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@AviD that's good, good
Voted on 599 question so far and all new 40 votes left for the day :) yay! I can start reading slower now hehe
So I just learned from PaulDotCom that the dude who's making the Defcon documentary, Code 2600, is a student here.
whoa get yourself into cast!!
They've already released screeners and it's already won awards.
I'm sure @Adnan will appreciate your beauty :P
oh then defcon - the documentary 2.0
Of course, during the interview Paul said that he taught here, but he's listed as a student, not a faculty. I also figure it would be inappropriate to look him up in our SIS.
00:07
Any links to trailers?
@ScottPack oh btw, forgot to mention... those burgers... neah they didn't come out that good. I'll try your suggestion next time rather
Trust in the Scott. The Scott is good.
by the way, if any of you are Android hardware / kernel ultra-nerds, please take a look at this:
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Q: Vibration stopped working on Galaxy S2

PolynomialI can't work out why, but it seems the vibrate and haptic feedback functionality on my SGS2 stopped working recently. I've checked all the settings, and they all show as enabled. I've tried using *#0*# and *#0842# test codes to run the vibrate functionality, but they have no effect either. I'm ru...

@Polynomial Obligatory "Have you tried turning it off and back on again?"
00:20
@TerryChia This has been a problem for about 2 weeks now.
but I'll add a note on there stating as such.
@Polynomial heh. i'm just kidding you know.. :D
I know, but otherwise someone will say "ok, you've done all the complicated shit, but did you consider just turning it off and on again?"
@TildalWave That's what I mentioned in my question.
and bitch please, if you're gonna link codes, do it right! sghi777.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/…
@Polynomial well I've missed that. My guess would be burnt motor or even more possibly one of the wires detached when you pulled your headphones plug out, it's all next to it: youtube.com/watch?v=3JA3PXNYjJM (how about this link, smeg or not?) hehe
WAT. that fixed it O_o
@Polynomial apology accepted :P
@TildalWave Indeed. That's a fucking ridiculous issue.
00:52
@Polynomial next time get an iPhone and it'll be a feature
@TildalWave I'm insulted.
@TerryChia huh why?
@TildalWave I actually like iPhones. :P
@TerryChia they're just phones man, I don't like any
01:16
Just like @Lucas it's just a tool.
@D3C4FF that'd work if the console wasn't a slow piece of shit
MSF is a slow piece of shit... Unless your running FOKKING HARDCORE RIGS :D
So in summary. I don't really notice
^_^
@D3C4FF ??? It works fine in my Kali/BT vm running on my slow ass old Macbook Air.
Startup I'd the worst. Lots of indexing.
01:30
@TerryChia Do you have it load all the services at startup/in the background?
Cause i disable everything and only initialize when needed, which takes ages...
And don't even get me started on the piece of shit that is Nexpose...
What's a good place to go to get binaries to reverse engineer other than crackmes.de
@D3C4FF thanks for the writeup ;)
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A: Plaid CTF April 2013 delayed for one hour

D3C4FFWe did alright! Finishing 78 out of 898 competing teams! We successfully solved 4 of the challenges presented: 'Compression' - Solved by Gilles A crypto challenge We managed to get the source code for an encryption service running at 54.234.224.216:4433. Download Solution Details require...

01:54
@d3c4ff I think my favorite is when their salespeople call you an idiot for not buying their product. Then ask to speak to your manager to report your incompetence.
@ScottPack @D3C4FF That's why I'm sticking with 3.7.2, no bullshit
02:13
I can't justify spurning Moore just because his employers have supported pretty douchey sales practices.
 
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06:37
Sup @TerryChia
@D3C4FF hai
@TerryChia whats happening?
@D3C4FF Doing assignments for school, rewriting my GSoC proposal. Boring stuff.
GSoC proposal?
@D3C4FF Google Summer of Code.
06:46
Ah gotcha
@TerryChia what is your proposal about?
@AviD Porting the PHP RBAC project OWASP has over to python.
@TerryChia PHP RBAC? not familiar. looking it up...
hmm, interesting.
are ports and rewrites fair game for gsoc? thought they want new stuff...
@TerryChia yeah, found it. Bing is faaaast ;-)
06:55
@AviD It's on the ideas list on the OWASP page.
ah, cool cool.
so @TerryChia, know anything about OC'ing a GPU?
@AviD Nothing beyond sliding the dial on the software.
@TerryChia heh. well, dialS.
should OC the gpu clock seperately from the memory, right?
@AviD I think so. But very careful how far you push.
I think the heat from OC-ed GPUs is insane without LC.
yeah, small steps.
what do you use for gpu stress? obviously prime95 wouldnt work.
07:03
@AviD Furmark.
@D3C4FF is here, so ask him.
He is the OC pro after all.
@TerryChia isnt that benchmark, not stress?
@TerryChia ooh good, didnt notice!
@AviD I use it as a stability test.
ping @D3C4FF re GPU OC...
@AviD sup :D
@D3C4FF any special tips on that? I've never oc'd gpu before.
(I may not have done a lot of cpu oc, but at least it wasnt completely new to me. not the case with gpu...)
07:07
Same principal applies
keep heat low, keep voltage down, as a result, keep fans up high
what make/model GPU you got?
Geforce GTX 650. on a Zotac 2GB card.
650 or 650 Ti?
650
Aiight. That's a smallish looking card
Stock cooler?
nothing to special. midrange-ish.
@D3C4FF yup.
I admit I was disappointed at the framerates I was seeing on 3dmark.
dont know how representative that is, but I did expect better.
07:12
@AviD What are you using to overclock?
zotac has a tool, think its called firestorm.
pretty basic, allows you to change the clock/memory/voltage.
Chuck us a screenshot?
of the tool?
wrong machine... hang on...
Yeah
07:15
Cool, gimme a sec
think a different tool is better?
@AviD Yeah, @D3C4FF wants a screenshot of your tool. ;)
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@AviD Nah, that's got whatcha need. Also grab GPU-z
heh
@D3C4FF yup, already have that
@AviD THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID!
07:16
facepalm @TerryChia
ehh. good try though.
@Avid, pretty simple compared to CPU. Up the GPU clock, then the memory clock until its unstable, then increase the VDDC.
@D3C4FF heh, yeah, figured. what ranges should I expect as sane?
@AviD Is your card factory overclocked?
07:19
@AviD whats the GPU clock, Memory clock and VDDC set at now?
dont think so. not per se, though apparently zotac does run their cards a bit above reference.
@Poly - that is amazing
@AviD Well, yeah that's factory overclocked.
@TerryChia oh, some of their higher end cards are really overclocked though.
@D3C4FF gpu = 1071mhz, mem = 1250 mhz, vddc = 1062 mv.
hang on, something I'm not clear about...
"Effective memory clock" = 5000mhz, not 1250. what is the difference?
DDR = double data rate
Try 1150mhz GPU and mem at 1350mhz
leave voltage
run the fan at 100%
07:24
ah, ok - so this refers to the actual clock vs usable clockish.
yeah
and stress test using something like MSI Kombustor
@D3C4FF Man, that will be freaking loud.
@TerryChia yeah, the older cards were worse. Replacing mine with a 6 fan WC rig is quieter than running 2x the GPU fans -_-
@D3C4FF so then how come it goes x4?
@AviD Where are you getting the values from?
07:25
@D3C4FF I feel uncomfortable with my fans at 65% even.
@D3C4FF the firestorm.
cpuz reports it at 2500, gpuz at 1250.
On that site i only see one field for speed
were are ayou getting the 5k from?
there is a setting "show effective memory clock"
That MIGHT be showing 2x 1GB sticks of memory each running at 2500mhz thus totalling 5000mhz of bandwidth...
how hot is too hot? around 100C?
with stock cooler...
@D3C4FF ahh yeah that makes sense, sorta, since I think its "natively" 1gb and the 2gb is added.
07:28
@AviD from memory, my GPU could get upto 110 deg stock without issues. I think it was rated for 120. But check the specs of the card. it should show up somewhere.
so should I be oc'ing based on the effective or the actual clocks?
Actual clocks.
whatever it is that GPUz reports
cool. and for stress - you recommended an msi tool?
Yeah
works well and shows temp graphs
@D3C4FF 1. how high should I push the voltage?
07:33
@D3C4FF Really? I get worried whenever my card hits 80-90.
okay, @D3C4FF a last handful of q's, and I'll leave you alone ;-)
@D3C4FF 2. any correlation between base clock and mem clock? which is more "important"?
@D3C4FF 3. any relevant bios settings, that I should be changing?
@D3C4FF 4. do I need to reboot in between, or are settings immediate?
@AviD lol no stress, keep em coming :P
@D3C4FF 5. what do you use for comparative benchmarks, is 3dmark not good enough?
answer any time, no pressure :-)
@AviD Base clock is more important. GPU freq. Mem is to 'catch up' to it.
@AviD Nothing to do with the BIOS. Yay! userland!
@D3C4FF yay!
07:39
@AviD Should be instantaneous unless your flashing your card or making hardware mods :P
@AviD Kombustor should do that more or less for you.
oh yeah? cool!
8 mins ago, by AviD
@D3C4FF 1. how high should I push the voltage?
missed one ;-)
@D3C4FF so should I aim for them to be multiples of each other? or is that irrelevant?
@AviD i've just read that at 70 deg c there's onboard thermal throttleing
:/
ah urggh.
So you're aiming to keep your card below that
so I dont need to worry about burning it out, but keep it under that anyway.
07:46
Ideally yeah
08:22
Morning all.. in case people haven't seen it, interesting post on the complications of moving stack exchange to SSL everywhere. nickcraver.com/blog/2013/04/23/…
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@RoryMcCune I saw Jeff retweet that webmasters.SE question.
It's good to know they are moving oever to full SSL eventually.
@RoryMcCune For some reason I'd never come across Nick's blog before. I've been thoroughly engrossed all morning.
I've already sent two of his blogs to my dev team.
It's interesting, in that some of the implementation issues aren't what I'd have expected as problems (the bit about meta.*.stackexchange.com as a problem)
@Ladadadada yeah I expect I'll go read some more now I've found it :) also on a train all morning so I have some time..
I've been looking at implementing SSL where I work for ages but we have two or three extra confounding factors.
We didn't have the foresight to bring all external content into our own CDN, so we have years of hotlinked images and videos and mp3s that can probably never be converted to SSL.
We allow site owners to add their own HTML.
@AviD sorry dude, i got caught up. I'll have to get back to you another time!
08:31
And we support owners pointing custom domains at our servers. SSL on custom domains gets even tricker.
@D3C4FF sure, thanks a ton!
@Ladadadada yeah that is a tricky set of issues to be sure!
08:45
@ScottPack or any other sysadmins around here. Postfix vs sendmail - which do you prefer?
Which has an easier configuration?
@TerryChia Whilst I've not used them recently i'd say postfix over sendmail every time. Postfix is relatively straightforward to configure and sendmail can be a nightmare :)
@RoryMcCune Roger. :)
09:35
@TerryChia I'm not a sysadmin, but I second what @RoryM said. Postfix I can configure pretty quickly. Sendmail? Toohard.
I run postfix as my smtpd.
Alright :D It's a school assignment so ease of configuration is the most important.
I'll go with postfix.
Voila.
Change the values you need for your specific case and you're done! :)
@AntonyVennard Damn ubuntu. But thanks. :P
@TerryChia Can't fault that guide - and it applies to any linux distro pretty much, so, it's all good.
Well, okay, it might not be apt-get, but hey.
 
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11:01
weird, even if i do a normal shutdown, my xp partition still contains a 1.5GB pagefile.sys when mounted from debian. should that not only be the case when i hibernate?
@lynks I think it acts like a swap partition - it stays allocated. I'm not 100% on that, but I'm pretty sure that's the case.
I believe it can be configured, too.
the hibernation file is hiberfil.sys
@AntonyVennard ahh ok, so there is no cleanup on shutdown. thats a little scary...
@lynks I don't know if there's no cleanup - I mean it wouldn't be too hard to zero the file out - but I don't think the file is deleted or resized.
@AntonyVennard rgr
Has to google rgr... OH! Roger! 10-4 that!
11:16
@AntonyVennard googling 10-4...
@AviD Googling google... BOOM.
searching for definition of "googling"...
heh, you ninja'd me on my own comment.
@AntonyVennard you could bing it.
@AviD Bing? What's that?
@AviD Hahaa brilliant. I assume that's all about facebook "you may not copy my stuff" posted by muppets on their walls...
11:46
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Q: How do I make SQL injection harder but not impossible?

shaunI'm doing a CTF application for my final year project. I wanted to craft a SQL injection flag but I don't wish that they can simply found out the SQLi vulnerability by injecting ' . Hence, is there way to make SQL injection harder but not impossible using PHP?

This really isn't on topic is it?
@TerryChia I can't think of a single, correct answer to that. Or rather, I can think of a dozen correct answers.
12:05
@TerryChia Sendmail is the old standard. It's not an easy config file, the config file has a fucking compiler for Rory's sake!
12:18
@TerryChia meh, just point them towards blind SQLI or something
@lynks just did.
@Polynomial I saw a nice SQLI somewhere that involved two form fields, and putting in an open comment ( \* ) in the first, and a close comment in the second, to bypass some logic that sat between the two.
12:35
@lynks that's too easy imo, but I just had one answer like that... not sure if OP got it tho, but since he was disclosing live websites he doesn't own in now deleted comments, I felt I need to wrap it in a (see-through) candy wrapper. ("My God, It's full of stars!" LOL)
In the novel, the quote is even better: "The thing's hollow! It goes on forever, and... oh My God, it's full of stars!"
@TildalWave there was a lot more to it than that, but the keystone was the block comments.
which i thought was pretty nice :P
@TildalWave +1 for a shiny silver badge. ;)
Well, if you answered before the other guy.
@TerryChia hey cheers! I got me my first gold badge earlier today too :) It's a stellar day - me happy :)
@TildalWave Nice, have not got the electorate yet. Can't bother putting in the effort.
It will happen eventually.
I'm 3 days away from my first yearling badge. :)
@TerryChia The OP was clearly after exploiting it, not sanitizing it... The looong discussion in the comments would show that, but I pointed @RoryAlsop to some OP's comments that were later deleted. Better that they were too IMO.
12:43
Holy shit, I forgot about Machinae Supremacy!
awesome band. gamer chipmetal ftw.
last time I heard Machinae was back in '06, on EVE-Radio
@TerryChia How close are you to the Marshal badge?
@TildalWave 137/500. Kinda hard to get that once you get close vote privileges.
yea indeed, I remember I had that issue on SF as well
took me well long to obtain it
@TerryChia oh yeah just realized nobody got it yet :)
It's kind of hard with all these spam mitigation techniques to get the badge!
maybe we should just allow anonymous users to comment for a week or 2
12:50
@Polynomial I miss EvE
@LucasKauffman Meta post me thinks. ;)
@lynks I miss it periodically, but whenever I play it I quickly remember why I left. too much grind in slow ships.
@Polynomial im tempted to go on and fly all my ships into rubble. i had a lowsec pvp char with a jaguar that I was too terrified to risk. it would be nice to take that out in anger :P
@lynks I've got a Raven with >2bil worth of kit. I am very paranoid about it :D
Bloody hell I "visited: 88 days, 88 consecutive" already :S
12:54
then a couple of HACs, couple of T2 frigs
@TildalWave 333/333
some major hauler ships too. got a freighter.
This site is addictive...
The only reason I have breaks in my 18 month visit history is that I had a choice between Sec.SE and sex.
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@TerryChia wow!!! is there any badge for being on a site all year long? because it should be... like a diamond one, gold wouldn't cut it
12:55
@TildalWave There's a gold badge for 100 consecutive days, and a silver(?) badge for yearling.
@Polynomial What? You didn't choose Sec.SE? PFFFFT!
@Polynomial correct.
That 100 consecutive days one should be awarded multiple times. :(
@TerryChia I chose to go on Sec.SE after sex, which still meant breaking the day barrier a few times.
the weekends often get me, im usually away
@Polynomial She makes you choose between the two? Can't you do it on the go? :P
@TildalWave Laptop on the back? :P
12:57
@Polynomial You just need a smartphone.
I'd be lying if I said I hadn't considered it.
Hell, you could use cron. :P
smartphones are difficult to use when "the biz" is in progress.
hands are often required elsewhere
@Polynomial Google Glass me thinks. ;)
@Polynomial ... (neah, I deleted my intended reply two times already)
Let's just say there's other ways ;)
12:59
@TerryChia Google Glass would be good for recording, but I can't see myself getting any code written on it!
@TerryChia yeah, would it be really cheap of me to cron a curl request for the homepage with my auth cookie, just to get the gold badge?
@Polynomial haven't you seen a QR code keyboards before? she could even wear one :)
@TildalWave hahahah!
@Polynomial We need that in the Community Ads page.
@Polynomial does that count as double time?
13:01
@TerryChia Probably not community-friendly ;)
@TildalWave If I could get paid for that, I'd die a happy and exhausted man.
@Polynomial Sounds like you need to be a gigolo.
@TerryChia Gigolos tend not to moonlight as penetration testers.
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The inverse may well be more common than we realise, though.
wait you mean to tell me that penetration testing means something else than... penetration testing?
ah so that's why there's the tag
do you pentesters get any strange looks sometimes when asked about your work by non IT folks?
Would this be an acceptable question: Is there such a thing as double penetration testing?
@TildalWave haha, if you can fit a question around that, it'll be a reptrain
@TildalWave yes. the other day I had a group of friends laugh for a solid 10 minutes about my job title.
they wanted photos as proof huh?
13:12
and when I told one of my less-bright friends, she thought that my job involved sitting in a Sharpie / Biro factory and testing all the clicky-tops.
or managing the IT systems for automated testing equipment for pens
ballpoint penetration testing and soft tip penetration testing
@TerryChia I don't really have a whole lot of experience with Postfix to form a good opinion. Sendmail has the time advantage. If you want to do something you can find the examples on how to do it. Postfix is probably the best bet for that.
@TerryChia I think postfix is the default mailer for the newer RHELs.
@Polynomial Do you also test pencils?
And what about crayons? My, if you test those as well pen testing really would be a very diverse role!
13:17
@AntonyVennard crayons requires an additional SANS certificate
@Polynomial i just go balls-out clicking on compromised links.
@LucasKauffman Aaaah!
@ScottPack Roger. :)
@TerryChia I think the most complicated mailer setup I've done, though, is to do authentication against a SMARTHOST.
@TerryChia 10-4!
Woah, okay, I googled 10-4 and a calculator popped up.
13:32
@AntonyVennard i use google calculator quite often :P
13:46
Same here. I use it almost exclusively as my unit converter.
@RoryMcCune That Craver blog post was good. Thanks for that. I agree that the metas are a problem, but I would argue that cert generation is less of a problem. It depends entirely on how they do their certs.
@ScottPack Wasn't me. It was @RoryMcCune.
frak
I can go from CSR generation to signed cert in as little as 15 minute. Worst case I submit the signing request at the close of business and the signed cert is ready for me when I wake up.
It entirely depends on who you go with as your certificate vendor and what options they have.
14:19
@TildalWave I appreciate all kinds of booty.
Beauty. I meant beauty.
14:46
Second language problems I'm sure. :)
@ScottPack What's your 2nd language?
On a different topic, every time my RFID takes a couple of seconds to open the door I quickly think "Oh shit! They found out about the thing and they fired me"
@Adnan The thing. What thing?
@TerryChia Nice try, them!
15:14
@lynks Too bad you can't downvote comments.
@Adnan its something ive been told many, many times.
I love laying down the 5th close vote. Makes me feel mod-like.
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@TerryChia :( I hate you, but I'll give you star anyway.
@Adnan if you disagree, feel free to say so.
15:21
@lynks I'm writing a reply, it's just not easy to come up with the correct words
@Adnan i know you struggle with words sometimes
@lynks Two reasons: A- Lack of intelligence, B- Second language
@Adnan haha i know, your second language is far better than mine so you're ahead of me already.
@lynks Being a developer can have a career path. It depends on what you want to achieve with your life. Your experience will grow and you'll go through software architecture, software engineering. I personally wouldn't call someone like Jon Skeet a person without a career.
@lynks Don't get me wrong, I don't think I'll ever take that path (the developer's path) but just because I don't like it doesn't mean I'm gonna look-down on it.
(I'll check this conversation later, now I have to run)
See you all
There are actually a lot of people who follow a "developer career". Not a career in a given discipline which involves development at some point, but just "developers". Ultimately, this makes for the overwhelming quantity of poor code which can be observed everywhere in the field.
15:28
@Adnan absolutely, but I think that it is becoming less true. 'developer' is certainly still a job title, but what i was trying to point out was that 'writing code' is (very slowly) becoming a 'basic IT requirement' and less a 'specialty'
at least in our world, whatever that means.
@lynks Well, there is a big difference in writing code and writing applications.
Sure, a sysadmin should know how to write some scripts, but he does not need to know those pesky details like unit testing and such.
@TerryChia ahh yes, and yet another big difference between an application, and one that is easy to maintain/extend/alter/document :P
certainly, a good developer is worth their weight in gold, particularly in the long run.
@lynks Yup.
I can throw together a few hundred lines of code to do a certain task, but I wouldn't call myself a developer.
@TerryChia I'm much the same, as far as I am concerned our company Trello account counts as 'documentation'
15:50
@Adnan English. I grew up on Bad English.
16:03
@lynks I disagree. Having a basic understanding of programming or being able to dabble with code is to being a career developer what being able to to slap a band-aid on a cut or knowing how to dispense aspirin is to being a physician. @Adnan's reference to Jon Skeet is one example of a career developer, and Raymond Chen would be another. blogs.msdn.com/b/oldnewthing His level of expertise is, I would say, quite worthy of aspiring to attain.
@lynks I would disagree with that in most cases. There's a big difference between being able to code an application and being able to write a piece of code.
@ScottPack yeah thats pretty much where we arrived at.
@lynks What? You expect me to read the transcript? N00b
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A: my_real_escape_string not escaping all types of ”

PolynomialYup. Never rely on black-listing mechanisms like that for safety. It's broken, and can result in some interesting SQL injections: $query = "SELECT id, title, body FROM posts WHERE id = " . mysql_real_escape_string($_GET['id']); This can still be injected: 1 OR 1=1 Resulting in: SELECT id, ...

can I get some support on this comment thread please?
the guy is clearly not versed in security, but still pushes his incorrect views
@ScottPack :P I think my point is something along the lines of "if i was looking at applicants for <insert technical but non-development job here> I would still count some development skill as an important part of the job. People who can write scripts and tools tend to get things done faster.
Take the example of a receptionist I once knew who accidentally copy-pasted every file in a large directory, yielding copies all appended with "(1)". he was deleting each one in turn, and there were hundreds.
16:16
@lynks I would take development skills into account, but I wouldn't hire someone with a majority experience in development as a Network or a Systems Admin without them convincing me they can do the admin skills.
Certain aspects of the skillset are complimentary, but they are different skillsets.
Similarly, I would probably value admin experience in a developer. Primarily because, eventually, the code they write is going to have to be handed off for someone to run.
@ScottPack yep, complementary skill sets are always great
@lynks Well, I guess the others have pretty much covered all of the points I had in mind.
@Polynomial actually, was suspended for 1 year. Only recently (a couple of months ago) the suspension was lifted.
I've had far too many conversations with developers who don't seem to understand what the terms "packaging" "documentation" or "unattended startup" means. Similarly, I've talked to far too many admin types who can't do anything unless it's written out step by step with exact command line options specified.
@Polynomial Mainly for being rude and insulting.
@Adnan heh
well don't do that then
16:24
@Polynomial hahahaha You're advocating fixing the "I can't eat soup with a knife" problem by using a fork, instead of just switching to a spoon. – Polynomial
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@Polynomial OOps.. there's no "I". I was talking about that guy's account. "Your Commonsense"
@Polynomial I think that is the most fantastic thing you've ever said.
I actually agree with his latest comment. Only that comment.
@Polynomial Also, congrats for hitting 10K!!
I didn't realise I was close to it actually. I thought I had 8.3k, then suddenly I had 10,000 exactly and thought "wtf? glitch?"
I don't tend to hang on SO anyway. Sec.SE is sec.se enough for me.
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right, off to DC4420, laters all :3
16:34
@Polynomial Good luck
16:46
"To update windows you must first install an update for windows update." what the ?
@LucasKauffman Well, that makes sense
The updating is done with a tool
@LucasKauffman dooooooom
That tool may itself require to be updated
You can be glad they though to do it automatically
It's turtles all the way down
16:47
cause many devs forget this, then release a standalone patch to patch the patcher
@LucasKauffman xkcd.com/1197
@LucasKauffman specifically the mouseover text
ok / download :P
@M'vy That one is actually an older joke, which was against Mac OS (before OS X)
It was a popup: "Warning: you are about to format a system disk." with buttons: Ok / Absolutely
Oh? seems I'm too young for that ****
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