphics card people who insist on that.
 
5:51 PM
Epson are closed source too, I think.
I have to download them from their partner, they are not in the normal repositories
 
Ah, I see.
 
Success!
It was the printer driver, after all.
When I reinstalled the OS, it said "I discovered a printer, pick your model from a list and I will install the driver for you"
I did this, and it printed. I didn't notice that scan doesn't work back then.
Now, I removed this driver, and downloaded one from the site of the Epson partners.
And the scan driver which I had gotten from the same partner site started working, without any changes.
@jefromi So, how is your not-raised raised pastry going?
 
6:07 PM
Popping it in the oven to prebake in a minute!
And awesome, sounds like it wasn't that painful to fix!
I really liked the bit about making long thin snakes like kids do, by the way.
 
The book is generally nice to read
Both the British words and the tone (it was written in the late 60s)
And it contains some very interesting insights into food.
Dang, my cookies aren't original after all
I looked in the old question, it seems that dark brown sugar isn't the same thing as US brown sugar.
Probably should have mixed it with German brown sugar to get it slightly wet only.
 
I have just discovered that my crêpes this morning did not in fact have butter in them.
Went to put something else in the microwave and the previously melted butter was still sitting in there... oops.
@rumtscho I know the various sugars look pretty different, but are they actually substantially different in water content?
 
6:32 PM
I make crepes without butter
It is not traditional, home cooks add it to have less sticking
@Jefromi yes, look at the pic
I used the one from the right lower corner
It is so wet, it clumps
And when you take it out of the package, the clumps relax a bit
Looks like wriggling worms.
The lower left one should be correct
And the upper two ones have no water content at all.
 
I just meant I don't think it takes very much water at all to go from one to the other, so it might not be a huge difference in cookies?
 
I think it affects the texture while creaming
 
Yeah, I guess so.
I think I've probably made cookies with dark brown, like the lower right, before. Seemed fine to me!
 
ah ok, I was afraid that it can make them too wet.
I have some cookies which are underbaked in the middle and overbaked on the edges.
Despite being flat.
 
6:54 PM
Uh oh.
I supposed it could be wetter than I realized - the picture does look like my dark brown sugar though.
 
Maybe I just baked it in the wrong way.
Or maybe these cookies are underbaked in the middle and OK on the edges, and my expectation for the softness of the properly baked cookies are wrong.
Which means they would have been OK if I had baked them longer.
 
I still crave cookies :(
@rumtscho did you also try the other SK recipe for CCC?
 
7:19 PM
No, I don't bake two cookie recipes per day
In fact, I still have 2/3 of the baked cookies uneaten, and half of the dough batch unbaked.
 
Are you ill?
Heh, it's the first time I see the 'false friends' question.
Did you understand the first comment on your answer, about the chicory?
 
@Mien I hoped it will get straightened up in the other question I linked first.
Now, I don't know enough about the situation to write it into the body.
But if you do, feel free to edit it.
 
7:35 PM
Ah yes, I've seen that first question, but didn't think it was worth editing.
I'll edit it. But in which question would it be best?
 
Wow, someone actually contributed to the community wiki in "false friends".
I think that question needs a better title, most people who see it aren't going to know what it means (I'm not sure I do).
 
False cognates?
Or just "translation issues".
 
Cognate isn't quite the same thing - it refers to etymological origin, not meaning.
 
Does it?
I thought it refers to the phonology/orthography of a word.
 
@Aaronut it was me who had to make all the edits :( But at least they gave me the information for it.
 
7:40 PM
Perhaps cognate and cognaat are false-cognates ;)
 
@Jefromi Well "friend" makes even less sense... I guess it's like "common translation mistakes" or something?
 
@Mien That's what I was about to suggest!
 
@rumtscho No, someone new actually just edited it a few minutes ago.
 
"False friend" is actually the right term here; it's just not commonly known.
Wikipedia actually mentions the difference between it and "false cognate" in the article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_friend
 
I don't know if they are afraid that they won't use the correct style if they edit it themselves, think they don't have enough info, can't be bothered to write it in the style I have used until now, or don't know that we want them to edit the CW. But most of the edits are made by me.
OK, I didn't notice the part about bread - nice.
 
7:42 PM
@rumtscho Yeah, I know that. I was remarking about the one edit that wasn't made by you.
@Jefromi I guess you're right. It still sounds inscrutable to me.
I have a pretty wide vocabulary but I have never heard that phrase before.
 
I wonder what the story is behind the Ĩerstvý-czerstwy pair.
 
@Aaronut Yeah, I think if it's ever to be used as a discoverable (even for non-native speakers) name for a category, it's quite reasonable to broaden it to translation issues, or some such.
 
@rumtscho in Dutch, 'biscuit' (which is in fact a French word) is largely the same as biskuit (in German). I don't know how to fit it well in your answer.
In Belgian Dutch at least.
 
Maybe it is connected to "night", one meaning "from this night" - so it is freshly baked this morning - and the other "from last night/evening", the bread which was eaten then. This is a speculation, but I suspect that the Bulgarian word for "evening" - vecher - is connected.
@Aaronut, @Jefromi if you can come up with a better question title, feel free to edit.
I thought that the expression is well known, but I know more about languages and multilingual issues than the average person.
 
How do you call the root of the chicory plant in English?
 
7:50 PM
"Root chicory (Cichorium intybus var. sativum) has been in cultivation in Europe as a coffee substitute. The roots are baked, ground, and used as a coffee substitute and additive, especially in the Mediterranean region (where the plant is native), although its use as a coffee additive is also very popular in India (see Indian filter coffee), parts of Southeast Asia, South Africa and southern United States, particularly in New Orleans."
 
I can't remember if I know it only from my translator friend... I know I knew false cognates before.
 
That's what Wikipedia says.
 
@rumtscho I just named it 'the root'. Should be clear enough.
 
Jay
omg lololol my roommate is a retard!
 
@Jay ?
 
Jay
7:57 PM
She was trying to imply people like to put words in her mouth but she said, "I dont understand half the things that come out of my mouth, and the other half are things that people put in there."
 
@jay i want to meet her...
 
Jay
shes pretty cute. not sure if shes your type though
 
She sounds like she is ;)
What's 'my type' anyway?
 
Jay
 
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