The DMZ

M'vy

06:48

Morning

@kalina this is not random

Rоry McCune

07:08

Morning All

An early start for me today, as one of our cats disrupted our morning walk by joining us... we then had fun getting him home past several dogs...

@TildalWave not sure if you're familiar with Solar Designer but apparently he's of need of assistance with Slovenia Beaurocracy... twitter.com/solardiz/status/651947490653118465

Adi

07:25

@RoryA Is an IISP membership still as respected in the industry as it was a few years ago?

kalina

sometimes I feel like you turn up here specifically for information security questions and then leave again once you have your answers... what are we, a Q&A site?

you don't love us anymore

Adi

@RoryA I'm thinking about applying for an affiliate (then associate) membership, and I saw that you're a full member there.

@kalina You've changed a lot, but I still love you

Like a.. ummm

kalina

this always happens when a guy you know gets a girlfriend, you suddenly don't know him anymore and he's gone... busy... and then suddenly pops up and is all like OH HAI

Rоry McCune

@Adi the elder rory is like an organiser for IISP

@Adi friend?

Adi

@RоryMcCune Oh, god no!

Even if I knew her IRL I wouldn't be her friend

Jesus!

kalina

07:30

wow

I'm just here you know

Rоry McCune

@Adi dude

@kalina yeah wtf

Adi

Wait wait wait

So now DMZ became serious stuff?

Rоry McCune

@Adi oh yeah, we're all about the srs businezz now

Adi

I thought we're still doing the shit-on-kalina-and-simon thing

Rоry McCune

@Adi not doing that though

well apart from @AviD

Adi

07:31

Oh yeah, and @Avi

@kalina Nah, just kidding. I'd tooootally be your friend

and I'd ask you to join my friends for beer/wine

kalina

yeah because that's not creepy at all

Adi

and we'd play scrabble or something

kalina

what kind of friend would invite a non-drinker for beer and wine

Adi

then eat ice-cream

and cook food

I don't know what friendspeople do :(

Rоry McCune

@kalina a bad one , that's what kind.. and now he's trying to make up with Ice cream.

kalina

07:33

@Adi cause that's all I'm good for, right? Cooking...

sounds like a back in the kitchen statement to me

Adi

@kalina Nah, I don't really think you're good at that

I do the cooking in my kitchen

Didn't you say a few months ago that you only know how to cook microwave pizza?

Or was that @Simon?

kalina

No I can only cook toast

Adi

I can't :(

I don't have a toaster

kalina

me either, I find I like leaving it way too long so it bursts into flames

Rоry McCune

mmm toast

AviD

07:37

mmm flames

Rоry McCune

@AviD you all organized for the conf. then?

AviD

@RоryMcCune pfft, of course not, we still have a few days.

Rоry McCune

@AviD heh, nothing like a bit of last minute cramming!

AviD

We will start planning monday afternoon, do everything monday night and early tuesday morning, and be ready by 9AM Tuesday.

@RоryMcCune wait, is there any other way?

Rоry McCune

@AviD ... aren't there one or two bits that have a lead-time to arrange?

kalina

07:42

yes,you could be organized

M'vy

@AviD yeah and he's tweeting like a crazy tigger

AviD

part of our problem is that (1) sponsors like waiting till the last minute to commit (2) people like waiting till the last minute to register

@RоryMcCune yeah, thats why we're starting monday afternoon, and not night. Duh.

M'vy

Twitter should put a snoozing to "date" setting for this :)

AviD

@M'vy I just discovered tweetdeck! :D

@M'vy you dont even know what the tweetschedule looks like.

M'vy

@AviD seems like favouriting someone gets you updates on every single reply you make...

AviD

07:43

I love this "schedule tweets for a specific time" feature

M'vy

though I was glad I had the TSA one

AviD

@M'vy heh, was good, right?

its like, normals dont want to listen to Bruce drone on, but this way was fun

M'vy

@AviD hey hey Bruce drone

kalina

oh, today is going to be one of those days

AviD

the ones ending in "Y" ?

kalina

07:47

sit at my pc, it's decided to re-arrange my monitors for me

I'm clicking the buttons but it's not doing what I want

resistance met; plan aborted - returning to bed

Rоry McCune

08:02

@kalina always a plan

Rory Alsop

08:25

@Adi - yes. It had a slump for a bit while they sorted CIE London membership, affiliations with government, corporate memberships etc, and now progress to chartered institute is well on the way

Got them to commit to regional initiatives, finally, and its looking good

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop s/initiatives/parties/ :op

Rory Alsop

I'm not Scottish branch lead any more, stepped down this year, but still hooked in to what they are up to

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop ahh, who's the wo(man) for that now?

Rory Alsop

Had branch meeting last night as it happens - had an interesting bunch of ex-mil folks there, one of whom has trained a bunch of @AviD's compatriots

@RоryMcCune Owen Birnie

AviD

@RoryAlsop wait, dont you mean the other way around?

TildalWave

08:45

morning

@RoryAlsop How did your aurora observing go last night? Did you take any pics?

Actually that's a question for both Rorys cc @RоryMcCune

Rоry McCune

@TildalWave didn't see it out our way :( I had a look but I think it was behind hills from where I am.

it was visible on the cowal peninsula tho'

Shot taken on the Holy Loch down by Dunoon

TildalWave

ah nice

apparently it was also visible from South Wales last night

Tonight's #aurora over the lights of South Wales - photographed from the Quantock Hills, Somerset, at 21:27BST. http://t.co/3FTJaM08G7

Tweeted by willgater on October 7, 2015 at 11:18 PM

Journeyman Geek

pretty

TildalWave

erm, Somerset would still be England actually

so even farther South

M'vy

IEEE is trying to bait me into early renewal with ... an Apple Watch contest?

Rоry McCune

09:41

TildalWave

09:52

I need coffee, it took me a minute to get it (rabbit / rabbi)

CodesInChaos

@TildalWave I didn't get it at all, until you commented.

Rory Alsop

I didn't get it until I zoomed in and could read Mazeltov

CodesInChaos

Would have been easier to get if they had used the Hebrew alphabet.

Rоry McCune

sorry sorry, I'll try and find clearer pun cartoons in future :op

CodesInChaos

I'm in a Redmond nuking mood today ;)

Not only did Microsoft cripple raw sockets, they conveniently forgot to mention that they removed the ability to receive TCP and not just the ability to send TCP.

Rory Alsop

10:00

@AviD - no, he's an advanced combat instructor.

CodesInChaos

And all in the name of "security" despite raw suckets requiring admin privileges.

Rоry McCune

@CodesInChaos yeah getting some of the admin stuff to work on MS products is a huge pain now due to "security" requirements

things like Hyper-V remote administration in a non-domain setting, seem way more complicated than they should need to be

Adi

@RoryAlsop So you think a membership wouldn't be a bad idea?

@Avi Heard of this guy? rozinconsulting.com

AviD

@Adi huh, dont think so... I do know a Michael rAzin. dont think its the same guy.

CodesInChaos

So now I have to rewrite the code to use winpcap instead of raw suckets.

Adi

10:04

@AviD I emailed him about one of his courses. A couple of coworkers and I were interested

All was good until I think he found out I'm from Syria :D

AviD

@Adi pfffttt

Adi

@AviD A guy from Syria asking about airport security course :D

hehehehe

AviD

lol

Adi

This screams 911ish because of the flight courses

I didn't realize it until he stopped responding to my emails

"Oh yeah, that does look suspicious!"

@RoryA and do they accept non-UK members?

CodesInChaos

Sounds like I have to have Steve Gibson to thank for that.

Adi

10:21

@CodesInChaos Great guy

BlueBerry - Vignesh4303

hi everyone

CodesInChaos

@Adi I didn't have any problems with him so far. Guess that changed today.

Rory Alsop

@Adi pretty certain they do, yes

Adi

10:38

@RoryAlsop and what about your personal opinion? Do you think it's a good idea if I'm planning a UK move in the next couple of years?

@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 Hi!

Oh, it's you!!

@Simon Your friend is here!

Rоry McCune

@Adi @Simon is AWOL at the moment...

TildalWave

11:09

pls what does that even mean?

Adi

@TildalWave He hasn't been here and we have no clue how/why

Terry Chia

@Adi Whether it's a good thing or bad is an exercise left for the reader.

Adi

I don't know, man. @Simon is pretty alright

Simon

@RoryAlsop That'd be cool but I'm too lazy to participate.

@Adi Is it bad that I barely remember this friend? :s

AviD

11:28

hey @RоryMcCune just in case you missed it....

Why The TSA Doesn't Stop Terrorist Attacks - Adam Ruins Everything

►

SCREW YOU IF I CANT WORK NEITHER CAN YOU

RoraΖ

@Simon See he's alive

Simon

@RoraΖ Who?!?

RoraΖ

You

Simon

Ahhh.

RoraΖ

@Adi was worried

Simon

11:33

I was getting my forearm done yesterday.

And now I'm trying to figure out a way to type without dying.

Journeyman Geek

type with your feet.

Simon

I'm definitely considering it.

Adi

11:45

@AviD Oh, Bruce!

JukEboX

12:01

Morning

Adi

Morning

AviD

afternoon

BlueBerry - Vignesh4303

@avid i need a help in editing my answer

AviD

I wouldnt know anything about that

BlueBerry - Vignesh4303

recently i wrote this security.stackexchange.com/a/102195/11679 answer but cant format it properly,kindly help me in making it with proper formatting

@AviD

AviD

12:09

58 secs ago, by AviD

I wouldnt know anything about that

BlueBerry - Vignesh4303

@AviD but u top the security.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Editors&filter=all editors chart

AviD

of course I am, cuz I'm awesome

also very busy right now

BlueBerry - Vignesh4303

thanks hope somone will edit and make it :) @AviD yeah man **as a avid user,avid enthusiast,avid researcher you were awesome :)

Simon

@AviD Yeah what's up with that, what has been going on in the past weeks?

@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 Dude give him a break, his head won't fit through the door.

Adi

@BlueBerry-Vignesh4303 What the fuck is that answer?!

Simon

12:16

lololol

Adi

I'm sorry, but given the quality of the rest of your answers, I find it hard to believe that you actually wrote that within 30 minutes after that question was asked

Too long

Not good, but doesn't really suck as much as your other answers

Hmm.. statistical anomaly for sure

Simon

Bahaha.

AviD

@Simon AppSec Israel, braugh

Simon

@AviD Damn, it needs that much of your time?

AviD

@Adi your face is a statistical anomaly

@Simon I know, right?

last minute crunch....

and in parallel to the rest of the work / family / etc

Adi

12:22

@AviD It indeed is. You wouldn't normally see someone as smart as I am having a face as handsome as mine

JukEboX

Mernin

Rоry McCune

@Simon what were you getting done to it?

Simon

@RоryMcCune Tattoo.

Rоry McCune

@Simon also you should've told @kalina that you'd be away, she was worried about you :op

AviD

@RоryMcCune he had shoved it up too far.

Adi

12:26

@JukEboX So, you basically this running?

window.setInterval(function(){v=['a','e','i','o','u'];post("M"+v[Math.floor(Mat‌h.random()*items.length)]+"rning")},22*60*1000);

Simon

@RоryMcCune Yeah I saw that, poor her.

JukEboX

@Adi lOL

I usually say hello as I get to my desk at work before something catches on fire

Simon

@kalina The last session will be on November 6th so mark your calendar.

Adi

@JukEboX and yes, I spent 3 minutes writing that

I had to test it :D

JukEboX

:P:P:

Rоry McCune

12:28

@Simon you'll need to put a picture up when it's done, not sure I've seen a Rainbow Dash tattoo before

inb4 pls

Simon

@RоryMcCune Haha. I'll post a picture tomorrow, there's still a protective layer on it.

Rоry McCune

@Simon I remember when I was a kid, I went to California for the summer and on the way back got one of those stick-on temprorary tattoos of a skull, then didn't mention it at all to my mum to see how she would react

she tried to play it cool but there was only so long I could keep up the joke without LOL'ing

Simon

@RоryMcCune Oh that's funny. What's funnier is that my tattoo is indeed a skull.

It is quite violent.

Rоry McCune

@Simon yeah but I'm guessing your one will be a wee bit better than the super dodgy stick on one

Simon

@RоryMcCune Oh yes, the artist is amazing.

I'm expecting my parents to react badly, oh well.

Rоry McCune

12:33

@Simon you can sort it. Get a really bad stick-on tattoo, put it on your forehead (under your hair). tell them you got a tattoo, show them the fake one, they freak out.. then say "nah that's fake" and wash it off, then they won't be as pissed about the real one:)

Simon

@RоryMcCune Haha, very good idea.

A face tattoo is definitely another level.

AviD

@Simon your face is another level

Rоry McCune

I see Apple have taken a leaf out of Microsoft's playbook on the update front

just annoy you into doing it

BlueBerry - Vignesh4303

@Adi :) i dont know how to answer for your question,what the fuck doesnt sound good :)

as you said the answer might be of low quality,i m still learning how to write a neat answer

Rory Alsop

@Adi yes. Timing is good- the royal charter will be exceptionally useful on a CV.

Simon

12:42

@AviD pls

BlueBerry - Vignesh4303

pls dont use terms like what the fuck which sometimes insults user :) thanks @Adi

Simon

-.-

Do people really expect this room to be full of fluffs?

Rоry McCune

Simon

@RоryMcCune Aaaawwww.

I want a bunny pillow, they're so soft.

My donut's bunny doesn't enjoy it when I try to sleep on it.

Rory Alsop

Did this get posted in here earlier?

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Q: Inviting Cryptography enthusiast to solve this puzzle

If you're interested in Cryptography, I posted a question on Puzzle SE involving a possible SHA1 hash, followed by some binary data, and as I doubt the majority of Puzzle SE members have expertise in encryption / binary puzzles, I figured an invitation to enthusiast here might be well received. ...

discussion

JukEboX

12:52

lOL @Simon

My BUnny doesn't enjoy people

Or that fact that I herd it back into it's cage with my remote control car

Terry Chia

@JukEboX And you wonder why it doesn't enjoy people.

Simon

lulz

JukEboX

lolo

AviD

13:04

@RoryAlsop we should have meta posts automatically here in a feed.. WDYT?

Simon

@AviD Why do you toto?

AviD

wat

Simon

What does WDYT mean?

M'vy

@Simon Which do you trust < it's a moderator popularity contest

Simon

o

M'vy

13:06

(And it was what do you think)

Simon

o

M'vy

Ok, @Simon finally lost it and only replies using an Ascii donut.

Simon

:D

🍩

Unicode donut is much better!

M'vy

@Simon holy c!!

Simon

It's pretty isn't it?

M'vy

13:09

It's not really my cup of tea

but I guess it's ok

Simon

o

Rоry McCune

@Simon just to point out that the "official" name of that symbol U+1F369 is DOUGHNUT :op

Simon

@RоryMcCune I know, I noticed the spelling error too!

Rоry McCune

@Simon on your text. well you know if you get there in 1 min or less you can correct that

Journeyman Geek

bunny?

Rоry McCune

13:14

or if you ask @RoryAlsop or @AviD very nicely, they could correct it for you..

Simon

@RоryMcCune ovid wouldn't do that, he's convinced that "doughnut" and "donut" are two different things.

@JourneymanGeek My donut's bunny is not here but I can forward the message if needed.

Rоry McCune

reddit.com/r/tifu/comments/3nxlk4/… < amusing story in which many people realise the meaning of "Netflix and Chill"

Journeyman Geek

Rоry McCune

:24585424 doughnut.. that's the correct spelling :P

M'vy

@RоryMcCune yeah yeah, my bad

Journeyman Geek

13:17

this fella and two others were hopping around the neighbourhood today ;p

M'vy

Sorry had to check again to be sure.

Rоry McCune

@M'vy I thought you'd been corrupted by the perfidious @AviD there

M'vy

@RоryMcCune No I'm just a silly French, you know...

AviD

@RоryMcCune heh, perfidious

you're right though, doughnut is the correct spelling. It's just the wrong type of pastry.

Simon

@JourneymanGeek That's cute!

Rоry McCune

13:19

@AviD how can it be the "wrong" type of pastry when it's a Unicode Character?

not notoriously patrylike

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: for a moment I thought it was an injured cat

Simon

@JourneymanGeek Because it walked funny?

AviD

@RоryMcCune because doughnuts are not as good as donuts!

Rоry McCune

@AviD it's ... a... unicode ... character...

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: yup, and I did not expect to see bunnies there

Rоry McCune

13:20

not foodstuff

Journeyman Geek

their human was smart enough to pick a time when there's no dogs around

AviD

@RоryMcCune AND DOES NOT TASTE AS GOOD AS A DONUT

Rоry McCune

@AviD what did you like 3d Print it or something?

AviD

pfft

Simon

@JourneymanGeek Oh, it's in a public park?

Rоry McCune

13:22

@JourneymanGeek we inadvertantly had to take our cat for a walk this morning. It found us when we were walking through the village, so we had to get him home past several dogs who were out for their morning walks..

Journeyman Geek

@Simon: its in a little patch of grass next to my apartment building

Simon

14:20

"Simon QQ y u not here QQ"

Then on the next damn day when I'm here, no one talks.

Rоry McCune

@Simon phhbt

I was fixing a weird windows networking problem

windows is really weird at the moment when it wants to apply updates, it seems to break random stuff

Simon

Weird and Windows in the same sentence? I cannot believe it!

Rоry McCune

so you'll reboot

@Simon Inorite incredible

defintely getting the vibe that testers will really need to stop using windows and mainstream browsers for security testing stuff soon

too many security features getting in the way :o)

Simon

Yeah like Chrome's XSS protection.

Rоry McCune

yeah I'm already using FFox as it's the most configurable

maybe FFox Dev Edition is the answer

Simon

14:29

I've never been a Firefox fan, I'd use Opera before FF.

Rоry McCune

@Simon I thought Opera was a zombie project these days

just chrome with a skin

Simon

Yeah I think it is.

CodesInChaos

Haven't found a decent browser since the demise of Opera.

Simon

Yeah I was using it in 2008 until 2011ish I believe.

kalina

pls I didn't miss Simon

what nonsense

Simon

14:33

That's not what roro said.

kalina

since when was @RоryMcCune intimately tuned to my needs and feelings

CodesInChaos

I only stopped using Opera a few months ago when I decided that the security risks of using an unmaintained browser are too high.

Simon

@kalina He's like the creator of The DMZ soap so of course he knows.

Rоry McCune

@kalina phhbt hardly requires in depth empathy to see that :op

Iszi

@RоryMcCune Never mind the automatic, black box updates that are becoming more and more non-optional.

Rоry McCune

14:34

@Iszi yeah that too

@kalina I mean heck you even resorted to talking to @Adi

CodesInChaos

@RоryMcCune I suspect that Microsoft fired their whole QA department.

Rоry McCune

@CodesInChaos Or turned them into DevOps people

kalina

meh

back to not being here

Rоry McCune

@kalina howcome?

Simon

See, that's how boring you lads are.

Rоry McCune

14:37

@Simon psst, you're including yourself there

Simon

She wanted to see unicorns and fluffy fluffs.

And you guys gave her Microsoft talks, tsk.

@RоryMcCune NO

CodesInChaos

I hope that gaming in a VM becomes easy to use soon. That's one of the main things holding me on windows.

Rоry McCune

@Simon is that a young person Euphamism?

@CodesInChaos yeah games + some concerns about hardware support are my main reasons for using Win 10 on home systems.

Simon

@CodesInChaos Wanna know how I've solved this issue? I stopped gaming and then moved to Linux/OS X.

CodesInChaos

In theory VM gaming works, but seems to be rather complicated to set up.

Simon

14:39

It works fine for older games that require a shitty GPU card.

Like Guild Wars.

CodesInChaos

It works even for modern games when you use PCI passthrough to transfer control of the GPU to the VM.

Simon

That sounds like a mess to setup.

Rоry McCune

@CodesInChaos I think a lot of it depends on the game. For less graphics intensive stuff, I don't think it's too bad, but for new/graphics heavy stuff, it seems not very usuable

although IIRC @AviD was looking at that

hmm it occurs that actually we shouldn't ping @AviD too much today

as @AviD is working hard on prep. for AppSecIL

isn't that right @AviD ?

Simon

@AviDovid

AviD

WHY YOU PINGING MEEEEEE

I KEEEEL YOUUUUU

CodesInChaos

14:41

PCI/VGA pass through should enable VM gaming with <10% performance loss.

Simon

lololol

@CodesInChaos That's quite good.

Rоry McCune

@AviD @CodesInChaos wanted your expert opinion on PCI passthrough on VMs for gaming

hey @kalina you'll know about that kind of thing too surely

CodesInChaos

But there are complications, like nvidia's drivers containing VM detection (buy the 10x more expensive professional card), PCI resets not working properly with some cards,...

AviD

@CodesInChaos yeah, real quick - using Hyper/V + vGPU, it is very playable, even at relatively high resolutions (but medium framerates). The big problem is, surprisingly, mouse support.

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos Theoretically. But it hinges on how well proprietary drivers and undocumented hardware will react with the Linux kernel...

Simon

14:42

@AviD I've witnessed that with VMware, couldn't setup my mouse with a decent acceleration setting.

AviD

@ThomasPornin who said anything about needing a linux kernel? he is talking about GAMES

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin I was talking about using a thin hyperviser like xen together with a windows VM.

Simon

I feel like you guys are gonna get rekt by da bear.

CodesInChaos

There are people who reported that they managed to get that to work, but it sounded too tricky for me.

Rоry McCune

btw @kalina did @Simon tell you he's getting a Rainbow Dash Tattoo?

AviD

14:45

@CodesInChaos ah didnt see that part

Simon

@RоryMcCune Oh how she's gonna be disappointed.

Rоry McCune

@Simon not if you never actually show her the tattoo....

Thomas Pornin

@CodesInChaos With Xen, one of the guest systems is "special" in that it is the one that actually handles the hardware (this is usually a Linux).

Simon

@RоryMcCune Imagine if it was a ween tattoo.

CodesInChaos

@ThomasPornin Apparently there is a way to block it from using one GPU and then assign that GPU exclusively to another (windows) VM.

You could use the integrated intel CPU for desktop composition and the dedicated GPU for gaming.

Simon

14:49

What about using Bootcamp on OS X?

Rоry McCune

@Simon that would seem ill-advised in terms of future employability (apart from certain very select organisations)

Simon

@RоryMcCune No, no, I mean a tattoo on my ween!

AviD

that would have to be a small tattoo.

Simon

I wouldn't expect my employers to ever see it.

@AviD pls

Rоry McCune

@Simon ahh that would seem like an amazingly painful thing to contemplate

AviD

14:50

@Simon what kind of job do you have???

Simon

@AviD ??????

Your job requires you to show them their ween?

AviD

@RоryMcCune pls, its the only way he can get somebody to handle it for him.

@Simon doesnt yours??

Simon

@AviD No, my job is not located in a pyramid.

AviD

okay, enough funtime picking on @Simon, back to work....

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