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11:50 AM

@Susan I wouldn't know why someone, as a comment left for me, might leave simply a portion of another person's answer. Maybe you can help me. It comes from a Dick Harfield answer, but it’s only a small part of that.
Maybe you’re aware of it, but the part sent to me was…“Many people think the Genesis ages are chosen to be numbers that people could easily remember, and some are.” Well, I agree with that.
I then looked at the answer that is part of, and I immediately saw mistakes in the 2nd paragraph.

Susan

12:15 PM

@JohnMartin I'm not seeing any such comment, deleted or otherwise. You're indicating that it was left on your question? Dick's answer itself should have shown up in your inbox, and that's the only recent activity I see anywhere in that Q&A. Is that what you're seeing?

As for the factual questions, I think your argument is with Dick's answer, right? If you'd like to talk with him about it, asking him to chat would probably be the best idea. I can't do much else about "wrong."

John Martin

@Susan I'm saying the comment was left on Dick's answer (the first line in grey). I'm not really arguing, but just sharing some facts.

Jack Douglas

@JohnMartin that's not a comment, it's part of the answer

Susan

@JohnMartin Sorry, I still don't get it. There are no comments there.

(The grey box is actually part of the answer quoting the question, right?)

Jack Douglas

John Martin

@Susan The first line that was in grey came as a comment to my Inbox. No one signed off.

Susan

12:24 PM

@JohnMartin I think it came to your inbox because it's an answer to your question....

Jack Douglas

@JohnMartin it just showed the first part of the question in your inbox - it does that to keep the notification short

John Martin

@JackDouglas Yes. I'm used to that. I thought incorrectly I guess.

Susan

:19549346 But I think Dick Harfield is the person you want to talk to ("argue" or not ;-)). You can leave a comment on his answer if you'd like, but if you want extended discussion please take it to chat.

Jack Douglas

@JohnMartin don't worry!

John Martin

@Susan Ok. You've helped me before and you come to the library, so I thought I'd leave you the message.

Whatever. ;-)

Anyone have a Q for a Catholic since I'm here?

Susan

12:27 PM

@JohnMartin Happy to help if I could, but I don't know anything to do other than comment to Dick....sorry, I'm confused.

John Martin

@Susan Then that means that both of us are/were.

Susan

@JohnMartin :-)

John Martin

What is a key Q anyone has for a Catholic?

My thinking of Mary in an odd way?

Susan

@JohnMartin I'm going to have to defer that one to @JackDouglas since I have to run. Talk to you later!

John Martin

Here we go with Mary. I see her in Rev 12 without question. She's only a human like the rest of us...

At the same time she is Jesus' mother and was chosen to be....

When I pray to her it's nothing like I do in praying to God. I ask that she simply intercede....

Do me a favor. Say a prayer in your son's ear for me. You had a lot of influence on him while here. You have the same now.

@JackDouglas You're here, yes. However, this about Catholics is for anyone reading.

Maybe we should save these messages from me or place them in mega. Just let me know...anyone. ;-)

Jack Douglas

12:33 PM

The key worldview question from my perspective is whether or not scripture is a higher authority than tradition

John Martin

Excellent point. Here's something I can say. What people have thought for years I often question. ...As to why someone wrote it like that. I see it as something God indirectly wrote. He's the one "talking".

Anyone: Just something about Gen 7:11 and other things like it in Genesis. The 600th year of Noah's life at the start of the Flood? He's 598 years old.

Jack Douglas

@JohnMartin I'm not sure I understand, what is "it", scripture or written tradition?

John Martin

@JackDouglas I'm sorry. Some people believe things were written in Scripture by a a bunch of humans and that God had no influence on them. Let me give you or anyone another subject.

Regarding Noah being in his 600th year of life when the flood began? He was only 598 years old. Jack, you may have accepted that but others don't. Anyway from the 600th year of life, we need to deduct two things from a 600th. The years that have gone by = only 599. Then we need to deduct 9 months

That's what takes his "years old" back to 598 at the time the Flood began.

@JackDouglas Enough of that re: Noah's ages during the Flood, beyond the fact they're being mis-read.

Anyone reading...Did you ever realize that the total number of parental years in Genesis = 9,999?

That's with that one gal, Sarah, and 3 for Jesus.

As for those after the flood counted in the same way? That happens to be only 3,333.

Anyway...I found that "interesting"...but I don't believe much in coincidence.

@JackDouglas I should go. Take care!

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John Martin

2:11 PM

@JackDouglas Jack, I’m always able to contact you here in the Library so I’ll give you this. I’m only one Catholic, who’s not a teacher, but several Users here are interested in Catholic beliefs. I’ve only been asked a few questions about my Catholicism (e.g. you’ve asked me some). Others just haven’t asked theirs.
Frankly, I believe that 95% of what Catholics believe, non-Catholic Christians believe. We have so much in common. What we don’t necessarily agree about?... I call those secondary beliefs. I think that rarely can we prove the other wrong or right on those.

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Paul Vargas

4:18 PM

@JohnMartin Two articles that might interest you: How Old Was Isaac When Abraham Was Told to Offer Him? and How OLD was Isaac when Abraham tried to sacrifice him?.

John Martin

5:08 PM

@PaulVargas My friend, thank you for those 2 articles.

Paul Vargas

5:25 PM

@JohnMartin You're welcome. :)

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Mr. Bultitude

6:40 PM

Can anyone give me a good read about how reliable Hebrew vowel points are?

For a total layman.

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Davïd

7:47 PM

@Mr.Bultitude Might have a hard time finding something pitched at the right level. This is technical, but came at a turning point when the traditions recorded in the pointing were being given much greater (scholarly) respect than early 20th C.: S. Morag, "On the Historical Validity of the Vocalization of the Hebrew Bible" Journal of the American Oriental Society 94 (1974): 307-315. Hope it helps.

Davïd

8:21 PM

@Mr.Bultitude Bringing things right up to date, three articles by Geoffrey Khan, one of the finest Semitists on the planet: (1) "Biblical Hebrew, Pronunciation Traditions"; (2) "Tiberian Reading Tradition"; and (3) "Biblical Hebrew, Linguistic Background of the Masoretic Text", all from the Encyclopedia of Hebrew Language and Linguistics‌. Authoritative. :)

Paul Vargas

8:45 PM

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Q: How does the reader of Isaiah and Daniel reconcile these end-time prophecies?

I am reading about the Lord's judgement against Edom in an end-time prophecy written in the book of Isaiah (niv), and the prophecy appears to be speaking about a great destruction in Edom.Isaiah 34. I am also reading an end-time prophecy in the book of Daniel which has a reference to Edom which ...